1-In-25 Mums Traumatised by NHS Experiences
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 12. 05. 2024
- There are calls to overhaul the way that the NHS treats the thousands of women who are left suffering post-traumatic stress disorder after harrowing experiences when giving birth.
A new report into maternity services led by MP Theo Clarke after last year when she told the Commons that giving birth was the most harrowing experience of her life.
Divina Johnson explains her experience of giving birth to her first child in 2016 saying she 'thought she was going to die.'
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I had my son 31 years ago, he was an 8llb 11oz baby and he was dragged out of me by forceps, i was also told to stop screaming, it was the most horrifying experience of my lifr, so much so i never had anymore children.
That is their ultimate goal. They make it so horrific that we don't go back !
@@user-og2wq8os2w Ur right!! This is off topic but i have had similar experiences in Piercing shops,hairdressers where if they're jeakous of u .have something against u or are simply too lazy to do their job they'll give u bad service so u can quickly get out and not return
And majority of the staff seem to be childless/unmarried even though they'd prefer to be mum/married, is this part of the reason?
Iâm a nurse in the UK, both in the NHS and private sector, Iâm not surprised at all. Iâm myself traumatised by working with some evil colleagues and management. I have been trying to quit because of this. Unfortunately you cannot change a corrupted system from the inside (I tried). If I got ill Iâd go and get healthcare in my other country.
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Thanks for your honesty
What?!?! Much higher than 1 in 25! Try 1 in 2! The NHS left me completely traumatised with their lack of care, procedure and complete ineptitude. I had two babies with the NHS and a few other procedures.. all so bad, I now go private even though I have no insurance. Two emergency sections because of their gross mismanagement of my labours.
I was a qualified nurse and STILL had bad treatment for two of my three deliveries. For my first, she was facing the wrong way and the tail end of my spine snapped as she was born. I was in great pain and could not sit down, but wasn't believed. After three days a doctor took me to a room where he roughly examined my spine and I shouted out with pain. He commented sarcastically that I was just 'jumpy', and nothing was done. I suffered for about a year afterwards. For the second birth I was left alone trying to deliver a 10lb baby and was crying in pain when he got stuck. I had so many complications afterwards and believe that they should have monitored me and done an emergency caesar. There are many wonderful NHS staff who an amazing job, but there are also too many who don't. When I first started my nurse training many years ago, I was shocked at some of the nurses who had a callous attitude to the patients, I hadn't thought it would be like that.
Why would you expect your treatment to be different from someone who is not a nurse?
â@loumc8610 my sister is a nurse, they literally roll out the red carpet when she goes to see the gp. When I go, I am ignored, all concerns are brushed aside. I now have private health, it's a shame it does not cover maternity. I am currently pregnant and really worried how I will be treated.
â@@loumc8610 Because one would assume that their peers (no matter what industry they work in) would want to give a better impression if its someone who works in the same field. Especially a field that requires empathy and care.
@@sensimania thatâs fakery not empathy
@@everydaywinning i hope that you have a safe delivery
I have PTSD and trauma after giving birth to my son.
I had a 37 hour labour, and was in the hospital from 8pm, and he wasn't delivered by c-section until 5.30pm the NEXT day (i wasn't progressing properly).
My epidural was done wrong, i was chastised for "not pushing" when i was, and then they were about to cut me open on the table as i was screaming at them that i could feel everything, and they weren't coming near me with a scalpel. The anaesthetist was poking me on my foot with a pen and arguing i couldn't possibly feel it! I was hysterical by that point (and my sons heart rate was seriously dropping) so i was pinned down by staff and knocked out, to have an emergency general.
My son wasnt breathing for 4 minutes during the melee, unbeknown to me!
I was in hospital for 8 days. Asked for a bedpan and it was thrown on the chair next to the bed, where i couldn't reach it (i couldnt get out of bed), i was also told "you're not breastfeeding, so we're not feeding your baby", although i was still bedbound and couldn't pick him up!
My hubby was in the ward from 8-9am to 9pm every day to look after our son, as the nurses weren't helping me.
I was also chastised for not getting up to walk around like the other mums who had c-sections, even though I'd had a general and my legs were giving way, and my BP after giving birth was only 64/35.
No compassion, no caring. Nurses full of sarcasm. Forcing women to breastfeed in the ward who didnt want to, and bullying the younger mothers in there.
I think i slept 2 hours in 8 days, as every baby was constantly crying. There were 8 of us in one ward.
Ended up with severe post natal depression/psychosis for months, and barely remember the 1st year of my sons life.
Never had any more children (which I'd have loved to!) but i was too traumatised and terrified to try again.
They are midwives not nurses
I am so sorry for the terrible experience that you had. No women should have to go through what you did. I hope your body has recovered from this since. đđż
This is one of the reason why many women don't want to give birth - not having compasion and essential help you need during the most traumatic experience in your life. Politicians better stop treating women like we're at their disposal and provide the adequate care
Women who don't want this are just wise
I'm going to share another taboo - My Mother trained as a nurse (and was a midwife) and she always maintained that the training had gotten so much worse.
Back in the late 50s and 60s Matron ran the ward like a drip sergeant, and standards were maintained.
No ward would be filthy, no bed unmade, no patient would be suffering, hungry, thirsty, unwashed or traumatised - Matron would give one look and every nurse would be hopping apparently đ€·đŸââïž
(and God help you if you were rude, abrupt or laughed at a patient!)
Maybe someone (or these ladies) need to start a review website for different procedures and where to get the best care (like Trip Advisor) - the NHS would soon start paying attention when all expectant mothers request to go to the "good" maternity wards!! We women need to learn to mobilise and fight for each other!
Firstly this isnât a taboo
Secondly the work load was significantly lower when your mother was a nurse, hence why nurses had time to do all the things mentioned.
Standards of the pretty stuff may have been higher (such as a well made bed) but injuries and deaths rates in childbirth for mum AND baby were much higher too!
I don't believe having a made bed and a clean sterile ward was or is classed as "pretty stuff!" It is exactly standards that made it work and would make it work today, Even in the 70s 80s standards were better. For instance, nurses had uniforms for a reason, not only did it separate doctors from nurses and other staff, their belts told you how trained they were, they were also worn for hygiene. Today you can't tell the difference between an HCA or trained staff because everyone wears scrubs weather its in the hospital or while walking around town. We were taught to cover our uniforms up when leaving the hospital due to transference of germs. Infact you were fined if you were caught not covering up. Care workers look filthy these days in trainers or crocs and grubby cardigans. There's reduced care because of a lack of standards and direction.
@@Ethericrose Very well said! Exactly đ đ
I was so traumatised by my experience in the hospital I would never have another child..... If I had not been on the ball they would have injected me twice in 1 day with blood thinners because they mi's wrote in the notes what medication had already been given to me, they over anesthatised me and suppressed my breathing and had to intubate me, they nearly killed me and that's not all of the horrific mistakes they made..... A week after I discharged myself they killed a new mom by giving her induction medication AFTER she just gave birth..... Absolutely desgusting Sheffield hallam shire hospital.
đł an induction injection AFTER she had already given birth??? How does that even happen??? I hope her family dealth with them accordingly
I delivered my baby at Queen's in 2021, I had a traumatic experience as well and wanted to get out of the hospital as soon as possible as the after delivery ward at Queens was terrible. The nurse was not even happy to grab a cup of water to me who had C section and my entire lower body was numb and couldn't walk straight after. I was not even offered a hand to stand up, she politely refused saying "The water station just round the corner help yourself darling" . Furthermore, during a distressing moment when my newborn was crying inconsolably, her lack of empathy was evident when she remarked, "You should know why your baby is crying, how will I know." This lack of understanding and support added to the distress of an already difficult situation. As a taxpayer who contributes significantly to funding healthcare services, I am disheartened by the lack of care and compassion I received during my time at the hospital. I believe it's crucial for healthcare providers to uphold high standards of care and empathy, especially in sensitive situations like childbirth
I recently had a baby at an NHS hospital which I'll never do again. They had me laying in a blood soaked bed for over 3 hours until someone decided to stitch me up after I tore. They kicked me out of bed at 1am and put me on a ward for their own convenience. I was consistently referred to by the wrong name, as was my baby. They confused my medical history with someone else's. They refused to get me a drink of water the morning after I'd given birth. The hospitals are filthy, unsafe and the majority of staff are hostile towards patients. They are an absolute disgrace and I'll demand a home birth next time.
Did they keep calling you Heinz?
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where they white drs or poc? what part of the uk was it? labour ward?
@@random_an0n it was north Durham last year, staunch Labour. Around 60-70% of the maternity staff I dealt with were native and the rest were poc imports while the patient demographic is 97% English here, one of the highest England. One thing that stood out to me was that all of the young nurses and midwives were foreign, while all of the English ones were middle aged and heading to retirement.
That's crazy and very traumatising. I hope you and your baby are doing well now.
I had the most horrible treatment from Nigerian midwives at the Royal London. They were constantly annoyed and kissing their teeth when I asked for help. At one point, a midwife who was adjusting my baby's feeding position grabbed my baby's foot and tossed It aside while speaking to me like I was a child. Got to the point where I was scared to call for them.
Why are so many people so scared to stand up for themselves? I know it was a delicate and stressful time, but i would've gone mad if I saw anyone manhandling my child and talking to me in a certain way.
I keep hearing bad Press about Nigerians working in our hospitals and nursing homes !! Stating how evil and cruel, not all i hasten to add ,but why just Nigerians
â@@user-bv9is4zc8w My brother said the same thing about the ones working in the care home where he used to.
Oh no that is absolutely disgusting!
â@@sensimaniastrangely we're somehow put under some kind of spell by these demonic freaks. I'm not joking! It's absolutely weird.
Sadly empathy has left this once great country.
Less empathy 20 years ago, but also less support and needy people
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I would think asking for compassion during childbirth isn't asking for much
@@justsomestranger4894 your need for me to repeat myself shows the generational problems. Iâm giving answers that your not reading or donât like. The NHS has always been compassionate, maybe the new generation not so much!
@@ianlewis1969 a woman giving birth is now a needy person? You sound like you work for NHS
@@loumc8610 no, just a dose of reality.
It's not just childbirth - NHS is not fit for purpose. I'm a tetraplegic and I would have to be just about dead before I enter a hospital again. Been in many hospitals. And yes, some are better than others but the standard is still too low by far
Completely agree, I know several people who now say they will only use the NHS in life threatening situations. Hope you get the care you deserve btw
@@bakedbeans9546I had fantastic care in my local Hospital!
I had my baby 23 years ago, it really does depend which hospital you go too. I found the nurses and doctor, as it was a very difficult birth, absolutely marvellous could not fault them.
But the ward was terrible, I couldn't wait to get out. Taking blood samples from me everyday for five days, sometimes thrice a day. With absolutely no explanation of why by nurses or the doctor, who took blood, after my veins collapsed in both arms. My arms were black not just one bruise but a huge patch .
I asked umpteen times why finally the doctor said it was because I had had a ten pound baby and they wanted to know why!
I'm still awaiting the results of those blood tests lol.
Or the actual reason for so many being taken. I refused the last taking of blood and was sat in a corner surrounded by six nurses telling me not to be so silly. I still refused. I finally got out the next day, twenty minutes before my husband arrived to pick me up, a Indian doctor came and said that I needed a blood transfusion as I had lost a lot of blood. I asked how long it would take, three days he said, no definitely not. So signed a form for my release. I was fine, a week later , a nurse came took blood again, exclaiming what on earth has happened to your arms??
Told her , she took blood, looked at it, said it's far to bright a red for there being anything wrong with your blood. Two weeks later she came I asked her about my blood, nothing wrong with you, perfect she said.
The nurses on the ward there was no communication what they were going to do with you, just hello Mrs .... Rubbed my arm needle in taking blood.
I would say the first thing I would do is explain why I needed bloods and what I am about to do to you and it will only take a minute. Sadly lacking in any communication skills at all. Once is fine but when it was three times per day I want an explanation!!!
23 years ago is a long time ago (roughly the time when I was doing my training as a doctor). Trust me when I say NHS resource, and consequently care, has deteriorated across the board since then.
There is no difference between them working in a warehouse and a hospital...caring is not something they provide at the NHS.
To generalise about the level of care in the NHS is wrong. Without in any way diminishing the suffering of those upon which the report was based, these cases are a minority. My partner had excellent and compassionate cancer care last year from just about everyone concerned. But things have to change for maternity care.
I also had an horrendous time at an NHS hospital. Thank God me and my son are still alive, many staff on those wards are just down right evil.
It is a postcode lottery, they also don't tell you that you CAN move hospitals. I'm so glad we did, because some hospitals were frankly brilliant and others were trash.
This is so sad, I had an awful experience after my c section which has made me choose not to try for another child. Why do these people go into that line of work if not to care for others.
They act like the whole pricess is mechanical, as if the baby is hospital property, and the mother is doing a job for them and doing it badly.
They jab your poor little newborn baby without even asking your preferences. Thet lie and scare you. They are appalling and any good ones are rare.
the ones that handle births with babies that could have risk of life lost or a scan shown they are going to be born with disabilities. The team is amazing
While the birth rate is lowering âŠ
The working nurses are intent on hearing that after the ordeal of childbirth, you wonât be having any more babies, l wonder why they have that agenda, l think it must be a directive from management.
Had a perfectly healthy birth of my daughter. They messed up & gave her drugs she didnât need (only finding this out on the discharge notes) so rather than admit this they kept my daughter and I trapped in the William Harvey hospital for 5 days over the holiday seasons. I couldnât leave the building and if I did for more than 5 minutes I was called a bad mother. I was poked and prodded every 2 hours like a test subject. I am still having flash backs of being taken back to hospital and not being able to leave. They coerced me into returning to hospital for âone nightâ and kept me for an additional 5 days.
Then on my release day they tried to make out it was because they thought I wasnât fit to be a parent and asked me multiple questions before I left. It was absolutely horrific
Did you have anyone advocating for you?
Hey sorry to hear that. After having done some due diligence, William Harvey has a bad reputation for birth and instead I decided to give birth at London. Hope you're okay đ
Evil institution. I feel it when I'm in there. I've witnessed it and also had horrifying experiences myself. I regret not doing anything about it.
@@sensimania yes. I sent a formal complaint and once I can I am contacting a family solicitor who contacted the hospital on my behalf to get me out as they wouldnât let me leave. They even said on day 5 âI donât think youâre going to leave actuallyâ.
Then the social services was telling the hospital they have to let me leave, they had no right to keep me in there.
Making up she had rashes (upon inspection she didnât), antagonising me at my most vulnerable, nurses saying I needed to be medicated ! (I broke down in tears because it genuinely felt like I was in a black mirror series)
Every day I doubt myself as a mother because of that experience, in public I feel judged even though the reality is Iâm doing a good job. It really messed me up.
@@bbj4613 So sorry that happened to you. I hope the staff on duty gets whats coming to them.
I also hope you can recover from that horrible experience. Therapy may help see you through đ
This is nothing new. I used to campaign for changes in maternity care. I went to parliament to discuss this in 2005 after 2 horrendous births myself in the 1990's. Nothing has changed sadly.
Both my births were traumatic and i still think about it with horror 28 years later. Both sons were breach and 10lb , i had to bring them " Naturally " there was nothing natural about it .at one point the hostile midwife said "if you want this baby, you better pull your finger out " i wasn't even given a sip of water during a 24 hour labour, she didn't ring my husband till i was at the pushing stage ,all i could think of was he'd crashed on the way to the hospital. The Leicester Royal Infirmary is a place of terror not care
I really feel for these women I was really lucky to have a great nhs anaesthetist for my c section canât imagine being treated so badly when your so vulnerable too
Two specific examples: The basics aren't done properly anymore taking blood inserting cannulas. The amount of cannulas I've seen inserted incorrectly is shocking. Are people not trained to do this anymore? Second specific example. People always talk about doctors and nurses but patients are looked after by healthcare assistance, washing, cleaning, positioning, dressing, anything else that is not medical... Is not medical... These people are paid poorly and overworked. If hospitals had twice as many hcas people would have a very different view of the NHS
Agreed. Some people can put a cannula in without unnecessary pain and some are horrendous at it
In 2020, I got sent home when I arrived at the hospital and told to return when I'm screaming in agony. In the time it took to drive home, I was in full-blown labour and my son's father had to call an ambulance to bring me back. I was 10cm on arrival and told it's too late for any pain relief. I endured a 12 hour back labour unmedicated, and suffered two 2nd degree tears. To add insult to injury, I was kept in the hospital for three days afterwards as they mixed up my blood tests with another mum's. I ended up discharging myself as I was starving, missed my home and family (my son was born during 1st covid lockdown so I couldn't have any visitors or eat anything from outside the hospital) and was exhausted as the ward was noisy 24/7. Never again.
My labour was progressing quickly, but they told me there were no delivery rooms available. I was stuck in triage and luckily got a delivery room just in time, panicking tremendously up until then. I had third-degree tearing but had to wait for over 10 hours for stitches because other women needed more urgent treatment in the operating theatre.
I've unexpectedly fallen pregnant again even though I was taking precautions. And I'm terrified.
Get a doula and investigate home birthing
@heatherw.3528 Thanks for the suggestion! I do have gestational diabetes though, and I'm 36 years old, so I feel like this one is a high-risk pregnancy. Home birthing sounds really calming, though!
@@aa-fw2pw a doula can advocate for you in hospital as can a private midwife if thatâs in your budget. Good luck đ€
Don't be afraid. Second time is often much easier. My first was forceps
@LMC232 Thank you for your encouraging comment! This is actually my third pregnancy. My original comment was referring to my second pregnancy, and I think that's why it was progressing so quickly. My first was in another hospital in another city and was a positive experience. Unfortunately, I can't go to that same hospital for my subsequent pregnancies because I can't stay away from my kids for too long after birth.
My niece was born via forceps. Yikes! I hope you're both OK!
This is terrible to hear but not surprised with how much the NHS is squeezed now and has been for so long. My wife had a terrible birth and pregnancy for the term. Hopeless midwife - very unprofessional, needed surgery - cut through a major artery and almost died there on the delivery table, forceps delivery because they left her too long in labour and could not c sec, struggled to feed as so many tubes, three or four attempts at injection to spine, one nurse badly handled our daughter and was so rough - we had no idea how she was not hurt. The only good part was they kept in for a week compared to the norm 2-3 days then kicked out. Amazingly she held it together and is such an amazing mum to our daughter (women are just amazing people and do not get enough credit!) Sadly it traumatised her so much she is scared to have a second child which is a real shame as we always wanted two children.
Iâve had 5 children and have good experiences 4 born in St Maryâs London and one in St Thomas London (brilliant care at both hospitals).
Would not have another child because of the way I was treated throughout my labour, delivery and after when my son arrived at 33 weeks. The lack of compassion was horrific and only added to an already very traumatic experience. Itâs taken 20 months of counselling to start to be able to function normally and the idea of going to hospital still gives me panic attacks. Shocked and saddened this is so high, but not surprised. It feels like a gamble with the odds of having a good birth experience outweighed by the bad.
Midwifery is a very specialised training .So glad i did my training at a highly respected Obstetric training hospital .Sadly, now midwfes are trained now through universities, and the care and compassion isn't there.
On the other hand allow me say special thanks to Stoke mandeville Hospital in Buckinghamshire
2yrs ago I had an emergency c section and the staffs were so caring from the theatre up to when I was discharged and 5 days ago I had another baby v birth and again the care was absolutely incredible,
You are very lucky. I live within the clutches of that hospital and I have made formal complaints twice for their criminal lack of care, duty and professionalism. Those complaints were for the potentially life threatening mismanagements not for the other times when they were rude, gave out wrong meds, left a very sick child for hours, misdiagnosed, forgot us etc⊠terrible hospital imo
I could never use the NHS again. Its been 3 years I've been with vitality and I've been the healthiest I've been in years. I could never Subject my future child to any NHS staff.
Iâm glad youâre well, but not everyone is able to have the choice.
@@buzzukfiftythree I live alone. Grow up in the foster care since I was 7 years old. Aged out at 18 and let on my own, and as a child I had a lot of trauma 65% of that came from dealing with nhs staff. I still struggle with CPDST from the things nurses did to me m. I take medication to keep my mood on a normal level and I work to be able to pay 60ÂŁ a month for my healthcare. I get not every is as able to work, but the only reason I donât buy into that for to long is because of my own life experiences and issues I still deal with everyday. To me at the end of the day if you want to change and be more happier in your life you have to push through the pain and have an understanding that nhs is a money making machine there is more incentives to keep people unhealthy, instead of helping them to the point they donât need a doctor every other week.
Traumatised does not qualify what i went through!
me too and it was 32 years ago and I am still shocked at my care my lack of care!
I expect your kind to be tougher than this?đ±đ±đ±đ± that is absolutely abysmal. In 2024, i cannot believe we are still discussing racial problems in child delivery. So sad, honestly.
This is precisely the reason why I have chosen not to have children.
My 2nd son was born in Jan 2023. I basically saw no staff whilst I was there, I wasnât checked throughout my induction. I had a high risk pregnancy, but no one seemed to care. I was forced to share facilities with a lady who hadnât been checked for any diseases.
When I then went in for emergency forceps, the anaesthetist said âWhat is the red wrist band for, what are you allergic to?â I said âlatexâ and he said âWell that wouldâve been nice to know before Iâd used a latex cannula.â I was then parted from my baby for 45 mins as they couldnât get a bed to move me off of the operating table.
I have since ended up with a CSF leak which has left me with crippling headaches, so Iâm on an urgent referral to Neurology due to this. Trauma doesnât come close to how I feel 16 months on.
As a nursery nurse who has worked within maternity hospitals, I can absolutely say ALL of these problems are due to overworked and hurried staff. They just do not have the time to offer the level of care that is required. Compassion and empathy all take time and it is time the staff just do not have. They are stretched too thin to give each woman the time & attention that she deserves.
No, you are wrong, not ALL of these problems are due to under-staffing... I am one of these women and what I experienced was much darker than that.
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One of the additional problems of being understaffed, is that you do not sack the less professional members within the team. You are inclined to give them another chance rather than just get rid of them.
Stop lying đ
It's all connected to finances., Are epidurals and/or ceasers discouraged because of costs the hospital is reluctant to spend.
I was a maternity nurse about 40 years ago. Mum's had the option of putting their baby in the nursery where qualified competent nursery nurses cared for baby and gave mum a break. It was decided to get rid of the nursery nurses using the reason that mothers and babies should stay together 24/7 regardless of how tired mum was because of "bonding". It was the buzz word of the era.
IMo it was bulldust. Nothing but a means to save the hospital money.
I have to say I think the training abroad isn't good enough often.
I had a baby in June 2021 and I honestly do not have a single positive thing to say about the care I received. It was absolutely atrocious, none of the staff had a single clue what they were doing, they didnât believe me when I said I was in pain and left me alone for 6 hours telling me I wasnât in labour. Funnily enough I was! There was no care before, I was repeating ambulanced to hospital during my pregnancy because the gp wasnât listening. There was no care after. I tore and when I had stitches they yelled at me for being in pain, and carried on without giving me pain relief. It was absolutely atrocious.
Exact same happened to me. It was agony. East Ham hospital
Induction process started Wednesday morning, had my daugther via c section on Friday evening due to having a high temperature and infection. Had my waters broken in a brutal way, I screamed for the midwife to stop and she didn't. 2 pethidine injections (slows down labour), left without a midwife for 12 hours as they were short staffed. No help breastfeeding afterwards. I didn't end up breastfeeding which caused me to become depressed. This was 5 years ago and the whole experience still haunts me. I'll never have another child.
Good old NHS. You know the one you clapped for during Covid. I'm sure I will now get "The NHS needs (even) more money" National disgrace.
Many of us were not clapping
I had a beautiful birth in a midwifery led unit with no pain relief not even gas and air and the staff were absolutely amazing. However, 4 days later I was readmitted with sepsis, I could feel myself dying and was denied pain relief. My cannula fell out and they tried to recanulate me 8 times and when that failed they just didnât put one back in. 6 hours later I felt like I was dying once again mu heart rate 160 and blazing temperature. They bought an ultrasound machine within 2 minutes to recanulate me. All this time I was breastfeeding a new born with my body shutting down. I asked for a pump because my milk was leaking everywhere due to the babies crying I was SOAKED they said no. This was 12 weeks ago I still havenât left the house I cry every single day. Iâve told my GP he said Iâm resilient so Iâll get over it.
That is horrific
I had my baby in Dec â23 and had a terrible experience. They mixed up by babyâs blood test results with another patients resulting in a much longer hospital stay than necessary, the heating system stopped working in the middle of the and we were so cold. Nothing was done for hours to repair the issue and had a sleepless night. Lack of compassion from staff; mothers were expected to collect their own hospital meals if partners were not around and you get shouted at for not collecting your meal within minutes. Just one of many things I experienced & still have PTSD.
The correlation of problems in Childbirth between âPeople of Colourâ in the U.K. and those in the African Continent are almost identical.
Thereâs a correlation between tories and healthcare/ living standards being sent back to the Victorian era.
@@naomi5495You speak with a forked tongue.
Whats your point?
@@naomi5495 Ah the Laborious Activist speaks.
Please expound further what you mean.
Aberdeen hospital maternity staff are legends. My daughter wouldn't be here if not for a fantastic midwife who came in on her day off just to check on us and discovered a problem. I personally believe they are the best and I will always respect them!
lol they almost killed me and my child.
@@naomi5495 'Almost' killed yours vs 'Definitely' saved mine. I wont belittle your experience as its just as valid as mine. You can do a 1000 things right and get no recognition but you get 1 thing wrong or make a mistake and no one lets you forget it. as i said in my personal opinion I love them
Aberdeen is not in England thankfully I feel like most of the issues start in England. Scotland and Wales are doing somethings right
I endured despicable treatment from some NHS staff during my pregnancy and birth. It was utterly traumatic and still is. Many of my friends have also had traumatic births at the hands of the NHS mid wives
My wife recently had c section . We had an amazing experience. She didn't even realise and the baby was out. 1 person was calming her down and other was telling what they are doing . It was really nice for us. But also know of close friend of us who had a very bad experience in normal birth . They didnt want to take women to c section till the last moment which put her in a very dangerous position
I absolutely relate with you... the poor and negligent care was unbelievable.
The solution is obvious: privatise the NHS.
We could hold the health service and treatment level to account, weâd all be richer and pay less tax, and more lives would be saved. If it was a private organisation, weâd also have and expect customer service and competition from other companies would drive improved services (empathy, care, etc) and targets (wait times, patient satisfaction, etc).
Gone would be the days of long waiting times, and fully booked GPs..what a ghastly idea!
The NHS killed my grandmother, missed cancer in my mother, refused surgery for my father (which after a 5 minute private consultation ended in surgery which solved his 15 year problem), and nearly killed my friend when they gave birth.
Greatest service this country has? Give over.
Totally agree! We pay high taxes for our entire lives for what?? To get killed, ignored and traumatised! Healthcare should be private and we should be paying much less taxes.
Look how well privatisation worked for the water companies - investors took out billions in dividends, did not upgrade any infrastructure and now they are spewing raw sewage into all the waterways without any penalty. Just read all the articles about Thames Water!! Itâs a lesson - Privatisation does not improve essential services.
@@anjalianthony1656 I went private for something I was waiting 4 years on the NHS for. Solved in 7 weeks. Looks like it works to me. People choose private because it works :)
@anjalianthony1656 does this justify NHS's utter incompetence, toxic culture, and inherent lack of compassion? Please don't start with "mismanagement of money" - if an organisation's entire maternity service is known for evil treatment and bullying of patients, no amount of money can change that culture! They have zero competition and utter complacency, that is the problem here! They need competition and we need private services instead of paying NHS... as simple as that!
@@anjalianthony1656 water is privatisation without choice so they can treat customers appallingly and there are no other water options. Disingenuous. Private health care would be a matter of choice in providers. If water were run this way, it would be a different game altogether
Two babies, two birth traumas. I can never do it again. It truly nearly broke me in every sense.
The nurse was saying to me stop powshing we are not ready yet how will u stop đ
Poor women,its horrendous for women who have a very hard labour,the pain its self can make you feel like your dying,I'm not surprised they can suffer ptsd & then they have to go home feeling like this & look after a new born baby.đź
I can relate as my experience was traumatising for my 2nd child and I never had anymore. I was sent home to then bleed and once back was to late for any pain Relief so I suffered 2 and half days and my midwife was so mean I demanded her leave , new midwife came in broke my waters straight away and I gave birth. basically the first midwife left me to suffer in agony.
Iâm in the USA and I had birth trauma as well. We had insurance and birth plan and everything. Pregnancy was great but labor and delivery horrible. It happens. I feel for this mama, I really do. But it happens all over the world. You can put in a complaint to the hospital if you felt you were treated unfairly. Not sure if it will help but it might help keep a record of specific complaints.
oh, shut up karen
Nurses, Midwives and Doctors are way too stretched. Ultimately when there is persistent understaffing, quality and standards drop. Staff could take their time and show a lot more compassion if they weren't so rushed off their feet.
It's not about being understaffed at all, the nhs is one of the biggest employers in the world. It's all to do with the awful type of people who they hire
My biggest issues with the lot of them has been their poor attitude and being misdiagnosed 4 different things when there was NOTHING wrong with me and that was my first experience. they kept me waiting for 7 hours for basically no reason other than to stress me out to the point i discharged myself for my own sanity. That really did not help fill me with confidence for future pregnancies nor cope with PND.
This time i had to go for a check and the attitude was "Look, what's the problem" What's going on" "tell me what i need to know" "why did you have IVF". i was emotional and even cried and all she gave me was an irritated attitude. Thankfully everything is fine so far but i am worried and nervous about the same or similar happening again.
This is why some people donât want kids. Who wants to deal with childbirth followed by a screaming baby and sleepless nights after. Also your freedom and job being cut off unless you can pay for high daycare prices.
Yep and Iâm one of them. Never wanted children and after hearing this, I donât regret my choice. This woman is incredibly brave to go through this three times.
All of my friends,that are brazilians living in the UK, had horrible experiences in childbirth. When I got pregnant, we'e in Brazil and my husband wanted to come back to the UK as we'd have a free health service. I said to him I didn't feel confident enough and Praise God we're blessed with health insurance in Brasil and resources that provided me with the best experience I could have. We're in the UK now and want to have more children, I often think about these horrible stories. But now as I know what to expect for a respectful medical treatment I feel more safe to do it here.
Please tell them to follow you home.
@@stringer-ik1pc Home is in the Uk now, darling. You like it or not.
Thank you for saying WOMAN and MOTHER. As it should be.
I was traumatised to when I had my child.the nurse made it so bad for me .they stiched me twice because the practional nurse could not do it so they had to do it again what she started be removed.
I could write an essay about how dreadful my births of my 2 daughters were born on the nhs⊠Iâm just happy that they are now lying sleeping next to me because I honestly feel like me and my 2 daughter could of been dead from births⊠I hear bad and similar stories from other mums aswell⊠awful đą
I had a positive birth at Croydon university hospital. While the overall experience was great when it came to the postnatal care wasnât that good.
I was offered pain relieve, support of breastfeeding but no one came to ask me if I needed to change my bloodied sanitary pad after a C-section.
I had my own pads on my bag so I decided to change it myself. I wasnât meant to bend down but I was feeling so filthy I decided to do it.
While I was changing my pad I dropped some blood on the floor. I ringed the bell to let them know so it could be cleaned up only to be given a piece of paper and âclean it yourself with your feetâ then she proceed to give me a puppy pad training to use it next time... At that moment I was alone as my mum went to get some lunch.
I was lucky I left withing 24 hours of my c-section.
They discharged me and I was waiting on my bed for my parents to come back from lunch and bring the car seat for the baby.
A lady approached me and forced me to leave the bed and go to the tearoom. I managed to dress up myself but I couldnât tie my shoe laces.
When I was at the corridor another staff told me âyou have your laces undone, be carefulâ.
I told her I was literally rushed to leave the room, with no help as I was alone. Then she got a bit surprised and tied my laces.
My discharge and postnatal care is not something I will remember as being nice.
Huge respect for the NHS especially because my sister in law works at the same hospital I was treated, (and I know how hard some people works) but a lot of people do not understand that not all humans cope with pain the same way and some people are more tolerant then others, but that does not give them the justification of making light of someone's else extreme discomfort. This is basic lack of humanity, to have no empathy in others, this is not a lack of funds issue. Please listen to women in pain.
I've notice the only people who have "huge respect" for the nhs are relatives of those who working the service.
@@bakedbeans9546 Because you are given the facts, not just a disgruntled nurse/doctor and then make a judgment on the whole system based on 1 interaction.
I was treated as a joke by one of the male nurse while I was in a ward, I could barely walk from the pain, yet he offered no help at all because he said I could deal with it myself. All other female nurses were extremely kind to me though. So I am not going to judge the whole ward based on 1 idiot (a golden rule in life which applies to everything).
@@BlackRabbitDigitalP not just "one interaction". I've faced medical malpractice from the nhs more than once, along with several people I know. My friends baby died at 7 hours old because of medical malpractice. My other friend died age 26 by medical malpractice in a&e and left 2 small children without a mother. This is a widespread problem within the nhs which people like you refuse to acknowledge.
â@@bakedbeans9546 I have no relatives on the NHS, and my partner had 2 very bad experiences for the first 2 births. Third one was at a different hospital and with a prenatal diagnosis for baby of a serious condition. This last time was faultless and all doctors, nurses and surgeons provided the best care. Little one is now 2 and she's still receiving the best care from the NHS. It can be unpleasant sometimes but I think when the diagnosis is a very serious one they do show their very best.
I would also add that they're human just like us and I like to think everyone does their best with what they have. And what they have in terms of resources is often limited. Overall like in any job mistakes can happen. But if I'd do 24 things well and 1 wrong no one at work would be blinking. Healthcare affects us personally and it's important to improve standards, but we can also talk about the 24 mothers who had a smooth/good experience.
Sounds awful and have heard anecdotally some really sad things happening. I did have amazing care from the UCLH continuity care team, if more teams like this can exist I think it would be great as they were excellent, local and I didnât need to be in hospital for my appointments. I also managed to have a home birth for my first child (Iâm 5 weeks postpartum) and for anyone low risk and considering it I would HIGHLY recommend as the experience I think was hugely better than labouring in hospital. I hope more provisions for home births are made possible.
Wow!!!!!
Well, our government says we need to focus on trans people (who make up less than 2% of the country) and fighting wokeness (equality). So why does this shock people?
We do NOT need to "fight wokeness". We need maternity units in the NHS that treat LGBT patients decently and with respect.
I had a bad midwife and a sadistic doctor in East Ham who stitched me up me without numbing me up. When I insisted he used some he stabbed me with the needle. I've never forgotten and it's been over thirty years.
I'm a mother to 8 children, and this is the very reason I became a Doula/birth worker and home birthed my children đą And as a Black woman, it's even worse for us, now I fight everyday for better treatment Black women, because if you take care of us you take care of all women
Iâm so glad I had my babies in the US, in birth centers and hospital but I knew how to advocate for myself. Birth should not be traumatizing.
I was so bullied trying to give birth to my 4th baby, as I refused the induction. They kept me 38 hours to be book for a c section, my waters broke but no labour, and my blood test before the surgery came with high risk of infection, many problems after, 5 doctors were coming in trying to convince me toninduce, my baby wasn t in a good position and he was a very big baby. The amount of intimidation was so...I had 3 natural births but sometimes that is not the best option! Also in the other 3 birth tones of other problems, lack of care!
And that happens even if you go to GP, you have to beg them to give you treatment for your children! It s so dissapointing
This is horrible đąđąđą
They messed up my epidural and gave me a spinal. Instead, I had to have men coming in every hour to top up my pain relief to which they kept being late, so I was screaming in agony. Then I got sudden new pain while pushing that was absolutley insane i couldnt breathe and i knew something was wrong but no one listened to me I was screaming somethings wrong while pushing and a midwife said "its just childbirth pain you need to listen to us" I screamed back "NO ONES LISTENING TO ME, SOMETHING IS WRONG!" finally they got a doctor to come check me and turns out my baby was stuck. If I'd carried on pushing his life and mine would of been at risk as he was half way down the birthing canal. I was in so much pain I couldnt even see straight or think straight then suddenly there was a guy in my face asking me about my teeth and my nose ring and waving a peice of paper in my face, I had NO idea what it was for I remember shouting "can my husband please sign it I can't even see it rn I'm in so much pain PLEASE give me pain relief" but he said no you need to sign it. They didn't give me pain relief until I signed it so I remember signing just so he wpuld leave me alone and to get the pain relief. Turns out it was concent for forceps and emergancy c section. I didn't even know why I had a c section I thought it was because I was screaming too much. I didn't have a clue what I was signing for but after 19 hours of labour I finally had my boy by emergancy c section. I was so dehydrated in the surgery I felt like I would pass out and I needed water but they kept saying I wasn't allowed anything until after surgery when it was finally over they wheeled me back up to the recovery room and I had my baby in my arms but I couldn't see him as I was laying flat I kept asking for them to put me up abit so I can see my baby but they keot saying they can't yet. it felt like hours and hours until I could FINALLY look at his face. Sooo traumatising I'm NEVER having children again! Also was in the hospital for 2 days after due to me having a fever and one of the midwives left me all day the day after my surgery with only 1 paracetamol all day
The night midwife came on and said WHY HAVE YOU ONLY BEEN GIVEN 1 PARACETAMOL ALL DAY! She was fuming bless her as when she started I was crying in pain from the surgery I couldn't even sit up. She was super nice she got me pain killers straight away that helped me function she was fuming that the day midwife had left me In pain all day. Tbh i never ever want another child simply because I'm terrified of having that experience again. I told multiple midwives my baby wouldn't latch they kept saying it was me
Spent 3 weeks struggling Turns out he had tongue tie that no one checked for and by the time it was found my supply dried up I was heartbroken.
That's horrific!
I felt very well taken care of at Aberdeen Maternity Hospital †There were a couple of cranky staff members that spoke to me poorly, but my midwife was a saint!
Iâm 73 now but when I was 20 and having my first child there was one doctor I hated seeing on my check ups. When he examined my tummy he used to press really hard and it hurt and was gritting his teeth as he did it. Then when I was in labour and had to open my legs the doctor wasnât happy that I hadnât flopped my legs apart enough and he slapped me on my thigh. Iâd never been in hospital before and never had a baby and being young I didnât complain about it. As I write this I realise how wrong this was but I was far too shy and unsure of things to complain back then. Add to this a 36 hour labour and then my baby was taken away and put in an incubator so I couldnât hold her for a few days so the whole thing wasnât a very good experience and I think now I had post natal depression but it was never diagnosed
Only paracetamol and ibuprofen (when they remembered to give it which wasn't often) after an emergency c section. Wasn't allowed my mother in to help with baby. Expected to walk across the ward to get my own meals so stopped eating. The level of pain is hard to describe, but the worst thing is it's constant. And whenever I mentioned the pain or anything negative I was just told to concentrate on the baby. Yes, he's lovely, but I don't think preventable agony should be the price to pay.
We midwives are traumatised too by the conditions we are forced to work in.
I had my son 37 years ago .Terribel experience .My two daughters were born in Belguim and i had a better experience .
The NHS is horrendous. We need to stop treating it like a national religion. Scrap the whole thing.
And go back to the Victorian era? I guess youâre a Tory then.
This is not a first time mum problem, it is a culture within the NHS to be mean to new mums. Lack of staffing, overworked midwives and lack of equipment are often the excuses used by staffs for their lack of empathy.
I think a lot of people in the UK donât realise that they can request/demand an elective c section. Every woman in my family has had to have an emergency c section when they tried to give ânaturalâ birth, so I knew this was not something I wanted to risk. I was much more comfortable with the more predictable risks associated with an elective Caesarian. Birth can be so brutal and all I was told by the midwives when I said this is what I wanted was that âthis is what your body was made to doâ. Iâm glad I knew that I could demand a c section, because going blind and âtrustingâ into a situation like ânaturalâ labour and birth is not something that I was willing to accept. I tell all women I meet about this now, as we should be able to make informed choices, not shamed for not trying to go ânaturalâ.
And to clarify, I should say that I had a great experience with the elective c section. Although it was difficult, as any serious surgery would be, I felt empowered and present in the moment. The situation felt calm, because it was scheduled. I did feel a bit rushed out afterwards during recovery, was out within a day, but this didnât give me significant distress due to the fact I was prepared for that. This is such an important issue for us to discuss, grateful for this inquiry
Time for the return of the home birth and women's shared wisdom. Birth is not a medical emergency in most cases, it does not belong in the hospital as the norm.
I don't have children, but reading this news, l am glad that l didn't. But very sad for these mums.
My thoughts exactly!
I had my first child 40years ago very different birth due to size of my son over 10lb l can still name the midwifeâs the doctor , they weâre absolutely wonderful ,
I am a nurse and would never birth in a hospital unless I truly had to.
Can I sue the Nhs for mistreatment, during child birth?
You can but they rarely admit fault
You can attempt to but it is really hard to sue public bodies such as the NHS. You may be successful if this was something out of the ordinary and not within the norm.
They always hide their faults
I suffered post-natal depression after my son was born I had 6 stitches force hips and an epidural I went in at 11:30pm and had my son at 6:27am in the morning and the hospital had no air con amd it was 100 degrees june 2004 and my son was screaming and went red be a use it was to hot in that ward
Didn't go home till the day after where I hadn't eaten or even had a cup of tea the whole time I was in I didn't go home till
The day after at 3:30pm the next day
Of course the staff are overworked and stressed out, but I do think that recruitment procedures and training have to change. We must start training our own midwives rather than recruit from other countries where we will have absolutely no control on the training they receive. From what Iâve read, this does appear to be part (not all) of the problem. It is naive for government to believe that training is consistent among all other nations.
Some nurses/midwives from a particular race are awful I've noticed.
Hency why i say we arent lucky having nhs treatment at all...we accept bad treatment because of it...what happened with all the funding?
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Follow up baby mother was excellant
Iâm mother of 5 , my pain was every 3 minutes still send home end give birth at home đą
don't like the free NHS service..... then pay your way with private healthcare.
The NHS is NOT FREE, we the people pay a crazy amount in tax. Private healthcare is no better.
@@user-cu9cb5mx2hâcrazy amountâ= less the most economically comparable countries
Itâs that attitude of the staff. You can have all the resources in the world, but if the staff just does not care, no amount of money / staffing will solve that issue. Iâm currently experiencing this cold, sour, uncompassionate level of care where youâre treated as an inconvenience and a bother.
NHS has been great for me and my family.
You and your family are the veritable unicorns, then. Congratulations
It wasnt good when i had my twin's but im glad i wasnt lying at home on my own... some our nice some r horrible but we dont have enough peeps in the system to have a private feel to our nhs
Edit... I would rather have more staff for the elderly and the cancer patients
When people hate their lives and their jobs they donât do well by the people in their care unfortunately.
This is why i see some muma looking to give birth outside the UK. I nearly considered it myself but it was top late.
I am terrified for my daughter who is having her first child in her late 30 s a long awaited ivf baby all maternity units in our area rate poorley from by CQC
Have you considered a doola to accompany her? or taking a holiday soomewhere near a good hospital close to the time?
Did she go through Complaints System?
What complaints system, we have been voiceless for years, they lie and twist and finaly its getting out, this is the tip of the iceberg.