The HEAVIEST Trumpet Mouthpiece in the WORLD?
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
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I am so PSYCHED to be finally showing you my favorite trumpet project yet - the Vennture GIGATONE Trumpet Mouthpiece! This mouthpiece is many things - ridiculous, dangerous, beautiful, raucous, brilliant... but is it actually the heaviest in the world? Who knows - but it is certainly MASSIVE. Watch to find out why on earth we made this monstrosity, how heavy it is, how it plays, how it was made, what it sounds like, and much more on today's truly heavy topic.
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0:00 GIGATONE?!
0:56 it's bizarre and dangerous
1:45 Why does this exist?
2:42 How loud can it play?
3:18 is it agile?
3:44 does it project differently?
4:38 how does it effect slotting?
5:20 what about flexibility?
5:48 things you could use it for
6:24 Designing your own monstrosity - Hudba
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HBCU marching bands would love this.
Now I want to see a tuba mouthpiece cut from like 4” stock that weighs like 3lbs.
That would *really* bring the tone!
I have one! It’s like having a soda can on the end of my horn. It’s such a blast to play though!
@@tubaplyr4 I have one too. I think I'd describe it as making your tuba play more like a tuba. The low notes are chunky and feel kinda grizzly while the high notes are fragile and light.
It's also by far my most comfortable mouthpiece, and I don't really have an explanation for that. I have the non-heavyweight version of the mouthpiece as well, and it just isn't as comfortable. Anyone with any ideas please chime in because I have no idea lol.
@@jodajoda2863 Where could I get one of these?
I give you full credit for putting your money up and actually doing research on topics firsthand instead of just spouting opinions without practical experience.
Credit received! Thanks for saying that. It is a lot of work to do original research and bring it to you all, so that’s very meaningful for you to say. Thanks for watching!
I really like the sound of the lip slurs on the gigatone compared to the normal mouthpiece (from a saxophone player who has played a trumpet for like 10 hours max)
Yeah, it’s really “clean” sounding since it won’t smear like the lighter one! But that is arguably not always the best thing because we have to bend pitches to play in tune with others and you can’t do that well on the gigatone.
Omg hello fellow sax player trying a trumpet
Why don't they normalize people in band playing trumpet and saxophone just like they normalize playing clarinet and saxophone
@@omgitxalex3914 it's because they are so completely different to play. With sax and clairinet, you just need to make a few tweaks to your embouchure and airstream and then the fingerings are pretty similar (until you get to the extreme high range) but with sax and trumpet, you have to lean a new way of making noise, new fingering scheme, a different way of using your air, tounging, the voicing is very different and others. It's completely not impossible (I picked up trombone for two years during my sophomore and junior years of highschool) but it's like learning the instrument from scratch minus learning to read music while other woodwinds are more familiar
As a trumpet player, I am blown away, literally by the massive Giggatone!
Because the interior is exactly the same, it is hard to believe the large weight causes such differences between the two mouthpieces, but you can hear it, especially the audience sound! I could see you using it when you had a solo piece you wanted to be loud with it. But I wonder if you could shave the mass down and have the same response?
That's a good question. My suspicion is that the overall weight might not be the most important part - it might instead be the amount of "insulation" around the exposed part of the mouthpiece. Obviously the Gigatone has a lot of that, but I wonder if there might be diminishing returns on the effect of the insulation beyond a certain point... maybe a good experiment for the future. Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed!!! 🤓🎺
Part of me wants to try a gigatune during marching/pep band, as it sounds fuller from far away, but I’d also be nervous about the articulation, and obviously the weight.
Lol, I would *not* march with it… even the swing of the trumpet up to play could hurt you!!! It’s honestly dangerous. 🤣
the entire time i was thinking what a gigatone tuba snap would do haha
Imagine if every player in SCV 2018 dci used this lmao
When I first started highschool band, my band director(who also has his own personal machine shop) made mouth pieces just like this but for the reason of showing the new trumpet plyers how to properly hold the trumpets. Students were more inclined to point the trumpets upwards because the weight of the mouth pieces would pull the back end down and the front end up. It worked quite well actully.
It seems trumpet players are mechanics. I used to hear anecdotal stories about wrapping lead solder around the mouthpiece. The reasoning is much what you displayed here. The nodes of the sound are more precise or predictable instead of "slurred". Its amazing the parallels to Long Range Target shooting...1k yards to miles. The same type of approach for locating nodes in the harmonics of a barrel is a challenge to increase accuracy. The gigatone comes across like a reference device. Practical application would sure be interesting. Have you considered heavier or lighter possibilities with the design? Great subject, I'm fascinated.
Trumpets have been rapped in solder to dampen vibration
I’d love to bring this to rehearsal and see the look on my director’s face. The horn snaps in the drill might break my mello though…
🤣🤣🤣 me too… except when you injure yourself or someone else with it. 😵
mellophone: disintegrated
Drill and tap a hole in the side of the main body of the mouthpiece. This will allow a counterweight to be fitted. This device can be screwed into the tapped hole, run back along the length of the horn, towards the bell, with a circa 1.8lb attached to its end. This will bring the trumpet CoG more central. Ok, your trumpet weighs more than a small elephant by now, but it will be capable of picking up many satellite TV channels.
Haha - PROBLEM SOLVED! That’s hilarious and very fun to imagine. Thanks for watching and commenting - good to have you here!
A lot of the things that he is saying are very common tuba "issues", having to anticipate everything, and play a little early being an example. I got a Loud LM-12 a couple years ago and really appreciate the added weight the stainless steel provides.
Just stumbled onto you. Excellent vid! Love the review and data provided.
That thing's a beast! It sounds amazing at times. Should you find a relevant performance opportunity I'm sure we'd all dig a recording; it would be excellent to hear it in action!
wow would not expected it to sound that good and even better.
That was a great video for trumpet players! Very well done!
Hi Jon
I had almost the same experience as you when I was making the mouthpiece for my F tuba. Starting with a chunk of raw brass material and then shaping it on a lathe to the desired dimensions is HARD but extremely satisfying. To this day I'm using it and it's MY mouthpiece.
This is epic! Dude you sound fantastic 👏
Hey Kevin!!! Thanks so much for saying that. This thing is so fun to mess around with!
Yeah. I prefer the sound of the heavy piece for sure. I’ve been playing heavy pieces for years, tho nothing this extreme!
Jon, my favorite trumpet nerd. Another great video👏👏👏👏👏
Thanks Cliff!! So glad you enjoyed this one. It was really fun to make and it’s awesome to have your support!
Interesting, I'm a trombone player so it'd be interesting to see how something like this would affect a trombone. I also happen to be an engineering student and have a machine shop class next semester so I might be able to make one and try it.
This was awesome!
Hey!! So glad you enjoyed it!!
Finally, more videos!
I know, right? So glad to be back in action!
Nice playing Jon.
Wow, what an interesting chanel I have discovered, keep it up man
Welcome, fellow trumpet nerd… glad you’re here with us!!!
Great video
Som bonito deste trompetista!
Jesus christ that things a beast gives a deeep tone playing in chamber sound almost, perfect for orchestra setting
Haha isn’t it crazy?!? It does sound nice at some dynamics but I would probably never use this in a chamber group OR the orchestra because I feel that it would be too powerful and not flexible enough with pitch to use easily in the orchestra. Thanks for watching!!!
Can you do a post on adding mass to your trumpet? I mean the usual thing about heavier valve bottoms, on the third valve or all of them, etc. I'd be interested to hear what you think about this. Thanks.
You bet I will at some point! Thanks for the suggestion, and thanks for watching!
@@JonTalksTrumpet Cool! Look forward to your findings on this subject!
Great suggestion because I’m wondering myself
What trumpet are you playing?
@@paulgrimm6850 Are you asking me or Jon?
This would be baller on Eb (Long) Trumpet or Baroque Trumpet (etc).
I would LOVE to try that!!!
wicked 🔥
Well Jon you got me laughing on this one, but hey you can use this mouthpiece on Clark's Technical Studies and also build your arm muscles! I would like to see the audience reaction if you came out front to play the Brandenburg with this thing!😳
I would be lying if I said I didn’t think about trying that lick on this, but honestly, it’s a big orchestral mouthpiece and I didn’t wanna hurt myself. 🤣🤣🤣 it does get very tiring to hold up after a few minutes - I don’t exactly work out either which doesn’t help 🤓😂 thanks for watching, hope you’re well!
Great content
Thanks, Jose! So glad you like it!
* wife: He’s probably looking at other girls…
* me: I wonder what this gigatone mouthpiece sounds like…
The reason i use a bach megatone on my setup is because i like the way it balances my horn. It makes a small difference, Especially with mutes in the bell.
Haha, wow, I never thought of that but it does make perfect sense! The gigatone would probably even counter balance a jo ral copper bubble 🤣
@@JonTalksTrumpet hahaha yes it would :) cant wait for your next video :) happy Halloween my friend.
Cool experiment
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it, I definitely learned a lot!
@@JonTalksTrumpet I was very surprised by the results .
How do you think it would work for playing lead? It seems like it would focus the sound a bit up in the clarnio range letting you cut through the rest of the band without having to resort to super bright, shallow lead pieces.
Great 👍🏻
The Gigatone is insane! It makes my Bach Megatone look like a pea shooter. lol.
Have you experimented with different alloys like stainless steel or solid sterling silver? I have tried several stainless mouthpieces and they seemed less forgiving than brass. As far as sound there seem to be slightly higher overtones. Still it would be interesting to hear your mouthpiece compared with a stainless steel mouthpiece from out in the hall. Your your video which showed making the Monett piece into a bach shaped blank was interesting. I had always wanted to try that but never wanted to destroy the resale value of my Monette pieces.
There’s so much nerding here
Dude you bet
Imagine marching with that
Percussion gang 🤙
Great Job!!!
Hey thanks!! Glad you enjoyed!
God imagine a tuba gigatone
Thing would way like 5KG
Wonder what the difference would be between lightweight horn + heavyweight mouthpiece and heavyweight horn + lightweight mouthpiece..... like a Bach piece on a 229GH, vs a Hammond heavyweight on a Bach Chicago!
What program/app did you use for the “Harmonic Energy Series”?
Great question! That is Tonal Energy.
How were you able to get the custom blank and large stock brass size? I had an idea to get a custom blank for a trombone mouthpiece and also a trumpet doublers mouthpiece (with a trombone rim on a widened trumpet cup and standard shank. But neither of those things seems possible on the venncad software.
Oh hey Harrison! Vennture did it for me custom. The gigatone blank is available for purchase for any trumpet mouthpiece though, but it costs as much as a tuba mouthpiece :)
What is the software you used to view the overtones that each mouthpieces producing?
Tonal Energy Tuner app!
This would be very useful for fanfares.
Yeah!!! Like in a big open field, or on top of a mountain!!!
Get an entire brass section to play with these things and they could command an army of 100,000
Would be great for The Pines of Rome.
what piece are you playing at 4:00
Can you make a video on the steps to do this?
There's no need - Vennture made it for me on order. I didn't personally make or modify the mouthpiece.
@@JonTalksTrumpet OK. I understand now 👍.
I want it
You can buy one if you want!
So... do they have violin versions? or does it just suck to be a string player right now? lol
don't even attempt to use this in marching band; horns down *will* result in injury.
HAHAHA I even thought about it, and was like “no I really can’t safely mime that without hurting myself”
What’s the song at 2:18?
What trumpet brand and model are you playing Jon?
A Yamaha Chicago Gen II C trumpet with a Gen III tuning slide! Hope you enjoyed!
imagine doing horns up with this
what’s the piece you keep play?
My Orchestral mouthpiece. It has a flat rim with a sharp bite in between a 1.5 and 1.25c diameter, a slightly shallower 5B cup, 24.5 throat, and an orchestral 24 style backbore. The gigatone is the same mouthpiece design internally but with all the extra weight. Thanks for watching!
Well it's almost as heavy as a Rudy Muck mouthpiece. :3
Where do you buy one of these
I know, it’s cool right? Check out the discount code and link to Vennture Mouthpieces near the end of the video!
@@JonTalksTrumpet thanks
Gigatone tuba mouthpiece when
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It's like the machine broke part way through cutting the mouthpiece out of brass and somebody just said, "Ehh we'll just sell it like this."
Where can i buy one 👀
Vennture Mouthpieces can hook you up!!!
imagine this for marching band
yes but NO PLEASE DON’T it would be quite dangerous. Haha
4:01 song?
The opening promenade of “Pictures at an Exhibition”
*chanting*
gigatone
gigatone
GIGATONE
GIGATONE
5:51 ..... so you're saying the world needs more than one of these, right?
I want one, knowing it'll cost like $100
Lol definitely more
Hey man great video! Could you do me a favor and pass me the name of the song played at 4:16 please? Much love!!
Pictures at an exhibition
I only have my right arm and I can't add more weight to my trumpet.
You should check out ergo brass for trumpet!
@@JonTalksTrumpet
ERGO brass on line. Just search Ergo Brass? Ok.
Don't know why this was recommended, I don't even play trumpet. I play accordion and euphonium.😁
Welcome! Glad you made it here - hope you enjoy what you find!
Segredos Gigatonicos ?
Não
Man I was hoping you were gonna blow some Clifford or Kenny Wheeler
What is this song? 4:00
The Promenade from Ravel's Pictures at an Exhibition.
@@DootBear Thanks! I heard one of my classmates playing this and I never knew the name of the song until now.
Finally, a counterbalance to my copper Harmon
Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣 right?!
did they just forget to cut the rest
straight up never knew the mouthpiece had that much effect on the sound of the instrument
Yeah, I found this experiment FASCINATING! Glad you learned something from my video, I definitely did from making it!
Yup. You could have a pretty cheap 150-200 dollar trumpet but with a really high quality mouthpiece and it’ll sound like the trumpet is 10000 dollars.
gigatone a has a more piercing and pure sound.
😂 imagine a mouth piece like that on a cornet or piccolo trumpet.
Lol!!! I do play it on picc - the first clip of playing around :50 seconds is on picc. Definitely makes the slots rock solid!!!
@@JonTalksTrumpet I didn’t even notice that on the first watch. That’s awesome.
Put it on a pocket trumpet
I wish I had one!
Why don't trumpets players just work on playing with better tone??
Better musicianship should always be the goal! The Gigatone is not meant to be an actual advancement. It’s an experiment to show what greater mass does to a mouthpiece. Thanks for watching and commenting!
WTF!
WAT
it’s GIGATONE
why do u have 4 vaulves
That trumpet is not a regular Bb trumpet - it’s a Bb/A Piccolo Trumpet which is about an octave higher (and half the length) than the trumpet you might be familiar with. Many piccolo trumpets have a 4th valve to allow them to occasionally play lower notes than you could with only 3.
Ridiculous
You betcha 😂🤓🎺
hear me out
what if it was hollow?
Lmao
🤓🤓🤓
why should it have any effect at all‽ it shouldn't matter how heavy the mouthpiece is when the air contained within it is the thing that's actually vibrating.
That, I don’t quite know the answer to but there are many smart people with educated opinions on the subject. Clearly it makes a difference based on the experimentation I did for this video! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@JonTalksTrumpet
I have since seen another video on the subject (by Trent Hamilton), that provides an explanation: The player puts in energy, but some of it gets transferred to the mouthpiece and so is lost from the air that's making the sound. So the justification for having a heavy mouthpiece is that it resists the movement more, so more energy is transferred into the air itself.
However, there is a problem with this explanation as well: the heavier mouthpiece resists movement more, because it takes more energy to move it. So even though it may move around less, it still takes the same amount of energy from the air, the energy just can't do that much to it, so it shouldn't have any effect at all. So the way these work remains a mystery to me...
The weight dulls the higher overtones as demonstrated in the video. That in turn amplifies the fundamental tone, this the reason why it sounds louder. The high overtones can be looked at as inefficiencies, like heat from a incandescent bulb. The argument comes down to weather or not if one likes that type of sound.
AHAHAHAHA, FOOL!! YOU HAVE JUST GIVEN AWAY HOW ALL TRUMPETS GET GOOD TONE, NOW THE SAXOPHONES SHALL STEAL ALL MOUTHPIECES MUAHAHAHAH!!
Yo Why am I here I play bass guitar
Dang! Bass is cool. Rock on!
Just...why
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The biggest impact is on your wallet.
Yes! A custom ordered mouthpiece like this can get expensive, especially considering the custom blank. I personally always perform on a bach blank or similar weight mouthpiece - what about you?
1.77 lbs 🤣
Pure nonsense. The gimmicks never stop.
You mean - the fun never stops! Lol. It IS a gimmick, but in the name of science!
@James Cherney - you think this is bad, look up the Whisper Penny.
At least this doesn't make the sound worse, it just makes you look like a fool....who recently parted with some of his money.
The whisper penny is… interesting. Certainly the person who invented it has different playing goals from me. I’ll point out the gigatone is not a mass produced product, just a one off mouthpiece designed to demonstrate the effects of mass on a mouthpiece. Thanks for commenting!
Got a Spivak whispa mute. Never heard of a whisper penny
My understanding is that its a thing you put in your mouthpiece that makes you sound really diffuse and airy. I’m sure it’s really cool in certain settings… when you want more of an “ethereal” sound…
Straight up pass. Trumpets don't need hubcaps either. You are the sound and horn is the amplifier.
Hey Andrew! Of course, you're right - no trumpeter needs anything besides a horn and a mouthpiece to make music. This video was just an experiment to show what would happen with a lot of extra mass, not an advertisement for the Gigatone as a product. I wouldn't recommend that ANYONE actually buy one, LOL.
@@JonTalksTrumpet Hey I owe you an explanation and apology. To tell you a little about myself I placed first in county and state throughout school. I am a fourth generation Schlossberg pupil of which I still have many of Max's handwritten notes and instructions. I played lead professionally for more than a decade along with some soloist work. Really bad stuff happened to me of which I lost the ability to play. So I'm telling you my heart wasn't in the right place when I left the comment. I just saw another gimmick and I'm sorry I didn't give the video a chance to explain what it was actually about. I am back playing again, the alto sax and clarinet, yet this does nothing to fill the hole in my heart in regards to how much I miss the trumpet. Thank you for replying. I will be subscribing.