12 Months on Carnivore Diet: Unexpected Outcomes, My Bloods & Why I Quit - Ep 72
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- Welcome to another episode of The Meat Medic Podcast. Today, I share a candid review of my 12-month journey with the carnivore diet. As a doctor who embarked on this diet to address chronic health issues, I found significant benefits but also faced unexpected challenges.
In the early stages, the diet resolved issues like joint pain, chest pain, and IBS, leading to a remarkable improvement in my overall health. However, around the six-month mark, the positive effects plateaued and new concerns arose, including nutritional deficiencies and a concerning increase in insulin resistance and chronic stress response.
This episode delves into the complexities of dieting, the importance of listening to your body, and the realisation that a one-size-fits-all approach doesn't apply to nutrition. I experimented with reintroducing certain foods, which led to insightful discoveries about my health and the impact of oxalates and carbohydrates.
I'll also discuss the implications of my blood test results throughout this journey and introduce the concept of the primal fusion diet, a balanced approach I've devised based on my experiences and patient data.
Whether you're a carnivore diet enthusiast, a skeptic, or somewhere in between, this episode offers a nuanced perspective on dietary choices and their long-term effects on health. Join me as I explore the lessons learned, the changes I've made, and why I believe in a more flexible dietary strategy moving forward.
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Remember, these are my personal experiences and results. Your journey may differ. Always consult with a healthcare professional before making significant dietary changes.
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Welcome to The Meat Medic Podcast. I'm your host Dr Suresh Khirwadkar. I'm a GP and Lifestyle Physician and I'm a practicing carnivore. I've had great success myself and with patients by following a carnivore diet, and want to spread the word about how to achieve optimal health through diet, nutrition and lifestyle changes.
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Watch with an open mind! I've had loads of benefits from the Carnivore Diet, but also had issues, as have my patients. Do you own research, get your bloods done, and watch for issues. If you thrive on it then fantastic! If not, make a change.
I've spotted a potential problem with your theory regarding "long term ketosis" being an issue on the carnivore diet. Firstly, if you are not eating for weight loss and are in fact eating for maintenance or muscle building then the carnivore diet is NOT actually ketogenic, you should be eating enough protein that gluconeogenesis occurs and triggers an insulin response. The other is that everyone (on any diet) produces ketones whenever they fast, including every night, so if literally every human being produces ketones every night then I'm not convinced that being in ketosis a few hours longer per day is going to be massively detrimental.
Even if it is insulin that is helping, you don't need exogenous glucose to trigger insulin, you can do that by condensing 2 meals in to 1 and making sure you are eating enough meat in one sitting to get a decent insulin response. Have you tried a CGM?
I am still trying to lose some belly fat but I am also trying to build muscle, so I follow a bulk and cut pattern to my eating (and my cut usually involves a 48 hour fast once a month).
How many calories do you eat on carnivore? I'm 69kg and I find I need 3500-4000 calories a day to be gaining about 1kg per month and then in 48 fast hours I lose 2-3kg and go again.
Another consideration could be are you eating grass fed beef? I would also check vitamin D level.
The problem with eating fruit and veg now is that what exists in supermarkets now didn't exist a few hundred years ago let alone 1million plus years ago.
Did you say Thumb pain? curious that I've developed a painful thumb pain since on carnivore. Yet all other joint pain has disappeared.
I just read info online how eating red meat negatively impacts the liver. Is this true? Thank you.
@@user-wp2pi6ic4c I've been eating predominantly red meat (about 60-70% of my total diet just in red meat) for 7-8 months now, and my liver blood tests results are all perfect (better than when I was on a plant based diet) so no eating red meat is not bad for your liver
@@georgemoonman2830 ancient humans would have eaten low sugar fruits only seasonally. I was also interested to learn that fructose levels in the blood are not included in the A1c reading which measures glucose’s effect on red blood cells.
I've had similar experiences to you, and now eat a more flexible "meat-based" diet with some whole food fruits n veg added. Appreciate your honesty and open mind.
so basically ur keto lol
You were activating the randle cycle as would be expected. Your insulin levels increased, and triglyceride levels were nearly a one to one ratio with your hdl. Not good at all. You cannot mix high carb with high fat. If you want to eat that many carbs you must go very low fat. Prof Bart Kay should have been consulted. I bet he would have sorted things out for you on that front. I am strict carnivore for at least 4 years now. Dont have any of those issues. I do include dairy on occasions. Talking about a thick slice of brie or camembert 2 to 3 times a week. I consume sardines and mackerel as well. Remember some carnivore foods themselves can cause issues like eggs and dairy. Allergies and food intolerances do exist even on the carnivore diet. Its just a matter of balancing things out. Humans are you know were not designed to consume carbs at all. This is why they are not essential. You know this aleady. Did you eat more organs. They contain lots more b group vitamins which are important. Did you consume some of your meat raw? All these things do make a differences too many on this diet. Electrolytes as well play a huge factor to how one feels throughout the day, especially during summer or on hotter days.
Do you take the view that if a person wants to reintroduce low oxalate carbs, they should just not be consumed at the same time as fat to avoid activating the randle cycle.
@@davidr1431 for me personally, any time I've tried re-introducing carbs I've ended up just going mental and stuffing my face with pizza or doughnuts or something and feeling bloated and wrong, so for me its a no-go, but yes, if you are going to consume carbs then they should be taken with zero fat to avoid the randal cycle
I'm definitely happiest and healthiest when not consuming "carbs" - I do a little dairy but usually its like 10-20g a day of carbs, very rarely do I hit 40g, so I guess I'm more ketovore than strict carnivore
@@georgemoonman2830 I’m really trying to get to a clean carnivore way of eating. No excuse but I live with a family of cake bakers and carb eaters so it is continually in my face. I am like you in that if I have some sugar I am at risk of having it all.
@@davidr1431 when I was doing "keto" and allowing keto snacks and e.g. using almond flour to make faked baked goods, I couldn't resist it people offered me real cakes etc. Once I went carnivore Ive managed to completely cut all junk, my "cheats" now are cheese, coffee and sauerkraut and occasionally a tomato to make chilli
Years ago, the Drs. Eades research team found the same thing; it's carbs+fat that's the big problem.
When I was a strict carnivore I craved lemons and oranges like crazy, so I added lemon juice and some veggies and fruits. No more insane cravings. On some days I am very strict. on some days I eat veggies and fruit. I do eat raw meat too. Dairy too. This way I am happy. Strict carnivore is great but after a while it gets too strict.
The whole point is to be healthy. I agree.
True, I do not eat veggies or fruits but from time to time I crave lemons and sauercraut. If I have some it satisfy me for some time
Me2!!!
you know we ain't carnivores or natural flesh eaters right?
@@saszablaze1I know that you don’t know anything more than the next man
You said that carnivore did not heal your skin issue, but it got better with more fat. High fat IS part of the carnivore diet. "Strict Carnivore" doesn't mean that you are eating the right things in the right proportions, as well as other environmental factors - exercise, natural light, sleep, less stress, etc.
You shouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water! Continue to tune your regimen.
I was wondering how much fat he was eating because that would have been my first correction.
High fat is ultra important. But I agree, humans have ate some plants. I do it to. Mainly pickles.
I eat a few nuts, berries, a small orange now and then. I make real whip cream using organic cream, vanilla, and stevia. Easy to do and put it on yogurt and berries for a small treat.
high fat isn't a natural diet. unless you're vegan. or plantbased. whole foods. we aren't carnivores or omnivores. lipovore and keto doesn't exist in nature.
And if you have a digestion problem and your body can't process fats well enough, you shouldn't be having high fat. I learned that the hard way
It's been said that carnivore is first and foremost an "elimination-diet" and that it should be strict for 3-6mons at most, then your body will prompt you to make subtle changes in the eating pattern. Thanks for the sensible & honest feedback from your experience. After all, this is not a religion, it's a work in progress on the road to optimal health.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Plese keep us updated.
Thanks for this and I look forward to your next progress reports and what this flexibility can look like in practice. There is definitely no "one size fits all" when it comes to diets. And you are absolutely right about strict carnivore being mostly an elimination diet for most people. It did give me the ability to quiet the noise in my body and brain and for the first time be able to listen to my body. But in the long run, I agree that some degree of flexibility with adding some whole food versions of non-toxic or low-tocix carbs is important and needed (at least from time to time).
No dietary carbs/sugar arent needed. Human body has only 4 grams of sugar in it at one time any more of that is unnecessary. Extra protein is converted to the glucose your body needs
I'm about 90% carnivore, Dr Sean Omara recommends (real nonpasteurised) saurkraut or ferments in general and they seem to settle with me ok. I came to carnivore from keto and worked out then that oxalates were messing me up so I'm oxalate free on carnivore. I like pate so I do eat some liver but not massive amounts, I also eat 4-6 eggs per day. I do also eat a mix of meats, not just beef and bacon, I also eat fish and chicken probably like once a week each. I also use quite a bit of heavy dairy (cheese, cream, sour cream), but my total carbs is typically less than 40g per day and usually less than 20g. 6 months on carnivore and I've not had any big dips in testosterone yet.
For cholesterol, look at Dave Feldman's LMHR study - they've found that just having low body mass when doing a keto type diet raises cholesterol, but those people also have CAC of 0 and match with "healthy" low cholesterol population in terms of atherosclerosis, so high cholesterol with a healhy body mass is "normal" for the human body (basically the theory being that the body is using fat as energy and needs a transport mechanism for that, its just an empty transport that needs to tidied up by the liver, its not atherosclerotic).
If you've been adding carbs then you will need more vitamin C.
The other thing to consider is that humans "in the wild" would sometimes have an abundance of food, would sometimes (but not daily) have access to carbohydrate sources and sometimes would have no food at all, so personally I think sometimes just eating meat is good, sometimes having a little fruit or veg is ok and sometimes fasting is good. Doing any one of these things every day is probably not optimal long term. Whatever you do I think cycling is going to be important, and not trying to think that if you do the exact same thing every day is going to be optimal.
Out in the wild we would also eat fermented stomach contents of our prey as well as partially fermented meat from carrion or burried meat. Hence our love for fermented foods and that's also why we cook our food, as it denatures it similarlly to ripening while being buried.
You sound like such a reasonable man!
IF YOU'RE NOT 100 % CARNIVORE, YOU'RE A SOLD OUT. A VEGAN TROJAN HORSE.
Thank you for posting. That’s why we need some long term studies on these diets.
research the blue zone groups. We have known for thousands of years their lifestyle and diet allows them to live to 100 or more and they stay super active until those ages.They are plant based. Why not stick to what know works? Do your own research. Don't listen to online nuts. They often pick and choosewhat to tell us,but when you check on it, you'll often find they left out what isn't part of their agenda. One example they always are the Massai people. Yes they eat a lot of meat, but these carnivore videos leave o out they also eat tree bark,berries and honey is a huge part of their diet. They also start dying at 42, rarely make it to 55. Half of the blue zone people.
Thank you for your honesty! Can’t wait to read the primal fusion diet download!
great video - thanks mate. I am coming up on my 12-month carnivore anniversary next month, and like you, I am also considering adjusting away from strict carnivore, as I don't feel completely optimal. Really look forward to seeing your next video on what you are trying and whether it's working.
100% Carnivore for 7 months and cannot see myself varying. However, I respect and enjoy listening to your and others’ journeys. You never know what might happen down the track. Thx for your clear honesty. 👏
Thanks for your honest assessment related to diet options…speaking of “adverse effects”, I am allergic to BS, and I appreciate your vulnerability in sharing this information with us given that there may be some who won’t receive it well…but, that didn’t stop you from giving us your sincere view on the matter at hand. THANK YOU.
I hope no one gives any hate for what you choose to eat. You are clearly looking for health, just like the rest of us. If pure carnivore doesn't work for you, that doesn't mean it won't work for anyone. If you can improve by tweaking the base diet, other people might benefit from knowing that too.
I agree! Not everybody is suited for either diet especially if you're going to do it strictly. I will always adapt to how my body is feeling. Nobody should look down on other people's choices. Everyone is different.
@@somethingsburning774 I disagree. I think, us, PURE CARNIVORES, should have our own Political Party, and start giving chase to the TRAITORS. We need a CARNI-INTERNATIONAL-SECRET-POLICE. Our ancestors, meat eaters, were also very tribal, and strict, regarding the unity of the group. As Carnivores, we feel this ancient rage within us. ROAR WITH ME, MY CARNI-BROTHERS. LIKE OUR FELLOW LIONS!
RROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR!!!!
@@HeathenDance It's only food - why get so divided over it?
@@somethingsburning774Food is critical, which is why I become so enraged when the gates of hell and others start pushing fake meats and insects on society for profit and control. Forcing everyone into one square simply does not work. We are unique and our individual needs must be factored. One size fits all cannot work. Period. That being said, the divide is the tool used by those who want to take down society and own us. Therefore, yes, we should have respect for others' decisions on diet. In fact, if someone told me they absolutely loved eating crickets, my response to them would be great! Please keep me posted on how that works or doesn't work for you. No judgement, no shaming. I expect respect for my decisions and I must return that respect to others in order to keep that right. JMHO. ❤
@@HeathenDance😂
Nice to hear I am not the only one who had major issues with this diet.
Thank you for clarifying this information Dr. K
I appreciate the info - thanks for your courage and sharing your numbers.
This was incredibly helpful. Thank you very much. Been carnivore for a while now and you’re describing everything I’m going through…..
Thank you so much for this. I am over a year into carnivore. Some amazing things have happened and continue to happen but I am not turning off my brain. I am watching closely and listening closely, keeping an open mind. I am not 100 percent convinced and I have NOT joined the cult that unfortunately many carnivores have.
I hope you keep us informed. I would love to hear you in a discussion with some carnivore doctors...the good ones like Baker, Cho...not the grifters and gurus.
Your best video to date. Not dogmatic and an honest synopsis of your personal experience. I hope Bart Kaye reviews (although I find him very difficult to stomach.)
Bart "Im not actually a Professor nor ever was" Kay is a total twat and not worth listening to.
Thanks for honest conversation.
It is always important if we are to learn, all respect to you.
Listening to some folk, it seems for some up to 2 years sporadic oxalate dumping....rashes , revisit of symptoms...for some even lethargy did not improve for 2 years...
We do need to listen to testimonies and then do what is best.
Everyone's body is different.
Biochemical individuality.
God bless.
Excellent analysis thank you. It feels very balanced and well thought out.
How fab that an educated and honest person is sharing in detail his experience with carnivore and with moving more towards inclusion of carbs and other things.
Great Talk! Chronic Stress Response! Thought The Same! When you go back and forth, your body is screaming WHERE'S THE MIDDLE GROUND!
Thank you for your honesty and integrity.
Good longer term observations...thanks for the info.
Good and honest video. We shouldn't be so hard nosed that we can't accept honest feedback from other Carnivores, let along a Carnivore Doctor. I started out 100% Carnivore as an elimination diet for IC and it worked. I'm now more like 90% Carnivore and I do eat select fruits like Apples/Pears (like 1/2 to 3/4 of an apple per day), and very select vegetables such as zucchini & yellow squash (once again very little, and I sauté it in butter). I still avoid all grains, seed oils, added sugar, most seeds, nuts, and most vegetables. I drink water. Thanks.
I totally agree with you. I've been carnivore for only 20 days. But I haven't been 100%. I have been in ketosis, eating loads of fat. I eat cheese too and chicken, pork, beef, lamb, salmon. However I also eat a few cherry tomatoes, some courgette and the odd piece of fruit. I look for low oxalate. And not every day.
I think that cutting out processed seed oils, all grains, esp wheat, all processed foods and all sugary drinks would be an excellent baseline for someone to start from.
That eliminates everything in packets, all fast food, pub food, bakery foods, alcohol and sweetened beverages - these are the main culprits causing illness in people these days. Eating tomatoes, olive oil, fresh salad might not be optimal but it's a darn sight better than pizza and McDonalds!! I've heard it said it's not so much what you do eat but what you don't eat that makes the difference, and wheat, sugar etc are poisons - even more so when they are genetically modified and combined with chemical concoctions the human body reacts to as toxic waste, because it is!
Sounds excellent to me. Glad that you healed your gut.
@@chrissyt_artist1960sounds like you eat similar to me but i just want to add a warning here for people with arthritis to avoid tomatoes (and all other nightshades) as they are a trigger food for RA.
@@chrissyt_artist1960 100% agree with your comment. My sugar/carbs for years finally caused leaky gut and then a gluten intoI. I mostly ate large salads 4 dinner & seed oils in dressings - plus all the mayo dips I ate everything with... high oxIate/ lectin foods. I was forced into eating this way & it immediately lowered inflammation . I avoid the same things you do. Cut out all the sugar, seed oils, all grain & processd carbs like muffins, cereals. Bloat stopped. I feel better but how long does the gut take to heal? I'm at 3 mos of eating 95% strict & still isn't healed
A very interesting video which echo's conclusions I have come to after being strict carnivore for a couple of years..
Cyclical is nice. Periods of high fat meat alone, periods of lean meats and berries, periods of more olives and avocados, some dairy, fatty fish, etc. If someone is metabolically healthy and can do this switching intuitively, perhaps seasonally as well as intuitively, you can get the best of all worlds.
Out in the wild we would also eat fermented stomach contents of our prey as well as partially fermented meat from carrion or burried meat. Hence our love for fermented foods and that's also why we cook our food, as it denatures it similarly to ripening while being buried.
@@allolobophorusWhere the heck did you come up with this theory?
Omnivore for the win, Im with you there 👍💪
Carnivore is not about ketosis. In fact that is not the objective. Did you eat all your protein in one sitting. The reason is because we will get a small spike in blood glucose when we do this. This is very important. The fruit that existed millions of years ago did not have the fructose levels that fruit we consume has today. Fructose will never show up in any hb1ac test. Just remember that. Also remember genetics is a factor. Again your ancestory plays a role in what you are best suited on a carnivore diet.
I'm wearing a cgm for the last 10 days and my first meal after a 66 hour fast was 500g of kangaroo mince and 3 eggs, kangaroo meat is very high protein and very low fat, it moved the glucose monitor by 0.4 mmol, this is the same as the difference between sitting and standing which is extremely small.
I now know that all the crap about proteins converting to sugar is mostly just that, maybe the body can do it when required but I now doubt it always happens.
The other thing about fruit is that it is seasonal. Here for a month & then gone
@@kentee4957 yes very true.
@@Meathead-10810 Insulin spike, no glucose spike. Protein will not drastically affect your blood glucose at all. A lot of the places where protein can be turned to sugar can be done at the site its actually needed (if I understand right). so it wouldn't really enter wider blood circulation.
@@Mallchad Many vegan doctors like to use high protein to scare people on the keto diet about high protein, I was never sure whether they were lying or not but now I am :)
There is 4 important things in life - Health, Family, Freedom and Integrity.
This video hits the nail on the head.
I found this video fascinating and insightful. Thank you.
Thanks for a balanced honest explanation!
Interesting share Suresh, thanks for making the video.
An open mind is what got us to carnivore....thank you for your honesty and advice Dr Suresh....you're trying to narrow in on your best health, as most of us here are! I definitely noticed when I missed my electrolytes 😓 I love my little bowl of fruit a day 😋 keeps me off the junky processed packaged rubbish!!
I think the problem with any lifestyle is when you don't feel well, as you did before. I am carnivore for about a year now and feeling perfectly, but if I'd had health changes for sure I would try to add a few things to see what happens. I don't understand some people that stick to a lifestyle, diet etc no matter what.
Thank you for a balanced, honest report addressing all the issues the 100% carnivores often rather avoid.
Vitamin C can be metabolized into oxalates. And oranges themselves have some amount of oxalates. Any chances it is not about vitamin c but oxalate dumping? Just a guess.
I was thinking the same. About 6 months in is classic oxalate dumping and it can effect your body in pretty much any way.
@@OurCarnivoreExperience In theory yes, it could be not just oxalate dumping but general toxins especially from weight loss. I don't really have any fat to lose and oxalates was from only ~1 year of bad mistakes mitigated by my un~~very~~ healthy diary obsession.
I pointed out in another video that oranges contain many other chemicals, one of which is citric acid. What's the treatment for oxalate poisioning? Magnesium, and citrate based compounds. :D He also never said when he had these oranges because he complained about oxalate pain. So I'd be suspicious of that.
Have you ever thought about what else comes in fruits and milk? Potassium. We tend to over salt throwing off the sodium-potassium balance. Many people tend to have this imbalance and can trigger the symptoms you are describing. For my clients I recommend them to back off the salt and temporarily supplement potassium. Issues usually resolve. Classic carnivores like Amber O'Hearn speak about this and why she and others like her do not salt their meals. Just something to ponder on
I've come to the conclusion that anything that we do that is restrictive and repetitive will show problems over time. It doesn't matter if it's the same exercise routine over and over (jogging or at the gym), sitting all day typing at a keyboard (carpel tunnel), what we eat (carnivore, vegan, fruitarian), when we eat (OMAD or 10 meals a day), or how much we eat (gluttony or consistent calorie restriction), our bodies will adapt and initial benefits will decline and/or problems will develop over time. Chaos seems to be our friend. Things like: Random eating schedules often including periods of random duration without food; Seasonal changes in diet as we would have experienced in the wild; Random physical exercise as we would have experienced hunting and gathering food: walking, running, dragging and carrying things, etc. Constant change in both diet and physical activity, as long as it fits within the framework of our evolution, seems to provide the best outcomes for humans over the long haul. It's trying to create or adhere to a single unvarying protocol that violates our evolutionary heritage.
Spot on !
Thanks for experimenting and sharing with us. As an abstainer, consuming fruit could lead me foe. A slippery slope. I do eat liver occasionally, and love it. I make sure that I get enough animal fat. And getting adequate sleep is priority #1. I eat a little aged cheese. And I exercise.
Out in the wild we would also eat fermented stomach contents of our prey as well as partially fermented meat from carrion or burried meat. Hence our love for fermented foods and that's also why we cook our food, as it denatures it similarly to ripening while being buried.
I think you're spot-on .... both vegan and carnivore can become an elimination diet. But may not be good long-term options. Then when we feel bad people mistakenly think that they just have to do it stronger or more perfectly instead of reintroducing some positive foods while continuing to eliminate the ones that caused a lot of the negative issues
Now I'm really confused.
Amen to that.
When in doubt, eat more FAT!! 😁
I agree. So I decided since I live in Maine I'm gonna do seasonal. I have "wild" blueberries and raspberries that grow on my property. So when in season I will eat them. Oranges and citrus doesn't grow here. Apples do but I don't know if they are legit wild. They grow everywhere here. But that's what I'm gonna try.
I think people are so variable that it depends on your gut biome, your family history, environment, etc etc. i have tried just about everything but in the end I did an absolute elimination diet of beef salt water and added things back - and settled on Lamb, a bit of beef, some fruits (grapes bananas apples oranges melons) and for a treat I have found a high protein 'custard' in Aldi that seems to digest well for me. Listen to your body.
I would say be wary of doing too much experimentation in too short a period of time. The body likes homostasis.
You can spin out like a car losing control through a series of overcorrections each worse than the previous, leading to facing the wrong way all together.
Interesting video. Thanks. Wondering about oxalate dumping being a confound though?
Very good. Been on carnivore starting my 9th month. Feeling much better but not as fantastic as some people state. 76lbs down. All my blood markers Fasting insulin, glucose, CRP high, my doctor admitted to not understanding how to interpret the high insulin, it is obvious from my research and being a critical care nurse I was an undiagnosed type two diabetic. I will continue on a carnivore lifestyle, however I don't go crazy if I have something not quote quote strictly carnivore. I will certainly watch more of your videos very informative
People think that on the carnivore diet they will become supermen, but life goes on and you can get sick even if you are a carnivore, this does not necessarily mean that it is the fault of diet A or B.
This symptoms are thyroid related: low libido, low stress resistance, low energy, hair loss.
I see that carnivore stresses out my thyroid, i have Hashimoto Thyreoiditis for about 20 years now. And i fainted. I do it when my thyroid is stressed out.
That’s so interesting. For me, the meat and fish - lots of fish - seem to really help me - and I too have the dreaded Hashimoto’s. Ugh!
@@justasimplesomeone cool... I'm happy for you. I've done blood work now, so I will hopefully pick it up this week: markers for fatigue such as D3, B12, ferritin, free T3, free T4, antibodies and so on.
Similar experience; Cycling between LCHF and carnivore following the seasons here in Scandinavia have.
Thank you for your honesty. In my own thoughts, the diet culture, much like pretty much everything else that has two opposing sides, very much gravitates towards either end of the pendulum.
Strict carnivore on one side, high carb on the other.
There is always room for nuance. Maybe you are correct in saying that a little bit of carbs is good, and the thought on hunger gatherers having some carbs, berries etc. Rings true.
Room for being omnivores, which humans are by the way 👍😉
This was an inspiring one. Thank you.
No hate coming at you here! Thank you so much for this discussion. I'm just a regular person who discovered Dr. Ken Berry in late 2019 and have been trying to eat keto since then. We do add in veggies and I'm glad to have the low oxalate information. We both lost 50 pounds and my husband felt better than he had in years (we're 72 now). But, as happened with you, that did not last.
I was on a strict carnivore diet for about 6 months. I felt great on it at about 3 months mark, when I finally got fat adapted and no longer had daily diarrhea. But slowly but surely after that peak I started to feel that my energy levels started to go down. This was really the biggest issue for me when after my first meal of the day at noon I'd feel tired and needed a nap. I started doing more research on that and it turned out I was not the only one who had issues with strict carnivore diet after a few months on it.
At about 6 months I decided to introduce some carbs, less than 50 grams per day. Now in addition to animal products I eat garlic, ginger, some lemons, some onions, parsley and cilantro, one medium size apple per day and a tomato or two depending on size, plus shiitake and oyster mushrooms After making these changes I do feel more balanced and more energetic. After initial period of diarrhea followed by a period of constipation on strict carnivore, now I have regular bowel movements daily. Also since on strict carnivore diet my stomach and esophagus got actually healed, after decades of taking antacids and PPIs, I feel now that I get much more out of plants that I eat as now I digest them completely. It may sound to many here counterintuitive, but lower stomach acid was causing a lot of issues for me, from GERD to indigestion and gastritis, and with carnivore elimination diet my stomach acidity level did increase significantly and that allowed body to extract all the nutrients out of food I consume, plus it forced esophageal sphincter to work properly that stopped acid reflux.
To summarize, strict carnivore diet is not for everyone. Though I always considered myself to be a big meat eater and actually enjoy it, for me it turned out to be not an entirely balanced diet for the optimal well-being. Some veggies do make me feel better. I didn't do "big starches" yet, like potatoes and rice (love them both too), not sure yet if I'll be coming back to it since feeling good and healthy beats the pleasure of eating heavier carbs. After introducing some veggies back, my weight went up at first by a few pounds but now it is back to what I had on strict carnivore and stays steady there. Another good video on this subject is by Rob Stuart titled "Is carnivore diet dead?". There too, he went from a complete carnivore to a diet with some fruits and veggies for a positive change in his health and wellness.
Enjoyed very much thank you, I am about to add berries as I am very lean, active and very high fat just does not suit for various reasons. Do you do online consultations ?
So having some carbs, but staying under 30g of carbs a day is what's optimal or did I miss something?
I decided to do hyper-carnivore. Lots of meat and fat, but I do eat a few plants. Sauerkraut is a regular. The only fruit I eat is berries every so often. Most of my carbs would be from Greek yoghurt.
I used to be relatively high oxalates (peanut butter, dark chocolate) but now I'm low oxalate except for black coffee and occasional tea with full fat goat milk. I've never had an obvious oxalate issue.
Whilst I used to check for being in ketosis and I still have some blood strips, these days I rarely check. It is no longer my goal.
Fyi coffee isn't high in oxalates
@@advait2062 And that is about the only oxalates I get, so I'm happy with that. 🙂
Out in the wild we would also eat fermented stomach contents of our prey as well as partially fermented meat from carrion or burried meat. Hence our love for fermented foods and that's also why we cook our food, as it denatures it similarly to ripening while being buried.
Out in the wild we would also eat fermented stomach contents of our prey as well as partially fermented meat from carrion or burried meat. Hence our love for fermented foods and that's also why we cook our food, as it denatures it similarlly to ripening while being buried.
Ok enough ...
Hi, I have not seen any of your videos before and I have just subscribed while watching this one.
Excellent video. I am against all dogma and there is a lot of things we need to learn about physiology in different metabolic states.
In my opinion there are genetic differences between people and one way of eating may be great for some but not others. Some people thrive on meat only and some not.
It would be mad not to adjust nutrition and not to experiment if you start feeling worse.
I think people and other animals used to cycle - you could not get berries in the winter...I think some times that keeping too strictly to one way of eating may not bealthy in long term - unless this is what one's genes want.
Myself - as carb addict I try to be pure carnivore but once in a while fell off the wagon so I "carb up" . And still have great results.
Will be trying go strict carnivore though - never had chance to do it for 6 months in a row 😉
I’m still a subscriber thanks for the honesty!
How long did you take to transfer from your previous diet? It's likely a ‘cold turkey’ approach will cause problems down the the road.
I like that you're honest. Don't worry about losing subs. I tried carnivore and could feel the shock my body went into so I switched to keto but I didn't have the knowledge I do now and I was finding myself in a calorie deficit far too often as well, my electrolytes were all out of whack. Through all of that I kept researching/learning and finally decided to just eat as responsible as I could. I eat generally healthy. Nutrient dense type foods like grass only pasture raised beef, pasture raised pork and chicken. I also eat lots of eggs (pasture raised) and I take things like bee pollen, unfortified nutritional yeast, Chlorella and sea moss to bump up my vitamins and minerals. I drink plenty of coconut water to balance my ekectrolytes. I eat unpasteurized honey, organic fruits and veggies, make my own bone broth and render my own fat.
And I drink reverse osmosis water so as to avoid all the poison in my tap water.
We just need to do what we can.
It won't be perfect, but if we put in the effort, the benefits will be worth it.
Dr Ray Pete is an interesting fellow and has some controversial views.
Might be worth a look
Yes indeed, a work in progress....I'm interested to know if you are burning ketones or glucose from your well-rounded diet?
Good advice. Thanks, Doc
Thank you for your honest feedback. Can I ask what low oxylate fruits and vegetables you mainly eat? Thanks.
Great video... I only wish you tracked your protein to fat ratios and played with increasing your fat calories and decreasing cals from protein to see if that was affecting your drop in libido since cholesterol is important for hormones. I'm hoping to reach a point where I can be 6/1 carnivore 6 days a week and 1 day low oxalate carbs. Be well and congrats on your family addition doc. I never saw this channel until today and will definitely continue to follow.
What ever you decide to eat I hope you feel the best and perform the best.
Dr, You've just confirmed what Stephanie Person advocates. She has been in this carnivore/keto/low carb space for 16 yrs. At 56yrs she looks great. Maybe check some of her utube videos.
Our minds are like a parachute, they only work when their open....i eat grass fed beef..pasture raised chicken, and eggs...some hard cheeses...some nuts and seeds...berries, papaya, and the seeds in the papaya..pomegranate seeds...manuka honey...fermented raw sauerkraut..whole milk grass fed organic milk...probiotic plain whole milk yogurt...wild caught salmon, sardines, anchovies and mackeral..not king mackeral though due to the high mercury levels...some lean organic pork...and i do eat Ezekiel low sodium sprouted bread...few olives...some boiled sweet potatos..single origin real EVOO...applecider vinegar...real garlic...red onions...some low oxalate veggetables...and spices..ceylone cinnamon, cayenne pepper, and few others...some low oxalate legumes...applegate 100% organic grass fed all beef hotdogs...they are delicious...some kerrygold grass fed organic butter...so i started this lifestyle at 56 yrs old..im now going to be 60...i lost 75lbs...my bloodwork, and stats are the same as a 40yr old...i have never felt better..and of course exercise is also crucial..and i have the energy to exercise more...so i suggest find what works for you..and keep away from ultra processed foods, and seed oils, and fast food..thank you dr.for your time, and knowledge..and being transparent and not at all ambiguous...
I had a similar lack of success after some time.
I tried adding carbs, adding berries, etc and my mood/energy/ sleep kept getting worse
Until
I did 3 day Sardine fast and measure ketones.
Once ketones went up my mood soared and my energy too.
I have resumed keto-vore with emphasis on adding fat.
I think our meat is just too lean.
For me, maintaining ketosis is the key to feeling amazing.
I can eat salad, dairy, meat, creamy coffee...as long as fats stay up.
Good luck finding your optimum
I feel like this is a common problem. People like to talk alot about what kind of meat they have and like "all I ate is ribeyyye" but nobody actually bothers to sit down and talk about the actual fat content in their food. Your ribeye might _start_ and "probably 20:20" fat-protein but after cooking and oxidizing you might have less than 5-10%. The only people who really fall out of the category are the people who gorge on tallow, and butter, and cream, almost entirely on its own. Fasting in general, people seem have had success with, even on carnivore. Which is interesting.
To be honest I strongly suspect humans are probably meant to eat entirely liquid meals some days. There are numerous references to various soups and broths where half the time the non-working or less sick would basically just get the meat broth and the hunters and workers get the actual meat... And that was enough to sustain you. Sometimes depending on the meat they would cook it down and just throw away the meat, or give it to the dogs. Particularly with organs
I think I might need to do this as well. Been doing carnivore for a while now but I just haven't been feeling all that great. I get so jealous when I read the testimonies of ppl who are healing and enjoying great energy and great sleep while on carnivore. But I have noticed that on the days I have made my special fatty concoction (consisting of 250grams of melted butter mixed with 250ml of cream) I have felt great and satiated; not needing to eat anything until the next day. Stephanie keto person discusses this a lot on her channel. She says that the point of a carnivore diet is to get into ketosis and if that's not why u're doing it then forget about it. I will try the 3 day sardine fast and afterwards I will stick to more of a ketovore plan with plenty of fat from butter, cream, cheese and egg yolks. Eggs make me puke when I eat them but I've been told to just try the yolks on their own and that shouldn't give me any issues.
@@ntombilanga3541Egg whites don't taste good to me.
I think you are right that we get too little fat. So every day I mix whipping cream and half and half in roughly 50/50 mixture and drink a couple cups. It has helped keep my energy up.
Yea tired on the diet as well. I think I'm healing but adding in beef tallow to increase the fat. Does it work yes, is it a magic bullet: no.
Really enjoyed this and very informative
Thanks for the discussion. Sounds very reasonable to me.
Awesome, ty so much for sharing!
appreciate your honesty
Interesting😮 thanks for the feedback
At what point was your folate low, I see around 20 units, and the range is 6 to 38 nmol/l, as far as I remember?
Your B12 was dropping, there's no B6 here tested. Both can account for higher homocysteine, alongside other factors, as you mentioned.
New subscriber here i'm with you on this strict carnivore diet killed my libido post more videos on this subject
What was your chest pain that went away and came back?
Sorry to here you had issues, I can’t watch all of this as I know you did a lot of experiments and wondering about many things you didn’t mention.
Good luck with activating the Randle cycle again
I give a lot of credit for open minded unbiased info like this. We need it. Thanks
You have told us that you are currently teaching the Primal Fusion Diet to your patients even though you have only been using it a few months and have no blood tests yet.
Never seen you before but I SO appreciate your speaking truth of what you're experiencing! Do you mind revealing if you had the Covid Vax, any boosters & dates? Thanks so much!
Wondering whether the volatility allows as much signal to be gleaned from the noise. My (non-medical) guess is that if you were to do blood tests over a week you would see at least as much volatility in many (most) of these figures. Something I do wonder about when it comes to blood work in general.
What sugar and carbs did you introduce. Was it just fruit? I assume not bread and pasta. Thanks
I guarantee that most of hyper carnivores like myself watched this with an open mind. But I must say, why is it that the FIRST thing people do when they have issues on carnivore is run back to carbohydrates? There are zero other reasons you may have experienced issues, aye?!
Does get frustrating to watch. Surely there's a way.
@@Ezramicon Yes, I’ve come across several seemingly strong solutions and ideas from Bart Kay and Sean Omara. I do not want to rely on sugar in my diet.
Perhaps the need is much higher fats?
Oh so he actually quit? Seems to be clickbait with the CZcamsrs...
I am about 90 percent carnivore. I take loads of vitamins along with my diet. I have no aches and pains. What I do plan to do is eat more often. Every few hours I will eat a hard boiled egg and I still eat apples. Moderation. I avoid flour, sugar and I just eat wholefoods.
6 and half years carnivore at 53 years old. My libido is still insane but I do body weight training which I think helps. Fruit just wrecked my digestion especially at night l, did not give me more energy. I find that the more active I am, the more energy I have. I have not done blood work for years.
Homocysteine levels have alot to do with the b group vitamins. Particularly b12, folate and b6.
This is why I don't eat the Lion Diet. I eat The Wolf Diet. Wolves eat some berries now and then but nobody is revoking their carnivore certification. There is a big difference however between a handful of berries now and then and going face first into a huge bowl of tropical fruit and honey as Paul does.
When men have a partner who has recently given birth, their T levels go down regardless of their diet. That's just nature's way of spacing the kids out a bit. Because you had fixed your T on carnivore, I think this natural post baby dip may have been more noticeable for you. I was trying to figure out, in the chronology of your carnivore journey, when the newest member of your family came along.
Out in the wild we would also eat fermented stomach contents of our prey as well as partially fermented meat from carrion or burried meat. Hence our love for fermented foods and that's also why we cook our food, as it denatures it similarly to ripening while being buried.
@@allolobophorus Fermentation was also a way of preserving food longer before refrigeration was invented. It works but I don't find fermented foods tasty at all. Personal preferences. Cooking foods OTOH, particularly meats smell wonderful.
all I can think Is that protein helps detox and recovery and there seems to be a big reason why people supplement with electrolytes. your body is fixing - recovering and it can make you feel great but also tired.
Question? How many years of bad diet before going carnivore? And you really believe all your health issues will fix itself in a year? Yes, I've noticed ups and downs as well during my carnivore journey, but every time after a low, I started feeling better days or months later. I believe that what is happening is that the body repairs itself and that it needs to store energy and elements before the next cycle. I compare it to a child growing up - it happens in spurts.
Also, where do you live? If you're not anywhere near a sea I'd advise looking at iodine (I didn't see you list a thyroid panel or talk about eating fish)
Appreciate the open minded approach. I’m partial to carnivore + various fermented foods sprinkled in throughout the year.
Seems to me to be the closest ancestral foods for most, especially considering all of our modern plant foods are alien to what was eaten then.
Try throwing in some extended water fasts and occasional fermented foods like a touch of Greek yogurt and sauerkraut (once a week). Looks like you could use some HIIT as well 🤙
Thank you for your honest opinion and I believe your conclusion is making a lot of sense. I also don’t feel completely great on strictly carnivore. It’s a balance.
Thanks so much for your honest opinion and sharing your experience. I value that , for that I subcribed to you channel.
Microbiome issues, perhaps? Need for B vitamins and cultured dairy? SIBO? Oxalate dumping? There is a lot to weave together to do this right if you have pre-existing conditions.
If you are getting carbs from that embedded in the muscle cells, why need to add more?
I eat ketovore most days and keto once in awhile. I cut out almost all oxalate foods. My labs are almost all excellent. The ones I personally struggle with are low ferritin, high LDL and high homocysteine. I do have MTHFR. I’ve fixed ferritin with boron and copper. Fixed homocysteine with tmg and folate. Now working on lowering LDL a little without side effects (joint pain, IBS) from carbs. I sleep nonstop for 6-7hrs and feel great!
Excellwnt video. Carnivore to clean out system and then Low carb / low oxelate moving forward. Sounds great !
I wonder if most people starting out on "strict" carnivore are actually consuming enough fat. It is easy to overlook this while thinking a fatty rib-eye or whatever is providing the right metrics. Hence the term 'high-fat'.....we need upwards of 200g per.day, which is actually way more than anyone coming from a carb-centric diet could possible conceive of.
I am almost convinced Permanent Chronic Pain being elevated by exercises (I had no business attempting) caused stress induced Carnivore failure for a week or so…..back to basics with Electrolytes and adding back Eggs……fingers crossed I will get back to feeling fantastic like in the beginning. 👍🇦🇺🥩
I’d say building a new house and having a new kid is a major stress issue can affect one’s body and attitude mental state. I know being in the rental, rehab business, that construction of a building, and dealing with all the stressors that come with contractors, and sub contractors, dealing with delays and then I had a wife on top of that. Who wants it done yesterday in regards to construction along with the original amount of quotes being Doubled or tripled are major stressors in one’s life. Keep up the great videos. Cheers.!
RIGHT?? Just being a NEW Dad! My husband went nuts for a while after the first baby... come on- give yourself a break! Babies are LIFE-CHANGING!
My thoughts also. A little bit of denial. People who are used to being 'strong' and 'tough' and 'pushing through' have a hard time recognising stressors sometimes.