HALLOWEEN: Was Michael Myers REALLY standing there? Breakdown and Analysis
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- Was Michael Myers REALLY standing in the backyard among the laundry sheets? Or was it ALL in Laurie Strode's head?
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I've always been able to go either way on this. Sometimes I like to think she's just seeing things, sometimes I like to think he moved so fluidly that he just disappeared into the sheets
Dave got me thinking deep about this on a Wednesday afternoon 😂
I think he was actually there. Stalking her, like he did with Annie later on. After that scene, Annie eventually picks Laurie up and we see Michael following them. From those series of events, we can deduce that Michael began following them from Laurie’s house because he was around there to begin with
It wasn't Myers in that shot, it was... Corey Cunningham's real father, SEAN. Dun dun DUN!!!!
I thought his father was Richie...
Funny 😅
I knew it!
Nope. It was Arnie.
I miss these kind of videos. This is where you really shine
I remember my dad telling me back in the 90s when i was a kid that Laurie was hallucinating when she saw Michael in Mr. Riddle's backyard.
I’d always had a feeling it was all in Laurie’s head that Michael was there at that moment. it’s such a iconic part of the movie as well.
I love this topic! The ambiguity of this is the kind of stuff that really draws me to Halloween. We don’t really know what Laurie thinks other than telling Annie she saw someone standing in Mr. Riddle’s backyard. She doesn’t say anything about him disappearing so it’s not clear exactly what she thinks she saw. Maybe she did think it seemed like he disappeared but didn’t want to sound crazy by telling Annie that. I love how it’s also a trick for the audience. It makes us identify with Laurie because we’re also spooked and confused. Maybe he wasn’t actually there and she’s just spooked or he was there but she’s so spooked she didn’t see him leave. It’s just a really cool little scene and I still remember the first time seeing Halloween on TV and being really intrigued by this part of the movie. It made me really interested because I didn’t know if Myers was a regular human or if there was something supernatural to him. Carpenter said he borrowed this effect from Hitchcock. I’d be curious to find out which Hitchcock movies had this type of effect. Anyway, fascinating topic!
Dave, I never mentioned it, but there's a great article on John Carpenter's Halloween called "Through a Pumpkin's Eye: The Reflexive Nature of Horror," by J.P. Telotte. It's heavily academic, but emphasizes the various ways in which characters in Halloween fail to pick up on the perceptual cues in their environment. It may be worth reading. 🤔
It was Michael sillies. We can’t forget he is a trickster and playful, that is why we love him! He knows Laurie is scared of him, the way the sheets hang to his left make a more than perfect escape
I’d be very curious to know if there was any other takes where Laurie does, in fact, look away. Since the first shot is Laurie looking out window, then we see the shape. I wonder if perhaps she looked away for a split second almost in disbelief (at the exact time we as the viewers are shown Michael) only to look back and see he’s gone. I wonder if the editor perhaps played around with these various takes. Then, the whole real vs supernatural is an ongoing debate that could have even continued into the editing room.
Great video Dave. I really miss you and the Halloween content man. That was such a good run, I’m so thankful for it. Hope you’re doing well
I think you really hit the nail on the head with this one, Dave! I never thought that until you started talking about it. Now it makes absolute sense.
Great Video Dave 👍👍😀
Very good video Dave. A new angle. 😊
Aha! Glad to catch this on my day off, thanks Dave! And yet you add another episode of how to pull your Halloween viewers in with another great topic. As a child watching this, I remember how this movie drew me in with the psychological "there he is . . . where did he go?" based tension. Great talk on your thoughts, as usual. I would almost want to lean in the direction that Laurie was freaked and only imagined Michael by the clothesline from her bedroom window, though it wouldn't surprise me if Carpentar really didn't give it much thought . . . would love to know his actual thoughts. Thanks for the video - it reminds me of why I love the movie so much!
It’s conversation and debate topics which make Halloween one of favorite films of all time. I’m definitely of the mind that Michael Myers appearing through the clotheslines was apart of Laurie’s imagination (she’d already seen him 2, 3 times before)… At the same time, Michael is just so oddly unsettling and supernatural that I wouldn’t be hard pressed to believe he just appears and disappears at will.
This was awesome, Dave
I believe Michael Myers was really standing there.
And Laurie probably even saw Michael Myers walk away, just like she saw him walk away from the hedges, when her and Annie were walking and getting close to their homes.
No, but then I endorse the theory that Michael switched focus and Annie became his prime target. Even without that theory, and if you regard H20 as canon, she also imagines him walking toward her just before Will met her near the school gate at night. So, from the scene in that movie we know that she does hallucinate him sometimes.
I've always felt like the phone should have rung then Laurie turns to the phone In a jump scare for a sec or 2 then turns back to the window & Michael is gone.
I think it was Michael in the yard , and he stolen a white sheet to use later on when he walks in with bobs glasses on , he stolen a Halloween mask , some rope, knives, 😊 I like to imagine that he was watching through the sheets in the yard hiding so he cut some holes and was still standing there when it looked like he was gonne !!!! 😮😂 he was there all along hahaha
Carpenter talked about this scene in the 1994 commentary for the film. He doesn't really directly address the topic of this video, but I thought what he said was interesting: "Jamie looks, sees The Shape....[cut] back to her....he's gone. It's an Alfred Hitchcock technique. We've been forced now to identify with her. It's through her eyes we're telling the story in terms of what's happening." If you haven't heard the 1994 commentary, it's excellent. It was originally produced for the 1994 Criterion laserdisc of the film, and was eventually ported over years later for non-Criterion releases.
What a great theory!
I love ❤ these halloween Theory videos their so funny 😂 and entertaining 😊 .
Hope your doing well Dave .
Yes She never broke eye contact but the sense I made out of this was Michael was behind the sheets and the wind was blowing those sheets. I always believed that the sheets were maybe blown in a way that it blocked her view of him and he used that moment to sneak away
I agree with you Vatoloco
I have a shirt with this scene and it says a freak in the sheets, a killer on the streets 😂
I think the scene would've played better if Laurie sees Michael stand by the sheets, the phone then rings and then Laurie looks at the phone and when she turns back towards Michael he's gone.
Yeah….being creeped out at the school and station wagon drive by could easily be the case. Great topic!🤘
Love this dude. Makes total sense🤠🤠🤠
Great Video Topic! I always thought it was in her head cuz of how fast he was gone.
I agree with Dave on this one, I always have. It was in Laurie's head that Michael was standing there. Like Dave said Laurie never broke eye contact.
Yes, he was standing there. They just weren’t thinking about this when they cut an edit in the movie together. I’d like to read something into it but you would’ve heard something by now if there were supposed to be some mystical disappearance or her hallucinating but it is fun to talk about.
I think he was there, but Laurie could dismiss it by thinking it was in her head. It’s meant to be questioned by us.
Could be a riff on the ending. I don't believe he just stood up and walked away after being shot by Loomis.
It really is the only daytime scene that feels other-worldly to me. And the look on Laurie’s face after she “sees” him is reflective, like she’s thinking about what she thought she saw. And she never lingers on the window or returns to it like others would. I think that was in her head and the other appearances were real.
Ok so I had to delete my og comment. I didn't remember the scene frame for frame. So Laurie looks outside the window..shot then focuses outside..we see Myers standing there..camera goes back to Laurie...then back outside...Myers isn't there...then back to Laurie slamming the window down. Then back outside and Myers still isn't there. I feel he was really there. That's why Laurie slams down the window...because she seen him walk behind the bushes..that was her reaction imo. We don't actually see him stroll off, but she does. If Myers just stood there longer, I could see Laurie also staying focused on Myers untill he made a move. Absolutely a perfect scene that can make you think.
Simply the best.
It was Ben Tramer in his myers costume from H2 but with 1978 mask.
Nice film👍
Here’s my opinion, In the thorn timeline since he is supernatural he was actual there and actually vanished in front of her eyes. For the H20 timeline he did it again in resurrection even tho he wasn’t confirmed to be or not be supernatural in that timeline. For the H40 timeline he wasn’t there and she was just seeing things.
I do believe it was her imagination, her mind playing on the fact she kept truly seeing him a couple of times prior throughout the day. It is the most logical and more plausible way of looking at it. Although a part of my likes to toy around with the idea that maybe it was indeed The Shape, an aura or force "visitting" her while his physical self is elswhere, a true "boogeyman" to scare people. As we know Michael is somewhere between human and the supernatural, where that exactly puts him we don't know and should never know. That's the beauty.
That’s such a great conceptual theory, what you mentioned, of Michael being seemingly able to astral project himself into an aura or “Shape” while his physical self is dormant somewhere.. It would also add to the Myers house being supposedly haunted according to Tommy Doyle as well.
@@tajcee Thank you, yeah my thoughts exactly.
Very interesting!! I've always thought he moves ever so subtley out of her viewpoint, but now, I'm not so sure. It makes more sense that it was, like you say, a warning hallucination of sorts.
These imitations are hilarious 😆
Or.....this can be one of the first signs (the very first by the bush when the girls are walking home from high school) that The Shape is supernatural.
Same situation in h4 in the gas station cafe.
What about the scene shortly after of Laurie and Annie driving in the car and Laurie tells Annie " I saw someone standing in Mr Riddle's backyard" was Michael really there or Laurie's imagination taking over at that point?
The whole thing with her seeing the Shape all day makes me question why Laurie was so dismissive towards Tommy about seeing someone outside of the house...
Yeah ! Well , Laurie's imagination almost killed her in the end of the movie !
He could’ve just walked off quickly as the camera turned to Laurie
Hey Dave. When Michael went behind the bushes did he pop up on someone's porch as they pass the bushes have look carefully
I always viewed that scene as one of the most effective in the film. I’ve had that conversation with many people over the years. I came to the conclusion he wasn’t there. Over the course of the morning, every time Laurie took herself out of the moment she was in and looked somewhere else, he was there, to the point her mind was now looking for him and not just her eyes.
Funny thing about Michael driving that car: in the early 80’s, with VHS, and older tv’s, seemingly always on their last leg, when Michael drove by the girls and they looked at the car, I couldn’t tell who was driving. If this was 1982, and I was 9 years old, probably every third car was a very similar station wagon. It wasn’t until 2009 that I had my first plasma, and the 2007 Blu Ray, that I actually saw him in the car. Couldn’t see it on VHS, couldn’t see it on the Criterion Laserdisc.
we all knew the type in school usually ended up as valedictorian and ivy league .
Michale myers has that crazy look in his eye 👁😳👀
Yes.
I think it was all in her mind telling her to be careful or what's to come its like a Sign
It's that one scene that takes me out of the movie. I THINK it's suggested that he was imagined or she did that long blink thing she did in H20 Offscreen
I also watched 78 again and i think his main target was Annie. Once he got her; Lynda and Laurie were just there. Because Laurie was so curious he came for her too. So now it makes sense in KILLS when Hawkins says It was never about Her.
So why did he display the bodies, Who was that for? It was Laurie who kept seeing him, Annie didn't. It was all mind games. Laurie was the one he fixated on from the moment she dropped the key off. He was saving her for last. He flashed the house lights to get her attention
I say it was in laurie head just like we look at pile of clothes on chair in morning but in night it looks a person
Michael was there. They just screwed up by not getting a shot of her looking away and then back out the window to see he left. All that is
I’ve never even considered this possibility… I always saw it as she looks out the window and sees him. The camera cuts to her frightened face seeing him as she jumps back. When the camera is on her Michael steps off just like the bush scene. When the camera cuts back to the yard he’s already gone. This is what he does… he watches you when your not looking. If you happen to see him he moves away, only to continue watching you when your not looking again. I don’t believe Michael vanished in thin air because the camera cut away and I don’t believe that this scene was in her mind because it follows the previous series of events.
It was probably don shanks
Good old John Carpenter! Inspiring conversation about a subtle scene shot over 40 years ago. I think the window scene makes the Myers pursuit of Laurie personal. Almost too personal. A "boogeyman " will kill anyone, without really putting much effort or thought. Myers, going to her school, finding out what room AND what seat she was sitting in so he can stare at her. Following her home, etc. Then standing between freshly clean white sheets while he stairs up into her bedroom? That's fascination right there. Myers isn't a simpleton like Jason, wantonly killing anyone who comes to Crystal Lake. This was personal and that's why the sibling story worked so well. If Myers was a boogeyman, he would have killed Tommy and the other boy who bumped into him after school. No, he wanted Laurie. The one question I have is, if Myers was already outside her home, why not finish her off then? She was home alone. That's the most troubling thing to me about that scene.
Great thing about this movie is how Carpenter made it so the viewer can interpret it in several ways. Personally..to me...i have always felt Myers WAS standing there and then vanished as i dug the whole ghost / supernatural element of 'The Shape' as he was described by Loomis. However i can see how you can easily say Laurie was just seeing things. Every time Myers does something that seems to be 'supernatural' there are reasons to give to explain it away....even him getting 'shot' at the end. If people want a very grounded Myers he can be that way....on the other hand if we want him to be something beyond human it can be that way too. Great movies are made like this so they will have a very long life after their initial run. Sad we dont have more ambiguous films like this anymore...
0:20 I'd actually think the opposite. Considering the objective of the mask being a blank slate for which the audience could project all their fears, emotions and thoughts on to, i think it prob just another thing thats purposly ambiguous. There of course so much purposful ambiguity to the character which is what makes him so great. He's there and then hes not, "did i really just see that silhouette outside", shot 6 times and seemingly walked away....all these moments are so great because they dont totally adhere to logic. It's actually the reason I really dislike the rest of the franchise, i think just merely bringing him back for sequel after sequel ruins that ambiguity and the logic aspect sort of breaks down to where its ridiculous imo
I think he was hanging out the washing for the neighbours. The least he could do really
The question was he or wasn't is the answer. that's what carpenter wanted to do. Question...question what you see and then what you don't see. Your mind versus reality. The Shape was there I feel ... Laurie just saw the consummation of what lead up to that moment . That was when Laurie saw the True Nature of The Shape. NOW YOU SEE ME..NOW YOU DONT. AND IT WAS HER INNOCENT BEHAVIOR. NATURE THAT ENABLED HER TO SEE AND NOT SEE MICHAEL. ONLY TRUTH INNOCENT TRUTH REVEALS THE EVIL. AND LAURIE SAW IT ALL. BRILLIANT. SHAPE ON!!! GOOD VIDEO DAVE 👍 🎃
Why dont we just ask john?? I know what he may say. But worth asking the SOURCE
I disagree.
Imagine being Laurie and entering your bedroom after the events of the day that Dave explained. You look out the window and there he is. He's already disappeared on you a few times today so this time your not taking your eyes off him. You stare. Then your mind begins to wander and drift... Soon you are daydreaming about who he could be, what his intentions are. With all the possibilities going through your mind you realize that your in something of a trance, not unlike driving the same route you've driven thousands of times before, perhaps on your way to work. "Funny, I don't remember passing Bill's Garage and Snack Shack, but I know it's about a mile behind me," you might think to yourself. Now you realize you've been staring out the window this entire time, but whoever he is, he isn't there anymore and his departure never even registered on your conscious mind.
This is not uncommon at all. We all experience such self induced "micro trances" with varying degrees of regularity.
halloween 4.5 an animated film that transpires in 1989 and by passes 5 : the revenge. i never wanted jamie to become the next shape. i knew all along they were never going to take that route. what they should have done is ship jamie off to smith's grove and then have michael break into smith's grove (give haddonefield a break for one halloween) in an effort to either attempt to kill her or traumatize her to the point where she actually begins to think she could possibly be evil to get her to join up with him....which she ultimately refuses to do and in the end she turns on michael and possibly/apparently kills him and saves rachel in the process. there a patient at smith's grove who is an edlerly man. this man some times seems to be helping jamie escape michael and other times he seems to he assisting michael in his quest to find her. this old guy would turn out to be charlie bowles who was mentioned in the graveyard scene in 1978's halloween as having hacked his family up after supper. it is revealed that deputy gary hunt (hunter von leer) in halloween II 1981 was judith myers's lover on halloween night 1963. they both have blonde hair. the deputy says he can remember halloween 1963 in halloween II. rev. jackson p. sayer from 4: the return actually did catch up with the evil he had been pursuing for years that he makes reference to in his conversation with loomis in 4 . when the rev. caught up with his evil, he shot it six times and actually killed it. the preacher called it evil, but the authroties just saw the corpse of a dead man that the preacher had shot six times. when rev. jackson tried to tell everyone the person he had killed was evil incarnate everyone thought the preacher was insane and he was also sent to smith's grove where he once again converses with loomis. while in smith's grove he / the preacher encounters michael and the preacher is convinced that michael REALLY is evil incarnate ... even well beyond what he had previously been pursuing and had ecountered/shot six times and killed. michael of course is on the trail of jamie. jamie would actually be in smith's grove. charlie boyles and rev. jackson p. sayer would all ready be there. deputy gary hunt could either be transporting paperwork about michael and/or jamie to the facility and rachel could be going to visit jamie there independently of each other OR gary hunt could be transporting rachel there for a visit with jamie and serving as her body guard. hunt while there encounters michael. he tells michael none of this was supposed to have happened. he tells michael he truly loved micahel's sister judith and they had plans to marry as soon as both were out of school. he tells michael that he / michael ruined his/gary's life by murdering judith and that is what set him/gary on his path of being involved in law enforcement; trying to prevent anyone else from ever suffering the kind of loss that he/gary did on halloween night 1963. this encounter of course ends badly for gary hunt
If he was there, wouldn't she have called the police instead of taking a nap lol. Not normal behavior for someone who saw him stalking her just moments before on the street. I never liked this scene to be honest with how he just disappeared and her reaction made it feel as if it was real while she literally never took her eyes off him.
Or was it an editing mistake. Lol
No he wasn't laurie was just creeped out
Yes he was really standing there
I think Tommy freaked Laurie out about the Boogeyman she created an illusion of Michael Myers and killed all her friends herself. Loomis came in and shot the walls to make her feel better about it. After taking her to the hospital she killed there and blew poor Loomis up at the end of it all there was no Michael Myers.
Must have been that before school doobie blaze with Annie. Tripping..