The Awful Truth About Halpha - PSO2 NGS Lore
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If you’ve been around the community for a while, you will have no doubt heard all the crazy conspiracy theories about Halpha, the people living there, and even the ominous-looking tower floating up above.
We finally learn one of PSO2 NGS's biggest secrets - the awful truth about this home of ours - Halpha!
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Zephetto did nothing wrong. ARKS spend too much time on Casino during peace time.
A part of me hopes that the mc from basegame and the rest of the cast got their happily ever after, and that our new clone selves can forge a story just as great
Another part of me misses the old cast, since I only had one short year to be with them, and have already grown attached
In any case, I hope the Ultra Evolution update lives up to its name
yeah we just a person who got pluck by destiny, We already dead by 100 year tops, the story big man told was like way beyond us like hundred of year past. Maybe our genetic was keep safe and while big skeleton man want to make clone ark, he just pick our jar and make us again using technology magical. I mean like we are the best batch of DNA there is.
Hope they actually drop a mainquest like in base again, Not the first few dozen boring talk talk but the one like we fighting an actual freighter or warboat that got possess by falz.
The Oracle fleet had a 500 year span of peace according to Zephetto... That sounds like a sufficient amount of "happily ever after".
I think it has less to do with the Anti-photon group that Casra mentions and more with Xiao's prediction that without a strong enemy, ARKS would go into decline. As the saying goes, "Bad times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And weak men create bad times." This is a theme echoed in Phantasy Star 2 where the people under the protection of Mother Brain grew slothful and decadent. Same deal with the Photoners before the ARKS.
Also, ever notice how similar to Xiao, Crawford acts?
Dude I was saying that exact thing on stream the other day about bad times creating strong men!
I'll have to re-watch some of the base cutscenes, but yeah I can kinda see that, now that you mention it.
I forget if Xiao had a giant laser fetish.
@@zeehero7280 If you believe the Oracle Anime, he had one built into him.
I wanna see a scenario where it turns out, our clone MC somehow inherited our base pso2 MC's memories in the cloning process. Base MC's personality starts to resurface but by that time, clone MC has now become their own person.
Then we get a conflict where base MC wants to take over so they can fulfill their role as guardian once more and protect ARKS but clone MC does not want to give up control because they are their own person now.
So a compromise needs to be reached between the 2 personalities inside a single body.
Also, where is clone Quna? I'm sure you're hiding her somewhere Crawford!
Give us clone Quna concerts!
3:36
...*clears throat*
"Peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated youuuu."
now lets question what are the starless?
A) Lumming mechs remanents
B) Xiao personal army (i been saying Xiao its a closet villain and there is clues on EP3, 4 and 5)
C) an anti photon group conformed by diferent alien races
D) a whole PD cult or Darker decendant threat
E) none and its a whole new enemy on its own
Those all sound pretty interesting.
the universes answer to the death of the primordial darkness to restore balance
Glad to see another entry! I have to wonder as well: Zephetto confirms that we are about 1000 years post Shiva and PD. More accurately Leciels computer gives about a year in seconds early if my math is right (so 999 years). Are we about to get caught in the middle of the Profound Darkness *and* the starless?
With that kind of timing, it might be a safe bet that they're related somehow.
@@FeignJurai And just wait the new Profound Darkness awakens when were about to kill the Starless and it steals our kill and then becomes the real threat. (Dreams are wild lol)
I think the Starless is the PD, but maybe its evolved or something.
Personally, I think Zephetto had a rather shallow understanding of old ARKS
Even with crazy strong soldiers and legendary weapons, ARKS were still taking Ls. It was only after they resorted to time travel and allying with strong factions (Amduscia, Harukotan, Earth and Omega) did ARKS put an end to the Darkers and Photoners
many worlds are destroyed, so he probably don't know where to ask for help, besides he's not Xion or Xiao, he's just human that become cast.
and even wth many allies and time travel, ARKS still on lose side, even our option at that time can only seal PD on our body in the void, that before Trio Angels awaken their photons and help us.
i think Zephetto want to create perfect clone of us and those tri angels, since we had the highest photons.
@@Nematoda4ever And seem like there no records of Xion nor Xiao like their entire existence was erased from history. which is not really new in PSO2 when Xion erased everyone memories of Matoi and the events occurred around her.
As for choosing between Halpha Arks or Resurgent Arks, I'm more curious which team Aina and Manon choose, and I'm almost certain that they'll be on opposite sides of it.
Could Aina take a dark turn by getting the idea in her head that Leciel's cloning tech could bring her father back?
Could Manon take a dark turn by concluding that the experiment must be concluded to ensure all the deaths of the war weren't in vain?
Could the leaders of the four Halpha regions start to fight over who should control Leciel now that there's nobody at the helm of the huge environment controlling facility?
Interesting angles there. We Game of Thrones now!
I don't know it has to be a choice, Can't we accept that perhaps Xephetto was only doing what he believed was the only way to save the universe? we don't have to condone his crimes but we should at least use what he's already done, the tragedies he's already made, use that strength to defeat the apocalypse that's coming. It doesn't matter if he was morally wrong, he already accomplished something from it, and it would be stupid not to use it with something so big coming to destroy everything.
Would love to see Matoi again in NGS except her spirit will give the protagonist,Aina and Manon advice on how to defeat the Starless.
She and a few others showed up in Idola which happens sometime after PSO2 proper. I think they might want to get away from the timey-wimey stuff here.
@@Zeomantic inb4 our arrival in NGS is Xiao sending us into the future to help fight the Starless, and we just happened to arrive WAY late to the party.
After all, I didn't see Mothership Xiao in those flashbacks, which means Xiao and the core of the Oracle Fleet might still be around.
Crazy conspiracy time: Resurgent ARKS got their wish, just not the way they envisioned: they didn't birth a "new" guardian, they got THE guardian. The one who defeated the Profound Darkness: US.
I mean, why else would we look and dress EXACTLY like how we left off after EP6/old PSO2(depending on your progress) when NGS rolled around? To the point that we even have the SAME NAME?
I'm glad that we finally got answers and the story is finally getting interesting after two long years. I'd want to say that the wait was worth it, but I hope they never do a two year long mystery ever again. Well, at least new players will have a more enjoyable time with the story now.
I started a new character and it was nice to see that a mention of "909" is quite literally the first thing we hear in the first cutscene, I had totally blocked that out of my mind. But then there was an inconsistency as well: when talking about the war against DOLLS at Garoa's house it's Manon who says that the war has been going for over 500 years, when Zephetto claims it's 300. But then again, the war against the Starless has been technically going for 500 years and the DOLLS are a part of that war, so maybe that's what she meant. Or it's a retcon. Or Manon just isn't aware of the entire truth.
Zephy kept a fair bit from her because "need to know basis." If it isn't related to her main job, mum's the word.
I didn't notice anything about us being a clone. Only suggesting we were frozen and maybe memory wiped. It's probably intentionally left un answered so the player can choose for themselves. That way no one is shafted, people who imported from old pso2, or people who started with NGS.
Nothing suggests its not the same character, preserved in stasis and possibly memory wiped for some reason. But at the same time nothing suggest it isnt someone else, like a clone. probably best that way.
That is what I thought too. There are almost no indications of us being a special clone. In fact, we are too much different from any other clones or people on Halpha. The story and conversation suggest that only 'we' can fight those giant DOLLS units. In the story, although we received help from ARKS defenders. We are the only ones that directly confront the giant DOLLS units. It is almost as if they left others to fight the giant DOLLS units, they would surely fail.
Maybe it is the gameplay aspect where they need us to fight those bosses. But it is also what makes us different from any other ARKS in the base PSO2 story too (us fighting Dark Falz / Mother and being recognized as Guardian).
@@NocheLuz I also can imagine a reason for the memory wipe. We had obtained so much power before, and a time travel ability. If for some reason the time travel can't help us against this Starless thing, it is best we forget it, not to mention, forget our previous victories to let us feel that same fear and sense of urgency to drive us to become even stronger.
So now I’m kind of curious to the situation with the DOLLS now. Like are they just *poof* all gone with out a trace and never spoken of again or are they just gonna hand wave them away with a line like “we don’t need them anymore so we just dismantle them to make room for [blank]”. although personally I hope they are now like a new autonomous weapon/tool for the ARKs group to use! whether or not they actually do anything in gameplay or just simply act as fodder for the story I don’t know. But I think the idea of working with the DOLLS for story events or as back up for urgent quests events/limited time seasonal events are cool and a bit funny as the Irony of working with a former enemy to fight against the starless! A bit of wishful thinking on my part, but who knows…
I think that this may be exploring the concept of the great filter where sentient life can only progress to a certain point unless they can overcome the obstacle that stopped all previous sentient's progression.
I wonder if those ARKS that didn't join the Resurgent ARKS will come up at some point. If so, will they have diverted their tech away from Photons to using live ammo, like ARKS did in the fight against Shiva? Would we find them using metallic weapons? It's funny, considering in the original PSO, several of the strongest weapons in the game were actually raw metal weapons and live ammo.
While I was hoping Zephetto would choose to fight himself instead of using the 'Venogia' Dolls unit, I guess it wouldn't have made a lot of sense, as he's supposed to be a pre-resurgence-program ARKS from way back. He can't use Photons like us, so what would he have been able to do to a clone of the Guardian? Despite his apparently fatal parting with us, I don't think he'll necessarily be gone from the story. I do wonder if Leciele will be explorable/usable in Ep.2. That'd be nice. Maybe finally have a lobby area with a starry background again after so long? :)
It is feeling good to see that some of the theories players have come up with were correct. The story has picked up the pace and the new enemies feel like a challenge.
If somehow the story told us that we are not clones. But in fact, an ARKS (or Guardian) that was in cold sleep and they mistake it for a cloning pod. That would be interesting and explain a lot of weird things about our power.
Also, it would be very interesting if DOLLS somehow join ARKS in fighting the new enemies in space. While also training new ARKS on the ground in Halpha. So, I think we are not seeing the last of the DOLLS unit. In fact, I think we'll be the ones who created the new DOLLS for helping us fight the enemies.
Had the game ever established how much of the people on Halpha were Meteorn? My pet theory was by intermittently sending Meteorn they could contain the Dolls and Dark Falz without necessarily solving the problem. Over a long enough scale of time, those Meteorn earn their way to places of prominence with their natural abilities and scraps of knowledge about useful tech. Then Arks proper shows up, they offer help and already have people sympathetic to their ways, so they can claim resources or whatever MacGuffin is unique to the planet.
Basically take the Phantasy Star II plot but instead of slowly weakening it's an infiltration of the society to make in their own image.
Man, things just got very interesting with this, I doubt that this was the last of Resurgent ARKS' leader Zephetto (I really hope not), but yeah, the question about Halpha itself still lingers there, heck, it would be shocking if shadows of old past (like Persona the Masked) ends up appearing once more (which I kinda doubt... but I believe that at least a new TRUE incarnation of Dark Falz would be possible), but we have to wait until June to see what happens.
Business is about to pick up, that is for sure!
At least our PSO2 character died happily of old age while married to Matoi
Assuming ARKS didn't turn on them after ditching photons.
@@Zeomantic ditching photons? Was PS Nova a sequel to pso2?
Nope. Just saying they possibly stopped weaponizing them after the primordial darkness
Is that remotely implied or at least in the relm of possibility?
@@justicetaylor3050 May be in the realm of possibility. That, and/or not having a strong enemy anymore making them lose their edge after a while.
just happy that my theory about Clone is correct
Saw a marlu lookalike in the cutscene. I miss my fo/te teacher
Never noticed that
My honest problem with this . . . explanation that we got, is that it leaves open WAY more questions and problems than actual answers. For instance how in the flying hell are the people of Halpha supposed to "combat" these Starless? Everyone on Halpha has been subject to roughly 300 or more years of constant combat. Half of the technology they own is literally technology they don't even UNDERSTAND, let alone are able to replicate easily. It would have made much more sense to either "tease" or allude to either a lost ARKs ship or have Zephetto himself say "a signal has been sent, soon you shall be able to save us all" as a way to say "yeah we have a whole ass fleet on the way, don't worry". I doubt that Halpha itself is a ship due to the numerous pieces of evidence in not only the command room but also the sky box. There is more than one planet within whatever "system" that Halpha is a part of, and even then it's not clear whether it's a normal star system or something like a binary or trinary system. You can actually see multiple planets on the screens in the command room. So i highly doubt Halpha itself is a ship. And that's not even going into the fact that we have barriers ALL OVER the place preventing easy access from one region to the next. Which leads me to think/believe that the barriers must extend skyward so there's no way any of the Halphanians can even build a ship or rocket to get off the planet.
And that leads into the biggest problem of all. Leciel. The very FACT that thing exists and has existed for a while creates a massive gaping flaw with Zephetto's plan. If he could not only create DOLLs but also create ARKs/Meteorn . . . why didn't he actually communicate with anyone on Halpha??? Like, had there been a super secret plot passed down through generations and a myth of sorts built around it about some sort of god or deity that commands the people of Halpha to fight so that they may come to fight a greater evil . . . that would've been an EXCELLENT case of foreshadowing. Instead you have a bunch of people who know little to absolutely nothing wielding weapons they BARELY understand and technology they can't even BEGIN to comprehend. That is a literal comedy in of itself. And Zephetto expects us to be able to take the fight to the Starless??
Seriously, Zephetto's plan has more screws loose in it that it'd shake apart when even coming close to breaching Atmo.
Now as for what the "Starless" themselves are . . . i actually have kind of a thought on that. I think the Starless are either related to the original Dark Falz/Profound Darkness, or are a sort of off-shoot from the "avatars" of Dark Falz. I say this because i don't remember if we actually DID clear up that whole issue with the Subspace anomaly. Not the one that created Earth and all that. But the one where there was a whole ARKs ship that was sort of twisted/inverted and all that and was a large breeding ground for Dark Falz. Now if it's neither of those then it's something that CLEARLY needs more study on. Which i am baffled by the fact that the previous ARKs/Humans didn't do any of that. You're telling me, a small FLOTILLA of ships didn't try to examine a new spacial entity before getting hilariously shreked by them? And that's not even getting into the fact that several SOLAR SYSTEMS were swallowed by these creatures.
Which also brings me to another problem. Where the hell is the rest of the cosmic community?? You cannot sit there and say "There is only humanity" when it comes to that. There should have been entire small nations/empires of species all across the galaxy. So to sit there and say "oh it's only a humanity problem" is really really stretching believability.
They really need to get their act together story telling wise and stop going 85 KPH with a lot of plot points.
As someone who reads a lot about “hard sci-fi”, I couldn’t really get into the plot either because “where the hell is the cosmic community” was actually the last of my concerns. The scale of the whole thing is off even if you thought the DOLLS and ARKS factory was the only thing left.
I know this is science fantasy, but that scene just showed that you are capable of cloning people, you can spawn waves of large DOLLS without needing your base to gobble up a steady diet of asteroids first, and you’ve been at this game for at least 300 years. With that production capability you should have been able to have trillions of DOLLS and ARKS in 300 years to just flat out Zerg rush the Starless before they could appear, and just from Halpha’s production expanding outwards to other planets.
It’s hard to get precise numbers, but it looks like a typical skirmish with ARKS involves a “good” ARKS unit taking out about 30 DOLLS. Central City seems be capable of about 6 skirmishes per day (by the number of combat zones and how they talk about many units). Kvaris may be 2, Retem 4, and Stia 4. So to keep all those regions busy, 16x30=480 DOLLS per day as your original production capacity. That’s 175200 DOLLS per year.
Similarly it looks like about 10k died on Halpha, so over 300 years, that means you cranked maybe 33 ARKS clones per year.
So if instead of the pointless war, they instead went for mass manufacture to improve their practices, let’s say 10% per year which is easily doable with the faster than light travel, seemingly tiny need for raw materials, and cosmos that was peaceful because the big bads went away, in 300 years, they could have made the factory 2.6 trillion times faster, for 4.58x10^17 DOLLS per year and 86 trillion ARKS per year of production at year 300. (The joys of three centuries of compound interest.)
Who cares if they are “first generation ARKS” with low photon capability if there are trillions of them each with their own DOLLS-inspired battlecruiser drones?
Those starless better have an attack that destroys millions per second or they’ll just be overrun.
@@studiesinflux1304 ALL of this, 110%, just the mere FACT that no one sat down and went "y'know, in this situation, maybe the Photoners had a good idea?" is staggering.
No research. No planning. No thinking. Just 100% "yeah we're going to do the same ol' shit that was done roughly 500 or so years ago because, if it worked the first time??"
During World War 2, Britain created what they called "The wall of steel". Which was literally EVERY gun they had. Newer canons, old World War 1 canons, Blackpowder canons, canons ripped straight off of a warship, canons attached to TRAINS. When backed into a corner they threw up every defense possible even though most of those guns had MAYBE 10 shells each. Had germany invaded it would have been an absolute SHIT SHOW.
Now compare that to what has happened thus far in the PSO2 timeline and . . . you see nothing remotely close to that. No massive amounts of mobilization. Or massive armaments. As far as i understood it in the base game, the ARKs fleet was pretty much ALL THAT WAS LEFT of humanity after the Photoner Era collapse.
They . . . sorta had an excuse? In that i think they DID try to make a few colonies here and there but most of them were just obliterated by Dark Falz. And it wasn't until the Photoner attack that they were able to start a rapid buildup of war materials and even UPGRADE what they had. So that has a . . . semi-pass.
But even then, as far as i know/understand the ARKs fleet was regularly sending patrols ships/gate ships on supply runs to multiple planets/systems. Though that was only . . . *barely* explained both in-game and in the Anime. But still there was SOME FORM of actual LOGISTICS going on.
Now to be fair, when it comes to the DOLLs there technically *is* some logistics going on. The problem is that it's very subtext and not actual friggin text. My understanding is that all the factories on Halpha contribute to the material acquisition and refinement of various minerals. Those minerals are then teleported either to Stia for mass production or to Leciel for . . . ULTRA mass production (i guess?), that or Leciel is where all the fully constructed DOLLs goes for deployment . . . which kinda makes sense now. Either way, a lot of the "grunt" work is handled on Halpha via large automated factories. So okay, it's never really explained but the evidence is clearly there!
So . . . why did they not make DOLLs offworld?? Like i am more than certain they are barely using a percent of the actual MASS of Halpha in the production of DOLLs. If they took a singular planet, habitable or otherwise, and just turned it into a giant factory, you would have DOLLs for days. You could literally core that planet and have so many resources for mass production of DOLLs on a stupidly grand scale. And this IS possible. Just based on the observable state of Halpha itself, if it wasn't a "factory made" planet then it was Terraformed. Which makes it all the more puzzling why they don't have automated flotillas of DOLLs literally holding the line. And it's not like this wasn't tried in the past.
Because that is literally the whole POINT of Lilipa. That is why there are so many robots ON Lilipa. The Photoners already had the idea of "stupid mass production" before they ironically shot themselves in the balls.
So why the hell didn't Skeletor think about this? Surely it wouldn't take that complicated of a brain fart to come up with a similar plan.
Right, sorry, that was ableist of me. Zephetto can't use what he CLEARLY DOES NOT HAVE.
(Yes, i am roasting Zephetto. I love him as a character concept but they really dropped the ball with his machinations.)
Just . . . this is all making me feel like Ripley from Aliens
"I'm sorry, did the average IQ drop about 50 points while i was away???"
I am team Oracle
*turns 1000 years older*
I'm hoping after the June Update we get Leciel fully explorable as a 'region' with the biome set-pieces as the combat zone and the other facilities as tight exploration; and the Manon-esque Resurgent ARKS on board comply to work with ARKS Defenders as we make it a forward base. Whenever the next major story update comes surely we will get a first look at what the Starless truly is and we get new enemy encounters going forward, and hopefully learn more of what happened to the rest of Oracle since the devastation across the universe.
Honestly? Make Leciel a piece-by-piece random generated dungeon ala vanilla PSO2 content, I would way prefer that to circling combat areas for years to come again.
Diablo 4 definitely made me want something like that
@@raikohzx4323 Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh now that'd be even better to have
phantasy star has sooooooo much depth starting all the way back from the 80's
5:59 ARKS IS ARKS
Pretty much.
Thank you so much! I'm not terribly interested in NGS, but I am very curious about the story.
Nice to see it picking up.
Wow suffice to say something worse than the Profound Darkness is gonna be one heck of a fight what I'm wondering is how will Halpha Change via the Starless
And how will LeCeil and ARKS change to combat them
leciel, in french, le ciel, mean the sky
Oui
i just realized the ban weaponization of photon in gameplay starless can consume PP player when player attacked by starless special attack
in the another word starless can consume ARKS's photon energy that why they can't fight back starless in the past
thx for doing this, I played this chapter I wasn't focused because of my annoying nephews lol now I can recall what actually happened in an interesting way =)
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Leciel means "The Sky"
What an absolutely redundant name.
If I do have something to bet, I bet that the Creative Spaces coming in June will be held in Leciel
It could certainly support that, given how the outer areas look. That, and it's probably way bigger th an we realize.
How new is this story beat? And are the Starless potentially connected to the Seed forms from Universe?
We don't know much else about them besides what they did. I'm sure they'll have similar traits to fiends we've encountered before.
thank you for that video that was awesome
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
@@Zeomantic is that the end of the game?
Nope! It'll pick up where it left off in June.
FINALLY
THE PLOT
I know one thing, Xion and persona must be pissed right now that everyone is in heaven with them.
I’m curious. Are the starless anything from past phantasy star stuff?
Completely new, though I imagine they'll share some similarities with fiends we've encountered before.
The name of the faction, "Starless", is entirely new, but the SEED from Phantasy Star Universe maybe have a couple similarities
While the SEED are definitely the Falspawn-analogues in PSU, they share the origin of being a "mysterious force that came out of nowhere from space at some point" that the Starless have. It'd make for a second point if the Startless started showing up on Halpha now specifically **because** of the rise in Photon activity there - as the usage of Photon Technology (specifically A-Photons, the byproduct of using said technology) is what attracted the SEED in PSU.
Well on other hand episode 2 shall be apond us I half a year from now XD
I think Starless are the creation of the Photoner race or a race that has equal power with them.
I wouldn't take anything off the table
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Starless are the Photoners cleaners, like once the Darkers are defeated, they would send them out once all the fighting is done.
After I ran through the story, An anime called TTGL came to mind with a somewhat similar plot. One thing I can say, besides these darkers, there really is no one who is evil. They are doing what they believe is right even if some don't agree with it.
Nothing's ever as black and white as we think.
It would've been awesome is Zelphy was a photoner but alas thats not the case(?) I guess he was a cast (seriously WHAT IS HE?)
He certainly has the body of a cast. It would make the most sense if he was around the whole time. We don't know anything else about him before this whole thing popped off.
I'm still conflicted Even after the ending
Oh? How so?
What if we die and we have to go back in time to get our Mc from base lmfao.
I'd prefer they not violate the SpaceTime continuum this time around.
@@Zeomantic yeah that time stuff got really screwy.
#TeamResurgentARKS
3:19 ARE WE NOT GAONNA QUESTION THE HUMAN SKULL
I KNOW I PALY CAST BUT WHAT
they did say the cast have some of thiwr original human part in them but that was wack
I have to wonder if Zephy was there when the whole starless thing popped off, or he simply inherited the job.
It could just be a style choice given these ARKS are descended from people who brought Rappy suits, halloween jack-o-lantern heads, and even cosplay of enemy units into combat.
Even ignoring player customizations, recall even NPCs have beauty over function elements in battle like high heels (for everyone: men, women, CASTs) and they dematerialise weapons and other equipment rather than have a sling or retention mechanism in their costume to have the equipment ready to go faster.
Ho, Just the thing on my mind.
Not about that life
Yeah I feel that. Best to go at these things as a united front.
@@Zeomantic Agreed