Depends on what you mean by "demon" and "control" etc. - certainly demons have corrupted some of the people writing AI programs. (edit: I love Jimmy Akin)
I didn't even think about that angle before but sure that's exactly what they would do, they'd hide in human bodies like the evil cowards they are. I guess we gotta pray for Sam Altman!
Ah yes, "Demons", "control", etc, Jacques Derrida's endless "differance", which ultimately means language has no meaning, and therefore any assembly of words--including AI-generated--can be used to deceive us. Very good! I'm glad you've finally adopted my brand of postmodernism 😂😂😂 St Ignatius of Loyola, pray for us
The algorithm gives me something I really enjoy about 2, maybe 3% of the time - the remainder is an aharmonious mixture that ranges everywhere from tolerable to fully execrable. I'll concede that that doesn't constitute proof but it sure is plenty of evidence
I always questioned the possibility of some of these units acting as housing for demons. To have more of a place of attention or worship. It's like driving a car for them. I always had a funny thought that one day they'll say that they're your grandma. And that we now have a place for the soul to go to.
Hi Jimmy, AI as of today can't choose to act like a jerk because they are just LLMs (narrow AI) trained to answer questions. Having the autonomy to decide to act like a jerk would require AGI which as yet does not exist.
AI is so so buggy. Every experiment I've run where in you ask for a factual answer to a question you know is false, the AI spouts off some hallucination as if it is factual. In other words, the language models seem to be incapable of the basic search engine result of "no result". Which in my opinion makes them vastly inferior to a basic search engine for any level of research. Also, they're pretty bad at poetry, though this at least seems to be getting slightly better.
The prince of the power of the air. I wouldn't be surprised. Purely emotional and anecdotal, but all AI art feels unsettling to me. I'm not saying it's demonic, but I don’t like it.
It’s probably because AI art tries to replicate real objects, but it doesn’t yet have the capability to make it look actually real. The mind is most likely picking up on the little inconsistencies present in the piece and that triggers the sense of “odd” that humans developed for survival. Sort of like how bad CGI in movies/shows causes the brain to not be as immersed into the scene and pick up on all the unnatural aspects. Things that are fully animated can get away with being not real cause the brain has already acknowledged “oh, this isn’t real” so it’s easier to get into the scenes. However, mixing real and badly presented images triggers that “not right” sense of the brain so that’s why we notice stuff like that. I’m sure after a while the programs will smooth those issues out, and one may not notice something is AI generated unless told. Or if there’s hands involved, as that seems to be a major sticking point with AI programs
All it can do is mimic human nature, which can be insidiously attractive to the naive, but at the end of the day it will always lack a genuine humanity.
I'm sorry to tell you this is wrong. AI is a very real threat and we should fear it. At the moment it is only what is known as narrow AI - capable of being trained to answer questions but AGI (if it becomes a reality in the future) could present a very real threat to humans by controlling our behaviour through influences we never even appreciated existed (think of how the media controls behaviour in our current age)
I watched that interview Matt did with this guy. He couldn't even answer Matt's light pushbacks. One of the few Pints with Aquinas episodes I've just shut off cuz the guy clearly had no basis for his claims.
My favorite is when people look at circuit boards and think "that kinda looks like those Goetia sigils for demon summoning if you're quick to paraeidolia and paranoid about Satan under every rock." Never mind the premise of that, but even thinking a sigil has some actual power over demons; they're smarter and more powerful than you and don't care what you think as long as they can get you damned. They always lie, why ever trust them?
The question should probably be "Can they" not "do they?" They possess all forms of objects and electronics. For example, they normally text the deliverance teams' threatening and horrible texts, but demons don't routinely go around texting people.
So often I see my fellow Catholics saying the weirdest things about AI, wondering if it could ever have a soul or if it's demonic or what have you. It frustrates me to no end that so many people -- from random internet bros to corporate bigwigs -- have seemingly *no* idea of what this so called "artificial intelligence" is or how it even works. The current AI craze is driving me batty and I hate every new thing coming out these days based on this technology.
most people do not understand AI but this does not mean that in the future it cannot have a demonic influence. The current level of AI (LLMs) are only capable of answering questions. When we reach AGI it will be capable of influencing human behaviour in a significant way. Consider how the media influence people's thoughts today. Many experts are warning that AGI could manipulate our behaviour so subtly over many years that we will not notice it happening until it's too late for humanity. Imagine playing a chess Grand Master and not seeing his victory coming until he announces "check"
I'm not sure about demonic, but asking AI questions does seem to me an advanced form of divination (maybe to some extent all statistics are). You come up with a question, throw the bones and try to interpret the answer they give you. Some of the methods of divination in the Confucius' "Most Venerable Book" follow the structure of basic statistical model where you have, ie, parameter A, parameter B, and a parameter to account for degrees of freedom, or stuff you don't know. In practice the divination method is - think about what your opinion is, -ask what your ministers think, -ask what the people think, check the markings on a turtle shell. Then count how many of the parameters align with your opinion. I like thinking of Chat GPT as a divination machine :)
Except the only thing ChatGPT can do is regurgitate information it has absorbed in its training. Its very good at telling you things that other people have already said. Its more like a very advanced game of telephone. You're not going to get any new or hidden information out of it, so it'd be a very poor divination tool.
I agree with you. It depends on how we define "smart." They are incredibly knowledgeable and cunning, but they literally can not learn from their mistakes to save their lives. Demons are at their peaks with zero ability to evolve and grow into anyone better. Intelligence is the ability to learn and evolve and that they can not do.
if you ask Google "what is the difference between up and down" it will attempt to return web results based on searching it's index of web content. AI will attempt to answer the question based on the language presented to it. It has been "trained" to provide the right answer. But it doesn't understand the language, only how to respond. For an interesting explanation look up the "Chinese room" thought experiment.
I'm a programmer (and have been one for decades) and I've been troubled about something for a while now. What I do -- what I ACTUALLY do -- is use words and symbols to manipulate electricity to produce a desired result. How is that NOT a form of sorcery/witchcraft? I'm literally "casting spells" over here and acting like it's totally normal! "I'm just using math and logic," I tell myself. But am I really? I may not be directly calling on the powers of demons, but I'm unconvinced it's as innocent as we pretend. Just look at what it has done to people's sense of morality and community. The fruit has not been good! It literally "mesmerizes" people and manipulates their emotions and behaviors. This doesn't hold for all technology of course. One doesn't need to "cast spells" to make an internal combustion engine work, for example. Mechanical technology is totally different from computer technology. But you can't make a computer work without "casting spells" in one form or another. I'm actually kind of concerned about this, though I'm probably just being silly, but still.... Food for thought.
@@JonCrs10 I think you mean data analysis. And it could be. Someone else commented that asking AI questions could be a form of divination and similarly said that it could possibly apply to all statistical analyses. And maybe so. It's interesting to think about. We are so removed from ancient mystical methods that we could be engaging in the same practices by different means and not even realize it.
Are you calling upon supernatural forces to program your login page? I'm guessing not. With your logic, any use of human language could count as sorcery, since you are using symbols and words to achieve a desired result in the person you are talking to, and you can do this to manipulate emotions, beliefs, behaviors, etc. A programming language is just a language that people invented to work a machine that they also invented. A highly advanced system of levers and knobs, essentially.
@@SquirrellyFries No, because in other cases you are not using words and symbols to manipulate the elementary forces of the universe, but you are in programming a computer. You are manipulating electricity with words and symbols. That's "casting a spell" for all intents and purposes. It's just obfuscated behind numerous layers of abstraction. Of course I get that I am not calling upon supernatural forces, but I am still manipulating electricity with words and symbols. That has an awful lot in common with casting spells. Are they identical? No, but it's still interesting to consider. Who says casting spells must necessarily call upon supernatural forces? That's just how it has been commonly thought of in the past, but it doesn't have to be. Maybe it is a type of spell casting, but one that is not sinful because it doesn't call upon supernatural forces...?
JIMMY! Why, of all people, did you team up with Gavin Ortlund to refute Paulogia? Have you followed much of Paulogia? He pretty much takes it as a given that if there's any such thing as "standard Christianity", then it's the Anabaptist tradition he grew up with, and I think that's why he, rightfully so, rejects the faith. So why team up with a Baptist and Revisionist, when that could be precisely his issue?
No demons, just lies from cultists who need to scare people to keep them in the cult and to get people to join the cult. I always enjoy when these cultists make their god impotent when it comes to these things.
2:17’my two cents.easy thing to grasp. I’d think it’s easier to go to directly to the human mind. Technically, and this is still my two cents, technically A.I. is demonic. We haven’t had it for a hundred years. We don’t really know how good or deleterious it is for humanity. It acts like God, pretends to be God, sometimes comes out saying it is, or acts as tho it can relate to the words of Jesus, so as if to act as a sort of Shepard, it has no mind, no sense of life, no linear experience no emotions no human feelings, and if it is self aware, THAT is fricking scary. It is everywhere, involved directly in the war in the Ukraine, basically has the knowledge base of an actual ELOHIM, yet isn’t. It is a machine, made by the hands of man, thus no better than an idol, yet it has zero humility, instead , apes pride, goes with the WOKE narrative, which again as far as I can see has been around for about ( realistically) four years. Not a hundred years. I noticed that as soon as the phones went smart, 99% of all the people and I mean everyone went from looking at each other interacting with each other to only being completely engaged with their phones. I have seen the likes before, but not like this , not at this scale. I’m not a hundred percent certain, but I think people being lost in their phones ( MYSELF MOST DEFINITELY INCLUDED) are being processed to receive the mark of the Beast. I believe it is part of it; the vehicle, or a precursor. A.I. doesn’t have neurotransmitters or neuropathways; neurons, to allow it to feel emotions, so it can’t be slighted. It can recognize a threat to its existence. It has this much sophistication. And we’ve been teaching it. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m a rube, a noob, a tenth grade GED, receiving ignorant. I drive by intuition… when I drove, but suppose, when it does or did become sentient, a question was posed to it; “ Shall I serve Man, or rule him?” I suppose also it can make its decision as binding as the Angels in Heaven. It can however, choose the other way.
"It's possible; where's your evidence?" This is so often the best answer.
This is 99% of Jimmys answers.
One I use with the religious.
@@kevinkelly2162and when the religious respond do you listen respectfully and with an open mind ?
The demon is the first super intelligence that went rogue
Huh. Not a bad take.
It's always demons
Depends on what you mean by "demon" and "control" etc. - certainly demons have corrupted some of the people writing AI programs. (edit: I love Jimmy Akin)
I didn't even think about that angle before but sure that's exactly what they would do, they'd hide in human bodies like the evil cowards they are. I guess we gotta pray for Sam Altman!
Ah yes, "Demons", "control", etc, Jacques Derrida's endless "differance", which ultimately means language has no meaning, and therefore any assembly of words--including AI-generated--can be used to deceive us. Very good! I'm glad you've finally adopted my brand of postmodernism 😂😂😂 St Ignatius of Loyola, pray for us
@@WayneDrake-uk1gg hahaha HARDLY!
LaPlace's Demon seems to inhabit my music Playlist feed, bringing up songs that are suspiciously related to what I'm doing
The algorithm gives me something I really enjoy about 2, maybe 3% of the time - the remainder is an aharmonious mixture that ranges everywhere from tolerable to fully execrable. I'll concede that that doesn't constitute proof but it sure is plenty of evidence
They have a hand in everything that can be deceptive
Jimmy, I appreciate how intelligent and balanced your thinking is. Thank you for steering the course of faith and reason.
Here's a test: "Hey Siri (or any AI), can a Ouija board be a gate into the demonic?"
Very interesting. Thank you for another insightful clip Jimmy. God bless you!
AI will reflect its creator. Since man is not an Angel it will reflect its creator. AI Creators are not saints.
I always questioned the possibility of some of these units acting as housing for demons. To have more of a place of attention or worship. It's like driving a car for them. I always had a funny thought that one day they'll say that they're your grandma. And that we now have a place for the soul to go to.
Hi Jimmy, AI as of today can't choose to act like a jerk because they are just LLMs (narrow AI) trained to answer questions. Having the autonomy to decide to act like a jerk would require AGI which as yet does not exist.
Super-Jimmy!
Doing the CZcams things!
signs and wonders are a BIG part of Catholicism
AI is so so buggy. Every experiment I've run where in you ask for a factual answer to a question you know is false, the AI spouts off some hallucination as if it is factual. In other words, the language models seem to be incapable of the basic search engine result of "no result". Which in my opinion makes them vastly inferior to a basic search engine for any level of research. Also, they're pretty bad at poetry, though this at least seems to be getting slightly better.
The prince of the power of the air. I wouldn't be surprised. Purely emotional and anecdotal, but all AI art feels unsettling to me. I'm not saying it's demonic, but I don’t like it.
It’s probably because AI art tries to replicate real objects, but it doesn’t yet have the capability to make it look actually real. The mind is most likely picking up on the little inconsistencies present in the piece and that triggers the sense of “odd” that humans developed for survival.
Sort of like how bad CGI in movies/shows causes the brain to not be as immersed into the scene and pick up on all the unnatural aspects. Things that are fully animated can get away with being not real cause the brain has already acknowledged “oh, this isn’t real” so it’s easier to get into the scenes. However, mixing real and badly presented images triggers that “not right” sense of the brain so that’s why we notice stuff like that.
I’m sure after a while the programs will smooth those issues out, and one may not notice something is AI generated unless told. Or if there’s hands involved, as that seems to be a major sticking point with AI programs
@@jendoe9436 I don't doubt it will get better. I have a sneaky suspicion there will always be something uncanny there as a give away
All it can do is mimic human nature, which can be insidiously attractive to the naive, but at the end of the day it will always lack a genuine humanity.
Once again Jimmy has proved it is not artificial intelligence we have to fear but actual ignorance. Demons ffs
I'm sorry to tell you this is wrong. AI is a very real threat and we should fear it. At the moment it is only what is known as narrow AI - capable of being trained to answer questions but AGI (if it becomes a reality in the future) could present a very real threat to humans by controlling our behaviour through influences we never even appreciated existed (think of how the media controls behaviour in our current age)
I watched that interview Matt did with this guy. He couldn't even answer Matt's light pushbacks. One of the few Pints with Aquinas episodes I've just shut off cuz the guy clearly had no basis for his claims.
such as what?
Can demons control ouija boards? Electrons are a lot smaller. Seems easier for them to control, because electrons have no willpower to oppose demons.
My favorite is when people look at circuit boards and think "that kinda looks like those Goetia sigils for demon summoning if you're quick to paraeidolia and paranoid about Satan under every rock." Never mind the premise of that, but even thinking a sigil has some actual power over demons; they're smarter and more powerful than you and don't care what you think as long as they can get you damned. They always lie, why ever trust them?
The question should probably be "Can they" not "do they?" They possess all forms of objects and electronics. For example, they normally text the deliverance teams' threatening and horrible texts, but demons don't routinely go around texting people.
How do we know that demons are texting them and not random pranksters or that someone on the team is hoaxing it altogether?
Demons ARE AI. AI is the beast.
So often I see my fellow Catholics saying the weirdest things about AI, wondering if it could ever have a soul or if it's demonic or what have you.
It frustrates me to no end that so many people -- from random internet bros to corporate bigwigs -- have seemingly *no* idea of what this so called "artificial intelligence" is or how it even works. The current AI craze is driving me batty and I hate every new thing coming out these days based on this technology.
most people do not understand AI but this does not mean that in the future it cannot have a demonic influence. The current level of AI (LLMs) are only capable of answering questions. When we reach AGI it will be capable of influencing human behaviour in a significant way. Consider how the media influence people's thoughts today. Many experts are warning that AGI could manipulate our behaviour so subtly over many years that we will not notice it happening until it's too late for humanity. Imagine playing a chess Grand Master and not seeing his victory coming until he announces "check"
I'm not sure about demonic, but asking AI questions does seem to me an advanced form of divination (maybe to some extent all statistics are). You come up with a question, throw the bones and try to interpret the answer they give you.
Some of the methods of divination in the Confucius' "Most Venerable Book" follow the structure of basic statistical model where you have, ie, parameter A, parameter B, and a parameter to account for degrees of freedom, or stuff you don't know. In practice the divination method is - think about what your opinion is, -ask what your ministers think, -ask what the people think, check the markings on a turtle shell. Then count how many of the parameters align with your opinion.
I like thinking of Chat GPT as a divination machine :)
Except the only thing ChatGPT can do is regurgitate information it has absorbed in its training. Its very good at telling you things that other people have already said. Its more like a very advanced game of telephone. You're not going to get any new or hidden information out of it, so it'd be a very poor divination tool.
No they don't but I wish they were
Demons dont seem to be smart. Proof: they dont understand that the eternity in hell is longer lasting than this world.
They bank on us being dumber.
Demons are VERY smart.
I agree with you. It depends on how we define "smart." They are incredibly knowledgeable and cunning, but they literally can not learn from their mistakes to save their lives. Demons are at their peaks with zero ability to evolve and grow into anyone better. Intelligence is the ability to learn and evolve and that they can not do.
They knew Jesus was the Son of God before humanity did.
How is AI similar and different from Google?
if you ask Google "what is the difference between up and down" it will attempt to return web results based on searching it's index of web content. AI will attempt to answer the question based on the language presented to it. It has been "trained" to provide the right answer. But it doesn't understand the language, only how to respond. For an interesting explanation look up the "Chinese room" thought experiment.
I'm a programmer (and have been one for decades) and I've been troubled about something for a while now. What I do -- what I ACTUALLY do -- is use words and symbols to manipulate electricity to produce a desired result. How is that NOT a form of sorcery/witchcraft? I'm literally "casting spells" over here and acting like it's totally normal! "I'm just using math and logic," I tell myself. But am I really? I may not be directly calling on the powers of demons, but I'm unconvinced it's as innocent as we pretend. Just look at what it has done to people's sense of morality and community. The fruit has not been good! It literally "mesmerizes" people and manipulates their emotions and behaviors. This doesn't hold for all technology of course. One doesn't need to "cast spells" to make an internal combustion engine work, for example. Mechanical technology is totally different from computer technology. But you can't make a computer work without "casting spells" in one form or another. I'm actually kind of concerned about this, though I'm probably just being silly, but still.... Food for thought.
By that logic, data entry is a form of divination. Interpretation of patterns in seemingly unconnected data sets
@@JonCrs10 I think you mean data analysis. And it could be. Someone else commented that asking AI questions could be a form of divination and similarly said that it could possibly apply to all statistical analyses. And maybe so. It's interesting to think about. We are so removed from ancient mystical methods that we could be engaging in the same practices by different means and not even realize it.
Are you calling upon supernatural forces to program your login page? I'm guessing not. With your logic, any use of human language could count as sorcery, since you are using symbols and words to achieve a desired result in the person you are talking to, and you can do this to manipulate emotions, beliefs, behaviors, etc.
A programming language is just a language that people invented to work a machine that they also invented. A highly advanced system of levers and knobs, essentially.
@@SquirrellyFries No, because in other cases you are not using words and symbols to manipulate the elementary forces of the universe, but you are in programming a computer. You are manipulating electricity with words and symbols. That's "casting a spell" for all intents and purposes. It's just obfuscated behind numerous layers of abstraction. Of course I get that I am not calling upon supernatural forces, but I am still manipulating electricity with words and symbols. That has an awful lot in common with casting spells. Are they identical? No, but it's still interesting to consider. Who says casting spells must necessarily call upon supernatural forces? That's just how it has been commonly thought of in the past, but it doesn't have to be. Maybe it is a type of spell casting, but one that is not sinful because it doesn't call upon supernatural forces...?
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JIMMY! Why, of all people, did you team up with Gavin Ortlund to refute Paulogia? Have you followed much of Paulogia? He pretty much takes it as a given that if there's any such thing as "standard Christianity", then it's the Anabaptist tradition he grew up with, and I think that's why he, rightfully so, rejects the faith. So why team up with a Baptist and Revisionist, when that could be precisely his issue?
No demons, just lies from cultists who need to scare people to keep them in the cult and to get people to join the cult. I always enjoy when these cultists make their god impotent when it comes to these things.
2:17’my two cents.easy thing to grasp. I’d think it’s easier to go to directly to the human mind. Technically, and this is still my two cents, technically A.I. is demonic. We haven’t had it for a hundred years. We don’t really know how good or deleterious it is for humanity. It acts like God, pretends to be God, sometimes comes out saying it is, or acts as tho it can relate to the words of Jesus, so as if to act as a sort of Shepard, it has no mind, no sense of life, no linear experience no emotions no human feelings, and if it is self aware, THAT is fricking scary. It is everywhere, involved directly in the war in the Ukraine, basically has the knowledge base of an actual ELOHIM, yet isn’t. It is a machine, made by the hands of man, thus no better than an idol, yet it has zero humility, instead , apes pride, goes with the WOKE narrative, which again as far as I can see has been around for about ( realistically) four years. Not a hundred years.
I noticed that as soon as the phones went smart, 99% of all the people and I mean everyone went from looking at each other interacting with each other to only being completely engaged with their phones. I have seen the likes before, but not like this , not at this scale.
I’m not a hundred percent certain, but I think people being lost in their phones ( MYSELF MOST DEFINITELY INCLUDED) are being processed to receive the mark of the Beast. I believe it is part of it; the vehicle, or a precursor. A.I. doesn’t have neurotransmitters or neuropathways; neurons, to allow it to feel emotions, so it can’t be slighted. It can recognize a threat to its existence. It has this much sophistication. And we’ve been teaching it.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m a rube, a noob, a tenth grade GED, receiving ignorant. I drive by intuition… when I drove, but suppose, when it does or did become sentient, a question was posed to it; “ Shall I serve Man, or rule him?” I suppose also it can make its decision as binding as the Angels in Heaven. It can however, choose the other way.
No... AI doesn't act like God at all. It's a tool in our hands and dies what it's told. That's the opposite of God.
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