Yamaha Tom Hooten Signature Series Trumpet Mouthpiece
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In this episode, we will dig deep into a relatively new offering from Yamaha - the Yamaha Thomas Hooten Signature Series Trumpet Mouthpiece. Tom Hooten is the highly acclaimed Principal Trumpet of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, and is also an avid educator (he teaches at University of Southern California). His signature mouthpiece is really fascinating to me because it is heavily inspired by the Yamaha 17B4 & Bach 1-1/4C, but has numerous important tweaks to dial in its performance for efficiency, response, and intonation. This makes it another great orchestral option for those who really prefer the 1-1/4C! I also use a new and robust mouthpiece comparison and design tool called VennCAD, which lets us see the various alterations "up close and personal" in 2D space. 🤓🤓🤓
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If you're interested in this mouthpiece, you can find it at many major online mouthpiece retailers for between $50 and $60 - a very affordable price for a custom orchestral model mouthpiece!
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Yamaha Thomas Hooten Mouthpiece - usa.yamaha.com/products/music...
Learn more about VennCAD - www.vennture.mp/venncad/learn...
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Gear featured in this video -
Yamaha Thomas Hooten Signature Series Mouthpiece
Yamaha Chicago II C Trumpet
iPhone 11 for video
Zoom H2 for audio
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0:00 Introduction
0:10 The Hooten Specs
0:36 Hooten on the Hooten
1:05 17B4 vs. 1-1/4C
1:25 Hooten vs. 17B4 First Look
1:48 The Hooten Rim
2:31 The Hooten Cup
2:52 The Hooten Throat
2:59 The Hooten Backbore
3:38 Playing Examples
4:18 Who do I recommend the Hooten to?
4:32 Price and Final Thoughts - Hudba
If you enjoyed this mouthpiece feature, check out my video about the very innovative Yamaha John Hagstrom Signature mouthpiece! czcams.com/video/61ZaA0Er82c/video.html
Jon, thanks for doing this. I really appreciate it!!
I was happy to do it! Thanks for helping create another great custom mouthpiece option from Yamaha!
So, after watching your vid about orchestral mouthpieces under $100, I ordered a Tom Hooten and a Bach Symphonic 1 1/4C 24/24. Still waiting for the Bach, but the Yamaha arrived today. So far, I love it. I've been a Bach 1 1/4C guy for years, and recently discovered the Yamaha 17B4, which I think I like better. I'll be playing in a couple of orchestras this Fall, so I need to settle on a more symphonic mouthpiece. I've only used it for a couple of practice sessions, but I really like the Tom Hooten, so far. Big sound, comfy, and plenty of color. It also gaps really well in my Yamaha horns.
Nothing like getting off work, and seeing one of these fantastic Jon talks trumpet videos, keep up the great work
Thanks Kevin! Really glad you enjoy them!!
I picked one of these up after watching this vid since I have been looking for a 1.25C option for my Yamaha C trumpet with a more efficient back-end than the conventional “24/24” setup. Now it is my go-to mouthpiece!
My teacher has a funny stories about Hooten. My instructor (whose an all Bach player for Bb & C) was playing a concert with Hooten. Tom noticed my teacher had his Bach C and 1.25C mouthpiece. Turned, nodded, and said “hmm. Bach. Strong.” My teacher found this amusing as Hooten played a Bach mouthpiece in LA Phil til his signature model came out. And of course all Yamaha horns.
Thank you for your video!!
Awesome! Thanks Jon
Glad you enjoyed it, Sam! You're welcome!
Just ordered one. Thanks!
You’re welcome, Ken!
Hello Jon. I decided to try one and have been getting used to it. It works very well with my Bach 43 Bb. It even gaps correctly. But on my Schilke S22 it feels very unstable and just a bit too open. I think it's gap and/or Venturi mismatch. It does make the 43 more orchestral sounding than it normally wants to be.
Thank you mister Kaplan for this video! I liked it!
Thanks, Matthia! I'm glad you liked it and hope you found it informative.
A Yamaha 15B4 appeared in my mailbox today. I mainly play jazz, and so it's as big as I would ever go. Honestly, it plays better than a Bach 3C. I'm liking it.
I'm proud to say, I am a trumpet nerd!
Apologies for commenting on an old thread... but after playing the Hooten on my C tpt for a number of days I think this is a really solid mp. Its one of the most stable mps Ive played for response, intonation and consistency of sound. Whilst it sounds a little smaller to my ear in my bubble behind the bell I have been assured that it really opens up and fills the room in front of the bell... more so than my Parke (645-280-24). I've played the Gould, Aubier and Damrow... and this one has got the best balance for me. Well worth a try for any 1.25 player oit there.
I think it sounds better than my old Schilke 16, which sounds pretty solid, and this was on a 1950 Conn NYS. Literally bought it to have a mpc when a second instrument arrived that needed playtested when mine was in the shop.
Curse you for showing me another mouthpiece I'll have to add to my wishlist! ;)
Mwahaha! 😈
Amazing video
Thanks! Very glad you enjoyed it.
Hi Jon, great video! Currently I’m trying to decide between the Hooten signature and an Alliance Brass (Denis Wick) Prestige #2 …. The Prestige is very deep so it’s low register is very resonant, obviously the high register is a bit harder work, for the likes of me anyway 😜. The Hooten is comfy on the rim but for me the Prestige just shades the Hooten for comfort. I’ve also got a Yamaha Fritz Damrow signature mouthpiece …. I’ve not blown through that one so much, having focused more on the Hooten and the Prestige …. It is very responsive, and despite being less than 17mm diameter cup it’s comfy for me. Have you tried the Damrow signature at all? Keep up the great videos please Jon! 👍❤️🎺
Donald 🏴🎺
I love my Bach Artisan 1C. Very comfortable.
That’s awesome! I’m glad you found something you like!
I want a kaplan signature piece :)
LOL maybe someday... 🤓
It's amazing that he got the Atlanta job on a stock 17B4 that came with the horn.
It's amazing, but not all that surprising considering his unbelievably high level of playing!
@@JonTalksTrumpet Jennifer and Tom are both terrific players and people.
I am just a high school player, play in the school band only but I switch from the Bach 11/2c to Tom Hooten Mouthpiece over the summer. It was a big surprise. However, from my felling, it seems to required a lot more consistent air, otherwise the articulation of the first note will be so heavy.
Correct, it is not a very efficient mouthpiece. To get brilliance, you will need to push quite a bit, or become a very efficient player like Tom
These videos are super helpful! I really like Hooten mouthpiece sound in all registers and dynamics but I'm not as happy with the rim compared to the stock 17b4. So I may have my first custom mouthpiece made by copying the stock rim onto the Hooten cup/backbore. Do you know if one can get the Hooten .mpc file somewhere? I don't see it on the stock venn cad library. If that's not available then the simplest option would be to add the $50 consultation with Vennture-which still seems like the best deal for this kind of custom work. And there's that 10% discount, so thank you!
Hey Ben!! So glad you’re enjoying the videos. I would be happy to hook you up with a bunch of files if you message me your email on one of my socials.
What's up Ben? Hope you're doing well!
hey nice video im fascinated in buying a new MP after 17 years of playing! i currently was using yamaha TR-17B4 and thought about buying this Hooten MP.
So the question is, is it worth to try and find a full gold plated hooten MP given that i want easier slurs and brilliant sound?
or shall i go for a 14a4a GP just for a tottaly different experience.. i use a yamaha 4335 trumpet and plan on buying 6335 for XMAS
thanks again JON!
Hey! Happy to help. Sure, definitely give the Hooten a go if you're enjoying the 17B4. Gold plate won't have any affect on the sound of the mouthpiece but the smoothness of the plating on the rim does seem to give it a more slippery feeling on the lips which can help with flexibility. Might be simplest to just test a silver plated one. 14a4a is a common choice for a very SHALLOW mouthpiece but in my experience most people don't find it actually usable for most things.
VennCAD - wow! Maybe due a video all of it's own?
I know, right? It can do so much more than I showed in this video. My next video will feature VennCAD to a much greater degree so stay tuned. 🤓
Great informative video Jon. I guess I own enough mouthpieces to make an anchor for an aircraft carrier! 🙄 Of course an immense mouthpiece collection is the hallmark of a trumpet player!😁 A a few notes; I own a Yamaha 17B4 and a Mark Gould model. I also own a Bach 1-1/4C with a 25 throat and a 117 BB. The Gould is a great mouthpiece and a couple of my students use one. Compared to the 17B4 the Gould rim seems flatter with a little more bite, the throat seems like a 24 and the BB seems close to a 24 although I am not 100% sure. I just wondered how the Hooten mouthpiece stacks up against the Gould? I have always preferred the rim on a 1-1/2C over the 1-1/4C. Just for reference I use a GR 67L on my Bb and C, and a GR 67 #5 cup on the cornet. Many thanks for the great video! 👍
So glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your notes on the Gould, I might need to add it to my list for this series based on your description of it... I've never played it but it sounds like another great offering from the Yamaha Signature Mouthpiece line.
The specs are listed online, the gould is a 25 throat
Thanks for commenting! The Yamaha website lists the throat for the Gould as 3.88mm which converts to .1527 inches which is around a 24 drill bit. Where did you see 25 throat?
@@JonTalksTrumpet stuck a 24 bit down the throat, didnt fit, 25 fit perfectly (3 separate Gould pieces). Drilled one of the Gould pieces to a 24 throat (removed brass).
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experiences!
The Mark Gould model is similar to the 17C4, I believe.
It's hard to say. The comparison chart on the Yamaha website (usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/winds/mouthpieces/trumpets/comparison_chart.html) shows the Gould in the same column but just above the Hooten which indicates that they might consider the Gould slightly shallower than the Hooten (or maybe a smaller average cup depth?) and that both are less deep than the 17C4. I'll have to check the Gould out.
I have a 17C4 as well as the Gould. The Gould is a lot shallower than the 17C4 and has a bigger throat. The 17C4 reminds me of a stock 1B with a 27 throat. Of course any of these would make great orchestral mouthpieces. Herseth was a big fan of the Bach 1B with a 22 throat and 24BB. I have one of those as well, so when I clam an attack, I can crawl in there and hide!😁
How does this compare to the Yamaha 16E?
No idea! Certainly the 16E is a much deeper mouthpiece and probably a little narrower. Let me know if you ever get to compare them and what you observe.
I wanted to hear whether this mouthpiece really helps bring the upper G into line, but you used your pitchfinder to lower the G, so I didn't get the information that I wanted.
LOL! That’s a good point. Certainly Mr. Hooten feels that it does, but for me old habits die hard and I normally am quite high on that G regardless of what mouthpiece I play (unless I correct it with the pitchfinder). I believe the practical application of what Mr. Hooten is alluding to is that his backbore is a bit smaller in overall volume than typical orchestral backbores - and the bigger the backbore is, the easier it is for the upper register to go sharp. Just a guess.
It doesn’t fix the G. While better than stock, slightly, it is not a cure for partial tendencies
I have this mouthpiece for some years now, but found that it doesn’t not fit to all instruments and situations. For me, it tends to produce an aggressive sound when playing a bit louder. I switched to the John Hagstrom and 15E, both from Yamaha. Obviously, I like more volume.
Glad you kept experimenting until you found something that brought you closer to your concept!!! That's the way!
@@aktrumpet1 Well, my wife doesn't see it that way and complains about the collection… Time to sell them
Yamaha 17B4 has a diameter of 17.45mm wide, Bach 1 1 / 4C has a diameter of 17.37mm wide. Take these data into account to make your comparisons. Yamaha 17B4 is slightly larger than Bach 1C in diameter.
Hi Jesus! Thanks for watching! The Yamaha website lists the 17B4 as being 17.30mm, and usually has smaller inner diameter than a 1C, but rim measurements are a fickle way to compare mouthpieces because different brands measure it in different places in the mouthpiece cup, as well as the generally variation in mouthpieces as they are produced. This is why I don't really reference strict inner diameters in my newer videos.
How does this compare to the Gould?
Hi Gordon! I actually am not super familiar with the Gould, but a someone else who commented on this video said it was a similar diameter but potentially slightly less cup volume, definitely a 24 throat, and not sure about the backbore. Sounds interesting to me, might have to dive into it in a future video!
Hooten is a larger cup and rim, less efficient than the Gould.
@@JonTalksTrumpet Thanks Jon. I tried a Gould by accident once (it was in the case of an instrument I bought) but it didn't suit me as it felt just a bit too open for me at the time. I play on bigger mouthpieces now with bigger throats so it would be interesting to see what the difference is. The Gould is supposed to be based on a 1 1/4C.
@@dankade2116 Thanks.
I think we over complicate the whole mouthpiece thing.
You’re right - of course this is all really about achieving musical goals. Experimenting with equipment and mouthpieces for professional musicians and trumpet players is pretty important though, since the right equipment can help us express ourselves in an even more musically nuanced way. So it’s not really about It being complicated, but rather having options of colors and solutions and being educated when making your decisions about equipment - which in the case of professional trumpet players is crucial to our craft and livelihood. Thanks for watching and commenting - hope you enjoyed the video.
The Hooten is great for removing high overtones. If you want a fluffier less projecting sound, this is the piece for you. Don’t take my word for it; listen to how different Tom sounds, or buy one yourself and watch the shimmer leave your sound.
What do you recommend as an alternative then? Different particular cup shape/design, or backbore?
Sorry but your comment makes no sense. Listen to the Mahler 9 with Dudamel and tell me that Tom doesn't sound brilliant.