WHY Dragon Quest Treasures FAILED
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- After almost half a year since the release of Dragon Quest Treasures, it's safe to say this game did not click with people like Square Enix hoped. What went wrong, why did the game flopped like it did, well I believe to have the reasons.
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I actually like this game a lot so i feel bad that it flopped.
To be fair it is only the first entry in a new series of spinoffs. Who wants kid Yangus and kid Red for Treasures 2?
I really cant understand Square Enix's thought process of releasing tons of side games in the west yet refuse to give us DQX.
ESPECIALLY since they have DQX offline coming out
I really liked the game, even the combat, once you figure out the slingshot/pellet system. That said, I can see that this game may only appeal to Dragon Quest fanatics. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
@@ThatsRoyo I disagree with all of your points regarding there being issues the game had.
Actually dragon quest never had or was about cutting edge graphics
Honestly releasing it near pokemon Scarlet and Violet was the biggest mistake. A big open world monster game about treasures. Just horrible timing. That and the price point I like Dragon Quest and enjoyed playing treasures but it should've been $30-40
You forget the main reason why it failed: the price of this game...
And the poor stuff they offered for the deluxe edition... balls and consumables (items that will disapear after using)... and 3 monsters...
Honestly, I was a day one adopter and put it down pretty quickly. I just didn't find it that fun, bottom line. The funny thing is though, the ingredients were mostly there. If everything had been the same, but it had just had proper mainline Dragon Quest Monsters combat, it could have ended up being my favorite in the Monsters series. As it was though, the combat just wasn't very engaging and the rest of it wasn't fun or compelling enough to hold up the product without engaging combat imo. It needed something to do the heavy lifting, and it didn't have whatever that something was.
They really released a demo after the game's release, couldn't they have done what they did with 8 have a full game come with a demo
I actually liked the worldmap, and could've loved the game. Unfortunately, the core mechanic of the game, the treasure hunting, just felt completely pointless.
Finally beat this game about an hour ago. I’d say it was a solid 8/10 experience in my book. Major complaints are the jankiness of vertical traversal, which could’ve been remedied with a “Climb” Forte, there could’ve been a bit more monster variety, and, for me personally, it was a HUGE missed opportunity for this game to not have mimics as enemies. Like a random chance of a treasure you dig up actually being a mimic, and beating it nets you a higher than average chance of getting a treasure in Mint condition (to make it more appealing, Mimics would never drop Fair treasure). But yeah, if we ever somehow get a Treasures 2, they can take what worked and refine it further, and for what didn’t work/what was missing, look around for what can be done. I’m gonna be starting up the post game in about 2 weeks.
Got it for Christmas when it was about $35-ish at Walmart, and I feel like I was in a sweet spot that let me really enjoy the game because the treasures let me learn more about the DQ games before XI.
This game and DQ Builders 2 are the best spin offs of any series I’ve ever played other than Pokémon Legends Arceus and Monster Hunter Stories. This and Builders 2 are excellent. They’re pretty wholesome but they’re not boring. They hit a really nice sweet spot for me between “cozy” chill game and something a little more combat/action rpg oriented. I get bored with stuff like Rune Factory and this just was a perfect middle ground. Builders 2 was also super enjoyable, I love every minute of both games and still play them regularly. I’m really excited about the new DQ Monsters game coming Nov 2023. They have some great spin offs and that’s not something you can say for a lot of fame franchises. This is something I could play in front of or with my kids and not feel like I’d be put in any awkward positions. It’s wholesome and fun. Square Enix has some of my favorite games this year, DQ Treasures, Octopath Traveler 2 m, Nier: Automata (I never played until switch release) and Harvestella… and for SOME reason, they all flopped commercially except Nier. I don’t know how they’re marketing these games but they need an overhaul. All of those games are EXCELLENT but not nearly well known enough by the average Switch player. Harvestella had an excellent story, cool combat, beautiful characters, awesome jobs/classes but because it has some farming/fishing it was marketed to people who played farm sims of any type which… it wouldn’t have worked for all of them. You only farmed for sustenance, it was much more JRPG-like. I’m so bummed it didn’t hit its target audience. It wasn’t a perfect game but it has CRAZY potential and I absolutely LOVED it. I love SquareEnix but they gotta do something about their amazing games just not meeting their mark in the English markets. Octopath Traveler 2 is my favorite game I’ve played in the last year and easily one of my top 3 favorite games ever. The story, characters, soundtrack and voice acting were UNREAL. With awesome combat and jobs/classes. Plus the HD2D was so cool. That game should’ve had a way bigger impact than it did. It’s an incredible game and they’re just letting them flop.
I'm looking forward to Dark Prince. I hope we can get a monster guide with how to make them.
It's probably going to be in the game like the others. First you'll have to collect enough of each rank and or family. This will show unseen monsters in the "monster dex" then check the info of any monster you don't have and it Will probably show the monsters needed to make it. Or you could always wait a few days for someone to make a guide :)
Another of the Side games for the series I liked is Dragonquest builders 2 though I really wish they did the multiplayer different and made part of the story mode quicker as got bored around the end of it.
I wonder how well a DQ collection(1-8) would sell, i'd be nice to play 8 on my PS4 instead of my phone
I'd love it BUT DQ7 is so LONG a PS4 remaster of even the 3DS version would still need a 3x speed cheat.
they should release that on pc
Please include 9 it was my favorite ._.
Tbh the game looks quite good imo, The only problem is that its was a Switch exclusive ;/ Wish they would import it to the PC or even to the mobile. DQ was never marketing to the west very well (Especially after the 3DS games) so im not surprised about that aspect.
The problem lies with FF7: Crisis Core Reunion. Which launched practically in the same week. I itended to get this but after getting CC I kinda FOGOT ALL ABOUT IT
This game is a real hidden gem already on Switch. The system is saturated in JRPGs and I figured this would be some sort of free to play nonsense. I gave it a try though and I quickly found myself utterly addicted. A brilliant title that’s a joy from start to finish. Comes highly recommended.
I was wondering what happened with this one. Thanks for such a clear and concise video on it!
I believe this bad marketing happens again with the new game Infinity strash coming from the adventure of Dai , this will be released on September 28 , SE didnt mention the title in the last direct and all the marketing it's only Facebook post and blogs on the SE web page and the last thing... Not Physical Release outside Japan...
It’s a shame infinity strash bombed as hard as it did bc ppl felt like they were mislead by the advertising. I wish they had been upfront with it being a mission based game as opposed to ppl thinking it was more free roam
Amazing how this game looks so bad and yet Scarlet and Violet somehow looked even worse.
I enjoyed the game - got a good 80 hours out of it - but I do agree with a lot of your points - I hope for one more installment of this IP - but I highly doubt that will happen - great vid! 😊
I thought it was a pretty good game. I just wish it had better transversal so it wasn’t so tedious to go back and forth.
So much for seeing this get ported to my beloved PlayStation 5.😢
It looked fun reminded me a lot of dragon quest monsters mixed with the story of a main dragon quest games it also didn’t help that it was switch exclusive bc I know a lot of PlayStation fans like it if ur was on steam I’d get it
as a huge DQ fan it just felt halfhearted the entire premise of the game gets boring fast and not what i was expecting in the least im someone thats imported all the monster 3ds games and hacked a 3ds solely for the propose to add fan translations to them and thats what i was expecting with treasures i do plan to get it again on steam because cheats/mods/hacking always brings new life into games for me and hopefully it can give treasures a new lease for me lol
I legit didn't even know this game existed, glad its on PC now as ill pick it up at some point.
I honestly think this game is cool but the problem is some of the missions like the stupid masquerade beasts was absolutely annoying to find and having to do another mission
Honestly, i don't know what is the point of this game. It looks like what Legend Arceus was to Pokemon, an spinoff that tried things without trying to have a purpose.
I'm really looking forward Monster 3, i enjoyed Joker's trilogy and 3D Remakes of Monster 1 and 2 (thank you fan translation teams !!!) and i hope the new entry will be THE Pokemon-like that shows Gamefreaks how to make a good Pokemon-like.
I'm definitely in the minority but i loved the game -- for what it is. Is it perfect? F- no, far from it. But, as someone whos been playing since '03, its great for nostalgia.
I don't think the demo helped at all. I couldn't even make it past the first part due to the excessive dialogue. I think this is an issue that plagues the series. It was really long-winded in Dragon Quest Builder 2 as well.
I didn't have to watch the whole video because within the what first 25 secs you mentioned that nobody knew about it and I've played dragon quest games damn near a fan of them and I didn't even know about this game hahah
I'd love a remake of IX
Only issue I had with this game is you can't equip any of the treasures you find. That would have made it way more fun and rewarding. The lack of this just felt like a missed opportunity. It's still a fun/decent game though.
it is a spin off and might be also experimental look at the other game like Musou tyoe and Minecraft ones, hit or miss i guess 🤔
Totally agree with the ugly graphics part ,dq builders1,2 are way more older and looks way more better than this. The character and monsters models are fine but the enviroment is just atrocious
I didn’t even know it had a demo. Downloading it now
For me it was the lack of marketing. The ONLY marketing I saw for this game was the fact that Usada Pekora had a cameo in it. It came out just before Christmas to a whisper while Square was at the same time hyping up Final Fantasy XVI, a game not out for another 6 months.
Great video! I just found this channel and look forward to watching more of your DQ content. I was NOT ready for Sackchief's roast of the game. 😂 I was not blown away by Treasures, but I found it entertaining. The collectathon game loop was satisfying, and it was always fun to find a familiar item from the series. Sack is right that the series does deserve better, but I have a heavy DQ bias and came in open minded, and I ended up having fun. Treasures is actually the first DQ spin-off game that I've liked since Rocket Slime.
Have you tried the DQ builder games? I get they may not be for everyone but i can’t get enough of them. The first one was so good and the second one(a little short but) was just the first one but better. Anyway if you haven’t tried them i highly recommend giving them a go
@@Wheeliam_Ironside I've pumped 20 hours or so into Builders 2, but it just didn't click with me, so I decided to move on. Strange, considering that I love both Minecraft and DQ.
Censorship of previous remakes took them off my list of games to watch for.
I got my first switch this Christmas all the games I own all 5 dragon quest games on the switch cause I'm a fan of the franchise.
I just bought it on Facebook Marketplace for cheap. I kinda like hearing when a good game flops in the collecting sense. This game will be rare in the future... But I definitely don't like when games like this flop because it means we won't get more.
JRPGs are too expensive. In general. Steam helps sometimes. SOMETIMES. But they've only just begun to work with the notion of going on sale.
I don't think the graphcs is so much of a problem .... but yeah Dragon Quest/Warrior is almost non existand in Europe not because its bad but because people don't know about it and there is no commercial and nothing.
Walking around in Japan you hear the iconic DQ music like everywhere !
Also yeah collecting some weird treasures that don't tell us anything at all is kinda boring.
Also the "bosses" were all the same and there weren't that many monsters to collect.
"Town" building was also super boring even though I love the idea so much as I loved it in several old non DQ games as well but it was done super bad.
I hope we'll still get more dragon quest games coming to America even though treasures flopped i personally liked dragon quest treasures
Yeah I hope so as well, I do think with DQ monsters being better received it’s a possibility. Than again we just had the announcement of DQ tact shutting down so the fate of the franchise is uncertain
2:39 if you wanna skip to actual criticism that isn't about graphics.
For point 1, I’d rather compare it to the graphics of DQ11. DQ11 is gorgeous and the environment was bright, colourful and filled with many neat details. DQ Treasures felt a little flat compared to it. It was also a shame that it released near so many bigger titles as well.
Almost half of the likes, are Dislikes. Sheez.
The Game was promising, telling us: "Hey, go collect treasures and learn Eriks backstory!". But then... yeah, this happened.
I really like the Switch, but most of the Games, first released on it, are bad. For example: Rune Factory 5.... A fantastic Game, if you play it on PC and not the Switch.
This Game, looks bad to a Game, released in 2022 (It is produced by a really big Company). The Gameplay loop is boring, after 2-3 Hours of gameplay. The performance is a joke.
The things that are good, are the 2 companions they get. quirky Dragon Quest characters, that are fun to look at and talk to.
But, overhaul. Bad. Maybe if they released it on the PC version, People could make it a better Game. (Like Rune Factory 5 was made much better, with certain mods.)
But, for the People that enjoyed it, good for them. But i, and many more, where not happy with it. Sad to see.
It outsold FFVII Crisis Core in Japan.
I get the point about graphics, yet it didn't bother me. There wasn't anything that threw me off.
For me the thing that the game want to make feel important in the end are just numbers, find the treasures don't improve the gameplay in any meaningfull way, they don't impact your party, your strength, they are just numbers.
It's cool to see your base improving, but to be stronger in the game is a separate mechanic to the treasure finding, and even important tresures, that the game try to make you care about, when you get it, like the Amber Horn, it could ending be less valuable than the random junk you found in the way to get the Horn.
So, bad graphics, meaningless progression system and bad combat, the only thing that i found fun during my gameplays was getting stronger monsters, even so the stronger ones tend to have the least usefull abilities, like the Cyclops and the Golems.
Isn't the new dragon quest monsters game literally the same as this but with quality of life updates?
not really DQ monsters is a turn base game as oppose to the action adventure style treasures went with, though they are developed by the same devs tose
What isn't a financial failure according to Square Enix?
Man seeing Banjo Kazooie in this video made me realize that Treasures should've been like that. Imagine a 3D platformer DQ game where you have to use different monsters abilities to get to places and collect treasures in the world similar to Mario Odyssey or Banjo but also had RPG mechanics and equipment for fighting enemies. That's seriously what we should've gotten with this game. But the treasure searching in this game is kinda... barebones instead unfortunately and has next to no platforming or actual decent level design at all. I was gonna say that a potential sequel should do this exact idea to improve on everything but considering this game sold underperformed according to SE, I doubt that's gonna happen...
It should have been multi platform.
They need to stop favoring the Switch when it comes to Dragon Quest and advertise more. I am literally just finding out about A Dragon Quest game meant to come to PlayStation announced 7 months ago and I love the series. They need to take their releases seriously and focus on multiplatform games for this series.
As someone who loves the Dragon Quest Monsters games, this felt very half-hearted from SE. I only ever saw it as a game that I might pickup on a deep sale.
I don't think a demo would have helped the game at all. Looking at reddit and comments on CZcams alot of people did not like this game and probably wouldn't have bought it if they had a demo first.
Oh well. Might still buy.
SE just needs to get DQX out of the Asian countries. I know about the translation team and watch some of their vids and I've played offline and the Google browser version that happened like a year ago but it is time for SE to bring it to the rest of the world.
Yooo finally more DQ content
instead of making spin off games like this. they should just remake dragon quest 8 or 5 they probably gonna get more money from that instead of wasting resource on spin offs
My guy really put bad graphics as a category for a switch game, what do you expect?
Imagine fussing bought graphics on switch lmao
Dang Sackchief went in hard...
I REALLY enjoyed DQ Treasures. I’m a huge Erik fan, I LOVE exploring, and I loved all the nostalgia boner bait! BUT DQ is always bad when it comes to marketing, and I immediately felt that newcomers to the franchise wouldn’t have the same appreciation for all the treasure and characters from the classic games.
Preface: My opinion is heavily swayed by my Love for DQM as it was my introduction to the DQ series:
It flopped because it wasn't what it was promised as. It wasn't a Monsters game.
It started as and was promised as a Monsters game, then was cancelled and reworked into This.
If it had started as it's entirely own thing and had no connection to the monsters game. I could look at it on its own, but I just couldn't.
It really does leave a sour taste in your mouth you cant ignore. When you are playing the game, all you can think about is what it could have been, what it should have been.
So I couldn't bring myself to finish it. I like many aspects of the game, and some of the ideas, but I feel like all of those aspects would have just worked so much better in a Monsters game.
Like everything about Treasures could have been naturally worked into Monsters. And they would be welcome additions to the Monsters gameplay loop.
This game failed but it does have serious potential, just not as its own thing.
Take the best ideas of Treasures and rework them into the next Monsters in a way that feels natural and the next Monsters game will blow everyone away.
I mean the last 3 were all incredible improvements in succession upon the last.
I believe Yuji Hori will pull it off again with the next Monsters game.
Didn't know this game existed until recently because I was looking up guides for DQMJ2 synthesis and people were trashing on treasures... If that says anything.
Ryan hit it on the head. It's not turned based game.
Sackchief sounds like a hater. Speak for yourself, I'm a longtime DQ fan and I love Treasures
This game really looks like a 3ds game played on emulator 💀 or like a mobile game that has a switch version
Point one is more sad thats pokemon ia such a massiv more bigger thing and didnt manage to look a loot better then dragon quest... well i and some others just find dragonquest still more beautifull.. and this one too...
Harvestella is bad tho. Needs some major work
I believe this is why they have pause everything with the DQ3 remake
One day people will look at this game as the gem it truly is. I disagree with the majority here. As someone who dabbles in every game genre for around 25 years now, this was a great game imo. I don’t have much to complain about at all. I honestly just think people are being way too harsh on the game. We get it- it’s not monsters. That doesn’t mean you need to judge it unfairly. The concept of this game is the best part also. If the game didn’t flop, this concept could have truly evolved into something great. It’s a shame.
I would of got it if it were on XBOX. I refuse to give nintendo my money.
Why was Sackchief holding back so much? Ha ha.
Seriously though, I had some interest in this game despite how it appeared to be targeted at a younger audience but reading similar reviews to his about how shallow the game was is what turned me off from checking it out. I like the concept of recruiting monsters but I also want an RPG with an interesting world, a good sense of progression (whether that's through character building, story, or ideally, both), and enjoyable combat. And apparently this game falls far short of Dragon Quest 11 in all of those areas, so why bother?
Square-Enix seems to think that people are stupid and can't tell when they're putting out a minimal effort side game or remaster versus when they put out a more high effort and big budgeted release. And it's been damn obvious for a while that the only thing they really care about is milking the FF7 nostalgia, keeping their FF14 gravy train rolling, and hoping that FF16 restores some of the luster the mainline series has lost.
Try the demo. You might be pleasantly surprised. I was.
I wish you explained this issue with the boring start, instead of not showing or hinting what was going on with it.
60€ for this game is too much
Rip akira toryiama.
I hated how in development this game was planned to be a monsters game like the joker series. But in past interviews the creator said it feels like we take 2 steps forward and one step back and it shows. It tries to have the monsters elements while also trying to be unique. Honestly if they just kept this game as like joker 4 or something i personally would've liked it more. Idk about the rest of the world. It just looks like a hack and slash with extra steps tbh.
I think there is a couple big factors in this game flopping. I think they were trying to appeal to kids the wouldn't care much how graphically impressive it was also with what seems to be not a lot of world building or particularly interesting environments. To go along with that it only released for Switch when DQ games generally sell best on PlayStation consoles (though personally I was hoping for an Xbox version).
Apart from the fact that Dragon Quest is a franchise focused on the Japanese market, where Switch is WAY more popular than the last Playstation consoles, your statement isn't even true for the West, lol. The only reason DQXI sold more on Playstation is because it released way earlier than the Switch version. And in Japan the 3DS version came up on top (in 2017, when it was basically dead, mind you!).
Unfortunately, this game never appealed to me. But I’m sure the new Monsters game in development for Switch can sell better than Treasures.
It failed because people wanted a Monsters game and didn't get it. Basically, it failed because people wanted it to be something else entirely (pretty stupid imo)
There’s also the problem that gamers nowadays want companies to try taking risks again, and when they do and don’t hit the bullseye the first time (which is not uncommon at all. Hell, the very first DQ didn’t fully hit the bullseye), they say stuff like “why did they spend resources on this game when they could’ve made a new entry in *long-running sub series*?!”.
The Jayden guy never even played the game and is offering his opinion? And he's only played one DQ game before... So how is he talking about "traditional DQ games" when comparing them? LOL
@@ThatsRoyo An opinion of someone who has no experience playing the game, and therefore has no leg to stand on.
And more videos like this will make them NEVER BRING OVER THEIR PRODUCTS TO THE WEST. So thank you
Good points. But I can’t get over how Pokemon can sell 20+ million copies of a game that doesn’t look OR run great on the switch, yet people forgive it because it’s Pokemon. Then dragon quest treasures who probably didn’t have a huge budget gets so much flak for not being amazing.
I blame the price more than anything. Price it $39 and most of what is mentioned here would have been forgiven
the combat feels to shallow .... and so boring ! i regret buying THIS game ! -.-
I like the game but it is tooooooo monotonous
might wanna invest in new mic,...voice isnt clear when u talk.,..
i especially love the DQ Monster series. For me, Treasure is a big flop because there is only 72 monsters in the bestiary with a LOT of re-color (3 to 6 monster of same colors sometimes) which is a lot less compared to others DQ in general, but espiacially Monster. For exemple there is more than 350 monsters (800+ for the Pro version) in DQM2 and DQM3, so there is more diversity and more capacity to create the team you want. In DQ9, you have almost 300 monsters to fight, but what make the game really cool is all the equipement you can collect. In treasure, you just have little tokens. That's just sad.
this was the main problem for me, once i got through the first MAIN part of the story i feel like i already saw the entire rest of the game
Game has so much depth. Graphics are great. Fun story. I returned builders 2, I will never sale this game.
Opposite for me, i put hundreds of hours into builders 2 and couldn't put 5 into treasures.
I saw this game on steam and it had no pictures of game play but ya Dragon Quest has always been soso for me.
The graphics aren't bad. I'm thumbing down this video. 👎🙅♂️
cause its a 60$ mobile game
i think they woulda done better releasing it for playstation.. which idk why they didnt, square enix makes more games on playstation than they do on ninentdo.. theyre about to make the same mistake again releasing DQ monsters on switch only.. makes me so mad cause i love the DQ series but i dont own a switch... that and SMT 5.. why would companies decide to make games like these on the oldest jankiest hardware out there?
@@ThatsRoyo yeah i suppose.. im of the mindset though that unless an IP is a nintendo exclusive like mario or zelda, it shouldnt be bound to one platform like that.. especially w how stingy nintendo is with their own IPs
They marketed DLC for Power Wash Simulator far more than Dragon Quest Treasures.
... I hate this.
Thank lord that we are now getting a new DQM. This damn thing was the biggest bait ever.
I know it‘s a spin off, but holy hell keep DQ turn based
The game was boring and aimless.