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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • Still troubleshooting the crank no start on the Paccar mx13.

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  • @michaelmcdonald6727
    @michaelmcdonald6727 Před 8 měsíci +44

    Hey Warren, if anybody can get this POS running you can. I guess it’s just going to be another learning experience! Thanks much for checking in with us.

    • @williegillie5712
      @williegillie5712 Před 8 měsíci

      What a nightmare those piccar engines. You’re the best Warren .

  • @roadsideservice2406
    @roadsideservice2406 Před 8 měsíci +10

    Air bag job is almost therapeutic in comparison. I wish you the best on this

  • @snarfsnarf092
    @snarfsnarf092 Před 8 měsíci +20

    I feel your pain Warren, that kind of a mess keeps a guy up at night. I have no doubt you'll get it figured though.

  • @Mike44460
    @Mike44460 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Back in the mid-1980s, I was struggling with a computer program problem for days. I finally got the needed information to get it working. I have never forgotten the solution to this day. Warren, when you get to the bottom of this, you'll never forget it, trust me.

  • @sidco8780
    @sidco8780 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Hello Warren. I work with Paccar a lot. If you said that it is running on ether than obviously timing is good as it is very simple to set up. Batteries and starter are not he case , IMHO. I am sure it is fuel issue. If you did not do before , try to verify if you do not have too much fuel going to return. Cylinder head has two threaded holes. If you would have necessary plugs and banjo bolts, you can plug rear one, open in front of the head, and with transparent hose and banjo bolt plug it and verify if you have excessive fuel running out, also if you have air coming from it, what can be caused by combustion gases running in it due any to loose fuel injector. I have a feeling it is either too much fuel in return or air in return.
    Wish you to best of luck!

  • @CHudson4
    @CHudson4 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Warren. I’m a Kenworth Master Tech. I’ve only seen something like this happen once, and what it ended up being was dirty fuel system components blocking fuel passages. I would consider taking the high pressure lines and injectors out and thoroughly cleaning everything. I don’t doubt that you did a good job keeping everything clean when you took it apart and reassembled, but that’s the symptom I’ve seen that caused this issue

  • @mikemorse8592
    @mikemorse8592 Před 8 měsíci +11

    Just got done messing with an international DT heui that cranked good but wouldn’t start put the jump pack on it and boom it would light. Had a couple bad batteries. Fought a paccar a while back did a head on it but could not get it to start. Went through crank no start troubleshooting on RMI ended up isolating the high pressure pumps one at a time. Cap one off and crank if no start cap the other and try again which ever pump it started on the other one was bad. Long story short found one bad pumping unit. I will preface that with the fact I did not have good rail pressure which you seem to. If you need any info from paccar RMI let me know for as bad as DAVIE is the RMI is pretty solid. If I have time in the morning I’ll scan through that crank no start tree I believe it had some steps in there for timing verification. But it might just be checking the synchronization data pid

    • @westerntruckandtractorrepa1353
      @westerntruckandtractorrepa1353  Před 8 měsíci +3

      Thank you

    • @mikemorse8592
      @mikemorse8592 Před 8 měsíci

      I did verify this morning that it directs you to verify timing with the synchronization pid on davie and if engine has signs of recent timing related work to verify base engine timing…… which we all know what that means off comes the rear structure:/

  • @user-xv2yb2oy4q
    @user-xv2yb2oy4q Před 8 měsíci +1

    I feel like I’m waiting on the edge of my seat for the next episode. Finding out how you solve this is like waiting to see who shot JR… lol. Thanks for the update and video..

  • @peterjackson9831
    @peterjackson9831 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Excessive starter draw is one of the most overlooked problems I've seen in 45 years as a heavy equipment mechanic. Most engines need to reach a target cranking speed to allow the ecm to fire the injectors. Trust your basic skills and don't overcomplicate it. Cheers bud

  • @TsunauticusIV
    @TsunauticusIV Před 8 měsíci +13

    I remember working on a Paccar years ago and we had a crank but no start. It started up at first like yours and then died. It ended up taking over 100 pumps to get the thing to fire. We had to prime FOREVER to get fuel into it and get enough pressure in it to run. I doubt your issue is the same because of your other issues but I wanted to share my displeasure with working on Paccar. I also remember them being VERY sensitive to voltage drop too. A battery on the fritz would prevent them from running. Put the batteries in another vehicle and get another two years out of the batteries. Idk might be sometime strange like wiring that was damaged during the work or maybe something as crazy as a tone ring being backwards. I know you’ll find the issue tho. You always do. You’re no quitter.

    • @marklowe330
      @marklowe330 Před 8 měsíci

      I'm with you on tone rings could be it. I picked up on the uneven crank and keep thinking that's the sign of the problem. He said it would fire on either, and to do that you bypass the tone rings.

    • @notiangraham6600
      @notiangraham6600 Před 8 měsíci

      I agree with this. Definitely on to something

  • @RobertYoutsey
    @RobertYoutsey Před 8 měsíci +6

    Keep on keeping on! Appreciate you keeping us updated. Thanks

  • @richardlincoln8438
    @richardlincoln8438 Před 8 měsíci +6

    What an unholy mess. You will figure it out Warren, You always do. Best Wishes to You and Your Family.

  • @mikelombardy6760
    @mikelombardy6760 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I just watched ZK MasterTech last night and he worked on a Deere tractor with a Cummins and he changed the high pressure fuel pump and that wasn’t the problem. In the end it was the starter not spinning fast enough. Love the videos!

  • @AmosMosesJr
    @AmosMosesJr Před 8 měsíci +2

    Hi Warren I just wanted to take the time to say I really appreciate your content. So many CZcamsrs become successful and no longer are relatable. One guy started making a bs racecar. I worked for a man like yourself for one summer. I really miss those days. God must have a place set for people like yourself.

  • @user-zy2jx3co9e
    @user-zy2jx3co9e Před 8 měsíci +6

    I ran into one that ran me around terrible. Same exact symptoms. Ended up being a compression seal on an injector that would push air in the system from the return side right into the high pressure pump unit.
    Hope this helps!

    • @jeffderus1668
      @jeffderus1668 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yes this is likely. Hard to tell from the video if his truck has the return blender on top. If not the air bubbles would go back to the tank.

  • @matkremzar5474
    @matkremzar5474 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Can't wait to hear results Warren... hopefully someone's two cents out here helps out ... best of luck!

  • @thebiggerman6975
    @thebiggerman6975 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I feel your pain my friend,I started at age 27 as a mechanic for the USPS,back in the day we pulled a red knob and cable to shut down the engine,simple,didnt even need a battery to run,over 37 years we tried them all Mack Volvo Ford International ,every model a bigger pain in the ass.In my last few years no soft ware to use and take them to the dealer , check engine lites back on before I even made it back to our garage, International dealer just told me run them till they de rate ,they could not repair them .Then comes this Cummins knock off PACCAR, king of the DEF problems. Well, I retired cause I couldnt repair anything , best regards ,enjoy your vids

  • @skyarcdiesel2024
    @skyarcdiesel2024 Před 8 měsíci +1

    It was very hard to find any Paccar repair related materials online few years back but you were one of the very few if not the only one who actually posted such videos which got me and lot of us inspired and kindda give us a starting path to dig deeper into those paccars that I call "Nightmare engines". You are truly a Genius by fact Warren, and no one can take that away from you. Please keep going we all need you boss! I worked on few MX13 with the same exact problems. If you haven't done it, I would check 2 things: The injectors and the battery fuses. Hope this can help and good luck bro !

  • @butchphillips873
    @butchphillips873 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I had a problem with a freightliner not starting. Simular slow and uneven crank. Battery harness through chassis was the problem. Just old dirty cable conections. cheers and keep on with the vidios. Very informative.

  • @YOU-vj4fl
    @YOU-vj4fl Před 8 měsíci +2

    I’m with ya Warren,you will succeed on this pos, you will benefit,I believe,Thks for keeping us up to date on this. I got 2 buddies that watched for the first time recently,I’m gonna hang in there.

  • @thomasstewart9368
    @thomasstewart9368 Před 8 měsíci +2

    My 2000 7.3 powerstroke did the same thing to me. Wouldn't start - installed 2 - new batteries - no start - cranked better but no start. Change starter and fired right up. I always thought (like you said) the old starter dragged down the voltage to a point the ecm. Didn't know what to do. 👍

  • @prostkr
    @prostkr Před 8 měsíci

    I had one come in with a smoked lifter that looked like yours, turned out the cam lobe spun on the cam. they are pressed together from pieces, not one solid piece like a guy would think. Luckily after the cam swap it did fire up and run afterward. Good luck, cant wait to see what you find.

  • @colin.nelson
    @colin.nelson Před 8 měsíci

    Warren, such a knowledge base you have, and work ethics. Truly a great guy a++++++

  • @Graveltrucking
    @Graveltrucking Před 8 měsíci +5

    Sounds like voltage drop to the ECM, with these newer trucks bad batteries sure fvcks things up, get a bad starter drawing too much juice the voltage is dropping the ECM starts cutting out. Watching your videos over the years makes me glad I don't live in the land of strict emissions regulations here in BC Canada we can still run a truck with a Green Grenade 😂 I sure as shit won't be buying a used truck with a Paccar engine.

  • @Stevehofer6
    @Stevehofer6 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Needles to say you've been dealt a tough hand but as they say when going gets tough the tough get going .. 💪

  • @philglover2973
    @philglover2973 Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks for your time and consideration Warren very informative 👍🔧🛠️🚛🚛🚛

  • @terrellscaife2411
    @terrellscaife2411 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Yeah, I’m experiencing a similar situation when you do everything you throw all your weapons at it and it still doesn’t work, search in the Internet searching CZcams looking for some kind of help but it’s not there because you’re in a unique situation so it’s a feeling of being defeated it gives a feeling of when it’s somebody else’s stuff The possibility of losing your reputation of being unable to solve the problem is overwhelming at times

  • @terryrogers1025
    @terryrogers1025 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Wish the best for you on this one Warren, wished I could help out, but if this thing has you stumped at this time, I sure as shootin don’t stand a chance at helping, the thing I would be willing to bet is that it probably something simple and in no way would you suspect it. Thanks for the update sir.

  • @venator6085
    @venator6085 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Also quick and simple thing to try. Hook a jumper cable from the block to the negative on batt. Just in case the ecm grounds somewhere on the block and you missed it

  • @pedroperez9521
    @pedroperez9521 Před 8 měsíci +2

    When cracking, monitor common rail operating state, engine operating state, and engine mode might help. Wow this is a good case.
    Last time I was working on a MX and fuel pressure (Relative) was below 5psi, the cause was a torn seal inside the fuel filter element.

  • @calumanderson5617
    @calumanderson5617 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Just read some of comments Warren, just hope one of them is the answer, I would of fixed it with a stick of dynamite by now, thank you for the video Warren.👍

  • @JD-zm4eh
    @JD-zm4eh Před 8 měsíci +1

    Wishing you success as always Warren.

  • @caroldolliver7314
    @caroldolliver7314 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Usually the more complicated the problem is the less complicated the fix

  • @georgepelletier179
    @georgepelletier179 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Good Morning. In your first video you showed BLACK STUFF in the fuel filters. You also state that the common rail pressure is high. That is usually Combustion Carbon getting into the fuel due to faulty injectors stuck open. Also combustion pressure would cause high common rail pressure. I would check the injectors.

    • @user-kw6zf1cq9f
      @user-kw6zf1cq9f Před 8 měsíci +1

      I believe there was a tsb on this, and it correlated to the P0094 original code that was generated. Over time the combustion seals where injector meets the head start to leak and that causes air in high pressure side of system which messes with rail pressure and fuel pressure control valve adjusting properly for demand when engine state is in “unit pump control” mode. Also causes hard starts and black filters like you stated

  • @lucmarchand617
    @lucmarchand617 Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you warren explain about one client war stories.i got same problems couple years ago here calgary alberta on pipeline job.i got t800 kw c15 won't yup.they start change fuel pump,injector so on.i said" stop is not fuel systems send cat dealer finning"well after one weeks huge suprise the wiring on ecm was shot due chemical they on highway in ontario in winter.they replace ecm wiring up to dash inside everything back oem systems yes.huge job but no more problems.with egr and ecm people must take courage both hand like you warren.thanks you video put real world of hd mechanic.😊

  • @scottb8175
    @scottb8175 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Hi Warren. I used to measure the starter amps before deciding to replace starter or batteries. I had the Snap-On AVR that could inductive measure 3000 or so amps. After load testing each battery separately, I'd put the amp clamp as close to the starter as I could to measure the draw. The draw would initially spike at 1200-1500 amps cold (12V starter) and drop down to about 600-800 continuous cranking amps. Any more than that, and the starter is junk. If memory serves, the ECM should stay above 9V. at continuous cranking speed, 10 V would be better.

    • @rovidius2006
      @rovidius2006 Před 8 měsíci

      One i worked on starts with very weak batteries , when measuring voltage drop for slow cranking i found problems with short battery cables and oxidation ,measure voltage drop with ignition on in the battery box from each post to the other end ,few milliamps less than 5 is ok , lost or loose ground stands out ,i once had similar issue that got fix by adding ground wire to the ground side of the cam sensor ,stretched wires ,liquid in cam connectors can kill weak signals . Check the camshaft sensor connections and wiring, visually inspect for issues, and use a DAVIE monitor to check the cam-crank signal value when starting the engine ,if you can see what computer sees its much easier ,tone wheel backwards ? hitting one cylinder only...

  • @biastv1234
    @biastv1234 Před 8 měsíci

    I feel your pain . Good luck

  • @blakesoper4960
    @blakesoper4960 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Thank you for sharing, was checking all day yesterday for an update on this case, what a nigtmare.
    Had a sterling with mercedes mbe 4000, tech in the shop was doing a clutch and when he put the flywheel back on he didnt get the dowel in the crank lined up. Cant remember if it was throwing codes but it would start and then die immediately everytime. We were able to verify by going to TDC mark on the flywheel and seeing that valves on 1 and 6 were not right.
    I would think if you had flywheel installed wrong and then ran complete overhead off flywheel marks, you would have more obvious compression / interference issues, not sure.
    I noticed from last video while watching sync that it sounds like even cranking for a revolution or two, then when it syncs, the uneven cranking starts and is consistent like one or two cylinders trying to fire every time.
    Oscilloscope on cam and crank signals should catch a sensor timing issue, lots of good cases like timing marks off by one cam gear tooth on gassers from scanner danner, south main auto, watch wes work.

  • @glennmiller9031
    @glennmiller9031 Před 8 měsíci

    Hang in there Warren. You'll figure it out.

  • @twistin140
    @twistin140 Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks Warren! keep us updated to what you find.

  • @seananderson5601
    @seananderson5601 Před 8 měsíci +3

    If you get a scope, you can use that log truck to get a known good waveform of the cam and crank sensors. Then compare to your no start. That will tell you if your out of time without having to pull the trans.

    • @ronaldlarue1107
      @ronaldlarue1107 Před 8 měsíci

      Bet theirs someone in the automotive youtube community that could come scope them for him right now

  • @scrotiemcboogerballs1981
    @scrotiemcboogerballs1981 Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks for the update buddy I got faith you will find out what is happening 🙏

  • @dewaynehahn6873
    @dewaynehahn6873 Před 8 měsíci

    You are on the right track of cranking speed and voltage while cranking. That uneven crank could be a leaky injector slobering in fuel with no impluse. Good luck man i feel your pain and have been there.

  • @user-kt1xp6yn6s
    @user-kt1xp6yn6s Před 8 měsíci +3

    There is equal levels of audio on L &R channels when Warren is overdubbing so it's more than likely a camera problem that the L channel is barely audible at other times.

  • @edwardreyes6867
    @edwardreyes6867 Před 8 měsíci +2

    You said you adjusted the overhead on the TDC mark. Cylinders 1 and 6 are adjusted when on the 1/6 mark on the flywheel NOT on the TDC mark. The TDC mark is only used to time the gears. However I don’t believe that would cause a Crank/No Start.
    Very interested in how this plays out. Will be checking in.

  • @justinmize4316
    @justinmize4316 Před 8 měsíci

    Pine hollow auto diagnostics needs to give ya a hand. He is a wiz at that computer diagnostics and figuring those issues out.

  • @airbats801
    @airbats801 Před 8 měsíci

    Warren, I'm a millwright for 16 years that rebuilds power plants, and honestly. I'm glad I don't do you. You're one helluva guy!

  • @dougschreier154
    @dougschreier154 Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks for another great video Warren, I know you will get it figured out.

  • @douglasmayherjr.5733
    @douglasmayherjr.5733 Před 8 měsíci +19

    I hate when you get wrapped up in a project like this, you just have to stick your head down and power through it. Any chance the wiring could be off to the injectors or pumping units? I’m hoping it’s a bad starter or batteries, so you can get the darn thing out of the shop and back on the road. This is definitely one we will all remember. It sucks when you’re under the black cloud. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us, Warren.

  • @AussieJohn-vv5gl
    @AussieJohn-vv5gl Před 8 měsíci +6

    Hi Warren, You are an amazing mechanic and I have learnt so much from your videos so thanks for your postings from me here in Australia. Just a couple of thoughts for you to ponder. If the engine started and ran at first start, your timing must be OK so you can possibly not go down that path. You also note that the fuel rail pressure is 4,700 psi which is 1,100 psi (33%) above set value (3,600 psi) and that the engine has uneven cranking with the sensors plugged in and the cranking returns to normal when the speed connectors are disconnected indicating that the ECM is detecting the engine is rotating. Is it possible that the ECM has detected an excessively high fuel rail pressure and will not inject (start the engine) as it knows that it will not be able to control engine speed as the actual injected fuel quantity will be much higher than the calculated amount (1.85 grams/cycle) because the calculated fuel injection amount is based on a fuel rail pressure of 3,600 psi and an injector open cycle time of X at that cranking speed and the ECM probably can't compensate for the higher fuel rail pressure? It may be possible that each time the engine attempts to fire (uneven cranking) that the ECM detects the rotational speed of the engine (crankshaft acceleration) is faster than it should for the amount of fuel it is injecting and stops the engine from starting.

  • @86lowrider
    @86lowrider Před 8 měsíci +3

    I’ve been watching you for a long time. I think you had 30-40,000 subs at that time. I don’t remember a video where you were more stumped than this one. I’m sure you’ve had head scratchers before. One thing I’ve learned in your videos, the harder that thing fights you the harder you’re going to bite down. Like pay dirt says “Jeff wins” so will Warren. 👍

    • @FixItStupid
      @FixItStupid Před 8 měsíci

      Here That Only Parts Order's Make Warren This Upset

  • @billdornan4379
    @billdornan4379 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hi Warren. Figured something was up. Kindest regards,Bill 🇨🇦🇨🇦

  • @MrCrabbing
    @MrCrabbing Před 8 měsíci

    Sounds like a good shout on the batteries, had a 24 volt truck that wouldn't start but turned over a bit slow when I removed the batteries and tested them one was good and the other was poor, hope you get it nailed today.

  • @crautoguy8384
    @crautoguy8384 Před 8 měsíci

    I had a 6.0 power stroke one time I was trying to diagnose and I replaced cam and crank sensor at the same time and I could not because of the angle for some reason get the o ring to seat all the way on the crank sensor and it would not start but it had good signal On my Snap on Vantage graphing meter An scan data said it had can crank sync. I even suspected that and took it in and out a few times got frustrated finally one of my co-workers For some reason was able to pull that crank sensor back out and put it in correctly and it started I felt like an idiot Maybe something to check sensor to Reluctor ring gap too big on one of the sensors so unplug one fires on default? It's always the last thing you check keep up the good Work buddy I feel your pain I hate stuff like that All you wanna do is see it go down the road

  • @rogerhowell6230
    @rogerhowell6230 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I remember a CAT 3176 that wouldn't start. The tone ring was on the cam backwards. Doesn't sound like yours can be wrong. Good Luck.

  • @billbooth4147
    @billbooth4147 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I had a ford tractor like that one time uneven crank wouldn’t start you could bench test the starter and it showed good,batteries were good but a new starter fixed it

  • @anthonymurillo6117
    @anthonymurillo6117 Před 8 měsíci

    Had a similar issue after I did a cylinder head on a paccar mx13, the injectors went bad supposedly due to lack of prime they told me. I had that same hiccups you are having when you are cranking, I pit a six pack in it. Primed fuel system and it fire right up.

  • @CrimeVid
    @CrimeVid Před 8 měsíci +1

    I feel for you mate, you’ll get it in the end.

  • @charlesb4267
    @charlesb4267 Před 8 měsíci +1

    A bad set of batteries can sure drag down the voltage/amperage output even with boosting as they act like a sponge and won't let the power through. Also as I am sure you know, bad batteries cause starter/solenoid contacts arc/burn and end up having to change out the starter or at least solenoid as a result. This year I had struggles with my 2005 Pete with a C15, first the ECM shit the bed right on the scales of a seed cleaning plant ... truck was running and then it died as it sat there idling. Fortunately there is a well versed mechanic not far away and got him over there and he plugs in his laptop and said power is getting to your ECM but the ECM has shit the bed as its not communicating. He had a spare test ECM and put that on and it fires right up. When I had a chance I dropped the truck off to him and he put a reman ECM on and had to do some programming etc as the old ECM parameter info was corrupted. I asked what he though of its cranking speed and he said it was "ok" but not really what it could be. I had changed out the batteries four years prior ( 4 battery system ) and some months later I had some issues with slow cranking and I checked the tightness of the battery nuts and sure enough they were way too loose now and so I re-tighten and this went on and on with every so often having to re-tighten all the nuts on the batteries ... it was like the lead was soft and would not hold a torque. This spring after that ECM issue I checked the battery connections ... this fall just before harvest did it again. Well a few weeks later in close to the end of harvest the truck was giving fits because it would not restart sometimes after just having been run, would crank over ok but no sign of trying to fire ... piss around thinking the breaker in the cab for the ECM might be bad etc or its the ECM again or a crank sensor but anyway then it would decide to start a few minutes later. And then I think I finally figured it out, it was those darned battery connections once again and up to that point did not realize that the ECM gets its main power direct from the battery box with a 30 amp maxi fuse in the box ( its all under the passenger seat in this Pete, always saw the fuse but never knew what it powered ) as tightening the connections "again" which fixed the issue and the very lug that the positive wire for the ECM power feed fuse was really loose and my "uh huh" moment. I had also talked to that mechanic about the issue and my concern over not all that snappy of a cranking speed and he said bypass those two battery disconnects out of the system that the original owner had installed. I did that and wow, does it ever crank over a lot faster by ear now and that was with the very same batteries. Never the less I had enough of all that bull crap of the battery connections being loose every time I turned around so I installed four new batteries of a different brand and and it never missed a beat late in the fall hauling grain to the grain elevators. Its very possible that those batteries cost me that ECM failure due to low voltage from poor connections damaging it, I will never know that though.

  • @TheAde71
    @TheAde71 Před 8 měsíci +1

    The company I used to work for here in the UK ran DAF trucks and basically if the batteries were low all sorts of warning lights would come on

  • @rocketzbak6322
    @rocketzbak6322 Před 8 měsíci

    I recently had a liebherr engine in a loader have this same problem the uneven crank was the injectors being shut off and back on. I had tried the same thing with the cam and crank sensors. Other liebherr I could unplug the crank and it would start. The teeth on the flywheel had a gap at TDC and one of the teeth on one side of the gap had a groove in it and that sensor would see it a shut the injectors off. I changed the flywheel and it started

  • @nathanmarshall9951
    @nathanmarshall9951 Před 8 měsíci +1

    man! cant wait to hear the solution!

  • @sudd2685
    @sudd2685 Před 8 měsíci

    Sorry Warren, hang in there, you will sort it out, thank you for your videos.

  • @anthonysova7117
    @anthonysova7117 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hey Warren Man o man what a problem I think you went over any and all possible problems This is my 2 cents before you change out the batteries do a voltage drop test on the starter neg and positive you’ll know in a few minutes a simple fast check. Good luck Warren CHEERS

  • @user-kw6zf1cq9f
    @user-kw6zf1cq9f Před 8 měsíci

    If you suspect a bad injector you can also plug the rail one cylinder at a time until it starts or the lope goes away to isolate the suspect injector. It sounds like it’s one or possibly 2 cylinders while your cranking. It’s a way to do a mechanical cut out.

  • @ronaldlarue1107
    @ronaldlarue1107 Před 8 měsíci

    Been thinking about you for couple days ive been there and know the feeling

  • @obiecanobie919
    @obiecanobie919 Před 8 měsíci

    Check injector pulse on all injectors ,if plugged or shorted it can pull ecm down ,led probe

  • @DieselProductions95
    @DieselProductions95 Před 8 měsíci

    These do the same in the DAF XF 105 trucks. Your injectors are air locked.... one if firing that's why you have an uneven crank. I always change one fuel filter at a time when there in for a service. Hope this heps

  • @roughwater3454
    @roughwater3454 Před 8 měsíci

    Fascinating, maybe try a completely separate battery up on the frame rail. Just to power the ECM, something not effected by starting circuit. I thought this crap only happened to me. Good luck

  • @NerveLindsay4187
    @NerveLindsay4187 Před 8 měsíci

    Wish I knew the answer / Thank for the Video Warren 👍

  • @nicholasherman8155
    @nicholasherman8155 Před 8 měsíci +2

    So I’ve only seen it one time but try unhooking the exhaust pipe at the turbo and try to start it again. Had a maxxforce dt466 that had a dpf so plugged that it would crank slow and wouldn’t start tho it wanted to for just a second at the beginning of each crank cycle. Good luck. I know you’ll get it sooner than later

    • @Mercmad
      @Mercmad Před 8 měsíci

      Been there,done that . I could get the engine to run and idle but the exhaust was 🔥 hot . The front can had collapsed in the front ,blocking the damn thing .

  • @trail457
    @trail457 Před hodinou

    Ihad a similar problem with a JD. It wouldnot bleedproperly. Found the return line restricted at the pump.

  • @bat__bat
    @bat__bat Před 8 měsíci +1

    Call Haggai Truck Center in Griffin Georgia. They are an independent shop that works on tons of trucks. They might have run into this problem before. They normally don't mind troubleshooting over the phone. I'd say call a paccar dealership but they wouldn't know as much as an independent shop.

  • @Ivansgarage
    @Ivansgarage Před 8 měsíci

    I think you are right, when cranking if battery goes to low ecm will shut down, I had this problem with my ford 6 cylinder pickup, crank and crank no start, could not believe it, new battery, wow back to normal.. one would think if you can crank and crank battery okay.... nope

  • @johnwesner3935
    @johnwesner3935 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Hey Warren, this summer I ran into an issue on my recently rebuilt gas engine. Couldn't figure out what the heck happened but shed start but has to power. Seemed to be timing. I checked everything including inspecting and replacing the timing gears and chain. Nothing 😞! After several days of on and off I finally found my new distributor failed internally throwing the timing off. I've never seen anything like it. I guess the point is you can't rule anything out . I know the knee to the balls feeling!😢

  • @rogerhowell6230
    @rogerhowell6230 Před 8 měsíci +4

    CAT ECM's require 9 volts minimum to start the engine.

  • @derrickfranz3488
    @derrickfranz3488 Před 8 měsíci

    Hey Warren, long time subscriber and appreciate all the videos.
    I’ve had slobering injectors bite me in the butt a few times. Your first video when you posted your desired vs actual rail pressure values point to a bad injector or two in my opinion. If it will start on ether and run on its own I’d bet my money it’s worth a check! I’m sure you could do a fuel leakage or return rate test to confirm this.
    Another reason being if your fuel pump took a crap could have shot garbage down to the injectors
    That being said I don’t know much about pacar engines. Just hope you get er figured out we’ve all been in this position before I’m sure I feel for ya!

    • @derrickfranz3488
      @derrickfranz3488 Před 8 měsíci

      Sorry watched your last video over again and got it backwards. Maybe check your rail pressure sensor/wiring if you have 1700 psi before you start cranking. Can’t say I’ve ever seen rail pressure that high… couple hundred psi is believable but 1700 seems odd to me. On a cummins you could unplug fuel control actuator to test that theory. Again not sure on paccars.
      Hope you read this good luck!

  • @chrischris1782
    @chrischris1782 Před 8 měsíci +3

    seems like the only part changed that could cause problems would be the cam? could there be a problem with the new cam? are there any differences with the tone wheel the sensor reads? teeth shape or spacing? could you supply the truck electrical system a different way to get more voltage to the computer while cranking? could you measure the battery voltage at the computer on the positive and negative and see exactly what voltage the computer is getting while cranking? a lot of meters can log minimum and maximum. just a few ideas for you to ponder.

  • @Terry-Tibbs
    @Terry-Tibbs Před 8 měsíci

    The Professional Struggler sent me over to your Bloody Good channel
    Whooop Whoop

  • @johndavidstutts
    @johndavidstutts Před 8 měsíci

    I have seen a mx13 out of time far enough that you could fire it on ether but would not start unassisted. It really seems like it's out a tooth or two. I am actually replacing a cam in one today. Watching CZcams vids on my lunch.

  • @FreedomMotorsports-uu2uu
    @FreedomMotorsports-uu2uu Před 8 měsíci +1

    Warren, you are smart man. I don’t believe it’s a timing issue. Everything you say makes sense. I’m with you on the cranking rpm. You brought up a 7.3 not starting because of low voltage. I’ve had a 6.0 not start because of a locked up a/c compressor clutch. Cranked fine. Removed belt fired right up. Just an idea. Not trying to sound stupid. But might be worth your while if you haven’t looked. Keep on keeping on man

  • @camerontempleton8898
    @camerontempleton8898 Před 8 měsíci +3

    If your timing was off wouldn’t you have a compression issue? Could you test compression? Maybe Using a scope to check injector pulse to crank sensor signals…Hopefully it’s just a battery issue… Good luck!

  • @bummpryttrhcbdg
    @bummpryttrhcbdg Před 8 měsíci

    Great job Warren

  • @Diglo1
    @Diglo1 Před 8 měsíci +1

    If this one has electronic injectors then it is likely shorting injector. You saw that excess pressure build up so it is likely doing that because it won't inject. I am just guessing as are other people, but it makes sense. See if it is possible to unplug injectors one at a time.

    • @FixItStupid
      @FixItStupid Před 8 měsíci

      Right & @ The Coil Injector Check

  • @brandonmiller3054
    @brandonmiller3054 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Any possibility it could be an injector return pressure issue? I really know very little about that engine specifically, but some common rail diesels need positive pressure in injector return to fire injectors. If air is introduced into such a system, it can be almost impossible to get started without using shop air to slightly pressurize return circuit. I'm talking specifically about the lml duramax engine that uses piezoelectric injectors. Like I said it may not apply to this engine. Love your content man and sure hope you get it figured out soon!

    • @norb0254
      @norb0254 Před 8 měsíci +2

      I have been working on the PACCAR product and the MX engine since it came out ,,I have had that issue ,It is injectors,, Normally a cleanliness issue ,,It starts runs for a min if you lucky cuts out and doesn;t start again ,,He also has too high a rail pressure from what is demanded by the ECM ,And the Pump correction is in the high negative figures as the pumps are trying to lower the pressure ,So the fuel is at the injector as there is pressure ,it sounds like 1 or 2 injectors are working ,But he won't listen and is getting himself confused chasing things that are not there

    • @rovidius2006
      @rovidius2006 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@norb0254 Did he mention that engine run with either cam or crank sensor disconnected ? I've seen a shorted pressure rail sensor bring down computer throwing multiple other codes , disconnected all sensor till engine resumed operation ,codes did little to no help in finding out the problem .

    • @norb0254
      @norb0254 Před 8 měsíci

      @@rovidius2006 if i remember correctly there is no codes .I think it initally started and then cut out and has not run since...He mention the ECM requested say 300 bar and there was 500 bar at the rail ( the figures i made up as i can not remember what he said they where ) and he had a high negative correction ..It does sound like 1 or 2 injectors are firing ..I have been working on these engines since they where launched back in i think 2006 when it had 6 pump units ,till todays common rail set up...The engines will run with either just a cam or crank sensor but he say his are synchronised when spinning it over..As a rule 99% of the time if you have no warnings/codes the electrics are ok ( there is always that 1 situation when you get no codes and it is electrical lol ) But with no codes active or stored ,that says to me it is a good old mechanical fault ..I have looked at the troubleshooting and from what he says for a non start especially after major work it is the injectors .I am in the uk dealer network and i am currently doing a camshaft a week i am currently on number 26 and have 2 waiting and have personally never had an issue ,it is all about cleanliness .putting caps on ports ,i strip and clean the filter housing before putting it back on

    • @rovidius2006
      @rovidius2006 Před 8 měsíci

      @@norb0254 Air locks ? fuel pressure relief valve should purge air out but if plugged injectors themselves would purge air out taking long cranking time ,air is springy ,some defects are sometimes never known unless someone notices them for some reason .

  • @thuggoe
    @thuggoe Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks for taking us along are injectors good

  • @Mr42960
    @Mr42960 Před 8 měsíci +2

    If you had a scope you could set a trigger off the crank sensor and look at the injector pulse relationships. Possible to compare the cam pin to tone ring relationship between old and new cam? Good luck Warren.

  • @tobysavage1278
    @tobysavage1278 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This is a real cliff hanger!

  • @retydeere1111
    @retydeere1111 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Unreal! I’m here to the end with you on this thing.
    Troubleshooting to a new level for sure. I thought resistance maybe somewhere ….but idk.

  • @oldbones3092
    @oldbones3092 Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you.

  • @psychopitt1982
    @psychopitt1982 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I understand the cranking speed could be an issue, but if you are shooting it with spray and it starts. I'm thinking the ECU wouldn't care about the the crank speed anymore and it would stay running at that point. There's my two cents. Good luck warren

  • @jspice-kl2wc
    @jspice-kl2wc Před 8 měsíci

    Good luck brother.

  • @wesleyjacobs5255
    @wesleyjacobs5255 Před 8 měsíci

    Hey warren disassemble the exhaust and see of smoke comes out maybe a blockage in the exhaust

  • @bryansimon4072
    @bryansimon4072 Před 8 měsíci

    You’ll get it going. Pain is the butt though

  • @TRKGL1800
    @TRKGL1800 Před 8 měsíci

    It's in time. You have fuel. ecm is good. I am thinking a bad ground circuit on one of the sensors. crank, cam, ecm.

  • @maxpuppy96
    @maxpuppy96 Před 8 měsíci +1

    If it starts on ether it is not a timing problem, I think your on to something with it shooting fuel in at the wrong time. I had the same thing on a Kubota and it was simply just air in the fuel lines.

  • @billw4746
    @billw4746 Před 8 měsíci

    I wonder if the timing is one tooth off. Throwing the sync off between the cam and crank. One tooth will not cause an interference issue. We purchased an engine from Farmland and it would not start. It was one tooth off. But it cranked fine no mechanical interference.

  • @wickedxe
    @wickedxe Před 8 měsíci +4

    Check power and grounds. Sounds like a bad + or ground somewhere

    • @westerntruckandtractorrepa1353
      @westerntruckandtractorrepa1353  Před 8 měsíci +8

      Yeah, anytime I have a weird problem like this it winds up being a ground

    • @wickedxe
      @wickedxe Před 8 měsíci

      There's a lot to be said for oldschool Diesel engines with no electronics @@westerntruckandtractorrepa1353

  • @deerhntr59
    @deerhntr59 Před 8 měsíci

    I have ran into issues with batteries being bad with these types of scenarios. I am for putting new batteries in it. I may be completely wrong, I just got to your videos on this project.

  • @josecepeda8117
    @josecepeda8117 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Did you install the flywheel correctly? The flywheel has 2 installation hole keys. Only 1 is the correct.

    • @TsunauticusIV
      @TsunauticusIV Před 8 měsíci

      🤔

    • @westerntruckandtractorrepa1353
      @westerntruckandtractorrepa1353  Před 8 měsíci +4

      I was wondering about that too, but shouldn't it start off the cam sensor? This other truck starts off the cam sensor with the crank unplugged.

    • @jeffderus1668
      @jeffderus1668 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Good call. A trainer once told us they had a engine not start before because the timing mark in the flywheel was full of dirt and it wouldn't read the signals properly bc of that