Ejections 031-33 - Blue Jays pitcher Yimi Garcia, coach Pete Walker & manager Charlie Montoyo Tossed

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  • 1B Umpire Alfonso Marquez ejected Blue Jays pitcher Yimi Garcia and pitching coach Pete Walker and HP Umpire Lance Barrett ejected manager Charlie Montoyo. Report: www.closecalls...
    Garcia was ejected after hitting Josh Donaldson with a pitch (which itself followed Giancarlo Stanton's 3-run home run), and crew conference outcome that ruled the HBP an intentional act. Walker was ejected arguing the call to eject Garcia. Montoyo was ejected half an inning later when Yankees pitcher Jonathan Loaisiga threw a pitch inside and high to Blue Jays batter Bo Bichette and no ejection for intentionally throwing at a batter occurred (warnings are automatically put into place any time a pitcher is ejected for an intentional pitch at the batter).

Komentáře • 382

  • @FactsMatter
    @FactsMatter Před 2 lety +114

    This mess lies at the feet of Marquez and his crew. They blew the Donaldson HBP out of proportion. NOBODY expected ejections there. Not even the Yankees. And their overreaction lost them control of this game.
    Umpire conferences after HBP were supposed to allow things to cool, instead, this conference was a lesson in confirmation bias where some or all of these 4 invented a problem that very likely didn’t actually exist. Not a good look for this crew.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 Před 2 lety +3

      The primary reason for crew conference after H.B.P. is to take the decision out of the hands of one umpire, and eliminate the need to make an immediate decision.

    • @pfiechtner
      @pfiechtner Před 2 lety +17

      @@rayray4192 apparently in baseball, just like in corporate america, “none of us alone are as stupid as all of us together!”

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 Před 2 lety +4

      @@pfiechtner never heard your euphemism before. It’s a good one. Bravo.

    • @michaelfalkner1186
      @michaelfalkner1186 Před 2 lety

      The problem is: You listen to the CCS narrator -- this DOES check all the boxes.

    • @duffyy1
      @duffyy1 Před 2 lety +1

      Couldn’t agree more

  • @CloseCallSports
    @CloseCallSports  Před 2 lety +45

    We gravely apologize for missing the "money's worth" chime at 3:56.

    • @SLC-Smudge42
      @SLC-Smudge42 Před 2 lety +7

      You stole my tattle tale comment!! Damn.

    • @DosCincoNetwork25
      @DosCincoNetwork25 Před 2 lety +5

      We’re at 7 on getting our money’s worth this year but this is no chime

    • @raf42
      @raf42 Před 2 lety +2

      It's fine, you can just remake the video, right?

    • @geoffroi-le-Hook
      @geoffroi-le-Hook Před 2 lety

      then I won't come out to argue about it

    • @ceave
      @ceave Před 2 lety

      I'm still waiting for a "magic words" chime.

  • @Pathfinder76
    @Pathfinder76 Před 2 lety +15

    Montoya leaving the dugout for the field has to be a litmus test of some sort for the horrific umpiring that has gone on this year. Just wow.

  • @Kenshuku
    @Kenshuku Před 2 lety +35

    Seems very heavy handed to toss Garcia (less so Walker because it's not his fight to fight), I'll agree that's it a perfect storm situation though. An unfortunate situation for the Jays

    • @noahjarbo3275
      @noahjarbo3275 Před 2 lety +2

      Well Pete Walker is the pitching coach, so he has a right to be mad as he's the one who instructs his pitchers and he obviously is justifiably mad at this ejection

    • @Kenshuku
      @Kenshuku Před 2 lety +4

      @@noahjarbo3275 He has the right to be mad - he doesn't have the right to take that up with the umpires.

    • @MJM_Productions
      @MJM_Productions Před 2 lety +3

      I’m a jays fan and it was an 0-1 fastball that hit Donaldson in a tie game and Garcia did not mean to do that, then gets tossed which is rediculous . And then the next game, Taillon hits vlad jr thinking that Garcia hit Donaldson intentionally and never even threw him out. The umping has been inconsistent and continues to be the same this season

    • @noaharbo9753
      @noaharbo9753 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Kenshuku But he kinda does though. They're the one who made the decision to eject the pitcher.

    • @Kenshuku
      @Kenshuku Před 2 lety +2

      @@noaharbo9753 This is touched on in the video; only the manager (Charlie) gets a leash with regards to arguing this, anyone else will get ejected. I don't know how much simpler I can explain this.

  • @Davidtjr36
    @Davidtjr36 Před 2 lety +28

    Love Montoya's reaction to figuring out he is the one thrown out. Truly can't believe it.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 Před 2 lety

      Apparently he doesn’t know M.L.B rules.

    • @noaharbo9753
      @noaharbo9753 Před 2 lety +7

      @@rayray4192 What do you mean? What rules apply? He was justifiably upset. Umpires were not consistent. Stop boot licking umpires all the time when they're in the wrong.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 Před 2 lety +1

      @@noaharbo9753 the rules were stated in the video. It’s illegal to argue umpire decisions after warnings have been issuee, and,or, a pitcher had been ejected for intentionally hitting a batter. Your ignorance in regard to M.L.B. rules is on you. I defend umpires until I can’t.

    • @Luka_MK
      @Luka_MK Před 2 lety

      @@rayray4192 Bruhh

    • @sassyqueeniesweetiebaby1133
      @sassyqueeniesweetiebaby1133 Před 2 lety +1

      @@rayray4192 I agree with u

  • @kendog52361
    @kendog52361 Před 2 lety +67

    In this case, rightly or wrongly, I think the Umps turned it from a "tense situation" with the second hit-by-pitch, into an "angry" situation, for both sides, but especially for the Blue Jays. With Donaldson, going by the video, I think Warnings would have sufficed. Montoya wouldn't have been happy, but I think that would have sufficed. Then, after the Blue Jay pitcher got ejected for hitting the batter, anything close, like that later pitch you showed, it's just going to piss off the Blue Jays if they see, what they perceive, as unequal treatment by the Umps.
    Long story short, rightly or wrongly, I think the Umps turned a tense situation into just short of a storm, between those teams.

    • @TiciTotyTony
      @TiciTotyTony Před 2 lety +1

      oh yeah i wouldn't be surprised if both teams clear next game lol

    • @RobertSmith-qu7wd
      @RobertSmith-qu7wd Před 2 lety

      @@TiciTotyTony I'm not expecting trouble between teams in the next game, but with Marquez likely to be the plate umpire he will find himself quite on the hotseat.

    • @billyskittles1036
      @billyskittles1036 Před 2 lety

      Montoyo*

    • @noahjarbo3275
      @noahjarbo3275 Před 2 lety +4

      Yeah, this is all on the umps. And what's even worse is that in today's game, they might issue warnings before the game, forcing both starting pitchers and the bullpen to pitch differently to avoid the risk of hitting batters. It's going to pit the teams together even though both teams had no hard feelings towards one another yesterday.

    • @binder38us
      @binder38us Před 2 lety +1

      A warning between innings. De escalation is what most sports officials do. But not MLB Umps. They LOVE to escalate situations to remind baseball they are most important part if the game. Yeah, BS.

  • @BamaMTA04
    @BamaMTA04 Před 2 lety +11

    I haven't done the research on these 4 umpires, but this is one of those situations where and why it always hurts when players (even at the HS level) don't umpire after their careers are over. Instead you have persons who never played the game and don't understand the nuances arbitrating the "unwritten" aspect of it. No one on either side thought that was intentional - 3-3 game, 6th inning, 0-1 count. But 4 MLB Umpires who have made it through 10-15 years of training did.
    So with that being said, I would have to agree with Lindsay there HAS to be more to this. Somewhere those officials were told by MLB about something else going on or they had other information we don't. I hope. Man, I hope.

    • @a_doggo
      @a_doggo Před rokem

      It's obvious for an entire umpire's career - either you're effortless reading where plays, hits, and throws are going, knowing instinctively which players are backing up where - or you're reciting the manual and have a bag of flash cards in your trunk and probably won't ever get to the point of calling a quality game without a "real" guy/gal on the plate. I have no clue how the non ball-players even survive calling ball above the HS level - because they basically don't. They'd lose their heads in the first inning of an NCAA-level game. No shot.

  • @47Experiment_
    @47Experiment_ Před 2 lety +9

    The confusion in the Yankees dugout says it all

    • @bobnewfart7630
      @bobnewfart7630 Před 2 lety

      You must not of seen all the fu's being said after he hit him.. Yanks are a cheating classless bunch. Read the letter

  • @priceright8963
    @priceright8963 Před 2 lety +7

    Hopefully this gets the MLB to change their minds on crew conferences for intentional HBPs. It does nothing to correct one-sided officiating in games like these.

    • @critter2
      @critter2 Před 2 lety

      it won't

    • @critter2
      @critter2 Před 2 lety

      everyone is still blamming umpires

  • @pfiechtner
    @pfiechtner Před 2 lety +37

    Amazing that you can have a crew of four umpires talk it over and somehow not one of them had the common sense to assess the situation and realize it couldn’t possibly be intentional. Garcia sequences his slider and 4/2-seamer off each other (just check baseball savant to see how he works both edges of the plate with them). After the first pitch sinker, a fastball in (that got away) to set up another slider away makes a lot more sense than plunking a guy to put the go ahead run on base in the 6th inning. The whole crew blew this one.

    • @bogie7311
      @bogie7311 Před 2 lety +4

      “couldn’t possibly be intentional?” You’ve got to be kidding.

    • @pfiechtner
      @pfiechtner Před 2 lety +16

      @@bogie7311 pitchers that are mad about homers don’t throw first pitch sinkers on the black to the next batter and THEN suddenly decide to bean them, and you don’t intentionally put the go-ahead run on base in a tie game...
      Garcia pitches inside with questionable control at times, but he hasn’t had a reputation for headhunting and he doesn’t have any particular history with Donaldson. The whole umpiring crew suffered from a case of scenario fulfillment here, egged on by the Yankee dugout, and decided that they saw something that wasn’t actually there

    • @bernier42
      @bernier42 Před 2 lety +2

      If you need to check Baseball Savant, that’s not “common sense”, that’s research. And a heck of a lot of intel for umps to have on every player on the field. And needless to say, umps aren’t consulting websites and databases in real time on the field.

    • @alexchavez3383
      @alexchavez3383 Před 2 lety

      Mind reader.
      "Pitchers would never make it less obvious!"
      That said, warnings.

    • @pfiechtner
      @pfiechtner Před 2 lety +3

      @@bernier42 I’m not suggesting that the umpires check it mid game. MLB umpires should come into the game already aware of something as simple as hard in soft away sinker/slider sequencing, because it’s incredibly common at every level of the sport, rather than immediately assuming intent just because a fastball runs inside.
      I meant that if anyone here in the comments doesn’t believe me when I say how Garcia uses his pitches, you can go check to confirm I’m not making it up

  • @douglassepic9030
    @douglassepic9030 Před 2 lety +38

    A few things: First- the "I'm done with you" hand waive by the crew chief when ejecting Garcia was demeaning and unprofessional. The level of umpire unprofessionalism needs to be corrected by MLB in these situations.
    Secondly, when ejecting the pitching coach, the crew chief, again, nearly hit Montoyo in the face.
    I typically defend umpires and believe that they have every right to engage in heated arguments with managers/coaches/players. And I'm tired of hearing people say that unpires are "ruining the game". (There's a lot ruining the game, including the players' union, the umpires' union, large market owners' greed, no salary caps, no profit sharing, etc...)
    Nonetheless, the level of general professionalism anong umpires needs to step up. For example, what happened with in the recent Bumgarner - Dan Bollino confrontation is far below an acceptable level of decency and professionalism.
    Likewise, the handling of this situation falls short of the mark.

    • @bradt7451
      @bradt7451 Před 2 lety +1

      What do you want him to do? Montoya is putting his hands on Fonzi holding him back. As for dumping the pitcher…what’s a better way?

    • @douglassepic9030
      @douglassepic9030 Před 2 lety +8

      @@bradt7451 Apply common sense. You walk up to the pitcher and tell him that the decision was made to eject him and you indicate with a professional hand signal. You don't turn your back to him and you don't signal to the manager to stay away. You made the decision. You man up, face the player and go to toward the bench to explain to the manager.

    • @mikek6658
      @mikek6658 Před 2 lety +1

      Why dont the umps just stay out it like they did for the first 100 years of baseball.

    • @douglassepic9030
      @douglassepic9030 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mikek6658 That's an MLB question

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 Před 2 lety +4

      @@douglassepic9030 perhaps give the pitcher milk and cookies and a shoulder massage. Maybe a self affirmation tape. He’s a big boy, he’s not a baby, and Mr. Alfonzo was literally walking toward Montoya when he ejected Garcia with a perfectly acceptable signal. And why is Montoya touching two umpires simultaneously? You are a stern judge.

  • @ryan1982o
    @ryan1982o Před 2 lety +22

    Umpires impacting a game once again. Just let them play baseball. As a fan that’s all I ask for!

    • @peterframtid5168
      @peterframtid5168 Před 2 lety +2

      He didn’t intentionally throw at him

    • @ScottBadley
      @ScottBadley Před 2 lety +1

      @@tvideo1189 apparently you are too

    • @two-nine7730
      @two-nine7730 Před 2 lety

      @@tvideo1189 did you watch the game?Look at the score,look at the count.
      P.S.You do not understand what deciding the game means.

    • @DisasterYT
      @DisasterYT Před 2 lety

      @@tvideo1189 you actually dumb enough to think that was on purpose?

    • @critter2
      @critter2 Před 2 lety

      no that mlb bsaeball you people are blamming the wrong damn people

  • @zach7193
    @zach7193 Před 2 lety +7

    Man, this is worse than last year with Acuna. This is getting out of hand. It's funny that CCS would mention Jomboy.

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 Před 2 lety

      Well, even the covering of the mouth didn't save Montoyo from the Jomboy breakdown!

  • @Matthew6418
    @Matthew6418 Před 2 lety +9

    I know this channel defends umpires but the umpires were wrong here. Not even a question.

  • @matthewlangille5382
    @matthewlangille5382 Před 2 lety +3

    Ok so the Yankees throw and hit Gurriel jr nothing happens 🤔 Garcia hits donaldson and it’s thrown outta the game 🤔 WTF

  • @jamiethornton6101
    @jamiethornton6101 Před 2 lety +11

    This video should be put in an umpires training manual of what NOT TO DO on one of these decisions on throwing someone out. I can't even think of the logic that went in with this decision.

    • @critter2
      @critter2 Před 2 lety

      you need to be talking to mlb baseball why is this so fucking hard for fans to fucking understand

  • @almostfm
    @almostfm Před 2 lety +15

    Something that should have been a mitigating factor-why would you bring in a reliever to throw at a batter on his second pitch? If you're going to do that, then leave the guy in who gave up the home run so you don't waste a pitcher.
    I hate to say it, but I think if this exact thing happened if these same two teams were playing in Toronto, we don't see any ejections. I think the Yankee stadium crowd influenced the decision. It's not supposed to, but I think it did.

    • @bobbeckhart1707
      @bobbeckhart1707 Před 2 lety

      Because given the recent past of the cordial YANKEE FANS we all know not to get the neanderthals stirred up

    • @bernier42
      @bernier42 Před 2 lety +2

      It was the same pitcher.

    • @almostfm
      @almostfm Před 2 lety

      @@bernier42 You're right. They brought Garcia in after Kikuchi gave up three hits in the bottom of the 6th. Garcia gave up the Stanton homer, and then he hit Donaldson.
      It still doesn't make sense that it would be a deliberate HBP, given the game situaiton.

  • @kylesanders5999
    @kylesanders5999 Před 2 lety +3

    Umpires don’t even know the game. What a joke

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Před 7 měsíci

      Every umpire from HS on up knows the game better than you do.

  • @itsjeff9613
    @itsjeff9613 Před 2 lety +18

    This was just straight up incompetence by an umpiring crew. It was the 2nd pitch of the at bat, the game was tied, the balls had been terrible all night, and Donaldson, who is known to overreact to things, didn't even react. And considering the 3 other umpires are relatively inexperience in the League, this falls on Marquez, which to be fair doesn't surprise me, he seems like a fine umpire when not doing Blue Jays games, but when he does Blue Jays games he becomes incompetent, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it seems to happen more than enough to be a coincidence.

    • @critter2
      @critter2 Před 2 lety +1

      say the people who never been on field or an official

    • @itsjeff9613
      @itsjeff9613 Před 2 lety

      @@critter2 I literally was an umpire for 3 years.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Před 7 měsíci

      @@itsjeff9613 It took me 3 years after I started umpiring to get a varsity game. 3 years means you are a rookie and still have lots to learn.

  • @darwinpierrelouis9990
    @darwinpierrelouis9990 Před 2 lety +5

    That was Crazy 3 Blue Jays EJECTED

  • @a_doggo
    @a_doggo Před rokem +1

    In our umpire chats, while we'd refer to a player who's likely to get targeted as "hot", the real adjectives we'd use (with a journalist, for example) would be "magnetic and controversial", or simply "involved in interpersonal conflicts with other involved players or staff members". Great coverage!

  • @jeremypepin481
    @jeremypepin481 Před 2 lety +14

    Shocker … umps needed to make the game about them .

  • @otismygotis3670
    @otismygotis3670 Před 2 lety +29

    Ahh, Yankee favoritism.

  • @stephenkasper6081
    @stephenkasper6081 Před 2 lety +1

    If they issue warnings, I think Boone gets ejected and tries to retaliate the next game. Ejecting Garcia is the better long term decision, but smothering a heated situation still burns your hands.

  • @bananaland5445
    @bananaland5445 Před 2 lety +3

    Umps made a mess of this one. MLB needs to go back to the old way of handling this shit. The new method sucks and the umps get it wrong more often than not

  • @JGTheGamer
    @JGTheGamer Před 2 lety +3

    The comment about Montoyo covering his mouth cracked me up a little. I don't even think there's any animosity between the Jays and Yankees as far as I'm aware of. Even if Donaldson is a shithead, there's nothing that warrants being thrown at. Especially in a late tied game. Warnings would have sufficed and not set off this shitshow.

  • @justinmckay5941
    @justinmckay5941 Před 2 lety +13

    Big mistakes from the umps honestly, Donaldson is beloved by the Jays organization so no one is ever going to throw at him intentionally. Also, 3-3 game and if it was intentional he would’ve thrown at him with the first pitch of the at bat. Warnings would’ve defused everything, coaches would’ve still been in the game, and this game would’ve ended differently whether the Yankees or Jays go onto win.

    • @KPapadakis09
      @KPapadakis09 Před 2 lety

      Blue jays lost because of the ejections

    • @Ghostrider6A
      @Ghostrider6A Před 2 lety +1

      I don't think Walker would have survived the game. If you're a coach, you are (to put it bluntly) to be seen and not heard especially in an argument (see last year's Greg Gibson ejection of a Cubs coach).

  • @geoffroi-le-Hook
    @geoffroi-le-Hook Před 2 lety +2

    whatever happened to the rule that any park built for a professional team after June 1, 1958, had to be 325 down the lines ?

  • @wrdswpns1139
    @wrdswpns1139 Před 2 lety +4

    Once again jays get screwed
    Not only do they have to taken on that Yankees line up but the incompetent umps as well

    • @notredo
      @notredo Před 2 lety

      The right field fence being the size of a pony league field is a joke, probably adds to the frustration. That's a lazy fly out anywhere else. Why they built the park that way defies logic,

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Před 7 měsíci

      @@notredo Why does that matte? Both teams have the same opportunity to hit one out over the right field fence, but do both teams have the ability?

    • @notredo
      @notredo Před 7 měsíci

      @@alanhess9306 If you have a lot of left hand batters it gives you an advantage in half of your games. The other teams that only play a hand full of games there would not pad their line up with lefties because they will be playing in parks that are typically asymmetrical.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Před 7 měsíci

      @@notredo That's a good point. But that means the Yankees have to play half their games on fields they aren't so familiar with.

  • @Briansgate
    @Briansgate Před 2 lety +7

    Umps are the stars of the show. And they will always remind you of that.

  • @Scotty_Elgin_Nunn
    @Scotty_Elgin_Nunn Před 2 lety +7

    Notice how the Yankees fans clap at how almost Bo gets hit??? Congrats Yankee fans, your getting more and more disrespectful every game

    • @craigharrison5406
      @craigharrison5406 Před 2 lety +2

      Ya and on the reverse you had that Jays fan giving the Judge homerun ball to a young yankees fan a week ago. It shows the contrasting mentality of the fans from these cities

    • @critter2
      @critter2 Před 2 lety

      every fucking dan has so much disrespectful everyone of you have ruin this game for your attitude towards umpires

  • @nick1daly
    @nick1daly Před 2 lety +2

    Why in the hell would he be throwing at someone in a tied game in the 6th?

  • @bestman6240
    @bestman6240 Před 2 lety +2

    Lot of ejections today. First this game and then Mariners vs. Phillies there were 2. This should be a fun watch

  • @ProfessorDisaray
    @ProfessorDisaray Před 2 lety +1

    It is normal that the next guy gets wacked after a home run in certain situations, but ejections where crazy and uncalled for, maybe a warning to both benches.

  • @priceright8963
    @priceright8963 Před 2 lety +1

    Couple of updates. First: no further punishments for the Blue Jays. Second: JomBoy just go in on the action (Ask and ye shall receive).

  • @kennethridout5634
    @kennethridout5634 Před 2 lety +2

    I think almolst all umpires are against the Blue Jays and there's evidence of it over the years other teams pitchers can go after Toronto batters nothing happens but when a blue Jays pitcher un intentionality hit a batter they get ejected from the game that's what I believe

    • @Scotty_Elgin_Nunn
      @Scotty_Elgin_Nunn Před 2 lety +1

      It's been like this for awhile, remember 2015 where Jim Wolfe ejected Aaron Sanchez cause apparently hitting someone in the ankle is intentional... but somehow KC kept pitching High and inside to Toronto and that's fine???
      I like Watching Jay's games, but when the umpires are clearly biased against a Canadian team then it's very hard to watch

  • @jaybrewsky3362
    @jaybrewsky3362 Před 2 lety +7

    Josh Donaldson said after the game that him and the Blue Jays Catcher had some words before the AB. It’s likely the umpire heard it since he was right there, so he deemed it intentional because of that.

    • @detroitrockcity8
      @detroitrockcity8 Před 2 lety +1

      Bingo, this is the thing everyone is just assuming never happened. JD has always been a hot rod and one of the higher plunked batters the last few years too in the league. I figured something was said or done earlier that they (umpires) filed away. Otherwise, without it, they don’t have much of anything to run Garcia.

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 Před 2 lety

      Also, this was the batter after the home run was hit. But you warn both sides.

  • @TheBatugan77
    @TheBatugan77 Před 2 lety +3

    Wow. Yankees fan.
    Bad call.

    • @parkerdonham6754
      @parkerdonham6754 Před 2 lety

      Not a Yankee fan. Just so far up the umpire's ass they can see Joe West.

  • @brodymanandts
    @brodymanandts Před 2 lety +2

    IMO if you throw out the first pitcher you have to throw out the second pitcher. They both seem to be the same level of intentionality.

  • @kqatsi
    @kqatsi Před 2 lety +2

    "It would have been an argument either way." Sure, but in one case your pitcher gets ejected, and in the other case he doesn't. These are not the same.

  • @teebob21
    @teebob21 Před 2 lety +3

    I love the Jomboy nod for lips-reading...and the subtle dig for "come back for the rules analysis"

    • @babababad
      @babababad Před 2 lety

      finally we have an open acknowledgement of the baseball youtube ecosystem

  • @markthompson2874
    @markthompson2874 Před rokem +1

    I'm just concerned that there was no added sound effect at 3:46.

  • @JayFan97
    @JayFan97 Před 2 lety +5

    It was an 0-1 count in a tie game why would he deck him in that scenario

  • @noahkramer2676
    @noahkramer2676 Před 2 lety +1

    You missed the getting his money’s worth sound!!!

  • @jasongillis8574
    @jasongillis8574 Před 2 lety +1

    Your comment about Donaldson. There is no ill intent from Donaldson to Toronto or vise versa. Absolutely no way jays intentionally hits Donaldson ever. Get your facts

  • @DJTexan
    @DJTexan Před 2 lety +7

    The pitching coach and players should be able to argue without being restrained as well. As long as they aren’t trying to attack the umpire. That’s the way it used to be and it should be like that now. Yelling at them to get out while they are being forcibly restrained is a bad look for umpires. This is for both teams and umpires, just let them have their say and they’ll usually storm off. No need to grab them and hold them back especially the coaches. I’ve seen coaches that argue more calmly than managers.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Před 2 lety

      It is the manager's job to discuss or argue calls. It is never an assistant coach's job. Assistant coaches should be seen and not heard.

  • @mrbill4206
    @mrbill4206 Před 2 lety +1

    Toronto managers get thrown out more than any other team.

  • @kevinmcdermott5607
    @kevinmcdermott5607 Před 2 lety +2

    Intent? So now we can read the minds of others and know intentions? Laughable! Intent? Please! Prove intent. You can’t judge intent! Unless a player is saying hit him. Intent or situation?

  • @antmangunnergaming4793
    @antmangunnergaming4793 Před 2 lety +1

    We need a jomboy media breakdown asap

  • @donnyblondy8506
    @donnyblondy8506 Před 2 lety +2

    Boone standing there, thinking,,,,"yaaa ff yaaa,,thanks Rob Manfred and MLB,, " Of course if a yankee does it, nothing happens

  • @_pocketsand
    @_pocketsand Před rokem

    4:48 Boone lookin' like he's due any day now

  • @marktwain368
    @marktwain368 Před 2 lety

    Let's add gasoline to this fire: this season in particular has had pitchers complaining about the manufacture and quality of balls used in MLB. Reputable pitchers, too. Then the latest scandal about increasing RPM by using unknown substances is growing and ugly talk is leaking out. Could it be that some of this HBP relates to hard-to-handle balls and a drive to increase speed of rotation? Let's step out of the box of payback and send-'em-a-message for just one second. Slips happen.

  • @thomasdavi8801
    @thomasdavi8801 Před 2 lety

    I like what both you and Jomboy do. Happy to subscribe!

  • @guywebster8018
    @guywebster8018 Před 2 lety +1

    And how you can agree with this is quite questionable.. Js

  • @dragontm1090
    @dragontm1090 Před 2 lety +3

    yep little leauge park lol

    • @donziperk
      @donziperk Před 2 lety

      With children for fans.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Před 7 měsíci

      So the Jays don't have the same chances to score in a "little league park"?

  • @Stormsfury777
    @Stormsfury777 Před 2 lety +3

    Such a Grey area in that game. Donaldson is a former MVP with the Bluejays.. it was stated from broadcasts with the grip issues with with baseballs, and both sides having control issues with such. Game's tied, why intentionally hit someone to put the lead run on base. Crazy almost no win situation to determine actual intent or lack of

  • @Fire5485
    @Fire5485 Před 2 lety +4

    I usually come to this page for the real view, and I like that defense of the umpires happens here. It definitely always gives a different viewpoint to Jomboy ("Uh, I don't know what the rule is, but I think the umpire screwed up." -Seems to be a line in every one of his videos.) Occasionally, however, it does seem like you go overboard trying to explain the umpire's actions away. This was a bad call to eject. (From a Braves fan. No dog in this fight.)

    • @holmj12
      @holmj12 Před 2 lety

      In their defense, they did say thst they thought the umpires were wrong
      I don't think they explained away the umpires but tried to explain that the umpires aren't completely brainless because there was a small amount of evidence that it was intentional

    • @critter2
      @critter2 Před 2 lety

      no they didn't stop making excuses

    • @critter2
      @critter2 Před 2 lety

      the fact you watch jomboy say everything

    • @Fire5485
      @Fire5485 Před 2 lety

      @@critter2 I had a viewpoint and I expressed it. I thought too much of the video was used to say "Well, they might have done it because of this reason, or that reason. Maybe they did have a good reason." While I appreciate avoiding bashing on the umpires, I thought the video would be much better with a short and simple, "We don't know what other information they had that may have changed the call, but from outside appearances, I believe this hit by pitch was not intentional." Overall, I love the content here and hope that Lindsay keeps up the great work!

  • @TonyChaney
    @TonyChaney Před 2 lety

    Marquez told Garcia, “Number 93 of Toronto, YOU’RE OUTTA HERE!!!”

  • @robgap2291
    @robgap2291 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow, umpires were pretty awful in this game

    • @Scotty_Elgin_Nunn
      @Scotty_Elgin_Nunn Před 2 lety

      They have been awful all over the leauge but they seem to have issues with Toronto this year

  • @g.b.174
    @g.b.174 Před 2 lety

    Where's our video game sound at 3:55 for "get his money worth" we love that about this channel!! :)

  • @SuperMutant2099
    @SuperMutant2099 Před 2 lety

    This was so bad that everyone. Yankees announcers, fans, and even Boone are all like WTF

  • @mattmeagher365
    @mattmeagher365 Před 2 lety +1

    Umpires are out of control!

  • @kevindavis8175
    @kevindavis8175 Před 2 lety

    I wonder what prompted MLB to implement the rule where the umps had to confer before making decisions on warnings or ejections. It seems like the immediate reaction by the home plate ump was necessary.

  • @michaelfalkner1186
    @michaelfalkner1186 Před 2 lety

    CCS: What would you think of ejecting the manager at all times, whether warnings are given or not, if a pitcher of theirs is ejected for an intentional HBP? (I know it's in the rules (and it usually happens anyway, like here (though this one took longer than most!)) -- I'd like to see it become mandatory.)
    My only wonder with the umps on this one is: Why an 0-1 pitch instead of the first pitch?

    • @Ghostrider6A
      @Ghostrider6A Před 2 lety +1

      Managers are allowed to get an explanation and generally are given a slightly longer leash to make a point. Coaches, especially when they have a history of getting ejected over HBP, are to be seen and not heard. Hence why CC Marquez immediately ejected PC Walker off the bench while having a conversation with MGR Montoyo.

  • @parkercarter3917
    @parkercarter3917 Před 2 lety +2

    I believe the umpires are just putting an end to their jobs even faster.

    • @jpvanden1
      @jpvanden1 Před 2 lety

      Yeah, because a robot is going to be able to tell the intent of a pitch....... Oh wait, it's not.

    • @parkercarter3917
      @parkercarter3917 Před 2 lety

      @@jpvanden1 the computers will be used to call balls and strikes. There will still be umpires in the field. Just not behind the plate. I would prefer real umpires calling the balls and strikes, but they need to get over their grudges with certain players and be more consistent. All except Angel Hernandez, he’s consistently BAD.

  • @caras2004
    @caras2004 Před 2 lety +1

    The ball slipped out of his hand

  • @stubs96
    @stubs96 Před 2 lety

    these umpires should be ashamed of themselves.

  • @anthonyvega-fujioka4464

    4:20 - that is a big fine and a hefty suspension right there.

  • @ronstark1927
    @ronstark1927 Před 2 lety

    You are wrong they didn't go argue they yelled from the dugout big difference.

  • @Relentlezz41
    @Relentlezz41 Před 2 lety +1

    Crew Chief made this terrible

  • @jessielangston7357
    @jessielangston7357 Před 2 lety

    Some of the umpires learned the rules out of the cracker jack box

  • @justinmartin9000
    @justinmartin9000 Před 2 lety

    You missed a “monies worth” coin sound in this one.

  • @nickv4073
    @nickv4073 Před 2 lety

    What? The hbp's were even at one and one. Its a tie game in the 6th inning. A warning to both sides was all that was needed.

  • @charlie7026
    @charlie7026 Před 2 lety +9

    Umpires too much power B S

  • @jaybingham3711
    @jaybingham3711 Před 2 lety

    If the umps were affirmatively briefed before game, the first hbp should have been an ejection. And then Garcia. If no issues were noted prior to game, both hbp should only have resulted in being on notice after second one with no ejection. Instead, this creates a scenario of "freebie first one." Teams will use that knowledge.

  • @pep590
    @pep590 Před 2 lety +1

    Only in New York.

  • @nelsonvazquez4230
    @nelsonvazquez4230 Před 2 lety

    Listen A.H'S, he hit him cause they hit a home run against him. But being a BLUE JAY fan, we understand you don't like the call. Put yourself on the outside.

  • @brent3611
    @brent3611 Před 2 lety

    Horrible call, mlb umps have been especially horrendous this season..

  • @tylerpierce8272
    @tylerpierce8272 Před 2 lety

    Yankee stadium is smaller than my high school field. I think i was 14 was last time I played on a field that was only 314 to right

  • @thexen3120
    @thexen3120 Před 2 lety +1

    The Benidorm of the doubt absolutely should have been used here and instead the crew created a worse situation. Logic and common sense were absent from this and then to run Montoya just destroyed the credibility of that crew. Terrible.

  • @fergl1673
    @fergl1673 Před 2 lety +1

    It's all a crock of shit. This is why the game is loosing thousands of followers. Time for a revamp or the game dies.

  • @brandonmurphy4840
    @brandonmurphy4840 Před 2 lety +1

    If the last one is a proper ejection then EVERYTHING is SOFT! The first ejection was BS. Everything is going soft and this channel sides with the BS 90% of the time

  • @mtnbkr8480
    @mtnbkr8480 Před 2 lety

    This has nothing to do with the players or coaches, it's the umpires trying to get their moment in the spotlight. Coaches and players have to force this issue to be taken up with the league. The Umpires are included in the box score now. F ing ridiculous.

  • @holdthemayo7250
    @holdthemayo7250 Před 2 lety

    Umpires need to be fined for stupid shit like this.

  • @Deke1
    @Deke1 Před 2 lety

    There is nothing that happened, it was a disgraceful decision by the umpires, a tie game and the count was 0-1 to Donaldson, why would he then throw at him.....makes zero sense.

  • @toddstuckey3947
    @toddstuckey3947 Před 2 lety

    Show me in the MLB rule book that you can’t bring up warnings when their in place.

  • @mikek6658
    @mikek6658 Před 2 lety

    The list of rules they decide you are unable to argue or question is authoritarian and ridiculous. It's a cop saying you cant ask why you've been pulled over. Its cowardly

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Před 7 měsíci

      It is perfectly acceptable for a manger to get an explanation from the umpires. It is not acceptable to argue after the manager gets the explanation.

  • @michaelfalkner1186
    @michaelfalkner1186 Před 2 lety +3

    SN announcers: What possible reason?
    HR in the last AB to tie the game.
    History between the teams.

    • @mbdg6810
      @mbdg6810 Před 2 lety +2

      An unfortunate result for one team doesn’t automatically equal they bean the next batter for payback.

    • @parkerdonham6754
      @parkerdonham6754 Před 2 lety

      Let me take a wild-ass guess: Yankee fan?

    • @michaelfalkner1186
      @michaelfalkner1186 Před rokem

      @@parkerdonham6754 Frankly, if I were a Yankee fan, I'd be calling for the catcher to go too (and he got a stop sign, so that was close), and then who knows?

  • @logana5479
    @logana5479 Před 4 měsíci

    Alfonso Marquez and his crew have to be one of the worst umpiring crews in the game. Only Angel Hernandez would make it worse.

  • @the51
    @the51 Před 2 lety +1

    The ump show

  • @DoomBoy2005
    @DoomBoy2005 Před 2 lety

    Surprised the umps didn’t toss Matt Chapman in todays game (5-11) for hitting a sac fly. The situation here in this video was just stupid. Umps ruined the game

  • @MrOBJECTIVEOBSERVER
    @MrOBJECTIVEOBSERVER Před 2 lety

    Lol have you ever said an ejection was incorrect? Like i get they always have the discretion to eject but they completely blew the calls and lost control of this game.

  • @bsdsooner
    @bsdsooner Před 2 lety

    Terrible umpiring. Marquez was obviously hot headed and some of the umpires were putting their hands on the players/managers. They need to start being suspended for this. This situation only escalated because of the incompetent MLB umps.

  • @lewf5685
    @lewf5685 Před 2 lety

    I see an out of control crew. Inconsistent. Are they twos and threes, or threes and fours, or whatever? So one player is more agile and can get out of the way of a wild pitch. Where were the warnings? Thanks again for a great video.

  • @Scott9002ca
    @Scott9002ca Před 2 lety +1

    Blue Jays have a disproportionate amount of ejections lol.

  • @duffyy1
    @duffyy1 Před 2 lety +2

    Awful job by the umps. Really awful and there’s no defending it. Even the YES crew was upset over it.

  • @LBSOfficialBear
    @LBSOfficialBear Před 2 lety

    In all honesty, this new crew "conference" gathering instead of an immediate decision for the umpire to eject a player to me undermines the essence of classic baseball period, and this change is bullshit. It's not football for crying out loud, number one. Second, I get that batters get hit by pitchers whether by accident or on purpose, it's the nature of baseball itself, but that's the beauty of it and it's a point of favoritism if one skipper comes out to influence an umpire to throw a player out. That's completely unfair at that point. Manfred should have been fired a long time ago for this.

  • @snakester9879
    @snakester9879 Před 2 lety

    First MLB needs to fix the screwed up baseball's they have had this season. both batter and pitchers have been making several complaints about it. It's possible that MAYBE that is what happened here.
    Second MLB needs to start allowing for the Teams to file grievances against umpires. As long as there is no way to fine or have umpires suspended for their actions, this will continue on and will only get worse. There's already been plenty of examples just this season alone to make this happen.
    MLB loves to take a look every off season as to how to change the rules and try and make the game better, They should really start looking at the umpires and see what they can change that way too.
    As a side 3rd comment, for me personally I really wish the managers would protest the games more and have it actually mean something, like it can lead to the umpires being investigated, fined, and just like with the players if this happens enough time even suspended without pay. Whether that means a single umpire or the whole crew for that game/series.
    The rare times that manager goes out and actually does make an official protest, it amounts to nothing. To be clear, by protesting I don't mean just by going out and arguing the situation.
    I mean when the umpire has to actually turn around in front home plate and make the P sign.

    • @alanhess9306
      @alanhess9306 Před 2 lety

      Curiously, MLB has created a rule that does not allow protests. Very strange, because it does hold umpires accountable.

  • @linollieum3742
    @linollieum3742 Před 2 lety

    The pitcher definitely seems like he lost this ball. You can see his throwing motion ends up all wonky. I feel like pitchers are going to start throwing at players on purpose and then act all apologetic, because this pitcher just moves on casually from hitting the batter, but if he acted all upset about hitting the guy, he probably doesn't get tossed.

  • @periculumesse1525
    @periculumesse1525 Před 2 lety +1

    This is how MLB ends this cycle of hitting batters. If you hit a batter, you get ejected, if there are not obvious mitigating circumstances. Donaldson was plunked. It was not a knuckle ball; it was not raining. Nope, tossing the pitcher was the way to end it.