I'm a mod and ls guy. They're both respectable. Coyotes rev high and make Damn good hp per ci. The ls is able to be dropped in a Damn miata with plenty room. They both make really good numbers and are both nice engines. Whether you like coyotes or ls engines, Ford or Chevy, oval or bowtie, at least we all like muscle and not honda cervixs. Idk why people can't just get along, respect each other, and compliment each make.
Because Ford fanboi's are sore loosers. Look up and down the comment section on this vid- filled with butt hurt Ford guys. Just like the one who chimed in before my comment, who has apparently forgotten they LOST the first shootout
@@smiller225 I already know where this debate is going to go, seen it a million times. The 4.6 destroyed LS1 with boost. "Oh but you needed a blower." Ok, well explain ZR1s losing to boosted Coyots then. I'm sure you've seen the vids by now.
What’s so funny is neither gm or ford will allow a simple test against the Mopar Hemi lol. It absolutely destroys them in hp and especially torque with less mods. That’s why they have banned it from nascar etc over 20 times since 1952 lmao
Mopar For Life mopars make more power with more displacement but the cars that they come in are slow as fuck so no one cares lol. There’s no rivalry it’s ford vs Chevy because they compete the hemis still don’t compete because they weight so much that it negates any extra power the cars have
@@richardhead8826 www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/cam-valvetrain/ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-coyote-dyno-results/ This is where i was getting the numbers.
Hey guy, been watching pretty much everything you put out over the past 4 years or so- i'm a mechanic and drag racer, so this is right up my alley. I watched the last shootout with great interest. Everything seemed above board to me. Kind of leaves me to reason that the only people complaining are the sore loosers that expected the Coyote to smash it out the park. These Coyote fanbois will complain this time too if their beloved Coyote doesn't win because they believe it's cyl heads and overhead cams give it such an advantage over anything with pushrods. I'm expecting some butt hurt over this comment too. The fact of the matter is that YES, there is an advantage to overhead cams- but there is so much more to consider in the overall success of a motor build like this. Will be looking forward to another win going GM's way and a whole lot more butt hurt from the Coyote platform fanboi crew. Suck it, whimps
So it's 15k on just the motor then machine.. I guess that's what a ford motor starts at. I only need half of that for a true ls build.. And a 600 bucks for a block from the salvage yard.
And that's exactly why IN THE REAL WORLD the LS platform is the common sense choice, whereas the insanely expensive Coyote platform requires a 2nd mortgage for most guys in the working class, and perhaps divorce papers to boot. NOW you REALLY have something to cry about. I swear, you "Ford or die" guys are the worst of em all. Stupid "classic motto's" like "I would rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy"........OK, YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD & "PUSH YOUR FORD", WHILE I DRIVE MY CHEVY...........bunch of whinin' cryin' jack asses. Most of you can't even afford to build a Coyote motor anyway........which makes you guys even more pathetic. GET OVER IT. They're BOTH great engines that make great power..........but one is over-priced due to its design and all the skill & labor required to build it right........while the other can be built by anyone with common sense and decent mechanical skills.
HP/ci is ultimately meaningless, unless you're in a situation (read: racing class, etc...) that limits displacement. Realistically, HP per pound of engine weight (as another commenter mentioned) or HP per *external* dimensions are more valuable statistics. Perhaps even HP per center of gravity? Given that in a performance vehicle, you want the center of gravity to be as low as possible, it would make sense that the more (vertically) compact the engine is, the lower it could be located in the chassis; I'm not sure how that could be easily calculated, though.
May as well deliver the award to the coyote from now. Power per cubic inch (check), broader powerband/curve (check). Pending the tuner knows how to dial in the cam phasers :) should be interesting though. My vote is on the ford
Anthony Webber I would hope an engine 1.2 liters larger than the other would have a broader power band. We wouldn't even be talking right now if the LS3 were a 5.0L. If you reply with something apart from that, seems I may have to give you a free lesson in engine design lol
@@HighPerformanceNetwork, displacement help, but it's all about the valves, 4 valves out flow 2 valves, so 4 valves make high end Horsepower, 2 valves make low end torque
@@anthonywebber2211 Hey I can see you hinting towards the right direction. Its not so much the number of valves as you can make 2 valves flow more than 4. What you really should look at is the port design as a hemispherical design / pent roof is more efficient than the cross flow (common 2 valve). e.g even the classic hemi which have 2 valves still will outflow a cross flow design as the combustion chamber design promotes better combustion and greater energy transfer having the centralized spark plug.....Not even gonna mention the ford have dual cam phasing...trust me if the coyote were a 6.2L it wouldn't even be a fair match
Riiiight... “LS heads are Cleveland copies” Except that the valves are opposite and Clevelands have crappy port velocity despite having flowing high numbers.
Both phenomenal engines. The LS is your favorite beer that gets the job done for cheap and does it well. The coyote however, is a fine wine that's smooth as silk and gets the same job done... just with more dollar signs. Both great engines and the extreme brand loyalty gets old
So we are reducing ourselves to ricer math. Horsepower per cubic inch. The better number is a formula something hp per formula using physical size and weight.
travis bell - and size in engines is measured internally not externally. Which makes the ls the bigger engine, no one gives a fuck about outer dimensions unless you’re swapping the engine. As far as weight goes I’m sure the coyote weighs less than the ls.
@@CoyoteFTW How is it relevant? How does cubic inches make a difference to the car? The car sees an engine of a certain weight and size with a certain power/torque output. The only time cubes matter is in class racing which these aren't.
Horsepower per CI has been used in Racing for fucking DECADES!!! Like since the 50's dude! It was First Used as a term in F1 Racing. Ricer term. SMFH Fucking morons!
Or IS RELEVANT when normal people talk about what engine they are running. Even you Chev guys brag about how your stout LITTLE 5.3 truck LS can make so many horses on a stock block. FFS, according to your own new rules on engine size, you can't brag at all, as externally, it's the same bloody size as any other LS. You Chevy WANKERS want it both ways !!@@siraff4461
We have two Ford specific magazines, and multiple other magazines that cover Fords (Rod Authority, Street Muscle, TURNology, Dragzine, Off Road Xtreme, Diesel Army).
Power Automedia that’s a fantastic thing I was a Chevy guy for 20 years but they are no longer an interest what a let down!!!! Now I have driven ford I always get around 300000 miles on my automobiles and almost never have to put a penny in for upkeep. Thanks for the feedback I’ll look into it
They was salty last time they got new engine and Mustang was stock and got woopin. Embarrassment, that's why they gonna be fare and do both engine to get beat again? Lmaooooo
@@blakeok952 The coyote is far superior. Even true gm fans will admit to it. It's simple it's a 4v dohc the design is just better. Same with the 4.6 when you build a 4.6 properly, it's hard to beat them. The block on the 4.6 is good for 2500-3k hp, can an ls make that power on the stock block.?
Coyote in a fox chassis hard to beat that combo Hp isn’t the entire equation when building a FAST street car. Coyote is a superior design it WILL make more HP per cubic inch the LS is a good engine and it does have cubes on its side but coyote will spin much tighter. Regardless which wins Both are incredible engines.
Everyone knows in the NA game nothing can beat the LS motor. But no engine on the planet responds to boost like a Coyote motor. It takes twice the boost for an LS motor to compete with a Coyote. I must say I am kind of disappointed they are using a Gen 2 Coyote instead of a Gen 3. But still think under boost the Gen 2 will destroy the LS.
@@tonka10r99 Gen 2 is more durable for longevity due to the plasma linings Ford uses on the Gen 3. But these are going to be engines that run a few hero runs. Longevity isn't a factor.
I would like to see stock motor / super charger/ fuel system for part 2. Built motor for part 3, allowing the engine builder to select a tuner / tuning device on the factory ecu. I would also like to see you ditch hp per cubic inch, this is a shootout!
There are two choices of larger displacement Fords are 6.2L and a 460. I have a hard time believing either wouldn't take this competition. Read up on the 6.2L it's an incredible engine that simply arrived too late.
Both are great engines, both have ridiculous and biased fanboys, let's let the #s do the talking. Anyone with any real world automotive education or experience knows a bigger cubed LS will produce more power N/A. Theoretically, the Coyote should breathe better boosted, but LS def responds well to boost as well. I feel it should be highest HP wins, period. Of course the Coyote produces more HP per cube and of course the LS produces more torque... we already know this.
..which makes this charade, under the guise of an engine shootout, ..nothing more than an exercise in futility! While these morons standing around high five'n ..and polishing each others carrots!
You guys are obviously biased towards the LS. No worries though, a MPR built coyote if properly tuned is gonna kill the LS, may I suggest an additional rule to make things more interesting? Max power per PSI of boost, say 16psi on the LS vs 16psi on the Coyote.😎 Looking forward to Episode 2.
Because if you want a reliable engine, you put forged parts in it. That way, when you go to a gas station that dun goofed and put 87 in the 93 tank, you don't blow a hole in your piston.
1st the LS shop isnt even going to using a factory block in a production vehicle. It's an LSX block and you know they will go with 400+ CID. Limit the cubic inches to stock 376 cid that would be what most people build and make things very interesting.
Why didnt you choose to start off with the most current generation of Coyote engine with its 32 fuel injectors and factory flex fuel capabilities? I honestly don't care what some now defunct Coyote engine makes against its competitor.
I like the world you paper racer fanbois live in where the fact that most people cant afford the brand new tech crate engine doesn't matter. I have a 11 second ls2 car,a half finished fox body 5.0,and a LS variant just on a stand in my garage. I can't afford the cost of a new coyote for my projects or I'd have one in the fox. In the real world to most enthusiasts price matters. Hell price is why most of you armchair fanbois don't even own a fast car let alone one of these $30k engine builds....I mean seriously I don't have that wrapped up in all my projects. This competition is allowing more per engine from a dollar stand point than I have collected in all my projects currently.
The point of the budget is not to make a unique car, with 2 competing builders making an individualized setup and porting blowers or whatever, a budget is there to put the challenge that if anyone had 15 grand extra and is looking to get one of these cars, they could get this exact setup (so everything should be bolt on.) Say a blower, headers and exhaust, tune. Then dyno that to see the results and then we’d know the biggest bang for our buck
And they are adding torque plus hp to favor the LS.. otherwise if it was straight who made the most hp.. it would be the coyote easily. Gotta remember this is a heavily favored LS shop, I've been there.
@@smokeum12 Adding the 2 figures only helps the LS because it makes more numbers. Numbers is the name of the game. Specific output is interesting but ultimately only important if you're in some kind of sanctioned race league with a displacement limit. Weight would be a useful bit of Information but ultimately not likely a big enough difference to make any real notice once in a chassis unless it's going in some kind of ultralight exocet that could never hook the power these guys are about to make. This test will be interesting but ultimately those entrenched fanbois on either team wouldn't yeild the flag waving even if their engine was given twice the budget and scored no points. Excuses will be made. I actually though the last test was unfair to the LS. Why did the ford fools get to use a cheaper used block while team LS had to pay new prices? Yet these guys are LS biased......sounds like tired excuses.....
@@smokeum12 lol the ls made almost 50tq and 30hp more then the 5.0 🤣 let's see your excuse o will it's a 6.2 ya it is and gets better mpg to not our fault it's maka more power then the 5.0
For real though, why is this a thing? Both are insane. One of my bucket list builds is a clapped out looking notch with a 5.3 turbski under the hood. Also on the bucket list build is a coyote stock class car. They're both awesome engines. I lean Ford, but also thoroughly enjoy an LS, just not the typical LS nutswinger people.
Which ever has more compression would most likely make the most hp but with them not having to use the same blower will change that. The same blower and pulleys should have been a must.
These engine shootouts are only half the puzzle. The chassis is just as big if more important than the engine. At the end of the day its every LS boys dreams to swap an LS into a fox because those Chev platforms are just too heavy. Coyote has evend the playing field. Secondly; Why would you go Holley on a Coyote? LS parts have always been cheaper. Use the stock coyote computer and save the money for other parts on the Coyote. Guys are easily making Kinda like the LS had aftermarket heads last time. The stock ECU is more than capable and can tune E85. Holley cant even control the 6R80 so in my opinion its inferior other then the logging. Brent LaSala and his twin turbo coyote make 1,636 horsepower and 1,335 lb-ft of torque - to the wheels..... on the stock ECU with twin 62mm turbos and stock heads (with springs) and stock cams. Stock engine vs stock engine the coyote makes more horse power per PSI than the LS. The LS has the cubes and wins in the torque department. Now put the Chev into a chev chassis and the ford in a Ford chassis and watch the ford win.
@@PowerPerformanceCZcams I realize that. Will Ford be given the vct box as well? VCT can be worth 90 WHP in the mid range based on a 800hp build. I know you have an impossible task of trying to level the playing field. It's just that every part for the Chev is cheaper (we all know that). For example, Chev has one cam, Ford has four. Ford should be able to save money where they can. Chev has. In this situation I would have stuck with the stock ecu and put that money elsewhere. Chev and Ford guys do thing differently. Trying to cookie cutter each build is difficult. Regardless; I enjoy the series. Thanks for all your hard work putting it together. -Ryan
Funny the Coyote is still HEAVIER than an LS3 in stock form and the LS3 I saw in stock form still had more torque and HP than the Coyote, hell my L83 5.3 TRUCK motor from the factory has 355 hp and 385 torque a few mods very simple and cheap mods from what I've heard and it blows the Coyote out of the water.
You're constraints driven by the engine dyno clearly favor the LS. You've handicapped by 2 points for the coyote, but the whole purpose of the additional weight of 4V OHC VCT. is the benefits of suck and blow optimally across all conditions. A more fair contest would be $15k, one LS block, one coyote block, best numbers win. In that scenario, the coyote is a bit disadvantaged due to cost of older tech and simpler components. However, under unlimited boost, the coyote will destroy the LS simply because of the valvetrain and tuning advantages. The price point kinda keeps that in check. I just hate you crafted the parameters around an old school measuring shop. Holley? Seriously ? You might as well have a competition between an MMA fighter and a boxer where it's boxing only because the judges are boxing scorers and don't know anything about octagon scoring
@@ranchurdhimster4955 hes saying that its still not a fair test dude......lt1 vs gen 3 coyote and 15k to make the most power would have been fair. Or....even FI on a 100% stock motor would probably be more realistic as most people who can will FI their shit but wont rebuild the engine due to complexity or budgetary concerns. Limiting it to a centri SC and holly tuning is a crutch for the LS. The coyote only needs injectors, a fuel pump, FI and maybe OPGs to make a LOT of power. Mustangs out there making over crank 1000hp without changing so much as a valve spring. Much less rods, pistons, rings, cams etc.....
32 valve motor make hp not tq LS make hp and tq because be push rod engine that why bigger displacement the old 91 ZR1 385 displacement 32 valve v-8 405 hp and tq was the same
@@atomatom7355 hp per ci doesn't mean much outside of talking about efficiency of the engine itself. A smaller displacement, higher revving engine will be more efficient at making power. Simple really, since it has less friction (since the Pistons are smaller there is less surface area) and revving higher simply works to the equation of hp. That's why the BMW v8 in the m3 made good hp per ci.
Sounds like a better plan for comparison. Regarding average horsepower, however, simply subtracting 3,000rpms from peak and then comparing is poorly conceived for more reasons than I care to get into. I'd average the power under the curve far more comprehensively and compare instead of a flat 3,000rpms lower comparison.
What happened to the last competition? Camaro made more power because more work was done to the engine if I recall correctly, then the Mustang kicked it's ass on the drag strip and that was that....lol...was there a follow up episode to that? Maybe I missed it, or did you just accept defeat to the Mustang and give up? ..lol
Last thing I remember was them doing about 2 or 3 more revisions on the tune in the Camaro because they just couldn't accept that the Mustang whooped it's ass😂
@@freak_5.042 the cars are shit but as far as the engines Ford has been playing catch up for 15 years just now got their shit together. Not a good look. Come on the mustangs are a first pick of a female with a lead foot, they like the Camaros but those are the fat bitches, all the hot ladies go mustang, hint hint. Look what home boy drove in a mustang, I thought he was gay the first couple of shows I watched, I'm still not sure. Am I rite or am I rite. LMFAO, that just happened.
When did they put the engines in something? I must have missed it or you're confusing competitions. They did a 2 part engine build. I thought the point was deciding on the powerplant to swap into your project that doesn't have one. You'd have to be a fool to spend the money to swap a coyote into a camaro that had an ls or a ls into a coyote stang. Insane expenditures when your existing motor is good. If However you have one of the many vehicles with the ability to accept either powerplant and x budget and numbers not fanboy flagging is your game that's the point of these kinds of shootouts. If you want a coyote or an ls no matter what these tests are pointless. If you want to build the fastest Fox body or 240 or miata or whatever with say $20k these tests are useful Information.
The final Pony Wars episode can be found here: czcams.com/video/KBRQ97wpQoc/video.html. This is a new series, which is a follow up to the original LS vs Coyote we did a few years ago.
The only thing I would add to the contest would be 110 race fuel as an Alternate. Please consider my opinion as a viable substitute for the track as well. Put a strict contingency on time "test and tune" procedure. This would be a huge disappointment if not added to the contest.
I was hoping you could of done a bone stock brand new motors ad boost dyno ad more dyno show most power on stock injectors headers. Than ad bigger injectors headers if maxed out keep adding pounds of boost till the motor breaks something than tell us the verdict
We all know the coyote wins the races. Do most power from 3k to redline. In a street race the ls guys have to shift while the coyote still has 1000rpm to build gap city USA. Also need to use ford controls pack in order to control the coyote cams. Don’t just lock them out
themrjones a 1500rwhp ls is gonna need an lsx block, top end components. Unless you want to make 1500 then have it blow up. It’ll end up costing close to the coyote
A more appropriate rev band to measure is redline down to whatever a upshift can accomplish. No use measuring any revs that are going to be outside the peak useable range of the gears. I can't believe ford fans pull the revs higher card. Such an old ricer argument. S2k revs even higher are we all gonna swap out our v8s? Usable power in the engines band is all that matters once the vehicles gearing is set properly.
chublez speaking from experience in my 2015 car I shifted at 8100rpm. Car made peak power at 7600. Anytime I ran an 800whp ctsv or corvette I would pull away at the top end of each gear. 3.73 gears, manual car. My car barely made 775whp
Apples to oranges folks. No replacement for displacement so 6.0 LSwhatever will get the W . I’d find this whole thing a bit more interesting if they use a voodoo or an over bored coyote to keep displacement closer . Or a more budget take with a truck 5.3 and a truck coyote starting point.
@@alonzokincaid1362 see last contest. And if you want to talk about drag racing in the last contest, Camaro driver was a host, mustang driver was a actual race car driver. Yeah that's a apple's to apple's test lol.
I agree and they should consider weight and overall size along with swap ability. Im not a hater, I really like the Coyote engine but those guys at LME are insane builders and tuners. As soon as LME was mentioned I knew it was over for the Coyote. The Ford fan boys will be making excuses for months on this shoot out too.
I see they had to change it to add horsepower and torque together in favor of the LS, more torque on a larger displacement engine is a no brainier. Why not keep it separate, oh that's right.. because you are a heavily favored LS shop. Do you have LS swapped mustangs there? Do you have a coyote swapped Camaro? EXACTLY!! I could care less about all the stupid categories... Most HP should take it. Making stupid stuff to favor one from the other is just silly. Here's another thought, make the LS go first this time, since during the boosted Camaro vs mustang Dyno you made the mustang go first and kept pushing the Camaro until it barely topped the mustang.
If HP is all that matters go drive a boosted supra. Torques are just as important to me in my car that's why I have a v8 to begin with. Adding together who makes the most numbers in a numbers competition hardly seems like favoritism. Also what displacement limit? The whole point of this round to is to remove that excuse for you butt hurt fanbois. If anything the hp/displacement 2 points is Coyote favoratism. Everyone knows it's going to get those 2 points. Everyone also knows specific horsepower while a neat measure of engineering doesn't win races. Otherwise the s2000 would have been the fastest production car when it came out. Specific horsepower is for nerding out not for winning races.
Far as I can tell the scoring is set so that unless the LS makes more numbers and a better avg number it wont be able to beat the Coyote. So it either wipes the floor or losses to a 2 point handicap. How anyone could argue that scoring system favors the LS is beyond me.
@@chublez Ok I see what you are saying. Most of my issues honestly come from their first test. Their choice of parts for the coyote was absolutely ridiculous. And to top it off, they had a well known LS tuner do the tuning for the coyote. LS guys would have had a shit fit if the LS was put together and tuned by a coyote shop. This time they have great builders, but again are they going to have Cunningham tune it again? I will back off what I said about the specific rules.. it is what it is. And at the end of the day this is just one test. However there is just no denying that this shop favors the LS, again I have been there and seen it with my own eyes, and talked to them. So in the end if they have a reputable Coyote tuner, and a reputable LS tuner working on the engines separately.. then let the results fly.
@@smokeum12 this shop is not a factor at all. They are having a LS builder build and dyno the LS and a coyote build build and dyno the 5.0 each engine is going to get the right stuff so we gonna see what's what once and for all.
I'm an LS guy.. but ur wrong.. the dual overhead cam is a superior design.. the coyote has the tech advantage, it just doesn't have the cubes... this battle will come down to 2 things.. block and rod strength.
@@yolofullsend bro I'm just a car guy that happens to be driving a pushrod motor ford I appreciate your honesty ... ls will go down as the greatest long living pushrod engines ever amazing engines small lightweight large displacement reliable great factory heads what's not to like and pound for pound of upgraded will run any coyote down the road as they have cubic inches.
Willydilly 21 I agree even though I'm a Ford guy and know on the street the coyote would destroy the LS BUT!!!...... THE guy pulled in there in a Mustang for a reason.. it's because they are gonna set it up for the LS to win I saw that right away
So are we setting boost limits here or just doing hail Mary passes on the Dyno to make power? In all rights the coyote should make more power cause it has more valves to get air in and out of the engine faster but, who doesn't like the ideal of cheap LS's making gobs of power for penny's on the dollar. This will always be a stupid comparison because fan boys can't leave anything alone.
Lmfao😂😂😆😆😆 this is going to epic.. You know when# get pushed over 1500hp and still holding together there's going to be trash talking like no other.. No booste number.. 😆.. Or injector size..
I'm a mod and ls guy. They're both respectable. Coyotes rev high and make Damn good hp per ci. The ls is able to be dropped in a Damn miata with plenty room. They both make really good numbers and are both nice engines. Whether you like coyotes or ls engines, Ford or Chevy, oval or bowtie, at least we all like muscle and not honda cervixs. Idk why people can't just get along, respect each other, and compliment each make.
That would require common sense and maturity.
Exactly!!
Bunch of my daddy can beat up you're daddy dipshits lol
Because the ls motors are junk!
Because Ford fanboi's are sore loosers. Look up and down the comment section on this vid- filled with butt hurt Ford guys. Just like the one who chimed in before my comment, who has apparently forgotten they LOST the first shootout
SUPER excited you guys are running it back with boost!
The fact the LS is still being challenged shows how amazing it is.
Or the lack of innovation at GM
@@MoctezumasRevenge1 or the fact it took Ford over a decade to make something that could compete with the LS.
@@smiller225 I already know where this debate is going to go, seen it a million times. The 4.6 destroyed LS1 with boost. "Oh but you needed a blower." Ok, well explain ZR1s losing to boosted Coyots then. I'm sure you've seen the vids by now.
Lol the ls motors are cheap junk.
its top hslf is a Ford do whatever
I'm a Ford guy but I know Brian and Ryan over @ LME and they can squeeze tears out of there n/a engines. We shall see.
The LS is cheaper to build by far, that's the main reason people love them. It also has a lower center of gravity and is smaller.
What’s so funny is neither gm or ford will allow a simple test against the Mopar Hemi lol. It absolutely destroys them in hp and especially torque with less mods. That’s why they have banned it from nascar etc over 20 times since 1952 lmao
Mopar For Life mopars make more power with more displacement but the cars that they come in are slow as fuck so no one cares lol. There’s no rivalry it’s ford vs Chevy because they compete the hemis still don’t compete because they weight so much that it negates any extra power the cars have
Ford: I’m going to get you next time
Chevy: good luck buddy
Mopar: braaaaaaaaaaaaaa tick tick tick tick tick
Ford and chevy: no one likes you Carla
If you do hp per ci you should also do hp per pound. Lol
Ok. Mod motors weigh less than LS3 lol
Coyote = 430 lbs
LS3 = 466 lbs
@@richardhead8826 On the Engine Labs website they listed the LS3 at 418 pounds with accessories.
@@markbunn8576 On the GM page where you buy one it says 466
@@richardhead8826 Maybe that's as shipped, in a crate or something. The lS in the test was 418. They have all the deminsions and specs on the website.
@@richardhead8826 www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/cam-valvetrain/ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-coyote-dyno-results/
This is where i was getting the numbers.
Hey guy, been watching pretty much everything you put out over the past 4 years or so- i'm a mechanic and drag racer, so this is right up my alley. I watched the last shootout with great interest. Everything seemed above board to me. Kind of leaves me to reason that the only people complaining are the sore loosers that expected the Coyote to smash it out the park. These Coyote fanbois will complain this time too if their beloved Coyote doesn't win because they believe it's cyl heads and overhead cams give it such an advantage over anything with pushrods. I'm expecting some butt hurt over this comment too. The fact of the matter is that YES, there is an advantage to overhead cams- but there is so much more to consider in the overall success of a motor build like this. Will be looking forward to another win going GM's way and a whole lot more butt hurt from the Coyote platform fanboi crew. Suck it, whimps
So it's 15k on just the motor then machine.. I guess that's what a ford motor starts at. I only need half of that for a true ls build.. And a 600 bucks for a block from the salvage yard.
And that's exactly why IN THE REAL WORLD the LS platform is the common sense choice, whereas the insanely expensive Coyote platform requires a 2nd mortgage for most guys in the working class, and perhaps divorce papers to boot. NOW you REALLY have something to cry about. I swear, you "Ford or die" guys are the worst of em all. Stupid "classic motto's" like "I would rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy"........OK, YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD & "PUSH YOUR FORD", WHILE I DRIVE MY CHEVY...........bunch of whinin' cryin' jack asses. Most of you can't even afford to build a Coyote motor anyway........which makes you guys even more pathetic. GET OVER IT. They're BOTH great engines that make great power..........but one is over-priced due to its design and all the skill & labor required to build it right........while the other can be built by anyone with common sense and decent mechanical skills.
Cool another vid series that's gonna take a long time to finish.
HP/Liter?? Coyote guys sounding a lot like Honda folks...
HP/ci is ultimately meaningless, unless you're in a situation (read: racing class, etc...) that limits displacement. Realistically, HP per pound of engine weight (as another commenter mentioned) or HP per *external* dimensions are more valuable statistics. Perhaps even HP per center of gravity? Given that in a performance vehicle, you want the center of gravity to be as low as possible, it would make sense that the more (vertically) compact the engine is, the lower it could be located in the chassis; I'm not sure how that could be easily calculated, though.
LS vs coyote vs hemi ??????
And I am not taking about a hellcat motor 6.4 or 5.7
That’s not a thing
Let’s Go MPR and Tim Eichhorn! Very cool. Congrats.
May as well deliver the award to the coyote from now. Power per cubic inch (check), broader powerband/curve (check). Pending the tuner knows how to dial in the cam phasers :) should be interesting though. My vote is on the ford
When they did this a couple years ago with just the engines, the LS3 had a broader powerband
Anthony Webber I would hope an engine 1.2 liters larger than the other would have a broader power band. We wouldn't even be talking right now if the LS3 were a 5.0L. If you reply with something apart from that, seems I may have to give you a free lesson in engine design lol
@@HighPerformanceNetwork, displacement help, but it's all about the valves, 4 valves out flow 2 valves, so 4 valves make high end Horsepower, 2 valves make low end torque
@@anthonywebber2211 Hey I can see you hinting towards the right direction. Its not so much the number of valves as you can make 2 valves flow more than 4. What you really should look at is the port design as a hemispherical design / pent roof is more efficient than the cross flow (common 2 valve). e.g even the classic hemi which have 2 valves still will outflow a cross flow design as the combustion chamber design promotes better combustion and greater energy transfer having the centralized spark plug.....Not even gonna mention the ford have dual cam phasing...trust me if the coyote were a 6.2L it wouldn't even be a fair match
High Performance Network
4 Valves have more surface area
Should have gotten module Motorsports to build the coyote engine. By far the best engine builder when it comes to the modular engines
what makes the LS good!!. small size for big displacement
cleveland heads
@pdelmo70 Donut media made a video about the LS but simply the engine is small and it flows very well
Very close to the weight and height of a coyote. The coyote is obviously wider...
Riiiight... “LS heads are Cleveland copies”
Except that the valves are opposite and Clevelands have crappy port velocity despite having flowing high numbers.
pdelmo79 and that’s what limits it
Looks like the LS will be built with a LSx iron block. Presumably that will mostly equalize the weight of the engines.
LS BABY!!!
I love these shootouts! 2 great motors! I’m excited to what internals both motors get built with.
If the yote guys are gonna cry about cubes, we ls guys can cry about the 47 cams in the Ford motor.
😹😹😹
Cool to see MPR handling the coyote! I have one in my 13gt.
LS is winning
Same size pulley on the superchargers to compare hp on the same flow. Then do a pull with the smallest pulley you can use for both.
So Texas speed doesn't build fast Ls motors then huh? Someone call cleetus and get Leroy out there.
Israel Cardona it is a strong block
Yeah I know.. Oh they must have some land speed record.. ?? T.s.p. builds them for abuse.. 😉
Cleetus nut rider
@@EGGINFOOLS learned how to do it from your mom.
@@israelcardona5170 Oh no a "your mom" joke. I wouldn't have thought you were interested in women. Nice surprise!
Both phenomenal engines. The LS is your favorite beer that gets the job done for cheap and does it well. The coyote however, is a fine wine that's smooth as silk and gets the same job done... just with more dollar signs. Both great engines and the extreme brand loyalty gets old
It’s would have been a tough choice between LME And Texas speed
Hell yeah! LS baby!!!
So we are reducing ourselves to ricer math. Horsepower per cubic inch. The better number is a formula something hp per formula using physical size and weight.
travis bell - and size in engines is measured internally not externally. Which makes the ls the bigger engine, no one gives a fuck about outer dimensions unless you’re swapping the engine. As far as weight goes I’m sure the coyote weighs less than the ls.
@@CoyoteFTW Coyote weighs more. Don't talk shit about what you "think" you might know.
@@CoyoteFTW How is it relevant? How does cubic inches make a difference to the car? The car sees an engine of a certain weight and size with a certain power/torque output.
The only time cubes matter is in class racing which these aren't.
Horsepower per CI has been used in Racing for fucking DECADES!!! Like since the 50's dude! It was First Used as a term in F1 Racing. Ricer term. SMFH Fucking morons!
Or IS RELEVANT when normal people talk about what engine they are running. Even you Chev guys brag about how your stout LITTLE 5.3 truck LS can make so many horses on a stock block. FFS, according to your own new rules on engine size, you can't brag at all, as externally, it's the same bloody size as any other LS. You Chevy WANKERS want it both ways !!@@siraff4461
Man we was boosting engines back in the 90s where the hell you been
Looks like a GM page if you read the links in descriptions?
We have two Ford specific magazines, and multiple other magazines that cover Fords (Rod Authority, Street Muscle, TURNology, Dragzine, Off Road Xtreme, Diesel Army).
Power Automedia that’s a fantastic thing I was a Chevy guy for 20 years but they are no longer an interest what a let down!!!! Now I have driven ford I always get around 300000 miles on my automobiles and almost never have to put a penny in for upkeep. Thanks for the feedback I’ll look into it
They was salty last time they got new engine and Mustang was stock and got woopin. Embarrassment, that's why they gonna be fare and do both engine to get beat again? Lmaooooo
This video made me have to subscribe. Saw the original and forgot the channel so now im subbed for the showdown lol
I wonder if they're going to pull the old trick that getting a new block would be to expensive so we are using an F150 block
Either builder can purchase a used block if they choose.
@@PowerPerformanceCZcams more money for the LS
What do you expect? They're gm fans, of course they're gonna do whatever they can to make sure the ls wins.
Karl Hopkins shows that LS is a better build idea,as they have cheap blocks everywhere
@@blakeok952 The coyote is far superior. Even true gm fans will admit to it. It's simple it's a 4v dohc the design is just better. Same with the 4.6 when you build a 4.6 properly, it's hard to beat them. The block on the 4.6 is good for 2500-3k hp, can an ls make that power on the stock block.?
Should total weight also be a scoring category? The ls is more ci but also weighs considerably less than a coyote.
Coyote in a fox chassis hard to beat that combo Hp isn’t the entire equation when building a FAST street car. Coyote is a superior design it WILL make more HP per cubic inch the LS is a good engine and it does have cubes on its side but coyote will spin much tighter. Regardless which wins Both are incredible engines.
Holley Efi is great for ls base engines , should have used to ford racing control pack to take advantage of variable cam on the coyote .
Are you going to use the vvt controller for cam timing or just lock them out?
Locking out a key feature of a motor ..... Last i check the dominator wasnt able to use vvt but its been awhile.
@@mrjesuschrist2u Yes the Holley system can control the VCT with an extra box and extra cost.
The fastest coyote from Lund racing doesnt even have VCT locked out. It's not needed.
@@4eyefox for a race car sure, on a street car it's a major deal. The whole point of the shootout is for street performers. Imho the vvt should work.
They are going for Dyno numbers no points given for street manners so do whatever makes the most hp.
both are great builders!!!
Everyone knows in the NA game nothing can beat the LS motor.
But no engine on the planet responds to boost like a Coyote motor. It takes twice the boost for an LS motor to compete with a Coyote.
I must say I am kind of disappointed they are using a Gen 2 Coyote instead of a Gen 3. But still think under boost the Gen 2 will destroy the LS.
Some say the Gen 2 Coyote is more durable than the Gen 3.
right thats why gm is dumping tbeir engines and going modular ..
Legendary In the real world a boosted coyote does destroy a LS... we'll see what these guys say
@@tonka10r99 Gen 2 is more durable for longevity due to the plasma linings Ford uses on the Gen 3.
But these are going to be engines that run a few hero runs. Longevity isn't a factor.
@@dominicsosa7405 lol, they are tho
I need the next episode like NOW!! 🤓😜
Coyote for the win seen too much on the street to say otherwise LS engines are good though I cannot lie. what year are the cars???
This is an engine build/dyno competition. No cars.
BIG MIKE coyote powered mustangs smoking all these ls on the street.
Power Automedia I totally understand now but Are they 2018 are 2019s Because there is a difference between a 17 and 18 Coyote & LS Engines
@@alonzokincaid1362 And maming all the spectators on the sidewalk 😂
@@bigmike9408 They used the older Gen 2 for comparison for some reason...
When's part two coming 6 months from now like last time?
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Horsepower per cubic inch is meh. Sorry you can't make 7.0L mod motors. Might as well count horsepower per valve at this point.
So when do we get to see the shootout???
Coyote will clean sweep now that boost is in the equation. Nom nom nom!
LOL, we'll see. You all thought that last time. That's why your all so butt hurt
Butt hurt, really? Grow the fuck up kid.
Boost, or no boost....Ford already won this competition the moment GM had to start with 6.2L to compete with 5.0L.
@@alfrede.neuman8611 the 6.2 is actually smaller in size and weight vs the 5.0 and still makes more power. Soooooooo what are you really saying.
@@robertgardner2782 I guess to that, I'm saying you're flat out wrong. :)
I would like to see stock motor / super charger/ fuel system for part 2.
Built motor for part 3, allowing the engine builder to select a tuner / tuning device on the factory ecu.
I would also like to see you ditch hp per cubic inch, this is a shootout!
every time I hear that a ford engine makes less because it has smaller displacement... Then get Ford to make a larger displacement engine?
How about limiting LS to 5.3 ltr?
@@OehlJim we talking about limiting to see what makes the most?
@@CamaroThings If that makes for an honest contest, yes. Why not compare engines of like displacement? Afraid the Chevy won't compete?
@@OehlJim no but legit your suggestion makes as much sense as building a 2L V10 engine.
There are two choices of larger displacement Fords are 6.2L and a 460. I have a hard time believing either wouldn't take this competition. Read up on the 6.2L it's an incredible engine that simply arrived too late.
Hp per cubic inch points? What about 1 cam vs 4. 16 valves vs 32. Or how about hp per physical cubic inch or weight of the engine itself?
Both are great engines, both have ridiculous and biased fanboys, let's let the #s do the talking. Anyone with any real world automotive education or experience knows a bigger cubed LS will produce more power N/A. Theoretically, the Coyote should breathe better boosted, but LS def responds well to boost as well. I feel it should be highest HP wins, period. Of course the Coyote produces more HP per cube and of course the LS produces more torque... we already know this.
..which makes this charade, under the guise of an engine shootout, ..nothing more than an exercise in futility! While these morons standing around high five'n ..and polishing each others carrots!
You guys are obviously biased towards the LS. No worries though, a MPR built coyote if properly tuned is gonna kill the LS, may I suggest an additional rule to make things more interesting? Max power per PSI of boost, say 16psi on the LS vs 16psi on the Coyote.😎 Looking forward to Episode 2.
334MRL has a stock S550 Coyote that has Twin turbos and makes over 1000 to the wheels... why do they need to build a coyote for boost?
Because if you want a reliable engine, you put forged parts in it. That way, when you go to a gas station that dun goofed and put 87 in the 93 tank, you don't blow a hole in your piston.
Why points for power per cube? Why not power per weight/physical size?
It's not Chevy fought that ford won't build a bigger engine. Even Dodge started building bigger engines Dodge has a 5.7 and a 6.2.
1st the LS shop isnt even going to using a factory block in a production vehicle. It's an LSX block and you know they will go with 400+ CID. Limit the cubic inches to stock 376 cid that would be what most people build and make things very interesting.
Why didnt you choose to start off with the most current generation of Coyote engine with its 32 fuel injectors and factory flex fuel capabilities? I honestly don't care what some now defunct Coyote engine makes against its competitor.
Tim Eichorn is the #1 Coyote guy in the country. He got $15k, but at this power level and E85, doubt flex fuel makes a difference.
@@PowerPerformanceCZcams Only as much of a difference as a Direct injected LT4 vs Port injected LSA
Which Gen Coyote are they using?
@@freak_5.042 They are using the Gen 2 from 2015-17
I like the world you paper racer fanbois live in where the fact that most people cant afford the brand new tech crate engine doesn't matter. I have a 11 second ls2 car,a half finished fox body 5.0,and a LS variant just on a stand in my garage. I can't afford the cost of a new coyote for my projects or I'd have one in the fox. In the real world to most enthusiasts price matters. Hell price is why most of you armchair fanbois don't even own a fast car let alone one of these $30k engine builds....I mean seriously I don't have that wrapped up in all my projects. This competition is allowing more per engine from a dollar stand point than I have collected in all my projects currently.
This is gonna be good
Okay now this is epic. The Mod V8 Coyote will breath better under boost imo!
The point of the budget is not to make a unique car, with 2 competing builders making an individualized setup and porting blowers or whatever, a budget is there to put the challenge that if anyone had 15 grand extra and is looking to get one of these cars, they could get this exact setup (so everything should be bolt on.) Say a blower, headers and exhaust, tune. Then dyno that to see the results and then we’d know the biggest bang for our buck
No no no.. no power per cube.. that's just a mustang gimme.. power to engine weight is at least applicable to real life..
That why they did it, coyote needs help or else it's obviously going to the power champ.
And they are adding torque plus hp to favor the LS.. otherwise if it was straight who made the most hp.. it would be the coyote easily. Gotta remember this is a heavily favored LS shop, I've been there.
@@smokeum12 Adding the 2 figures only helps the LS because it makes more numbers. Numbers is the name of the game. Specific output is interesting but ultimately only important if you're in some kind of sanctioned race league with a displacement limit. Weight would be a useful bit of Information but ultimately not likely a big enough difference to make any real notice once in a chassis unless it's going in some kind of ultralight exocet that could never hook the power these guys are about to make. This test will be interesting but ultimately those entrenched fanbois on either team wouldn't yeild the flag waving even if their engine was given twice the budget and scored no points. Excuses will be made.
I actually though the last test was unfair to the LS. Why did the ford fools get to use a cheaper used block while team LS had to pay new prices? Yet these guys are LS biased......sounds like tired excuses.....
@@chublez
I have been to their shop, they are ls based.. there is zero denying that.
@@smokeum12 lol the ls made almost 50tq and 30hp more then the 5.0 🤣 let's see your excuse o will it's a 6.2 ya it is and gets better mpg to not our fault it's maka more power then the 5.0
For real though, why is this a thing? Both are insane. One of my bucket list builds is a clapped out looking notch with a 5.3 turbski under the hood. Also on the bucket list build is a coyote stock class car. They're both awesome engines. I lean Ford, but also thoroughly enjoy an LS, just not the typical LS nutswinger people.
Money on the LS
Jared Smith sledding.
Which ever has more compression would most likely make the most hp but with them not having to use the same blower will change that. The same blower and pulleys should have been a must.
Not a chance. The coyote makes way more power with boost than an L.S.
@@Brett4517 Yep.
@@Brett4517 wrong
So Summit Racing is the only parts source allowed?
Why no turbos
The different displacement would probably sway things too in favor of the LS
@@jaredsmith4944 it wouldn't even be close
kingpin454turbo Because it wouldn't be fair to the ls engine 5.0 love boost
@@bigmike9408 ^ha.
@Andrew V Yeah and the LS1 was doing that in 1997. 😂🤣😂🤣
Coyote is cool and all, but nothing can beat a good ol ls
Be sure to require that LS spin to 8k like the Coyote can... Boom goes the LS.
It's called destroking and dry sump oil system. Soin 8k all day.
@@williammull6784 Probably doesn't fall in the budget lol.
Lol tatakstock crank from 4.8 stick it in ls2 dry sump is factory on ls7.... hmmmm sounds like some pretty easy common parts.
Also funny you say spinning 8k when most 5.0 stop making power around 7400....
Fun fact lme actually has destroked ls package on CZcams and makes almost 700 na and was spinning 8k
Power per cube doesn't account to anything other than a bragging point for 4 cylinders. Power per lbs on the other hand is very important
Tuning for coyote (Lund Racing)
Last time they had an LS shop tune the coyote
smokeum12 yeah I have seen it lol
I love coyotes. But the LS is the superior platform. When you can toss a 4.8 crank in a 7.0 block you know your engine platform is amazing
These engine shootouts are only half the puzzle. The chassis is just as big if more important than the engine. At the end of the day its every LS boys dreams to swap an LS into a fox because those Chev platforms are just too heavy. Coyote has evend the playing field.
Secondly; Why would you go Holley on a Coyote? LS parts have always been cheaper. Use the stock coyote computer and save the money for other parts on the Coyote. Guys are easily making Kinda like the LS had aftermarket heads last time. The stock ECU is more than capable and can tune E85. Holley cant even control the 6R80 so in my opinion its inferior other then the logging. Brent LaSala and his twin turbo coyote make 1,636 horsepower and 1,335 lb-ft of torque - to the wheels..... on the stock ECU with twin 62mm turbos and stock heads (with springs) and stock cams.
Stock engine vs stock engine the coyote makes more horse power per PSI than the LS. The LS has the cubes and wins in the torque department. Now put the Chev into a chev chassis and the ford in a Ford chassis and watch the ford win.
Regardless. Great fun. I cant wait to see how it turns out.
The Holley ECU does not count against the budget, it's easier to tune, features for boost and easier to use the on the engine dyno.
@@PowerPerformanceCZcams I realize that. Will Ford be given the vct box as well? VCT can be worth 90 WHP in the mid range based on a 800hp build. I know you have an impossible task of trying to level the playing field. It's just that every part for the Chev is cheaper (we all know that). For example, Chev has one cam, Ford has four. Ford should be able to save money where they can. Chev has. In this situation I would have stuck with the stock ecu and put that money elsewhere. Chev and Ford guys do thing differently. Trying to cookie cutter each build is difficult. Regardless; I enjoy the series. Thanks for all your hard work putting it together. -Ryan
Funny the Coyote is still HEAVIER than an LS3 in stock form and the LS3 I saw in stock form still had more torque and HP than the Coyote, hell my L83 5.3 TRUCK motor from the factory has 355 hp and 385 torque a few mods very simple and cheap mods from what I've heard and it blows the Coyote out of the water.
The coyote will eat that ls with boost especially if they use 3rd gen coyote
God damn it subscribed. Gotta see this all the way.
You're constraints driven by the engine dyno clearly favor the LS. You've handicapped by 2 points for the coyote, but the whole purpose of the additional weight of 4V OHC VCT. is the benefits of suck and blow optimally across all conditions. A more fair contest would be $15k, one LS block, one coyote block, best numbers win. In that scenario, the coyote is a bit disadvantaged due to cost of older tech and simpler components. However, under unlimited boost, the coyote will destroy the LS simply because of the valvetrain and tuning advantages. The price point kinda keeps that in check. I just hate you crafted the parameters around an old school measuring shop. Holley? Seriously ? You might as well have a competition between an MMA fighter and a boxer where it's boxing only because the judges are boxing scorers and don't know anything about octagon scoring
Soooo you're saying Ford sucks?
@@ranchurdhimster4955 hes saying that its still not a fair test dude......lt1 vs gen 3 coyote and 15k to make the most power would have been fair. Or....even FI on a 100% stock motor would probably be more realistic as most people who can will FI their shit but wont rebuild the engine due to complexity or budgetary concerns.
Limiting it to a centri SC and holly tuning is a crutch for the LS. The coyote only needs injectors, a fuel pump, FI and maybe OPGs to make a LOT of power. Mustangs out there making over crank 1000hp without changing so much as a valve spring. Much less rods, pistons, rings, cams etc.....
@@PFCAVB00 lol just a motor meme bro coyotes are great engines. But ls is mo betta
32 valve motor make hp not tq LS make hp and tq because be push rod engine that why bigger displacement the old 91 ZR1 385 displacement 32 valve v-8 405 hp and tq was the same
Wonder if the new 7.3 ford engine will be possible to mod and make some power
This is getting ridiculous. Trying every scenario to give the coyote a win. Next up. Twin turbos. After that. Can a turbo coyote take down the n/a ls
ls is a Cleveland anyway
the first shootout the Coyote did win.. IF you went by hp per cubic inch...? LS had 75 more cubes...
@@atomatom7355 hp per ci doesn't mean much outside of talking about efficiency of the engine itself. A smaller displacement, higher revving engine will be more efficient at making power. Simple really, since it has less friction (since the Pistons are smaller there is less surface area) and revving higher simply works to the equation of hp. That's why the BMW v8 in the m3 made good hp per ci.
You do realize this is still ls favored right? They should have just said here, take a ls3/lt1 and a gen 3 coyote. You got 15k to make the most hp. Go
Coyote wins every scenario
If you do HP per cubic inch its only fair to do HP per camshaft.
LS ftw again
Sounds like a better plan for comparison. Regarding average horsepower, however, simply subtracting 3,000rpms from peak and then comparing is poorly conceived for more reasons than I care to get into. I'd average the power under the curve far more comprehensively and compare instead of a flat 3,000rpms lower comparison.
What happened to the last competition? Camaro made more power because more work was done to the engine if I recall correctly, then the Mustang kicked it's ass on the drag strip and that was that....lol...was there a follow up episode to that? Maybe I missed it, or did you just accept defeat to the Mustang and give up? ..lol
The mustang did beat the camaro my G look up the video of the drag race lol
Last thing I remember was them doing about 2 or 3 more revisions on the tune in the Camaro because they just couldn't accept that the Mustang whooped it's ass😂
@@freak_5.042 the cars are shit but as far as the engines Ford has been playing catch up for 15 years just now got their shit together. Not a good look. Come on the mustangs are a first pick of a female with a lead foot, they like the Camaros but those are the fat bitches, all the hot ladies go mustang, hint hint. Look what home boy drove in a mustang, I thought he was gay the first couple of shows I watched, I'm still not sure. Am I rite or am I rite. LMFAO, that just happened.
When did they put the engines in something? I must have missed it or you're confusing competitions. They did a 2 part engine build. I thought the point was deciding on the powerplant to swap into your project that doesn't have one. You'd have to be a fool to spend the money to swap a coyote into a camaro that had an ls or a ls into a coyote stang. Insane expenditures when your existing motor is good. If However you have one of the many vehicles with the ability to accept either powerplant and x budget and numbers not fanboy flagging is your game that's the point of these kinds of shootouts. If you want a coyote or an ls no matter what these tests are pointless. If you want to build the fastest Fox body or 240 or miata or whatever with say $20k these tests are useful Information.
The final Pony Wars episode can be found here: czcams.com/video/KBRQ97wpQoc/video.html. This is a new series, which is a follow up to the original LS vs Coyote we did a few years ago.
The only thing I would add to the contest would be 110 race fuel as an Alternate. Please consider my opinion as a viable substitute for the track as well. Put a strict contingency on time "test and tune" procedure. This would be a huge disappointment if not added to the contest.
I'm sub'd. .. And hit the bell.... 🔔. ..
LS wins again...☝
Oh? 🤔 I remember them doing 3 different tune revisions on the LS and STILL couldn't beat the little 5.0😆
I was hoping you could of done a bone stock brand new motors ad boost dyno ad more dyno show most power on stock injectors headers. Than ad bigger injectors headers if maxed out keep adding pounds of boost till the motor breaks something than tell us the verdict
We all know the coyote wins the races. Do most power from 3k to redline. In a street race the ls guys have to shift while the coyote still has 1000rpm to build gap city USA. Also need to use ford controls pack in order to control the coyote cams. Don’t just lock them out
It cost twice as much to build with lower torque
Holley can control the cams
www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/coyote_ti-vct/parts/554-145
themrjones a 1500rwhp ls is gonna need an lsx block, top end components. Unless you want to make 1500 then have it blow up. It’ll end up costing close to the coyote
A more appropriate rev band to measure is redline down to whatever a upshift can accomplish. No use measuring any revs that are going to be outside the peak useable range of the gears. I can't believe ford fans pull the revs higher card. Such an old ricer argument. S2k revs even higher are we all gonna swap out our v8s? Usable power in the engines band is all that matters once the vehicles gearing is set properly.
chublez speaking from experience in my 2015 car I shifted at 8100rpm. Car made peak power at 7600. Anytime I ran an 800whp ctsv or corvette I would pull away at the top end of each gear. 3.73 gears, manual car. My car barely made 775whp
Apples to oranges folks. No replacement for displacement so 6.0 LSwhatever will get the W . I’d find this whole thing a bit more interesting if they use a voodoo or an over bored coyote to keep displacement closer . Or a more budget take with a truck 5.3 and a truck coyote starting point.
No replacement for displacement eh? Is that why smaller mod motors have faster 1/4 record times than LS?
Here we go again, ls for the win. Again!
Jon Ward except when they install the engines and actually race!
@@alonzokincaid1362 see last contest. And if you want to talk about drag racing in the last contest, Camaro driver was a host, mustang driver was a actual race car driver. Yeah that's a apple's to apple's test lol.
why not an aluminum block LS? So they have to have sleeve work paid for too..
I'll go ahead and tell you the final score.
LS = 7
Coyote =2
Extra points should be awarded for swapability
I agree and they should consider weight and overall size along with swap ability. Im not a hater, I really like the Coyote engine but those guys at LME are insane builders and tuners. As soon as LME was mentioned I knew it was over for the Coyote.
The Ford fan boys will be making excuses for months on this shoot out too.
Coyote weighs less doesn't it?
@@warrenstephens3705coyote will lose, I've never seen one in a Miata yet
@@northdakotakid no the all aluminum LS weighs less.
In a boosted app th LS has no chance. Coyote wont even have to touch anything in the heads to make more power boosted.
Lets throw a new hemi in the mix too!
I see they had to change it to add horsepower and torque together in favor of the LS, more torque on a larger displacement engine is a no brainier. Why not keep it separate, oh that's right.. because you are a heavily favored LS shop. Do you have LS swapped mustangs there? Do you have a coyote swapped Camaro? EXACTLY!! I could care less about all the stupid categories... Most HP should take it. Making stupid stuff to favor one from the other is just silly. Here's another thought, make the LS go first this time, since during the boosted Camaro vs mustang Dyno you made the mustang go first and kept pushing the Camaro until it barely topped the mustang.
If HP is all that matters go drive a boosted supra. Torques are just as important to me in my car that's why I have a v8 to begin with. Adding together who makes the most numbers in a numbers competition hardly seems like favoritism. Also what displacement limit? The whole point of this round to is to remove that excuse for you butt hurt fanbois. If anything the hp/displacement 2 points is Coyote favoratism. Everyone knows it's going to get those 2 points. Everyone also knows specific horsepower while a neat measure of engineering doesn't win races. Otherwise the s2000 would have been the fastest production car when it came out. Specific horsepower is for nerding out not for winning races.
Far as I can tell the scoring is set so that unless the LS makes more numbers and a better avg number it wont be able to beat the Coyote. So it either wipes the floor or losses to a 2 point handicap. How anyone could argue that scoring system favors the LS is beyond me.
@@chublez
Ok I see what you are saying. Most of my issues honestly come from their first test. Their choice of parts for the coyote was absolutely ridiculous. And to top it off, they had a well known LS tuner do the tuning for the coyote. LS guys would have had a shit fit if the LS was put together and tuned by a coyote shop. This time they have great builders, but again are they going to have Cunningham tune it again? I will back off what I said about the specific rules.. it is what it is. And at the end of the day this is just one test. However there is just no denying that this shop favors the LS, again I have been there and seen it with my own eyes, and talked to them. So in the end if they have a reputable Coyote tuner, and a reputable LS tuner working on the engines separately.. then let the results fly.
I have a coyote swapped camaro.
@@smokeum12 this shop is not a factor at all. They are having a LS builder build and dyno the LS and a coyote build build and dyno the 5.0 each engine is going to get the right stuff so we gonna see what's what once and for all.
Why didn't you use the Gen 3 Coyote?
Coyote will win
Damn no 6.1 or 6.4 3rd gen hemi love lol I know there in boats but damn they are some bad ass engines when built too
Theres really no contest here LS is a superior engine in every way over the Coyote.
And coyote cost more per cubic inch to get the big power
Lol
I'm an LS guy.. but ur wrong.. the dual overhead cam is a superior design.. the coyote has the tech advantage, it just doesn't have the cubes... this battle will come down to 2 things.. block and rod strength.
@@yolofullsend bro I'm just a car guy that happens to be driving a pushrod motor ford I appreciate your honesty ... ls will go down as the greatest long living pushrod engines ever amazing engines small lightweight large displacement reliable great factory heads what's not to like and pound for pound of upgraded will run any coyote down the road as they have cubic inches.
Lmfao
We see them get down on the street all the time over here TX.
LS is gonna win
ford heads on a chevy just like prostock
Willydilly 21 I agree even though I'm a Ford guy and know on the street the coyote would destroy the LS BUT!!!...... THE guy pulled in there in a Mustang for a reason.. it's because they are gonna set it up for the LS to win I saw that right away
Very scientific
You gonna put a new Engine in the Comaros again and Stock engine in the Mustang like the past...
So are we setting boost limits here or just doing hail Mary passes on the Dyno to make power? In all rights the coyote should make more power cause it has more valves to get air in and out of the engine faster but, who doesn't like the ideal of cheap LS's making gobs of power for penny's on the dollar. This will always be a stupid comparison because fan boys can't leave anything alone.
No boost limits. The builder decides the combination.
Lmfao😂😂😆😆😆 this is going to epic.. You know when# get pushed over 1500hp and still holding together there's going to be trash talking like no other.. No booste number.. 😆.. Or injector size..
Whem they did the last challenge the ls won but with 15k budget, ls is cheaper. Im excited for this because coyotes respond well to boost
Ls easy win. 😑
But would you put your paycheck on it?
queefreak already have son. Whipped that coyote all kinds of way. And just saying I have an ls2 ok
You should compare the Lt1 to the coyote instead. Imo
Really wish you all wouldn't have used prochargers. I hated mine. Changed to a screw blower and haven't looked back
15psi boost doubles displacement
also a lot of 5.0L engines have mahle,manley parts, they should use ford made pistons and rods for this one