The way you played with those in Instrument Rack was 10/10, really important information to build your song much more easily while having everything right in front of you, you just need to be careful with the notes that you create so they line up in the range of the trigger notes :D! I never thought you could do that so easily, now it makes sense for me regarding those trigger notes
I would say that you need to get along with the program, just like the first time you joined youtube for example, in the beginning it looks overwhelming, but when you get the hang of it, everything becomes easier, and a lot of fun :D@@TheNeonSyndicate
@@b00ts4ndc4ts If I understand you correctly, you mean for example your full say 3 min. organ track as one sample, and so on? Sure, that would free up way more tracks, I'll give you that, but at the cost of all your editing features: what if I need to alter the MIDI notes while mixing, or even more importantly, what about automation? For all that fine tuning you need to be able to access a track in its fullness imho
@@TheNeonSyndicate just save one track for pulling out what you need for editing and use 7 tracks as midi. Do you know how many individual tracks that that opens up plus you get the full run of a key bed with all of them
@@b00ts4ndc4ts Idk man, that sounds like an even more cumbersome workflow to me. I guess it comes down to personal preference in the end: would you rather sacrifice your full key bed run to get instant full access to automation and editing, or does having a very high number of full key bed run tracks better cater to your needs, at the price of having to individually pull them out when they need editing. Also if you trigger your tracks via an initial MIDI note, how can you start playback halfway through the song? Wouldn't you have to get back to the beginning and wait for the triggered sample to reach the point you were focusing on?
Hi I wanted to tell you thank you for all the tips you provided, but i found that you can expand audio track count by using audio in simpler midi tracks. So by combining that with tips you provided we almost get unlimited number of tracks.
It’s still very limiting to not be able to play freely in numerous octaves, depending on the instrument (I know that with piano composition it’s extremely common that I’ll have bass notes a couple octaves down while the chords might span at couple of octaves higher up, & even have high end notes an octave or two higher than that at times), but I suppose even then, it could be useful to be able to throw in one additional instrument on whichever octave I might not need. Worst case, if I need that much freedom with a piano or synth, then that could take up one full midi track, & then I could use this trick on some other tracks for instruments with a narrower range (I know a lot of the basses I’ve sound-designed & a lot of virtual instruments I’ve downloaded don’t even sound good outside of a range of a couple of octaves they’re purpose-made to play within, so they could be very well-suited for this). I do find it annoying to have to deal with chain selectors on top of everything else (I already find music production to be extremely time consuming, but maybe I just still haven’t worked out a fast enough workflow), but at the end of the day it’s a workaround, so I appreciate the utility the option provides. At least as a last resort, when I find myself running out of tracks, it’s worth keeping in mind.
For sure. The reason why I'd think this kind of workaround would work for most people is, you don't usually want to have too many tracks competing in the low end department. So if you have a piano track, you wouldn't wanna use the lower octaves if you already have some sort of bass sound going, too, or they'd be fighting for space and muddy up your mix. At the same time, most projects where a full-range piano is needed are usually piano-only songs, so there's no other tracks therefore no need to resort to this trick. Obviously these are blanket statements and there's gonna be projects where you want it all and at the same time. For those situations, I have another workaround here: czcams.com/video/EQXvX_RQja0/video.html It's a little more cumbersome to set up, but basically removes any track limitation
![A better way to switch presets in Ableton Live - No chain selector [clyphx Ableton Live 11 tutorial]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/B5RaW4hEcTI/mqdefault.jpg)
The way you played with those in Instrument Rack was 10/10, really important information to build your song much more easily while having everything right in front of you, you just need to be careful with the notes that you create so they line up in the range of the trigger notes :D!
I never thought you could do that so easily, now it makes sense for me regarding those trigger notes
I know right? Makes one wonder why it took so long to realize haha
I would say that you need to get along with the program, just like the first time you joined youtube for example, in the beginning it looks overwhelming, but when you get the hang of it, everything becomes easier, and a lot of fun :D@@TheNeonSyndicate
@@alexivi7847 Oh yeah. The more you get to know the program, the more you see better and more elegant solutions to your needs
I can see this holding back my work flow
Sometimes it's just a matter of getting used to it really
@@TheNeonSyndicate I think that recording you individual parts and triggering them as samples in a drum controller would be better.
@@b00ts4ndc4ts If I understand you correctly, you mean for example your full say 3 min. organ track as one sample, and so on? Sure, that would free up way more tracks, I'll give you that, but at the cost of all your editing features: what if I need to alter the MIDI notes while mixing, or even more importantly, what about automation? For all that fine tuning you need to be able to access a track in its fullness imho
@@TheNeonSyndicate just save one track for pulling out what you need for editing and use 7 tracks as midi.
Do you know how many individual tracks that that opens up plus you get the full run of a key bed with all of them
@@b00ts4ndc4ts Idk man, that sounds like an even more cumbersome workflow to me. I guess it comes down to personal preference in the end: would you rather sacrifice your full key bed run to get instant full access to automation and editing, or does having a very high number of full key bed run tracks better cater to your needs, at the price of having to individually pull them out when they need editing. Also if you trigger your tracks via an initial MIDI note, how can you start playback halfway through the song? Wouldn't you have to get back to the beginning and wait for the triggered sample to reach the point you were focusing on?
Damn brother that’s brilliant well played sir!
Glad it helped!
That's a wonderful video "Amigo"!
Muchas gracias 🙏
This is brilliant. Makes up the same keyboard layering system as Nord Stage! 👍
Now that's a nice keyboard right there!
Great idea - works with VST plugins too. And I can use this for layering when live too.
Glad to hear it helped
Hi I wanted to tell you thank you for all the tips you provided, but i found that you can expand audio track count by using audio in simpler midi tracks. So by combining that with tips you provided we almost get unlimited number of tracks.
Yup, using that trick, too. Incredible what you can do with this "stripped down" version of Live...
So clever ! thx!!
Happy to help
Genius
🙏🙏
Brillant!
thank you sir
It’s still very limiting to not be able to play freely in numerous octaves, depending on the instrument (I know that with piano composition it’s extremely common that I’ll have bass notes a couple octaves down while the chords might span at couple of octaves higher up, & even have high end notes an octave or two higher than that at times), but I suppose even then, it could be useful to be able to throw in one additional instrument on whichever octave I might not need. Worst case, if I need that much freedom with a piano or synth, then that could take up one full midi track, & then I could use this trick on some other tracks for instruments with a narrower range (I know a lot of the basses I’ve sound-designed & a lot of virtual instruments I’ve downloaded don’t even sound good outside of a range of a couple of octaves they’re purpose-made to play within, so they could be very well-suited for this). I do find it annoying to have to deal with chain selectors on top of everything else (I already find music production to be extremely time consuming, but maybe I just still haven’t worked out a fast enough workflow), but at the end of the day it’s a workaround, so I appreciate the utility the option provides. At least as a last resort, when I find myself running out of tracks, it’s worth keeping in mind.
For sure. The reason why I'd think this kind of workaround would work for most people is, you don't usually want to have too many tracks competing in the low end department. So if you have a piano track, you wouldn't wanna use the lower octaves if you already have some sort of bass sound going, too, or they'd be fighting for space and muddy up your mix. At the same time, most projects where a full-range piano is needed are usually piano-only songs, so there's no other tracks therefore no need to resort to this trick. Obviously these are blanket statements and there's gonna be projects where you want it all and at the same time. For those situations, I have another workaround here: czcams.com/video/EQXvX_RQja0/video.html It's a little more cumbersome to set up, but basically removes any track limitation
Is it possible to render every instrument to wav separately at a go?
I'm afraid that's not an option. You need to use solo & mute and export them one by one afaik.