Why Is Microsoft Office So Expensive?
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Office suites are software we tend to take for granted. Why does Microsoft charge so much for Office and for Microsoft 365?
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If they sold permanent licenses for a reasonable price I would have bought it. Instead I sailed the seven seas with Captain Jack Sparrow.
I see what you did there
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"WHERE'S THE RUM GONE?!?!"
even the "permanent" licenses they sell get deprecated every few years and they make you buy it again anyway.
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Those prices are crazy. When I was a student in 2008 I got 2x office 2007 licenses (included all the apps) for like $60 each as a student. Since I've no reason to upgrade, that's the version I keep using.
I am a student in 2023, I got 4 years of license for 0 bucks
Also, in 2007 mid size car was 15-18K, but now is 25K.
But you don't have xlookup.....
Is that the Home & Student Edition (which have a non-commercial license)?
Pirated. For freeeeeeee 😂
150$ expensive?
CAD programs: let me introduce myself
Lol, you seriously wanna compare office tools to CAD? People actually build stuff with CAD.
@@michalsvihla1403 Yeah, because office work is done for free lol
And guess what, the ones that use CADs ain't getting paid much more
Adobe has entered the chat.
@michalsvihla1403 businesses run on Office products though
@@MrRinre Yeah, but the need for precision, reliability and performance, and the overall toolset between CAD software and office tools is a tiny bit different.
Excel might be a big reason actually. Google sheets is great, amazing in fact, but when it comes to more advanced usage especially for finance, legal, even scientific it does not hold a candle to Excel. Excel is also somehow way more flexible and powerful in the data processing aspect, there are a lot of things you can just do with it that you just cant in Google sheets (or any FOSS office suite). You want Advanced Data Analysis Features? Excel. You care about Robust Formula and Function Options? Excel. You care about more than the absolute basic Data visualization capabilities? Excel. You want to be able to handle data sets that are quite large (without a DB)? Excel. You want to be able to utilize Customization and Scripting or some automation? Excel
I use Excel 2010 at work for writing and sending reports. There's definitely a big difference between Sheets and Excel, and they don't like each other, the formatting always gets screwy when you open the files in the opposite program.
@@hedgeearthridge6807 It's the same for all the alternative. The claimed compatibility works only for the word count. Some fonts are not supported, formatting is always screwed up and when it comes to Excel clones, they simply just don't support formulas that are a bit elaborated. And I'm talking only about what an user a slightly above average can do. Not even advanced or power users. I mostly use Office. But depending on who I have to send my files to, I do use Libre Office and Docs. Just to avoid troubleshootings.
For everything else there's Mastercard 😂
Slides doesn't come anywhere near PowerPoint
Wps office is mostly same enough
MS office has been pretty much a monopoly since forever. It was actually a part of our Computer Science school curriculum in 5th grade.
Not completely true. In the old days of DOS and Windows 3.1, WordPerfect had a huge market share.
You had Computer Science in 5th grade? Our schools didn't have anything like that when I was in that grade in around 2007.
@@JJFlores197yeah it’s usually basic things like scratch or doing computer functions like copy and paste
@@JJFlores197 we had it since 4th grade (2008), but it was all basic stuff until the 7th grade when we finally learned about programming languages and were introduced to C.
@@renevanhove1066 I see I see. I wasn't born back then, so my experience was different growing up.
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Hush boy, lest the secret spill
Why use KMS when HWID and Ohook are so much better?
There are a couple expansions on the reasons for why office is preferred in the office that Riley did not cover since this is indeed Tech Quickie. The disadvantage for options like Google Sheets is large spreadsheets do not work well and are very slow. Excel does not have this issue, finance departments. Red lining for legal departments is an industry standard which is natively supported in O365. Lastly, yes people don't want to switch but it's also because a lot of their processes depend on long ago created macros and addins that would not work anywhere else.
I still use macros for quick and programmable automation. I can't seem to replace it with Power BI since it somehow handles calculations differently.
Does LibreOffice Calc have this issue with big tables? I haven't encountered it myself but maybe I am not using spreadsheets big enough!
And if you upload a complex Excel spreadsheet to Google Sheets, it messes up the formatting
@@aliskprado I'm only referring to Google Sheets buy it is likely for any web based tool. 4 million data points I think is the maximum.
@@tkdrob456 Thanks for the answer! Yeah, I am aware you were referring to Google Sheets, but since I use LibreOffice, I was curious to know about its limitations. So I asked thinking that maybe someone here would have the answer. 😅
One thing to keep in mind if your employer has Volume Licensing for Windows and Office/365: as part of the licensing contract with MS, you may have access to the Microsoft Workplace Discount Program (formerly the Home Use Program), where you can get discounts on 365 and Surface. With 365, you get 30% off the regular sub price; I sub to 365 Personal and the discount knocked the yearly rate down from $69.99 to $48.99 (plus tax, of course).
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You're allowed to use a home and student license for commercial use, the only difference is that professional has additional features not seen as valuable by home users.
Group Policy support being one of the big ones, in a business that's huge but for a home user they won't care...
pirating those programs are better
@@mafiahalo93 i would never do that lol
@@MrWargw well have fun being a loser that overpays for a simple as program that shouldn't cost more then $10 a month
@@mafiahalo93 Office 365 is $7 a month
Libre Office, baby!! Been using that for many years now. I have yet to find a reason to need MS Office -- Libre Office does everything I've ever needed an office suite to do.
Libre Office is pretty much deprecated at this point. I prefer ONLYOFFICE or FreeOffice for that more modern look.
I haven't used Microsoft office in like over 8 years. Libre Office which is free works just fine for my personal and business needs and I've never had an issue opening documents of other people.
Fonts sometimes don't render well on LibreOffice and I've had some issues with the dictionaries included.
it's good for opening and on occasion uses. But, If I'm running a business, it's gotta be Excel
I'm running a business and LibreOffice Calc is more than good enough for me.
Same, works like a charm, and is totally free. People just don't kniw about it
You hit a brick wall once you've got Excel with embedded PowerQuery. Word and PowerPoint is trivial to replace, Excel is unfortunately the insurmountable hook Office has into the business world.
they're around $5 if you know where to look
More like free lmao
Office 2021 pro keys are going for about $12
@@epicfacesmiley not the crack/patcher crap. a real genuine license key.
They're around *free*
cough free cough
Although Microsoft is definitely moving over to the web based Microsoft 365 as the new Microsoft Teams and Outlook are just Glorified Microsoft Edge wrappers
Which is just... Chrome ugh
Not fully.
I guess New Teams I'd consider an MS Edge wrapper. I could no longer mark important a message using a shortcut, hence, I still am using the old Teams.
If you are using the preinstalled office, yeah, it's an MS Edge wrapper. But if you've downloaded a standalone, then no.
@@joeykeilholz925 nah Edge is far superior to Chrome, both performance and privacy vise.
@@codname125Performance I agree with you, but privacy? 😂
Libre Office is a fantastic alternative. Unfortunately like any other open-source Office alternatives, opening an MS Office document on Libre sometimes tend to either get scrambled or misalign some paragraphs/graphics here and there. Which is still a damn hassle to fix.
Yeah its the major drawback for Libre for myself. I have alot of documents that are in Word and Excel, with equations, they really do not translate at all. It's why I pulled the plug and grab MS365 for the year.
I've used Libre Office for years now along Thunderbird for email. There's great opensource alternatives for just about every overpriced commercial software product. The only thing I haven't found a viable opensource alternative for is MS Access. The Libre Office database program doesn't come with a proper database engine, and I haven't had a lot of luck with it.
@@jase_allen postgre?
Doesn’t sound fantastic.
PostgreSQL is amazing, one of the best open source programs ever made. I'm not sure if it's very accessible to non programmers but it's well worth learning.
Announced by Microsoft in September 2023:
WordPad WordPad is no longer being updated and will be removed in a future release of Windows. We recommend Microsoft Word for rich text documents like .doc and .rtf and Windows Notepad for plain text documents like .txt. September 1, 2023
With the migration to the cloud that is not surprising (not saying that I necessarily agree though). All you need to used Word and Excel online is a free Microsoft Account.
Honestly the issue with it being so expensive is when schools teach you to use office and then tell you to "practice at home" or say, "make a presentation with powerpoint". What the heck do I do as a 12 year old then? I asked my mom about it and she instead taught me how to sail the seven seas. What a mess it was before the google ones and the free online version of office. But even the online tools were not helpful when I needed to learn how to use advance features for an important IT exam I had a while back, and well, let's just say the sea welcomed me back with open arms. (Also no my school didn't offer student licenses.) The gist is, as a student I am NOT coughing up that much cash for a tool I need but will barely even use.
My dad downloaded apache open office for me back in late September of 2014 and have pretty well have been using that since. And I have never had to pay for it once for putting it on multiple computers over the years.
Same I'm open office user too , used it in school too
And it is a really fast program. Still works great on a 2008 laptop.
have a copy of that bouncing around the office too :-) Though for some reason the one Windows 10 laptop kept giving issues. So I put Libre on it. No more issues.
open office is generally seen as out of date, might switch to libre office, which is based off of open office
100% of what most people actually use for 0% of the cost.
LibreOffice and Syncthing routed to a central desktop server can do all of those things free of charge.
man of culture
In Indonesia, laptop manufacturers like Lenovo, Asus, HP, and Acer give you free office 2021 for most laptop purchases. Mostly for new low to mid models. Somehow, most high end models do not include the office. Office is already installed, and it will be registered (including warranty) with your email during first setup.
I work in tech retail and I can almost guarantee you that the reason for this is the manufacturers believe if you're paying for a high end model, you likely have means to pay a little more for Office, while for more budget customers they use the included Office as a draw to get them to buy their cheaper and lower end products, and if they end up using the included Office 2021 a lot maaaaaybe they could be hooked into the subscription if they want things like OneDrive, updated feature sets, better support options, etc.
A final reason is cheaper computers usually include more (usually crap) software/bloatware from various manufacturers, because many computers have little to no markup, and some (especially cheaper models) are sold at a loss on the hardware side. They make it up through contracts with other companies to include things like McAfee, Norton, various apps, games, etc. where the manufacturer gets paid to add those programs onto their lineup. It's possible that Microsoft has something similar in Indonesia where they pay manufacturers to add O2021 in hopes of converting those customers into O365 customers like I mentioned before.
If you notice, many premium computer models have much less bloatware for this reason. Microsofts own Surface lineup is one of the cleanest out of the box experiences I've ever had with a PC not bogging you down with random crap.
FYI like the cheap keys you can buy for Windows on various sites, you can do the same for Office Professional. A one time purchase :)
That;s where I got my copy. Now all I need is visio.
Or a boxed copy on eBay
Do you mind to elaborate sir? Like OEM keys? What's the keyword if I want to search for it in Google?
Thank u
Switching to LaTeX for my uni assignments was the best advice I've found. Never use 365 even though uni gave it out free
I'm using LaTeX/RMarkdown for my PhD and I'm amazed how much better it looks than a word document
LaEeX for the win. Best for everything math related.
LaTeX is good but I have heard that some universities have shunned the language but I am no University student so what do' I know eh?
"free". You paid for it.
@@crevanizekilnot everyone pays tuition for University
Hah, watching this just brings to mind my HS days. I graduated HS in '99 and my "business computing" class taught us to use several software apps and a couple suites like WordPerfect, Quicken, OpenOffice, and a few others, but not MS Office because it was considered "too expensive, buggy, and insecure for any successful business to use".
If you use OneDrive, it's not expensive at all (German pricing):
You get 1TB of cloud storage and all important Office programs for €69 for one person. You pay twice as much for 2TB of Google Drive storage, so you pay the same per TB without the Office programs.
And if you have friends or family who use Office as well, you get 6 licenses for €99 a year, which is a steal if you can actually share the costs between 6 people.
I am so lucky I have a grandfather legacy g-suite account with free unlimited storage. I have about 400tb's on it and couldn't imagine what Google would charge me lol.
You can get a familiy plan for 69€ a year (did that last year) if you buy it from notebooksbilliger bundled with norton security (which you throw away of course).
But to be honest i basically only use the cloudstorage and occasionally some powerpoint and excel.
That's nice.
@@kupokinzyt Even the legacy G-Suite is having 15GB/account. Which account are you talking about?
One-time purchase of "Office Home & Student 2021" cost 1.5 years of 365 Personal subscription. For subscriptions there's cloud storage but if you use it it's very hard to quit paying subscriptions if you can't offload your stored data or you are too used to using MS Office and can't get around Google Docs.
I still like buying perpetual licenses without upgrades and skip upgrades for a few years straight when I know I don't need the new features. If new features don't want people to buy newer versions then it's a marketing/development problem (making bullshit features) or the product need to be segmented properly for the cheaper versions.
I'll admit, I have a 365 subscription instead of using Libre Office or Open Office. This is not because I see any fault in the alternatives or superior functionality in 365. I have used Office in past jobs, and I know that knowledge in Microsoft's overpriced suite can be helpful if I am ever looking for another job or promotion down the road. Do I like this fact? No, but I do keep it in mind
I have a 365 subscription because of the online storage. Office is just a secondary benefit.
I could get the latest office version through my university, but I always decide o go out of my way and crack it simply because I deeply hate Word (which I'm forced to use from time to time when we work in teams)
i use an open source activator for microsoft office so i dont pay anything, ez
Buying the Home Version of Office is a great alternative. It's basically identical to 365 minus the monthly cost.
I normally use libre office, but I worry if I ever get a office job, I would probably have to relearn office. Not that it would be that hard for me since I find Office naturally more comfortable than Libre office.
Libre Office is a solid free choice, you'd never even know it wasn't office most of the time.
Yeah no, that's a lie. The format tends to get messed up when you try to open a DOCX in Libre. Things might shift or there's some problem with the font.
Additionally, the general look and feel, but also the UI is different when you're used to Office, even the little menus. I have an easier time using Google Docs. Otherwise, I can use Office Online if I specifically want Office.
I highly recommend FreeOffice or ONLYOFFICE instead of Libre Office as they are more modern and more frequently updated.
I prefer open source and free wherever possible but as the other guy said, Libre sucks, especially if you need documents to actually format correctly in Office apps as well. It's simply not suitable for any kind of professional or even student environment. On some assignments I'd have lost marks for presentation if I'd continued using Libre. As the other guy said, Google is the best free alternative and is cloud enabled out of the box. It still doesn't compete with Office, but formatting is way more consistent when opening in Office and vice versa.
I do really hate to be a hater on open source software, because I'm a developer myself and use a tonne of it, but Libre simply doesn't compete and just isn't very good. Something like GIMP on the other hand is a well-built standalone tool, obviously not as good as Photoshop etc but it's still solid
@@Wozza365 Sorry, I have to side with the OP. I work for a 'top 5' tech company and use a Linux workstation. LibreOffice CAN handle most Office documents just fine and the little rendering glitches here and there when on Linux can be easily solved by simply installing the MS TrueType fonts package. Now, I am not gonna lie and say that everything is perfect; while Writer and Calc that have near perfect compatibility with newer MS formats, it can be hit or miss with Impress sometimes. LibreOffice seems to struggle with really large spreadsheets (that in my opinion should be treated as databases but I digress) plus it can't handle some complex macros although it seems to do fine with simpler ones. But in the very few occasions in the last decade or so where I hit a document that LO couldn't handle, I've found that both OnlyOffice and WPS Office could deal with those documents just fine.
I always think it is funny how a word doc with office 97 , office 2010 and office 365 look the same. This can also be said with excel spread sheets, etc, etc. What a money maker.
Monopoly in Workspaces means that people who use MC Office are favored.
The Network Effect causes that they can charge ridiculous Prices.
have you done one of these for Adobe? do one for Adobe.
Yes please! 😊
Yes Adobe software IS expensive! so much so that many pros are ditching it
@@Digmen1 Affinity software.
4:24 why no mention of openoffice or libreoffice?
0:45
openoffice probally shouldn't be mentioned as it's just outdated, libreoffice replaced it and it just a fork of it
Man, this video has some nice FX 😄
It's also worth noting that whenever you see a Microsoft Office package being sold at a massive discount, it's usually going to have one of those volume licence keys that will either not work when you get it (because too many people have used up the licence allocations) or will initially seem fine but fail to work if you ever need to reinstall (because those licence allocations got used up after you installed it).
I wonder if the name change from Office 365 to Microsoft 365 is one of the 1st steps to Windows itself becoming a subscription model?
You are wise.
I was renamed because the "Office" part of 365 is now only a minor part of the full capabilities of the 365 platform.
I like to think it's because nobody works in an Office anymore.
Sice ive switched to Linux on my main pc, i was kind of forced to start using Libre Office and at first i was skeptical because i am also forced to use ms office for work, but i am really happy with the compatibility. To be clear, Libre isnt perfect i I've had some headaches with it but for the most part it works really well
Onlyoffice has less headaches than libre office
Back in 2008 parents got me a pc setup that had office 2007 in a bundle. and i'm still using those programs (along with some near-indestructible speakers) on my fancy build PC today. Buying a dvd drive for just that one thing was significantly more cost effective.
Can I switch from Micro$oft 365 family subscription plan to a one time purge of the same, but OEM, without any major disadvantages? Windows 10.
Youve missed one important thing. The office subscription (sorry, Microsoft 365) of the $100 a year can be used by 6 users ("family"), each one gets the full package with 1TB of One Drive and each uses his iwn Microsoft account. This lowers the cost to a bit less than $17 a year. I've tried the gree ones many times and I alwas go back to Office.
For basic ussage online is more than enough but I prefer the desktop version. As for the free compatible ones, I've tried them a few times but I alwas go back to Office as it is better.
Or you could just use a 100% FREE option, that has pretty much exactly the same components as the entire Microsoft suite, and save yourself the money.
@@Mr_.GPlease, explain the 100% free and integrated solution that offers 5TB of space as well (1TB per user) for parents that works without them having to think about it :)
I like the family plan too
6 TB of storage, access your files from anywhere, backup your PC settings & files, I also think you get more AI Pilot features. Whoever wrote this video needs to do more research.
@@NestoDiaz Unless there is something I've missed, the 6TB means that each user that you add as a family member gets 1TB, which is more than enough for most. I don't think you can get the whole 6TB in one account, if that's what you meant, but if you can I'd love to know how.
Imagine only if Google also focused more on making software for Windows.
Chrome and recently released NEARBY SHARE is prime example of them.
they should really start doing that.
I would prefer Google Docs/Sheets anyday over Office but I just don't like the fact that every time I need to open a file, I need to upload it first, instead of a simple double click.
I was using the almost free office during high school and university. Got pretty good in it. I used my knowledge to act as an actual entry level coach, which brought me through university time.
Remember everyone, if it's on the cloud, you don't own it.
Isn‘t it the point of a licencing a Software to just be alowed to use it instead of owning it?
And be "happy"😉
@Magic
Yes? What's your point? When I buy office I just want to use they version forever. Idon't want to dissect the code or resell it.
My point is, that you dont own a licenced software, no matter if it is in the cloud it not.
You own the right to use it forever.
Libre Office for the win
I for the longest time thought that they only cost like $35 due to that my dad is a software engineer and gets to go to the Microsoft conferences here he buys them for $35 each and also gets windows licenses for $10 for normal and $25 for pro.
365 is the yearly subscription model if you bought a computer that it came on it for free for a year and has a limit to 5 PCs, i recommend buy the individual license for home/ personal use, and basic office suite license for small businesses if your business doesnt need $499 version software.
You know - it's like paying for dropbox. Yeah it's crazy expensive but man when you need it (i'm talking about the cloud features integration with other apps) you are SO glad you paid for it. It's the one suite Microsoft does very well considering the alternatives.
Glad I never need this crap...
Very often, there is a question: Why not to switch to Linux? Well .. for professional work, the Office is the ONLY software why not to switch. Compatibility is already fine-ish, but the worst thing is, that any other office suite does not support online collaboration via Sharepoint. And the web version is crap, mildly said. Bad performance and way too many features are not supported in the web version. So please Linux community, give us a heads-up once you reverse-engineer MS protocols, so we can embrace the power of the penguin...
I know personally 2 small companies (around 50 employees) who switched to libreoffice. You can run MSoffice in vm sandbox(i don't mean wine). Behaves like original and preffered this over native if using 'cracked' software. I play some shooters with easyanticheat in vm too. Minor performance degradation. It's more about what people know what exists. We tech people might know about linux but my medic and accountant friends had no idea that there's alternative. I bet some of them don't know searching on the internet fixes plenty of issues.
The easiest way to run it on Linux is to implement all the libraries it needs in wine. But wine devs are currently mostly focused on games
it appears libre offiace may be compatable, it's also a windows program and can save using docx if needed, so you might give it a shot and see if it works on windows :P
@@dreaper5813Well, my company is M365 based. All projects do live in Sharepoint/Teams and we need to collaborate on them. Libre does not support that (as per wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office). WPS office seems to have something proprietary, SoftMaker office does not seem to have that, And OpenOffice has again some plugins, but those are also proprietary solutions not compatible with Sharepoint. So basically, if your work environment uses O365, you are locked into it ...
From a business perspective Microsoft 365 is so unbelievably worth it. Almost every single business that has more than a small handful of employees doing office things will use Microsoft 365, or Google Suite. There are competitors, but not many and those two are by far the most popular. Particularly because you also get a whole host of additional crap like automation tools, forms, hosted internal sites etc.
However, that absolutely drives out anyone who isn't making money from using the productivity suite.
went to a family subscription some years ago because the kids needed Office at school. I think it's still a great deal
For me it's an online storage platform that happens to include some Office apps that I use about twice a year.
You know, it's actually not as bad as some other subscriptions out there, based on the cloud storage alone. You get a full 1TB for your yearly subscription with 365, which on its own is worth $6+ a month on most S3 based cloud offerings. And if you are on a family plan, *every* family member gets their own 1TB. Not saying I have or haven't done this, but with up to 6 accounts you could "share" 5 other family member accounts for a total of 6TB of split storage a year at $100...that's $1.38/TB per month which is a genuine bargain, never mind the apps that come with it!
I paid $499 for Excel 1.03 in 1986. And another $499 for Word in 1987.
Oh my... list price for Microsoft Office was $750 in 1993. Generally available for only $500. Competition was strong, there were a number of major spreadsheet programs available for $500.
Yes, this was not subscription model pricing. You could run it for as long as you could make it work.
the family plan of 365 includes 6 people and also gives you access to semi proper office apps on mobile and tablets besides 1TB of one drive per user.
All of them aside, when you want to work with non-latin based languages other offices are not that polished the same as office. lack of official support for 365 on linux is one of the main reasons I don’t switch to linux really.
I just bought 365 family plan and gave it out at Christmas gifts. It's a terrific deal for what it does.
Huh? Microsoft 365 is a web application that works the exact same way on all the major Linux browsers. And even if it didn't, Microsoft Edge is a thing on Linux now.
@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 Nope, web apps are not even close to native Windows apps.
@@user-pn6qq1zr3x I agree, especially the OneNote windows 10 app vs the windows exe installer fiasco
I bought office pro plus 2021 for like £20 on amazon and it works perfectly lmao
Bought it on torrent, works great
thats just a volume key not a real license. you're better off just pirating it
Always nailing the Ian Hecox look.
Other than school (which I graduate this semester thankfully) I don’t use Office, unfortunately it is required as my local college only offers the Accounting program online now, but once I get my degree in May, because I use my personal MacBook for work, and they don’t require any particular word processor, I am using the iWorks suite.
A Microsoft 365 Personal account is $70/year. The 1TB of OneDrive alone makes it a deal.
a 2TB hard drive is $65, and you don't have to re-purchase it every year.
A 2 tb drive is also far less convenient
@@7Cs11 if you need everything youre storing to be always online, yes its less convenient. but out of 1tb of your personal files, how much of that are you really accessing on any particular day? chances are the vast majority of your files do not need to be always online. however I acknowledge there are use cases that dont conform to that.
@@user-tg7pi6lu6v the benefit also comes from not having the danger of losing that drive.
Gaming stuff, sure throw on a external storage. Study notes, job applications, and programming files I’ve written need to be secure from destruction, no matter what.
Nah. I have a 6TB NAS at home
LibreOffice ftw
I can understand why they are charging high for Office for Professional usage.
But why is even the "Home & Student" version priced so high?
Sold! Loved the presentation.
What sort of support is offered by Microsoft to business customers? What issues can crop up in an Office suite that the in house tech dept can't handle?
tbh, not much
Microsoft support is notoriously awful
But the support you get with the 365 suite is more important for the components he doesn't talk about like Exchange Online (email), Sharepoint online, Autopilot, and Teams (phone) that are crazy complex and when something breaks the business screams at you.
In Businesses are also the Enterprise Agreement contracts in use. I guess These are the same as volumelicences including the totally understandable CAL User Licence. Out IT-Company told that to me.. i Hope they are telling the truth.
And i have never heard of a Microsoft support employe who is Not a scammer….
I used Microsoft 365 for a month now the free trial and the dark mode is so good that I actually conssider buying it it is so awesome I love it. Even Google can't keep up with their dark mode or any other program.
We are slowly moving all clients to the 356, it does have many extra features (like using it on 5 devices), updates, integration with other products etc.
I’d say they also want to push the subscription instead. And it’s a better value either way even more functionality with the subscription
If you think about it, this is an interesting wrinkle in the value proposition of Apple products. They come with a full suite of office functionality for the layperson, complete with collaboration, future updates and cloud sync, all at no monthly charge. I don’t usually use pages, but Numbers works well, notes is great and even Keynote runs smoother and handles multimedia more gracefully than PowerPoint.
Lmao I dont like Microsofts pricing but Apples software is utter garbage.
Apple's office suite works better on Apple hardware than Microsoft's office suite on Apple hardware. But you're still paying for the Apple office suite with the dramatically overpriced hardware. And it's completely not interoperable with people who aren't also using Apple products.
And outside of the Apple walled garden ecosystem, Microsoft Office, or even the free Libre or Google office suites are dramatically more powerful and available.
I really havent had issues with word on my mac (m3 max). what are some of the issues?@@LibertyMonk
Microsoft can suck it! Our business has been using Linux Mint and LibreOffice for years and it works great.
I just use Office 2007, installed it from a CD and it’s compatible with documents created in the new versions. Paying anything for a product that hasn’t improved since the early 90s is stupid
If you're happy with 2007, that's fine. It can still hold it's own, and is about on par with Libre and the other free alternatives. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
But there have been tons of features added since then. Not so much in Word, but Excel is like 1,000% supercharged with PowerQuery. Plus there have been like 50 formulas and functions added since then, including array formulas. PowerPoint is now integrated with Designer (which pretty much gives you unlimited high-quality templates). And about a ga-zillion smaller changes, additions, and improvements. I believe the AI 'CoPilot' just rolled out - but I'll pass because I think they charge extra for it. If you don't need all that stuff, 2007 is fine... just saying that it's not accurate to say it hasn't changed.
@@stephencooper3583 power to ya if you need that stuff. But I certainly don’t, and I think a lot of people paying Microsoft a subscription don’t either. Just saying the idea that the only way to have Word, Excel and PowerPoint is with the new subscription model is decidedly not true. I actually use Office 97 a lot of the time as well. Cheers!
My company back in 2017 had a Home Use Program (HUP) for the office 2016 for its employees. I just needed to get teh code from HR and then pay 10$ for the entire thing. But I was limited to one license. Then I saw that I also could buy the Mac version seperately. So I bought it for yet another 10$ then sending it to my sister who is a Mac user. To this day my sister and I have been using office 2016 and have no problems with it. I think the only feature we will be missing one on are the slew of AI features with the new versions.
Why can't we just use office from 20 years ago? It doesn't need updates. They only made it worse over the years.
I promise you you can get these keys at 1/10th of the price
Don’t pay for it use “Open Office” for free
if only there was an even cheaper way.
I tried to switch to office on a trial version, but not having the option at all to autosave docs locally was a dealbreaker. I mostly use the iWork suite as its office, (mostly) and free.
I would love to see an open source version of docs slides sheets and notes, available on all devices!
PDF?
OnlyOffice? Collabora?
One big point, in my opinion, in favour of microsoft Office is the ability to teamwork. To have multiple authors roam inside a file (Powerpoint, Word, Excel) and work simultaneously - and I think so far there is no competition on that front as far as i know.
Google Docs did it first, and I've always found Microsoft's version a little buggy, sometimes you'd be able to collaborate with a desktop version, and sometimes you'd get a full lock and only you can edit.
It also requires the file to be saved in OneDrive or SharePoint. No SMB shared drives for you.
@@itskdog I didn't know that. Thank you. The few times I tried Google docs I swiftly reactivated 365. Unusable in my opinion a few years back
No mention of OnlyOffice, Open Office, Libre Office?
u might wanna rewatch the video lmao
Directly in words? No. In general mention of free alternatives and shots of Libre Office on screen? Yes. Would it have been nice to actually hear some the alternatives suggested directly out loud for those less informed? Hell yes
Open Office probally shouldn't be mentioned, it's a dead project for the most part, with Libre Office being it'd dirrect replacement, as it's just a fork
Onlyoffice still has better font support than libreoffice
Onlyoffice still has better font support than libreoffice
the Dell Dimension my parents bought in 1996 came with Office 3.0 which included a bunch of books and around 30 floppy disks
I got the student bundle of Office 97, Windows 95 (upgrade) and Windows NT 4. It was a bargain (I forget the exact price). The upgrade part of Windows 95 was a pain though, as I didn't have any Windows 3.1.1 disks.
I still use office 2007 my grandmother gave me because of the price
but tbh I prefer how it looks anyway to modern office, so I'm not complaining
I hate the new Microsoft word! So convoluted!
Microsoft really did peak during the late 2000s/early 2010s didn't they with stuff like Windows 7, Office 2007 etc?
(We don't talk about Games for Windows - Live, though)
@@CyanRooper tbh I'm also fine with office 2010, it's office 2013 when it started looking lifeless
@@Maki-00 I honestly haven't used the latest msword since the 2016 version
The $150 home and student version strips out Access and Outlook
If you are using access then you are doing real work and the yearly costs is then reasonable.
@@Elatenl Windows 11 comes with "Outlook (New)", but it's a glorified Windows Mail app. I don't know of anyone that would rather use Windows Mail over Outlook.
@@Elatenl Windows Mail does not equal Outlook, not by a long shot
But the average home user won't care
@@Elatenljust the free version which doesnt contain all the features
We paid $495 for WordPerfect back in the late 1980s---just for a word processor. That's equivalent to $1,273 in today's money. So, the $495 price for Office with word processing, spreadsheet, database, email, etc. sounds like a steal to me. 😉 And we walked up hill (both ways) to/from work everyday.
My parents worked at WordPerfect back in the day. Always fun to hear them talk about how it was a big deal when they added image support to WP.
But almost $500 for it in 1980?! I understand now why the owners home down the street from my parents is a massive mansion.
I was a Clarisworks/Appleworks kid and used it a long while into adulthood. It was nice back when.
The office subscription also includes 1TB of onedrive (if you look at the price of google drive for 1TB is not much different than the office subscription) . You also get skype minutes every month that I use to call my family. In the end the office subscription is a pretty good deal for me.
1TB of onedrive storage costs $70/year, a 2TB hard drive costs $65 one time.
@@user-tg7pi6lu6v I have a NAS with raid 1 that backs up to an external drive. However, I also keep files I care a lot about on onedrive also so that I have an offsite backup of them.
Why do you need skype when you can just video call or voice call on WhatsApp or any other chat apps? What benefits does it provide?
@@ShivamJha00 I have family members that are old and don't know how to use any of those things and so I can use skype to call their number directly.
Just wait until you see how much Libre Office costs 😎
That’s what I’ve been rocking for the better part of a decade
Around the same price when you notice it lacks almost all important features MS Office has.
Open Office is much better
Even better onlyoffice
Libre offices version of Word and PowerPoint are fine alternatives but their Excel version is WAY behind
Another option which is waaaay more affordable is looking for those online stores that sell genuine keys for 8 bucks.
To not forget the extra cash they are doing when selling it with not-USD currencies... m365 family in US 99.99$/year, in Switzerland 109.95 CHF/year (today exchange = 130.90 USD), same product!
Office 365 isn't that bad. It's like $15/mth CAD for EVERYTHING for up to five computers. Including OneDrive storage for those five accounts. I consider that a deal.
With the US pricing of $100/year for 5 TB (so long as you can split data between accounts), I don't think there is anywhere near a cheaper cloud storage option out there if you use all that, both on the business and consumer side. That price is really unbeatable if you have a use for that much storage.
LibreOffice is GREAT. And compatible. And its free. Word processing software has been around for decades. It hasn't changed much in any significant way in decades. The R&D that went into producing it is long since paid for. Nobody should be paying for it anymore.
I've never really seen anyone use any "advanced features" in Office that aren't also in LibreOffice.
And I've definitely never seen anyone get any kind of "support" from MS for Office.
Both exist and get used hard. I use both MS Office and Open Office. I paid $800 for a class, the superior features are a thing. Most can be recreated in OO but not all. Also it's a lot harder, and requires you already know what your doing. At that point your programming, not doing Office work
@@arnezbridges93 I've been working in corporate environments for 25 years and I can't recall when I've ever seen such advanced features used. I only ever get basic documents, spreadsheets, etc. I have never received a doc with embedded objects beyond static graphics. I've never received a doc with any database integration. I've never even received a doc with VB macros that weren't malicious.
I learned how to use Office back in HS when I learned keyboarding, on Word Perfect for DOS and 3.1, it was so fundamental I still got 99.5% on my final grade in college 10-15 years later.
Video suggestion: WiFi calling. What is it? How does it work? Do I need to be on a internet network provided by my mobile carrier?
Been using open office for a long time now. I can read and modify the new file extensions microsoft uses and it doesn't exclude any features that I need. Works fine, and is totally free. The microsoft only features can also often be worked around by doing things in another way. 😉
Came here to say exactly this. Only time I ever use MS Office any more is for work, and they pay for it.
Open office is deprecated for libreoffice, or only office being the best options
@@andrewmiles2204 I don't really care for the term "best". I have an engineers standpoint and only care about "it works for the task", and open office pulls that off just fine. 😉
Might want to move to a newer office suit like libre office, open office is mostly a dead project, getting like 2 ish security updates a year. and given libre office is just the newer version of open office, it supports all the same things, but actually gets updates, unlike open office which got its last major update 7 years ago.
Keeping it this expensive they are just incentivising us to sail the seas.
Not only is it really expensive, it is still slow to load and has plenty of crashing opportunity! It boggles my mind that Microsoft continues to shove things in it that makes an i7 still loads these apps in about 20 seconds. You'd think that for something like Excel, it would be nearly instant with NVMe and even SSD drives. But, nope.
My first job was at a wonderful tech startup and one of their interview questions was: Do you use openoffice?
The company culture had a strong open software leaning and we were using open versions of many tools.
If i were a cynical man, which i am, i'd hazard a guess they were just being cheap.
Did they ever donate money to any of the FOSS devs?
If not, pretty good indication of why they were using it.
"Linux is only free if you don't value your time"
An "open source leaning company" sounds like a bunch of neckbeards arguing over Arch vs. Debian instead of getting things done. Also sounds like they're being cheap.
I like Linux for servers a lot and I use it every day in AWS, Proxmox, misc. VPS etc. Also used it plenty in my MSc - but Linux on the desktop and OSS alternatives to giants will never overtake the likes of Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, Adobe etc. After years of Googling "Linux alternative to X", I just decided to stop wasting time and get to work with the best tools for the job.
@@chrisbaker8533
I can say that the owners were both supporting open software movement and of course happy that they were not paying.
Have a physical copy of Office 2010. It still works, despite the fearmongering that it's no longer supported. Word processor go brrr. Spreadsheets go brrr. Newer versions also go brrr. Therefore, there's no reason to "upgrade". It's just a huge scam.
Not a scam. Office 2010 no longer receives security updates, stuff like CVE-2017-8682 is real.
As long as it runs on your OS and it allows you to do what you want to do, no reason to upgrade to a heavier version. Yes, no upgrades, but doesn't mean it's useless. You could still do basic spreadsheet stuff in Excel 2007 or older.
"And they get support from Microsoft"
This alone should mean Microsoft has to pay you to take the software instead, lol.
That’s why I moved to a Chromebook for my personal use. Got tired of the endless updates on Windows. Still use Windows for work. Most folks can get away with not using Microsoft Office Suite.
love the trapped in the machine joke slid in there
Because its a lot of pretty cool software :)
Last year I bought a secondhand copy of Office 2003 Pro Retail. Used to be € 600+ when new. And it is the last version with the UI similar to Office 97, the office that I learned to use at my education.
SShit , Riley is a my faworite last one year or so.
Themes of videos are realy "up to date " and informational , plus he represent them on some funny-sirius way that I like..or
its just me...😮
Just remember, if the product is free, you and your private data is what's for sale. Open Source mostly avoids this issue.
Yes, i understood from the beginning that the pricing is meant for professional users. I'd like office tools just to keep track of some things in life. Open source or browser versions are good enough. Some of them even come with cloud storage free as well.