The Last of Us Remastered The only mention of Joel's wife / Sarah's mom?

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  • čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
  • WTF- as of 8/30/2022 this lil video has 193k views in ~ 9 months. I simply upload random clips from my own gaming moments I wanna save to show to friends mainly... aside from lil videos of whatever my current hobby/obsession is (car projects, pool shots, etc).
    my 2nd most viewed video is a punk song by an underappreciated band from the 90's- Drain Bramaged at 5.7k since I uploaded it TEN YEARS ago, followed by my TLOU Joel Spartan kick clip which was picked up by some euro-gaming site I learned from commenters at 3.4k in 9 months.
    In short- I'm glad so many TLOU fans found this dialog between Joel & Ellie interesting. We're less than 2 days from the launch of the 3rd iteration of the game so I'm guessing this clip jumps another 100k views over the next month hah.

Komentáře • 583

  • @connorduquette1432
    @connorduquette1432 Před 2 lety +6091

    I like how Joel and Ellie's relationship had reached a point where he can just say "okay" and Ellie immediately understands and drops it.

    • @bell5248
      @bell5248 Před 2 lety +263

      Yeah really respectful

    • @realdealofskills
      @realdealofskills Před 2 lety +176

      Ellie doesn’t want to push Joel to far to where it turns into an argument because of him not wanting to talk about his ex wife and his past before

    • @kenzhiwardhana644
      @kenzhiwardhana644 Před 2 lety +44

      if only Bill appears and sided with ellie on tlou2, she would've known joel more deeply

    • @alexheisenberg8709
      @alexheisenberg8709 Před 2 lety +18

      I hope they had a conversation about joel's old partner before his death. Maybe in Part 3 we could have an answear

    • @babyfood9537
      @babyfood9537 Před 2 lety +42

      @@realdealofskills not that it would turn into an argument. They're past Joel blowing up at her at this point. More that she is just respecting his wish not to go any further because yes he's finally opening up with her but it's also Joel were talking about and he opens up very slowly. Basically "that's enough opening up for now"

  • @Hecu
    @Hecu Před 2 lety +6845

    Joel was pregnant and gave birth to Sarah

  • @Onyxiate
    @Onyxiate Před 2 lety +1638

    This is what makes the writing so great and realistic. No “I don’t want to talk about it” or something cliche, or Ellie pushing him until he says it; he just dismisses it by saying “okay” and she immediately understands that it’s difficult for him. The growth they go through where Ellie tried to kill Joel when they first met to this subtle character interaction is what makes this game so memorable.

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Před 2 lety +64

      Netflix writers:
      "YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE PAST, JOEL MILLER."
      "MY WIFE DIED PASSED OUT IN THAT CAR CRASH WITH A NEEDLE IN HER ARM! OK? ARE YOU HAPPY?"
      "OF COURSE I'M NOT HAPPY. MY GIRLFRIEND DIED AND I'M STILL GAY."

    • @oldfool666
      @oldfool666 Před 2 lety +26

      I might be reading too much into this but "okay" is also the last thing Ellie says in the game. It works the same way: nothing else needs to be said at that point.

    • @xa-12musk28
      @xa-12musk28 Před 2 lety +18

      @@oldfool666 English teachers be like

    • @anielchall9708
      @anielchall9708 Před 2 lety +2

      @@samwallaceart288 lmao

    • @kaanseyhun7041
      @kaanseyhun7041 Před 2 lety +2

      I dont want to talk about it is very typical and common if you dont want to talk about something

  • @jayess8714
    @jayess8714 Před 2 lety +524

    Imagine having this conversation with someone while they're running sideways

  • @yogibear3581
    @yogibear3581 Před 2 lety +2145

    I’d like to think that he got married in his twenties after having Sarah in his very late teens. He grew up without parents and had to take care of tommy as well and he was dirt poor. His ex was probably tired of him and the kid and left

    • @user-xk7rb9qu8c
      @user-xk7rb9qu8c Před 2 lety +170

      I read somewhere that Joel's ex thought she was too young to have a child, that's why she left

    • @unicornunicorn3249
      @unicornunicorn3249 Před 2 lety +16

      K y’all extra

    • @_spt-warwolf_4575
      @_spt-warwolf_4575 Před 2 lety +216

      She did leave them. Neil Druckmann confirmed that Joel's wife walked out on them a short time after Sarah was born.

    • @blaniac6591
      @blaniac6591 Před 2 lety +50

      @@_spt-warwolf_4575 ehhh I don’t really care about anything that dude has to say

    • @blaniac6591
      @blaniac6591 Před 2 lety +18

      @@_spt-warwolf_4575 “one of the janitors said…” except I’d be more willing to take the janitor’s word for it. His reputation isn’t attached to the game, so it doesn’t matter if he makes it sound good or not.

  • @Monk-ow3ok
    @Monk-ow3ok Před 2 lety +2707

    I always hated that they didn’t explore that story arc a little more. Just a few more lines to explain why it didn’t work out

    • @darkspeed62
      @darkspeed62 Před 2 lety +325

      It isn't really necessary for the story though. Like, what would it add to knowing more about his ex-wife if she's already left him before the events of the game?

    • @Monk-ow3ok
      @Monk-ow3ok Před 2 lety +424

      @@darkspeed62 The point is it would give more insight into Joel’s personality.
      If stories only have the absolute bare necessary bits of information that wouldn’t be a very interesting game

    • @zion1405
      @zion1405 Před 2 lety +18

      @@Monk-ow3ok I agree

    • @cjpk6843
      @cjpk6843 Před 2 lety +434

      I think Joel not opening up is a part of his character. In order to save his own sanity he shuts off the past and focuses solely on the present. He can handle the most violent acts a man can commit but he can't open up and talk about the past it's to much pain for him to bear. Only through Ellie does he start to come out of his shell but it's still not easy for someone who is always guarded both mentally and physically there wasn't room for that in the world he was thrown into. He was so dedicated to forgetting the past he subconsciously made Ellie his daughter through the journey they shared and the mirroring of events that remind him of the past. He can't talk of the past only the present the future going forward and not looking back at all the bodies.

    • @ab_077
      @ab_077 Před 2 lety +10

      @@Monk-ow3ok it’s still very interesting. though it would have been cool to see more of joel’s past

  • @amin2636
    @amin2636 Před 2 lety +2601

    joel was 28 when the outbreak began and sarah was 12
    That makes joel a father at the age of 16
    Edit:i never thought my comment would get this much attention lol thx i guess
    And joels age ik bc i searched it up and every website says he is 48 in the first game so with simple math you can figure it out but who cares anyway and he says in the fall chapter he had sarah when he was really young and he didnt went to college so yk

    • @loonyspangles8173
      @loonyspangles8173 Před 2 lety +174

      Woah

    • @amin2636
      @amin2636 Před 2 lety +52

      @@loonyspangles8173 yea shocking

    • @LokiLoverForever99
      @LokiLoverForever99 Před 2 lety +401

      Sarah was 12 when she died. And the outbreak happened on the 26th September 2013. So the earliest Sarah was born was 27th September 2000, meaning she died the day beofre her 13th. The latest is 25th September 2001 meaning she died the day after her 12th birthday.
      All we know about Joel's age is he was born in the early to mid 80's. So that puts the age range of Joel when Sarah was born is 21 at best and 15 at worse. And if he was on the younger side then he would have been 14 when Sarah was convinced.

    • @PlaceHolderHandleOrWhaver
      @PlaceHolderHandleOrWhaver Před 2 lety +368

      @@LokiLoverForever99 TLDR: Joel Fucks.

    • @benkenobi3364
      @benkenobi3364 Před 2 lety +81

      @@PlaceHolderHandleOrWhaver I'm concerned about the fact that short comments like Slytherin had made are now considered too long. Society is not going to be at its best in the following decades.

  • @imxmisael
    @imxmisael Před 2 lety +270

    I love the way he says "Too much". Normally he would have said that in a serious/ mean tone like "yeah too much, now be quite", but since he spent too much time with Ellie, he's a little more open to talk about his personal life his daughter and wife
    It's just this little details that make the game great, some people would just watch the cinematics in CZcams when they should try to play it because you can learn more about the world of The Last Of Us with just listening to the optional diologue, looking at the surroundings of this world or with just exploring every single corner of the map

  • @wanderingisam7949
    @wanderingisam7949 Před 2 lety +50

    That “OK” kinda broke my heart ngl

  • @464588
    @464588 Před 2 lety +127

    I always assumed she died or left Joel with Sarah in a heartless way

    • @GabrielTorres-fl2xo
      @GabrielTorres-fl2xo Před 2 lety +37

      I think it's more likely she left Joel and Sarah. Joel would definitely want his daughter to know who her mother was, and there is no pictures of her in the house

    • @464588
      @464588 Před 2 lety +4

      @@GabrielTorres-fl2xo that's what I think too

    • @distraughtlesbian
      @distraughtlesbian Před 2 lety +17

      joel is 48 during the main game and 28 when sarah died; she was 12 at the start of the outbreak, which means joel was 16 when sarah’s mother had her, and i’m willing to bet she was in her teens too. they probably got married at 18-19, maybe 20. IIRC, don’t ask me for a source, but sarah’s mother left them because she felt she had become a mother too young, so joel became a single dad before he was 22 at the latest. it explains why he didn’t go to university, at least-and it makes me feel really bad for him. becoming a parent so young is extremely difficult even with a support network and the other parent in the picture, but being a teen dad with no parental support, a younger brother to take care of on top of an infant, and then the other parent leaves you? it’s no wonder a guy like joel, who never talks about his trauma, doesn’t want to talk about it-especially not to ellie.

    • @m4zzystar
      @m4zzystar Před 2 lety +3

      yeah i feel like she definitely left. if she died i feel he would at least have had pictures of her in their house. joel wasnt that emotionally constipated back then imo

  • @jorgecastillo2391
    @jorgecastillo2391 Před 2 lety +112

    God joel is so relatable here. It’s over 20 years since he was divorced/lost his wife and it still hurts to talk about it. Loosing someone like that never gets easier to talk about

    • @j.millerswife3155
      @j.millerswife3155 Před rokem +4

      Neil confirmed that she left after Sarah was born and Joel doesn’t have pics of her because “she’s not someone he looked up to to keep a picture around” which makes me think that he’s over her and the “too much” comment was because Ellie was asking too many personal questions all at oncw

    • @spideyfan1278
      @spideyfan1278 Před 6 měsíci

      @@j.millerswife3155wouldn’t blame him. One would have to be a cold bitch to abandon their child.

  • @nderamaharie5360
    @nderamaharie5360 Před 2 lety +160

    Ok they should explore this in the upcoming hbo series

    • @cgollimusic
      @cgollimusic Před 2 lety +35

      Or not. It's nice having some things unexplained.

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Před 2 lety

      She got killed by a deer in the worst hurricane of the century with a needle in her arm

    • @DinosaurNick
      @DinosaurNick Před 2 lety +1

      I'd love a prequel-type thing that shows flashbacks to young Joel and Tommy and Sarah's mom ... but the main story follows Joel and Tommy during the 20 years before he wakes up in LOU 1

  • @tibet751
    @tibet751 Před 2 lety +547

    None of the family photos show the mother. It’s possible the same non-romance between Joel and Tess existed between Joel and his ex-wife. Sarah’s mom may have chosen not to participate in the family photos, either by departure or by suicide (but that is just as possible as an accident or misfortune during or immediately after Sarah’s birth). It seems abandonment is a key theme here.

    • @ethanwillcocks3010
      @ethanwillcocks3010 Před 2 lety +17

      I might be wrong but I thought I saw a picture of Sarah's mom on her wall in the beginning of the game next to the soccer pic with her dad. It's not explicitly her, but its Sarah with an adult woman and I think another girl? maybe a friend or a step sibling or something? It could just be Sarah with friends though, I didn't look too closely.

    • @1995robin
      @1995robin Před 2 lety +25

      Well there's a lot o possibilities, they were teen parents (16-17 assuming mom was Joel's age) maybe she didn't want nothing to do with the kid, maybe her parents move her to another city, who knows

    • @apollosungod2819
      @apollosungod2819 Před 2 lety +2

      Also she turned into a Bloater.

    • @ozordiprince9405
      @ozordiprince9405 Před rokem +3

      @@apollosungod2819 yeah exactly. Everybody keeps forgetting even if they said what happened to Joel's wife. She would still be dead by now or at least be very old like Joel

  • @apatientwolf5299
    @apatientwolf5299 Před 2 lety +174

    Whatever happened had to be very bad for Joel to have primary or perhaps even sole custody. It’s not unlikely that Sarah’s mom wasn’t just overwhelmed by marriage and motherhood at a young age and ran off. Ellie could run into her in Part 3. That’d be cool

    • @PunkinRB
      @PunkinRB  Před 2 lety +16

      to extend on that-
      Joel's wife hired a hitman to take Joel out- cause he had a decent life insurance policy. unfortunately for her the "hitman" was an undercover cop and Joel spent his early 20s in court defending his wife not believing it to be true. then Tommy- thru some vague connections got solid proof and was able to get thru to Joel and change his perspective.

    • @blackice7050
      @blackice7050 Před 2 lety +1

      @@PunkinRB
      Wait really?

    • @ledzeppelinfan1001
      @ledzeppelinfan1001 Před 2 lety +32

      @@blackice7050 no.

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Před 2 lety +3

      My assumption is died in childbirth. On their wedding night.

    • @leenguyen6056
      @leenguyen6056 Před 2 lety

      Plz no part 3

  • @nicklupo8670
    @nicklupo8670 Před 2 lety +251

    ( Joel’s childhood ) Joel Miller was born in September 25 1985 and grew up in Austin Texas with his little brother Tommy. Joel had 3 yrs in Tommy, since Tommy was 25 in the prologue and Joel was 28. When they were kids Joel took care of his kid brother which was not easy but the 2 were super duper close. Their parents were absent in there life but Joel raised him, how do I know ? Here “ For all those goddamn years I took care of us “ Joel also met a girl and slept with her. In 2001 Sarah Miller was born. Since Joel and his ex wife had her at a young age, the 2 would argue since Joel wanted a family but not his ex so she left him and Sarah. I feel bad for Joel 🥺

    • @EduTheStranger
      @EduTheStranger Před 2 lety +76

      I think Joel was talking about the period after the outbreak happened when he says "For all those goddamn years I took care of us", since Tommy's response is not very cheerful and it's well implied that Joel did some pretty bad things before we see him 20 years later waking up in his apartment. But yeah, I do feel bad for the man when looking at everything he's been through.

    • @nicklupo8670
      @nicklupo8670 Před 2 lety +7

      @@EduTheStranger yea, even prior to the outbreak the guy grew up with no parents, and had to raise his kid brother with him. But yea feel so bad for him ☹️

    • @DeutscherPatrick
      @DeutscherPatrick Před 2 lety +9

      He was born September, 27th 1984
      He turned 29 on the outbreak day

    • @realdealofskills
      @realdealofskills Před 2 lety +1

      His character arch is very understandable, relatable and heartbreaking to where it let’s many know that he’s been too much. Morally grey characters were the ones who I can relate for one reason or another base off what each of them has in store for their character arch’s to see what makes them who they are. Joel at least in my view is broken man who has lived through dark days of sorrow, misery and loss as he got older over time. He did a lot for Tommy and Sarah on his own without rarely getting any help from anyone which does take a toll on him.

    • @nicklupo8670
      @nicklupo8670 Před 2 lety +3

      @@realdealofskills not only that, he literally risked his life to save Ellie in Salt Lake City cause he’s got nothing left to lose, which makes me sad but happy that he’s finally resting in piece with his family 💖🕊

  • @Zeemas
    @Zeemas Před 2 lety +73

    I remember when Part II trailers were out and Abby was still named "Mystery Woman", theories were posted everywhere. Read one that theorized that she was Joel's ex-wife lmao

    • @randomcitizen1257
      @randomcitizen1257 Před 2 lety +29

      boy were they wrong she was her golf instructor

    • @1995robin
      @1995robin Před 2 lety +17

      I thought she was Ellie's mom for a while lol

    • @Zeemas
      @Zeemas Před 2 lety +7

      @@1995robin Yeah, that was one of the more believable theories I bought into aswell lmao. Many "key points" like how she's a nurse and could have access to drugs and steroids etc to get that buff lol, plus how "Mother" was a teasing term was too hard not to buy into.

    • @ineezumz8519
      @ineezumz8519 Před 2 lety +2

      Lmaooo 😭🤣🤣🤣

    • @wendigo374
      @wendigo374 Před 2 lety +2

      she was way too young to be that

  • @kvlgamer2285
    @kvlgamer2285 Před rokem +7

    Imagine Joel's wife appears in the 3rd game getting revenge on abby

    • @Luke-vf6qc
      @Luke-vf6qc Před rokem +1

      Wouldn't she be old tho lol. Either way I'd love to see Joel's wife murder Abby

    • @Luke-vf6qc
      @Luke-vf6qc Před rokem +1

      Or maybe Bill shows up and finds out about what happened to Joel and searches for Abby to take her head

    • @ibthat1guy
      @ibthat1guy Před rokem +1

      That probably would never happen. Even if she was alive what are the chances that she didn’t become some random clicker.

  • @katherinequalls2730
    @katherinequalls2730 Před 2 lety +26

    I hate that their relationship went so far but they still didn’t really know much about each other…

    • @tcm2367
      @tcm2367 Před rokem +2

      their relationship was built on protection, not knowing a lot about eachother and after all Ellie was an orphan born in the apocalypse, he knew roughly what she liked but it’s not as if she had a bunch of experiences to talk about
      Edit - just realised this was 8 months ago lmao, hope ur still here

  • @MVXX2k
    @MVXX2k Před 2 lety +37

    I always imagined that Joel had intention/was married to the mother of his child but she died during child birth. I kinda thought that a man who was fully committed to raising a child at that young of a age was great boyfriend/husband material. Hence why I’d like to believe he never got divorced.
    (However Ellie once told a divorce joke and Joel got really offended so I could be proven wrong.)

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Před 2 lety +6

      Yeah I got "mom died during / soon after daughter was born" vibes.
      At the very least, I feel like Sarah doesn't remember her mom

    • @scifinerd17
      @scifinerd17 Před rokem +1

      She left him

    • @kblearner1528
      @kblearner1528 Před 11 měsíci +1

      She left him

  • @JoannaS08
    @JoannaS08 Před 2 lety +15

    honestly i kinda like that they left it unsaid bc then you can paint your own picture or in the future we might get a game that explores the 20 years and they’ll mention this too

  • @eduardocruzgastelum129
    @eduardocruzgastelum129 Před 2 lety +14

    Making counts, Joel had 28 years old when the apocalypse started, i'm just can't believe it, he looked like on his middle 30's

  • @Drunken.Mustafa
    @Drunken.Mustafa Před 2 lety +17

    I think it would be cool if for Part 3 Ellie was given Joel's journal and through her journeys she would read about Joel and see his journey as well kinda like the godfather part 2 kinda thing.

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Před 2 lety +1

      "Joel's journal" lol

    • @Drunken.Mustafa
      @Drunken.Mustafa Před 2 lety +1

      Watch bet you anything they'll pull that out one last parting gift from Tommie

    • @cynthiavalencia724
      @cynthiavalencia724 Před 2 lety +4

      @@Drunken.Mustafa as much as i would love to see a storyline where Ellie can read his journal 9in part III, i just don't see Joel being the journaling type lol. Maybe he'd record something on a voice recorder though, i could see that, though also unlikely.

    • @Drunken.Mustafa
      @Drunken.Mustafa Před 2 lety +2

      @@cynthiavalencia724 that is true. I really want a prequel game about Joel's missing 20 years from the first game.

  • @tahirmohammed9410
    @tahirmohammed9410 Před 2 lety +13

    I remember that time were Sam and Ellie played darts it was fun to watch

  • @Littlekoji-df1cf
    @Littlekoji-df1cf Před 2 lety +7

    Omg I Love the understanging between them.

  • @papaclunkyowa3935
    @papaclunkyowa3935 Před 2 lety +6

    the subtleties in their acting and dialogue are f**king beautiful.

  • @buttnakedsnake9357
    @buttnakedsnake9357 Před rokem +4

    “Had Sarah when I was pretty young…” *Peers into dumpster*

    • @PunkinRB
      @PunkinRB  Před rokem +1

      one of these days/playthrus there will be something in one of those dumpsters....

  • @christian.xavier.villagran

    I like how the only mention of “her” is that she isn’t even mentioned. Great video 👏🏽

  • @larstheripper7163
    @larstheripper7163 Před rokem +7

    I was fine the whole game, but when he said “ok” my heart raced and i felt anxious 💀😭

  • @SunnyBlam
    @SunnyBlam Před 2 lety +12

    I wonder just how BAD whatever happened between them was, for it to outrank all the horrible things he's done after 20 years of apocalyptic survival.

  • @mi_v_ny
    @mi_v_ny Před 2 lety +7

    Omg i didnt ran into this conversation before. This creates extra layer of "Okay" answer at the ending. Ellie just had the sufficient information that she needed, and trust the rest in Joel. But at the ending the one who says "Okay" was Ellis

    • @PunkinRB
      @PunkinRB  Před 2 lety +1

      never ceases to amaze me the things I didn't find on earlier playthroughs... ive prolly played it 6-8 times...
      PS- at the highschool gym bloater part try checking the room the bloater blasts out of for a nice surprise... just discovered this room on my latest play

  • @henryduncan5007
    @henryduncan5007 Před 2 lety +92

    The reason this hidden storyline is so intriguing is because after everything that Joel has been through, whatever happened with his ex wife, BEFORE the outbreak, is too painful to talk about. Something horrible happened and I at first thought she left him but I’m more inclined to think she died somehow.

    • @mrroams5812
      @mrroams5812 Před 2 lety +8

      @@cloverasmrr Unless her death was so unbearable he put away all the photos of her in the house. Maybe she died in childbirth?

    • @j.millerswife3155
      @j.millerswife3155 Před rokem +3

      Neil confirmed that she left after Sarah was born and Joel doesn’t have pics of her because “she’s not someone he looked up to to keep a picture around” which makes me think that he’s over her and the “too much” comment was because Ellie was asking too many personal questions all at oncw

    • @ibthat1guy
      @ibthat1guy Před rokem +1

      Whatever happened it was for sure something tragic. Weather it would be her leaving Joel or her dying when Sarah was young but even if she didn’t die, there’s probably a good chance that she just became another clicker somewhere out there. Which I think is what makes it more painful for joel to think about

  • @AverageGiuseppe02
    @AverageGiuseppe02 Před 2 lety +5

    If they ever make a last of us 3 I'd like it to be a prequel and we play as joel during the 20 years leading up to the first game

    • @Thatonedere
      @Thatonedere Před 2 lety

      Ehhh I dunno. There would be no zombies or destroyed world, it would be quite bland in design.

    • @NrettG
      @NrettG Před 2 lety

      @@Thatonedere ...Except that the 20 years that we get to experience is the 20 years that Joel saw. He saw the world crumble around him.

    • @dakashoes4702
      @dakashoes4702 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Thatonedere a game where the world around you is falling apart and slowly descending into chaos during the apocalypse would be a more interesting setting than the same old tired post apocalyptic setting

    • @Zillasnutt
      @Zillasnutt Před 2 lety

      @@Thatonedere wrong playing a zombie game about the world ending and your actually seeing it end would be a masterpiece done right…….just imagine Joel and Tommy wondering what the hell is going on finding out about the virus more along the way meeting survivors not knowing if you can trust or not man it would be fucking good 😂

    • @DinosaurNick
      @DinosaurNick Před 2 lety

      @@Thatonedere No zombies? Did you forget runners existed at the start? They'd be fighting runners and stalkers ... and dealing with desperate people and making dark choices to survive. Tommy said "Those years gave me nightmares"

  • @magdalena_dewinter
    @magdalena_dewinter Před 2 lety +2

    joes is stealth transmasc

  • @her0k1d56
    @her0k1d56 Před 2 lety +1

    I fucking love this game dude

  • @wayfaring_stranger_
    @wayfaring_stranger_ Před 2 lety +12

    Is it just me or does Joel sound a bit different between TLOU & TLOU2? I think Troy made him a bit deeper in the second.

    • @superfinal
      @superfinal Před 2 lety +14

      Joel geeting old, that's why the voice is a bit deeper and hoarse

    • @realdealofskills
      @realdealofskills Před 2 lety +6

      @@superfinal it’s no surprise his voice is a bit deeper when he reached his earlier 50s in tlous 2.

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Před 2 lety

      He leaned into the deadbeat dad energy

  • @skippymillward
    @skippymillward Před 2 lety +1

    Cant wait for the series to come out! We might see a young joel in that

  • @laptopgamer9570
    @laptopgamer9570 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Imagine if Joel's wife is miraculous still alive during the outbreak and meets Ellie 😂i dont think it would happen but it would be interesting

  • @loganentertainment1814
    @loganentertainment1814 Před 2 lety +6

    I would have liked it if we got to see her or maybe play as her in part 2 instead of Abby. She's a character we never knew what happened to her, let alone if she's still alive.

    • @muchduck3754
      @muchduck3754 Před rokem

      It’s highly unlikely she was still alive, especially after the 20 year time jump

  • @aroidpapa
    @aroidpapa Před 2 lety +30

    'OK' meaning the writers didn't bother exploring that.

    • @niyaodom1944
      @niyaodom1944 Před 2 lety +1

      I think it’s kind of hilarious how that might actually be the case when considering the commentary of *Grounded* and the cut scenes featuring Tony, Ashely, and Neil.
      One of the two mentioned during one scene or another how they would ask Neil about what happened to a character while making the game. And then NEIL’S ass would respond, *”What do YOU think happened?”* He had the bare bones of his story for TLoU and allowed it to flex and change with the actors, but yeah, he probably didn’t think too far on his past.
      I’d be mad about it myself if the lack of *given* info didn’t make sense with Joel as a character~

    • @_spt-warwolf_4575
      @_spt-warwolf_4575 Před 2 lety +3

      @@niyaodom1944 Exactly, I get why Neil Druckmann wouldn't spell out everything, but it feels like the lines aren't drawn in the right places.
      Yes, sometimes not knowing, theorizing and interpretting it your own way can add some depth to a character. However, if I'm supposed to believe these are realistic people with their own lives and experiences, then that means it doesn't matter what I think because something did in fact happen to them. I can theorize and all, but it won't change the things that they actually went through.

    • @wendigo374
      @wendigo374 Před 2 lety +2

      not everything needs to be explored

  • @1995robin
    @1995robin Před 2 lety +2

    Yeah he was like 16-17 when he had Sarah

  • @ethanradd
    @ethanradd Před 2 lety

    When I first played this when it originally came out I couldn't relate ...but now I can.

  • @benjamink.crowley4889
    @benjamink.crowley4889 Před 2 lety +1

    Yet another thing that should have been explored more in Part 2.

  • @urasanin757
    @urasanin757 Před 2 lety +28

    the dialogue in this game was perfect, im so sad tlou2 was a completely different experience. Joel and ellie is just a duo that cant be recreated it was lightning in a bottle to be honest.

  • @simon-peterwilliamson2412

    I like how he says ok like it's a safe word

  • @williamr.c.4168
    @williamr.c.4168 Před 2 lety +8

    Only OG’s remember back when TLOU was a good franchise

    • @PunkinRB
      @PunkinRB  Před 2 lety +2

      have faith. I'm hopeful they come outta nowhere with a part 3 that just blows everyone's minds.
      granted I liked the 2nd one, woke bs excluded. the whole being forced to play as abbie concept took balls and while I would've preferred they went another route with those resources- say a Tommy parallel quest or something, I still found that aspect something new I hadn't seen done before

    • @goblin8830
      @goblin8830 Před 2 lety +1

      @@PunkinRB what woke bs?

    • @jali1
      @jali1 Před 2 lety

      @@goblin8830 are you really asking that question ?

    • @Mystical746
      @Mystical746 Před 2 lety

      @@jali1 what is it? I’m genuinely confused

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Před 2 lety

      I'm mostly on Joel being "old" and "soft" and them seriously expecting us to just ignore Asian Guy's brutal death and go straight to Abby time.
      And don't get me started on that fucking aquarium with the miserable deadbeat and his teleporting babymama

  • @nickblood7080
    @nickblood7080 Před 2 lety +1

    I got a top tier challenge for those inclined.
    Someone needs to post the recorder that was removed from the game around when the remaster came out.
    Someone will likely need to find a ps3 with the original disc version of the last of us. You will probably need to find one that was not hooked up to the internet and therefore did not get updated when they decided to make the remastered version and the last of us 2.

    • @PunkinRB
      @PunkinRB  Před 2 lety +1

      have not heard of this recorder you speak of... do tell

    • @cynthiavalencia724
      @cynthiavalencia724 Před 2 lety

      never heard of this! what was on the recorder?

  • @RX7821979
    @RX7821979 Před 2 lety +2

    Plot twist
    Joel’s ex wife is Ellie’s mother

    • @DinosaurNick
      @DinosaurNick Před 2 lety +1

      That would be a plot twist ... but with both dead no one would ever know T_T

  • @Akira-hr1dd
    @Akira-hr1dd Před 2 lety

    This voice of Baker was so grounded compared to part 2

  • @JWilliamsLangley
    @JWilliamsLangley Před 2 lety +1

    Assuming the ex was alive and they divorced years back, even if she lived just one town away, he most likely never saw her again. Just sad even if he had full custody and they argued over child support and everything else just by being in each other's company, Joel's whole life was erased down to being with Tommy.

  • @theartist8291
    @theartist8291 Před 2 lety

    And to think even if it’s been over 20yrs, it still too much to talk about😔

    • @j.millerswife3155
      @j.millerswife3155 Před rokem

      Neil confirmed that she left after Sarah was born and Joel doesn’t have pics of her because “she’s not someone he looked up to to keep a picture around” which makes me think that he’s over her and the “too much” comment was because Ellie was asking too many personal questions all at oncw

  • @goatcastschannel
    @goatcastschannel Před rokem

    Would be interesting if Joel kept journal entries like Arthur did in RDR2, just give us a little more insight on Joel and his past, things that he did in the early days of the outbreak and before

  • @beastleezardi_yt
    @beastleezardi_yt Před 11 měsíci

    I found out about it yesterday and I wanted Ellie to keep going to know about Joel’s wife

  • @cynthiavalencia724
    @cynthiavalencia724 Před 2 lety +1

    It was never confirmed she actually died. What if they were actually separated/divorced and sarah was visiting Joel for a few weeks or something at the time of the outbreak. If she is still alive (for a possible Part III storyline), this could explain why Joel and Tommy never mentioned her in the beginning since she would have been out of town. Eventually, soon after sarah's death, he would have had to tell the mom that she died, which would make their separation permanent.

  • @danielknapp5189
    @danielknapp5189 Před rokem +1

    Joel is not good at letting go, and he so he dosen't come to term with those emotions.
    I know I'm putting out the obvious.

    • @j.millerswife3155
      @j.millerswife3155 Před rokem

      Neil confirmed that she left after Sarah was born and Joel doesn’t have pics of her because “she’s not someone he looked up to to keep a picture around” which makes me think that he’s over her and the “too much” comment was because Ellie was asking too many personal questions all at oncw

  • @Caseyirl
    @Caseyirl Před 2 lety +4

    In my head the narrative is that Joels wife left

    • @willEMG0905
      @willEMG0905 Před 2 lety

      Or maybe she died in a horrific way... will never know.

    • @Caseyirl
      @Caseyirl Před 2 lety

      @@willEMG0905 that’s why I said in my head lol. The narrative can be different from person to person. Nothing it’s right nothing is wrong.

    • @willEMG0905
      @willEMG0905 Před 2 lety

      @@Caseyirl Yeah i agree. I guess it makes more sense what you actually said, since there is not even one picture of Joel's wife in the beginning of the game, so it seems like everything happened before the outbreak...

  • @scifinerd17
    @scifinerd17 Před rokem +2

    My guess is Joel's wife left him and Sarah and he had to raise Sarah as a single father all by himself

  • @entropy616
    @entropy616 Před rokem

    She went to west world

  • @j.millerswife3155
    @j.millerswife3155 Před rokem

    I be,isve him saying that was because he still wasn’t comfortable talking about this stuff to Ellie. I know people say that “he still loves her which is why it’s too difficult” but Neil has said that Joel doesn’t look up to her because of her leaving after Sarah was born so that makes me believe that he’s over her.

  • @katya.g524
    @katya.g524 Před 2 lety

    he got beef arms

  • @shmaqzi9893
    @shmaqzi9893 Před rokem +1

    heres my interpretation of Joel's story before tlou: Joel is a hotshot football player in highschool, wife-to-be is a cheerleader or something like that, Joel and cheerleader end up becoming a case of teen pregnancy, and Joel puts aside his future to support the baby, and marries cheerleader in an attempt to start a family. Joel goes into the trades and becomes a carpenter (something he was confirmed to be and getting a trade job is one of the only ways to get a decent living without a college or uni degree) Joels marriage falls apart because obviously it did, they rushed into it and it was a teenage marriage. Joel gets custody of Sarah. Maybe mom wasn't suited to be a parent and thats why the court ruled in Joels favour/part of why they divorced?

    • @j.millerswife3155
      @j.millerswife3155 Před rokem +1

      Ooh this is a nice headcanon! With Joel’s personality I don’t believe he was one of those womanizer stereotypical football players, but maybe one of those caring ones

  • @kelvingriffiths6017
    @kelvingriffiths6017 Před 6 měsíci

    Maybe for all we know Joel.isnt divorced, its just outbreak day hit and he never saw his wife again, no answers, just gone.

  • @sliceofgames8558
    @sliceofgames8558 Před 2 lety +1

    Am I the only one not hearing Troy Baker? This sounds nothing like him

  • @aranerem3767
    @aranerem3767 Před 2 lety

    This is great

  • @GaunterODimm2
    @GaunterODimm2 Před 2 lety +2

    Could get another 2 games at the least out of this series. Next one could be Tommy and Joel in the aftermath of the outbreak.

  • @jordanwilliams1447
    @jordanwilliams1447 Před 2 lety +1

    Darth Plageuis made Sarah. Everyone knows that.

  • @benmorgan8890
    @benmorgan8890 Před 2 lety

    Best story game ever.

  • @zellanutellaa
    @zellanutellaa Před 2 lety

    Awww

  • @linajurgensen4698
    @linajurgensen4698 Před 2 lety +10

    I wish we would get to know more about his wife. I‘m still pretending TLOU 2 didn’t happen.

  • @DougieYT
    @DougieYT Před 2 lety

    I really wish Naughty Dog went into Joel’s wife a little more and how Joel became a single father

  • @christian_lied
    @christian_lied Před 2 lety

    I love that map in factions

  • @mr.megadrive6881
    @mr.megadrive6881 Před 2 lety

    i used to think that joels wife had died or something, considering that he apparently had custody, and courts would never give custody to the father.

    • @PC-9801
      @PC-9801 Před 2 lety

      he was only 16, so she could had been overwhelmed by being a teen parent n abandoned him maybe

    • @DinosaurNick
      @DinosaurNick Před 2 lety

      I'd say she gave up her daughter to him. My niece did that. Surrendered her daughter to her father instead of fighting for her.

    • @mrpringle9479
      @mrpringle9479 Před rokem

      @@PC-9801 he said he was married for a while

  • @trycoldman2358
    @trycoldman2358 Před 2 lety +1

    OK.

  • @IlonggoDad
    @IlonggoDad Před 2 lety +1

    Joel was once Jill and got pregnant with Sarah. She then became a he to become a true Alpha!

    • @blackice7050
      @blackice7050 Před 2 lety

      Wow you are a fucking idiot
      Don't make any more comments like ever

  • @hishaybe
    @hishaybe Před 2 lety

    Not that I don’t love TLOU2, I actually prefer it over the 1st, but I’d die for a game about Joel & Tommy after Sarah’s death

  • @poorboy819
    @poorboy819 Před 2 lety

    As said by another commenter, which I will add in an edit, Joel was 15 to 16 when Sarah was born. Meaning he was gettin bitches at 14. Sweet baby Christ
    Edit: @Amin and @Slytherin Forever

  • @jdforeman79
    @jdforeman79 Před 2 lety +1

    I swear, I've played through this game like five times and I'm always finding something new that I missed. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

    • @PunkinRB
      @PunkinRB  Před 2 lety

      same here. last playthru I finally realized after killing the first bloater at the highschool gym- the room he came from has a big stash of parts

  • @delt19
    @delt19 Před 2 lety +1

    Obviously Sarah's mom was too much.

  • @Mario-jf4fr
    @Mario-jf4fr Před 2 lety

    So let’s say joes had Sarah at 17, Sarah gets killed at let’s say 13…. Then the game Jumps 20 years, that would make Joel … 50 ??? Daym

  • @Pongus_420
    @Pongus_420 Před 2 lety +3

    Idk why but I explained it to myself be thinking that if Joel had her at 16, he might've joined the army for a few years, which would explain, well, JOEL, and maybe when he came back that's when the wife left

    • @ryancialone3045
      @ryancialone3045 Před 2 lety +1

      Joel wasn’t in the army.

    • @Pongus_420
      @Pongus_420 Před 2 lety

      @@ryancialone3045 ik it was never said it's just my personal headcanon

    • @ryancialone3045
      @ryancialone3045 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Pongus_420 but that head canon is contradicted by the game

    • @Pongus_420
      @Pongus_420 Před 2 lety

      @@ryancialone3045 wym, do they specifically say he never served?

    • @ryancialone3045
      @ryancialone3045 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Pongus_420 yeah he was busting his ass taking care of his daughter as a contractor/carpenter because he had her in/right out of high school. his skills are because he spent 20 years surviving in the post-infection world

  • @jpcabangis2757
    @jpcabangis2757 Před 2 lety

    It was mentioned in the PS3 version

  • @bludtinge
    @bludtinge Před 2 lety +1

    Scenes like these is why Part 2 will never come close to the original

  • @beautepley8352
    @beautepley8352 Před 11 měsíci

    In the ps5 remake, didn't Joel say he was in the military instead of mentioning Sarah?

  • @blaniac6591
    @blaniac6591 Před 2 lety +10

    See the shit they could have covered with the second game? Such an absolute waste of potential.

    • @RavielUriaHamon
      @RavielUriaHamon Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah, I know when I was looking forward to TLOU2 I was thinking "gee I sure hope they explore what happened between Joel and Sarah's mom who gets mentioned offhandedly once in the entire game and that Joel hasn't seen or heard anything of in decades".

    • @blaniac6591
      @blaniac6591 Před 2 lety +2

      @@RavielUriaHamon it would be nice to explore more dialogue. Put some good conversations in the game like this one again.

  • @zombielols1895
    @zombielols1895 Před 2 lety

    Yeah

  • @proctorritter5176
    @proctorritter5176 Před 2 lety +1

    It’s a shame to think about how disappointed both Sarah and Joel’s wife would be if they saw what he turned into after Sarah died

    • @PunkinRB
      @PunkinRB  Před 2 lety +1

      and what'd he turn into- a badass who's killed hundreds of people in self defense and managed to survive like 2 decades in a post apocalyptic shithole, and then STILL be capable of developing a father/daughter type relationship with a girl, save her life countless times, learn to trust her with his life, and then put her life ahead the entire human races potential future...
      eh I clearly beg to differ, Sarah would be proud. (dunno about his wife, cause she could've been cracked out giving BJs in an alley for $5/pop for all we know)

    • @proctorritter5176
      @proctorritter5176 Před rokem

      @@PunkinRB Joel’s wife and Sarah would be disappointed to see him as a Hunter, which he was for at least a year, especially when you consider the fact that he most likely harmed children while he was a Hunter (Tommy said that what Joel did “gave him nightmares” and Hunters are almost always willing to kill kids; they wouldn’t have kept him around for at least a year if he wasn’t willing to at least help them capture kids for their flesh/resources). Sarah would also be disappointed to see him letting so many people die to save a girl who he only cares about because she reminds him of Sarah. If Sarah were on that table, and she could choose to either die for everyone or live, she’d probably choose to die, and if Ellie were a boy, Joel would barely give a crap about her. He got over Sam’s death in less than a week. You need to stop dick riding, and accept that Joel was a bad person. A very bad one.

    • @muchduck3754
      @muchduck3754 Před rokem

      I mean... it’s an apocalypse do you expect him to be a pushover?

    • @proctorritter5176
      @proctorritter5176 Před rokem

      @@muchduck3754 there’s a difference between being a pushover and a murdering bandit

  • @EpicMRPancake
    @EpicMRPancake Před 2 lety +2

    He's fine with talking about Sarah but not about Sarah's mother?

    • @EvilA110
      @EvilA110 Před 2 lety +26

      He’s becoming more comfortable talking about his past, but it’s coming in pieces. He’s just started to become ok with talking about Sarah but her mother is obviously a painful topic he’s not ready to talk about.

    • @EpicMRPancake
      @EpicMRPancake Před 2 lety +3

      @@EvilA110 I understand that that was the writers' intention, but I don't think people work like that. It feels weird to think of intimacy as being on a per-topic basis. If Joel and Ellie are close enough to talk about the most painful topic then couldn't they talk about any other topic? One explanation that makes more sense to me is that there's a limit to how much painful stuff Joel can talk about in a single conversation, regardless of the company.

    • @_spt-warwolf_4575
      @_spt-warwolf_4575 Před 2 lety +12

      @@EpicMRPancake That's my bet, Joel's already opening up about the worst thing that happened to him. So he's probably not in the mood to share and explain another painful experience.

    • @eduardocruzgastelum129
      @eduardocruzgastelum129 Před 2 lety +6

      @@EpicMRPancake Talking about his ex-wife and his daugher are completely differente things, Joel thalks about his daughter with ellie 'cause she reminds him about her, it's literally his daughter 2.0, even if Sarah's death was something terrible on his life, but apparently, there's nothing good about his ex-wife that Joel wants to say

    • @realdealofskills
      @realdealofskills Před 2 lety

      @@EvilA110 that’s a good point you made, it’s understandable why Joel becomes more open to Ellie as the story progresses because of how Ellie understands him very well as she gets to get to know him more.

  • @itsnick8751
    @itsnick8751 Před 2 lety

    The first game is better than the second.

  • @zeafrz3186
    @zeafrz3186 Před 2 lety

    Even joel wife dead or divorce

  • @madog61
    @madog61 Před 2 lety

    Oh damn never noticed that
    Yeah why they never mention that
    Ig it doesn't matter to his character idk

  • @kittykenma7192
    @kittykenma7192 Před rokem

    Am I crazy or why does he not sound like joel at all

  • @wyattsalmon
    @wyattsalmon Před 2 lety +10

    Say it with me Tlou 2 doesnt exist and never happend

  • @ethanford6358
    @ethanford6358 Před rokem

    Maybe Joel killed his wife 😮

  • @jrena9443
    @jrena9443 Před 2 lety +2

    Another example why Joel’s early death was unnecessary

    • @ZombieSlayer876
      @ZombieSlayer876 Před 2 lety +3

      His character arc was finished, and the loose ends like his lie to Ellie were tied in a couple short flashbacks. There was nowhere to take his character in my opinion, so it was the next natural step and a good way to escalate the plot to where the player feels the same strive for revenge Ellie does.

    • @GillOfTheNorth
      @GillOfTheNorth Před 2 lety

      @@ZombieSlayer876 the way he died also showed his growth while also paying homage to all the hurt he had caused in and before the 1st game.

  • @JJShalashaska
    @JJShalashaska Před 2 lety

    I hope Joel doesn't die in TLOU remake as well

  • @bulldog6545
    @bulldog6545 Před 2 lety +2

    They had to kill him because they couldn't come up with who the wife was? lol

  • @izzyd3613
    @izzyd3613 Před 2 lety

    No shit Sarah’s mom

  • @Umarrda
    @Umarrda Před 2 lety +3

    And after this masterpiece of a game instead of diving into untold stories the fans actually wanted to hear they let some dumb femi practice her bs and had joel get golfed in the head 🤦‍♂️

  • @cherkovision
    @cherkovision Před 2 lety +4

    My theory is that they broke up because Joel came out as gay. That's why he doesn't want to talk about it, moved to Boston, became platonic friends with Tess, and owes "favors" to Bill.

    • @samwallaceart288
      @samwallaceart288 Před 2 lety +4

      Joel does seem very uncomfortable around that magazine in front of Ellie. I don't know... that's pretty sus...

    • @mrpringle9479
      @mrpringle9479 Před rokem

      He's pretty flirty with Tess so I doubt it

    • @cherkovision
      @cherkovision Před rokem

      @@mrpringle9479 I don't know.
      Tess: It's like we're on a date.
      Joel: Well I am the romantic type.
      Tess: (laughs) You've got your ways.
      That's basically the extent of their flirting, and it gives the impression that they haven't actually been romantic with one another.

  • @jamiesmithvox
    @jamiesmithvox Před rokem

    I really wanna know what happened.

    • @PunkinRB
      @PunkinRB  Před rokem

      there's more than a few responses on this video where a handful of us share our thoughts on that- some seriously thought out with evidence, others (including 1 or 2 of mine) just ridiculous but theoretically possible... in short- read some of the comment threads here

  • @KevsShwaShwa
    @KevsShwaShwa Před 2 lety +1

    Can’t wait for all of this, including the opening of the game, to be replaced by the left behind dlc and I bet we won’t even play as Joel in the remake. Lost all respect for this studio.