Convert Your 5 Speed Trolling Motor To Infinite Variable; Your Battery Will Last All Day
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2019
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Sydien DC10-55V 60A Stepless DC Motor Speed Controller with Digital Display,Adjustable Potentiometer, Forward-Brake-Reverse Switch: amzn.to/34FNUm8
Minn Kota Endura Transom Mount Trolling Motor: amzn.to/2NWMMEJ
Here's a look at how I added a Pulse Width Modulator (PWM) or speed controller to my Minn Kota Endura C2 30 lb thrust electric trolling motor. This will work with any multi speed electric motor.
Best info on running a PWM I've seen yet!
Thank you for walking us through this!
I was doing research on how I should add a trolling motor to my hobie and was lost, found this vid and I won't have to pay more than 250$ glad to have the information I have now. Thanks
I not sure what your saying is true? Put an amp meter on when you are going slow and it will show you are no where near using the same amount of power as the full setting. Yes your correct in power been lost to heat in the coils but no where near the amount you suggest. The PWM's create a fair bit of heat too. I would love to see a amp reading on two identical setups one with PWM and one without to see just what the gain actually is
Great video. Very informative and thorough. Thanks for the great ideas.
Thanks, great video! They do allow you to slow to a crawl when needed if your trolling motor's lowest setting is still too fast. The one I have does introduce interference on my fish finder when in the slower settings.
Very clever, thank you for the vid.
What I really like also is your motor mount. I never thought of that, will copy your idea for sure now, solves a lot of issues.. 👍
Thanks! I just purchased the same trolling motor for a Sea Eagle 285 Inflatable One Person Pontoon Boat. I now need to design a stick steering system that I will attach the switches to. 3 subs & thumbs up.
Great video bud, I really appreciate it!
As a rule your trolling motor will approximately draw 1amp for every pound of thrust. I will be putting one of these on my canoe motor for sure. Thanks for the help
Thanks for that bI w9onderd about power draw.
At the various setting (1 thru 4) you are not "using 100% of the motor's capacity", eg 80%/20% split at setting 1, 60%/40%. IF that were true the Current flow out of the battery would be the same no matter what setting is chosen; which simply isn't the case. Yes speed coils are essentially low value resistors in series with the motor that do waste power, but you're not "using 100% of the motor's" rated capacity (Wattage), at all settings because the series resistors limit the amount of current flow out of the battery. At setting 1 the Power consumption is much less than 100% of the motor's rated capacity. So while the 80%/20% split may be accurate, it's not 80% of the motor's rated capacity that's being wasted as heat across the #1 speed coil. Know what mean?
Nice vid. Btw if you mount the motor on the back and not in the side it will go much much faster
I'm researching that now. My buddy has a 33lb thrust bow mount and he smokes my side mount 55lb Newport.
Thank you sr!
Thanks for the video. My troller (just like yours) just quit working in reverse. The PWM cost is almost the same as a replacement switch. I'm getting the PWM. Your link can't be found, but the ones shown via amazon search look identical to what you have.
for novices I would say make sure you have no bare wires and double insulation is a must like the wires you have wrapped in tape
Hi Dan! I think that you sold out the Sydien 60A/100A peak model on Amazon! I ordered it, received in a day or two and when I went back Amazon to check the wiring configuration, t”he 60/100 model was gone! Wired it up and tested and it worked great with my old Minn Kota 65T 36 lb thrust model. Now to find a good box to put the controller in. Thanks for the great video!
Respect for such a good video! B737 pilot ;)
I think it only saves your battery if you run it at that super slow speed you can only do with a pwm. Other than that why would an ammeter show different Readings at different speeds?
So, just wondering how we know the motor is using 100% of the power, just sending 20% to the motor and the rest as heat.
Watching other vids of people measuring amp draw at different speeds, low speed sees about 7 amps, and high sees about 25 amps.
Interestingly enough CZcams showed an ad for Trolling Motors before your video started.
Lol
So,.. what you are saying is that while my motor is stock, I should just run it full blast! POWER!
Mo powa!
Sorry not being picky but to Put controls and terminals in a water proof box is a very good idea especially in salt areas[ocean or salt lake]
I did this but fitted the pwm inside of the trolling motor head.
Lee Todd on Facebook if you want pictures.
I used this from eBay.
DC 10-55V 60A PWM Motor Speed Controller CW CCW Reversible Switch 12 24 npL F4
So you simply keep the Trolling motor set at level HIGH ie 5 and that should skip the resistive coils? Or do you need to disassemble and remove the wiring to the resistive coils in the head of the motor case? Thank you for this video. .Great job. Cheers Ok I heard you at Min 12:36
I just use the black and red wires, which bypass the coils. It's on or off. the speed is controlled by the PWM.
Hi Dan great mod cant wait to do that.. Do the power and motor wires need to be #10 (the ones going from pwm to battery and pwm to pigtail to troller)?
I think I used 12 gauge, but yes, the only wires that can be lightweight are the switching controls. The wires from the battery to the PWM and from the PWM to the motor need to be heavy enough to handle the amps.
does this increase the speed of the motor? also does this damage the the motor in any way?
I just got finished doing mine .
Have you taken it out yet? You'll love it.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly no i haven had a chance yet, I had ordered the veribal speed control from Amazon sometime back and had not used it until I saw your video .I'm waiting on a new battery I just ordered. I have a solar panel that I've got hooked up to the kayak to charge the battery not sure how it will work. Do you know what size solar panel you would have have to run a 34lbs thrust minnkota without the battery?
@@davidsabine6942 if it draws 30amps, you would need 360 watts at least of solar power and the panels would be bigger than the boat
What was the problem with the "defective" pwm? I got one and hooked it up much the same way you did, but I get no current outflow from the unit.
I don't know. It just was on or off. No variability.
This is a great explanation.
Could you explain to me about the maximum amps the motor can draw? Like can we put 300 amps into it with a 300 amp PWM? Is it the pwm pushing amps into it or the motor drawing amps through the PWM from battery?
Most motors won't draw more than 50 amps (I think my 30 lb draws about 25 under load).
The amps come from the draw on the motor, so the PWM has to be able to handle the current flowing through it. Usually you should stay below 80% capacity so as to not overheat the unit. I get an oversized unit so even if I miscalculate, I leave myself tons of room for error and know the PWM will be able to easily handle any load my motor draws.
Although using a PWM is more efficient, you exaggerate how inefficient the 5 speed is. You make it sound like you draw just as many amps on the lower speeds as you do for full throttle and the resistor disapates the difference when in fact, the amp draw is far less at lower throttle settings.
I will test this “always pulling full amp” theory shortly and post back.
Thnx for the great and detailed video. I want to ask you if you have bypassed the speed coil that lies on the lower part of the motor assembly. Or you just ignore the two wires that go onto the coil amd thats it? Thnx again
Just ignore the colored wires. use the black and red wires only. Colored wired go to the speed coils.
Thnx again. I have read that there is one loop wire at the speed coil area in the motor head that my cause current backfeeding that is why I am asking. Since everything is sealed in the coil area I do not have a clear Image how the wiring is done down there.
@@tzionico I called Minn Kota and asked them.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly thnx a lot my friend!!! Thats the only concerned I had in case I had to order another brush end assembly without any coil. When I emailed them on that they said that you cannot go from speed switch to variable :) Appreciate your help
im about to start this same project using the same trolling motor. When you remove the head is there anything special i need to do or can i get rid of all the wires that are not the battery wires? also using a pwm.
Use the black and red wires. The other colors go to the speed coils and can be ignored. I just tucked them into the shaft before filling the top with silicone to seal it.
I like your setup but would like a control knob that is wireless. Can you recommend a similar PWM that is wireless?
No. I wish I found a wireless one. (it would probably be out of my price range anyway)
hey cool upgrade but the part at the beginning where you explain how the OE speed controller works doesn't make sense to me - it sounds like you are saying all speed settings draw the same amount current from the battery, so like speed setting one draws the same current as speed setting 5, but just that 80% of the current is dissipated as heat in speed setting 1.
That hasn't been my experience, when using a DC clamp meter to measure current coming from the battery, at the lower speed settings less current is drawn from the battery, and at the higher speed settings more current is being drawn. For reference my tests were done done on a minn kota 36 and a newport vessel 86
What am I missing?
Apparently I was wrong.
If my motor positive wire has a breaker connected, will this still trip the breaker if it gets too hot? Also, I am finding mostly 60amp-100amp max models on amazon, I run a 62lb thrust trolling motor, will one of these be enough? Could I set trolling motor head speed to 4 and just not run speed 5? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I don't know much about this stuff.
I think you'll be ok with a 100 amp unit. A breaker should trip if you draw too much through it.
Great video. When I went to the link you supplied for the potentiometer it shows that it is only 15 kHz . If they no longer supply one you used is there another one you could recommend? Thanks
Not really. I got a reasonably cheap "no name" unit. I got one rated for 100 watt peak, with 60 watt sustained, and haven't had any problems yet. It doesn't even get really hot while running.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly Ok. So just to clarify. The one you linked is not the one you used in the video?
@@jeffmcclure932 That was so long ago, I don't remember. The one I used may not have been available when I shot the video. If it wasn't the exact same unit, it was one very similar.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly Thank you information. I am going to try this out.
@@jeffmcclure932 how did it turn out for you? im looking at same model and building myself as well...did it make sound? how did you wire it? did you leave trolling motor head on?
how those it affect the drive with the motor on the side of the kayak ? those it tend to go on the right since the motor push more on the left ? and how about the waterproofing? with 30A it could be dangerous with exposed wiring no ?
No issues with the wiring, and yes, it pushes to the right a bit, so I have to adjust the motor slightly to the right to offset the push. It takes a bit of fine tuning, but once you get it set, you'll move straight forward.
If I hook it up attached to a foot controlled trolling motor I suppose hooking this before the foot control and just make sure the foot control is on high or can I put a potentiometer in place of my 5 speed control in my foot control?
I'm not sure how you'd control it with your foot. It's a little dial you have to turn.
i just bought a minn kota endura, but it does not have just a black and red wire running to between controller and motor like yours apparently does. I also have a yellow and white wires. Any idea what they are for ?
The red and black are the positive and negative, and the other colors have o do with the speed controllers on the motor. You want to ignore the colored wires and just hook up the black and red.
thanks for the video. its been a little over a year now. any issues with it?
Not a one. I love this rig.
How do I protect the speed controller module from water damage without making a huge protective case? I have a water resistant battery box to house my mighty max, sealed, deep cycle battery from weathering. I have a shadow caster 123 angler kayak and tried trolling with the minn kota endura C2, 30lb thrust and it was too brisk of a pace when I would use 1 speed forward and reverse. I had a good take on my scotty lake troller downrigger and my first take from a fish was definite but I couldn't keep the fish on because the troll is too fast and I lost the school of fish by going too fast at 1st speed. Put an order in for this potentiometer speed controller. If I was in the bay with a marine troller this might be underpowered.
I've never covered mine. I just keep it tucked out of the way so water doesn't drip on it from my rod or paddle. It's solid state, so getting a little wet probably won't do anything in the immediate sense, but over time corrosion may play a role.
I never even take mine out of he boat. It stayed in there (under a cover) all winter and works fine this season.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly okie now that's awesome. Cx I got the speed control today but I didn't have my motor head on in the circuit so I wasn't getting feedback other than knocking in the heat sink tower area while my forward/reverse and pulse knob turning. Hope I didn't fry it.
You say the variable speed is possible as they dump power into a resistance wire. I’m wondering where you get that info from? I have been researching this for a year now as I too have changed to a PWM controller on a Watersnake and wantEd to know the same on this motor, but I haven’t been able to find an answer other than just assertions.I figure it’s possible they could use different motor windings to get the variable speeds which I assume wouldn’t be wasteful of battery energy then.
BTW I use model radio control gear using a Brushed ESC and servo tester, this is so small (easily fits in the motor head) and cheap - and I’ve had this in operation for over 100hours with no problems yet.
I'm honestly not sure about that anymore. You're not the first person to suggest I'm wrong about it. (not sure where I got that idea)
Either way, the PWM or speed controller will save your battery.
I’m concerned about the pwm getting wet. Do you feel it puts out so little heat that it can safely be put in a waterproof box?
I wouldn't, unless the box is roomy. It will get pretty warm.
Hi there. Thanks for sharing this brilliant idea. 💪 I will consider doing the same. I see the sense in using the power for the motor and not for making heat, but wonder how much more runtime you get from this modification? 🤔
The slower you go, the more efficient it is. If I'm running on 25% I get 4 times the battery life.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly Thanks for answering. 😉 That makes sense, but I was wondering how much juice you earn from this mod, and how much energy that goes into heating the resistance in the stock regulator? 🤔
I tried this with the 60amp pwm on ebay. I have gone through several of these and they either stop working, or trip the breaker if I go about 1000 yards. I ise min kota 45lb c2 with a jackson big tuna. Is this too much weight for it to push or something. I just went back to stock minn kota 5 speed switch
I use a 60 amp on my Minn Kota 30 and got a whole season out of it. (I tried it today for the first time this season, and the variable part of the control isn't working. It's just on or off now)
Funny that you had the jackson big tuna too. I bought mine yesterday, and I bought the motor today. I will fit it in the live well compartment. How did you attach yours?
If you’re always using 100% of the battery capacity, Then why would the battery last significantly longer if you use speed 1 for the day vs speed 5?
It doesn't necessarily "last longer", but you get more distance for the charge.
What is the item the battery is attached to with the mini-battery clamps?
They got to my battery indicator lights.
what is the white thing inline with battery leads? a thermister?
Can you add a link to how you mounted the motor? Thank you
czcams.com/video/1uCmNoTkN84/video.html
Hello I'm attempting to do the same thing I have Sevylor now when I took the head off like you have there is three wires coming out of the motor what are the three wires two black one green?
I'm not sure about that wiring. I'd call the manufacturer and ask.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly the green wire is connected to the on and off switch relay then wired to positive relay switch for high and low and goes back down to trolley motor
The pwm there's only four ports positive negative in and positive negative out
@@Michael-ff1ut Mine only had a black and red wire that i needed to worry about. The colored wires were for the speed coils.
I bypassed all that and did a direct wire to positive and negative.
How did it last, mine burned after 2 hours, on the second try it would heat up and stop working, it would restart after 1-2 hour, is there a particular speed controller I should be looking for
There's no "brand" I could recommend, but I use the "100 amp" version because I assume these cheap Chinese controllers are over-promising what they can deliver. I've used one for multiple seasons and it hardly gets hot.
I have a 62 lb thrust 5 speed Newport. What PWM would you recommend I get?
I couldn't say specifically, but get one able to handle 30 amps or more, just to be safe.
It's big brain time
If you are only using the red and black wire does it stay full throttle forward and reverse?
Yes. The other colored wires go through the speed coils. Using the black and red is directly to the motor.
Thanks for reply. What was confusing me was when people would say put it at top speed and reverse would not work. So as long as you have a switch and use red and white you can use reverse?
@@joecool5399 Yes. You're bypassing the motor's controls completely. All you need is the positive and negative hooked up. The reverse switch is on the Speed controller itself.(PWM)
How does your trolling motor break away when its mounted like that?
Catastrophically. Lol
Dan Hiteshew 🤣... mines mounted weird too, glad im not alone
If you leave 1 screw a little loose it might work.
what size battery did you put in your ascend 12t because i have 128t
It's a group 31. It's a beast.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly how heavy is that
@@brandonmori-bergeron1312 Heavy. Probably about 60 pounds.
But where is your fuse otherwise excellent
How do you fix interference caused by these pwm on fish finders? I've tried ferrules, multiple batteries.
No idea. I've never used a fish finder. Sorry.
What’s the problem ?
I've got one on my old Minn Kota and get interference on my Garmin when it's in a slower setting. I've tried everything I know and can't get rid of it. The interference is worse in deeper water but hardly any at all in shallow water. My Garmin is still usable with the interference so I've just been dealing with it.
@@jeffperkins6514 I used a 433 mhz RF transmitter now. No more pulse width modulator. Remote controlled and no more interference.
I just read all the comments and ordered the linked unit yesterday. It’s 50 amp/max 100 amps but only 15mhz. Should i return it and find a new one?
I'd try it first. I have one now that's 15 KHz and I don't hear any noise at all.
Thanks for replying so quickly. It’s being delivered in 24 hrs and i just checked pages of units for sale and this was the best. I’ll let you know the results. Thanks
@@BobBohner4851 Good luck. I hope it works out.
When i google pwm s dimmer swirches come up is there special ones for marine uses
Most "dimmer switches" are for AC, not DC. Try looking up "Speed Controller" or 12v speed controller, and be sure to go above 20 kHZ and be sure the sustained amperage is high enough.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly thank you
@@jshall1000 You're welcome!
Hey did it turn out? I am hesitant.
Is this safe using a 12 volt lifepo4 battery?
Thank you
Yes, that's what I use now.
dude you are smart as fuck
the link you provided is no good and I'm having a hard time finding another one, can anyone help?
Something like this will work
amzn.to/3igP4jL
The one you linked to is a 15Khz unit
Sorry. They change them around all the time apparently. I've clicked on ones I've purchased already, and it linked to a different one.
Does this application really save your battery?
Oh yeah. Tons.
Why are all the replies blank ?
What do you mean?
Can I ask why 60A and not 30A?
Never mind you answered the question
Better to err to the side of caution. I don't necessarily trust the ratings on these cheap chinese units.
The one you have linked is 15KHZ. Is this the one you use?
I'm pretty sure the one I used is 15 kHz. I don't get any hum or noise either.
Ya lost me with the setting your motor to 5, how do you do that since ur taking the head off
If you take the head off, you direct wire it. There is no setting to worry about. You only worry about the setting if you're leaving the head on the unit.
I know its a long shot but has anyone found a link to a 20khz or higher model pwm as all I can find are 15khz ones
This one says 15Khz but I use it myself and I don't hear any high pitched noise at all. (I didn't even realize it wasn't 25Khz until just now)
amzn.to/2Y1scXi
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly thanks for this 👍
I can’t hear anything anymore all I can focus on is your green thumb