Fawlty Towers - The Sudoku
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- čas přidán 10. 08. 2020
- This is such a brilliant idea from Peter C Hayward, who made this as a tribute to the great John Cleese. You can play the puzzle here:
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Rules:
Normal Sudoku rules apply. Additionally, there are 9 towers. Digits in each tower sum to the number shown below it.Digits in each tower increase in value from bottom to top. Except...2 of the towers are faulty, and do not increase in value, while another 5 towers do not sum to the given number. No tower is faulty in both ways.
Peter's discussion with John Cleese can be seen here:
• I Met John Cleese Today
@JohnCleese
#fawltytowers
#johncleese
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I paused the video right after "where does the 9 go in this box" to try and deduce for myself where the 9 went. I got a pretty good laugh when I came back and got "I don't care!"
Jason Malutich 🤣
I love the way he says "I have no idea how to go about solving this puzzle!" And then goes about solving the puzzle. Every time.
To be fair, we have no idea when he doesn’t solve it
@@Isaac-pb2ok I predict that is 1 in 50 puzzles. Simon has the whole book of tricks up his sleeve ready to pull them on ya at any time!
Puzzle solver has existential crisis mid solve:
"where does the nine go? I don't care!"
At least it didn’t go in the corner. 😉
@@dibenp meanwhile I'm like "yeah now tell me where it goes in box 7!!"
20 minutes later "ah, I could have gotten this ages ago"
Sean Hoke Same! But then I missed the ones...
Puzzle creator: hey here i have a few sum-clues of the marked regions for you!
Also puzzle creator: oh btw, most clues are wrong.
😈
Haha, yup, they had me at the beginning. I thought this puzzle would be pretty easy until I got to the "Except..."
@@peterc.hayward8067 How do you even begin to set a puzzle like this one?
@@EmonEconomist Setting it is one thing, just set up the grid and chose what clues are wrong.
Then see if it is solvable, which is the hard part in this case.
The question is rather:
Is there any way to start solving this that does not require guesswork? (No, I have not seen the video, so I will assume it involves keeping a spread sheet of possibilities in your head (if you are Simon) or on paper/a spread sheet program for most people).
@@57thorns didn't watch the video either but it doesn't require guesswork!
I LOVE this idea of wrong clues. It's SO interesting, and requires very different logic than some other puzzles. You can't use the regular tricks for thermometers or sums, because it MIGHT be totally wrong, and you'll have gone on a wild goose chase. I hope other people are inspired to design similar puzzles!
"I'll use red to show correct" - controversial!
I used the bottom row instead - black to indicate false sum, red to indicate false thermometer, blue to indicate all is well, white to indicate I don't know.
I used grey at the top to indicate a liar, red for broken thermo, and green for correct. I chose my colors before Simon did. lol
“Where does 9 go in this box? The answer is I DON’T CARE!”
-Simon Anthony, 2020
My husband and I watch you every night during dinner. These videos have been a wonderful bright spot over the past few months. Thank you for bringing this small joy into our home.
Me trying to Crack a Cryptic puzzle: "Ahem--I know nahhh-theeng."
59:41 for my solve, which I'm pretty proud of. I found the breakthrough with the 9 in box 8 within a decent time but I wasn't able to push the beautiful logic with the 189 triple in this same box to its conclusion, so I did struggle a lot to disambiguate which column among 4, 5 and 6 was the broken thermometer.
I did really enjoy solving it but finding this extra-trick in Simon's solution makes it even nicer. Really beautiful puzzle!
Where does the 9 go in that box?
Me: I don't know!
Simon: I don't care!
trolling, as done by the pros :)
First base.
Two days in a row of puzzles where being able to use letters in pencil marks would be fantastic, glad to hear yesterday that's in the works...
42:04 for me. I avoided this one back when it was posted because it was beyond my comprehension on how to begin. I was indeed still stumped when I tried it again today, but I eventually figured out a break-in.
Just watching the video as I'm trying this and my break-in was completely different. My break-in was rather simple though it's a little long to explain. If you read the rules, you'll notice it says two columns are not thermos. So that means 7 of them ARE thermos. This means you need a column that starts with at least a 7 otherwise you won't have enough thermos (and 9 can't be used). Only columns 1 and 8 allow it. Then you need a column to start with at least a 6. Only columns 1,2 and 8 allow it. But columns 1 and 2 cannot both be thermos that start with digits 6 or higher because you'll repeat digits in the box. So that means that column 8 is a thermo. Now onto 5. Only columns 1, 2 and 4 can start with a 5. But columns 1 and 2 are again restricted. They cannot be both 5 and 6 because of the digits in the box. And column 1 cannot start with a 7 with column 2 starting with a 5 either. That means 5 cannot start in column 1 or 2. Column 4 MUST start with a 5. Then if you look at 4, column 5 cannot start with a 4 because it'll run out of digits if it can't use 6 or 7 because of the previous thermo in the same box. So column 1 or 2 must start with the 4 and we now know columns 1 and 2 are both valid thermos (one of them starts with a 4 and the other starts with either a 6 or 7).
Figuring out the other columns is fairly easy from that point on. One of columns 5 and 6 is not a thermo and has a valid count, so we can use the same logic you did in the video where only column 5 can use both an 8 and a 9 in its sum. Column 6 can only start with a 2 leaving column 7 with no candidates. So column 9 starts with a 3. Then it's sudoku time. :)
I absorb your happiness. Thank you for being so joyful!
"Don't mention the 4. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it all right."
Can we get some of the easier John Cleese tribute sudokus as well?
Not sure if I'm allowed to post links, but the creator shared the set of 5 puzzles on the /r/sudoku subreddit. If you go there and search "John Cleese" you'll find them. :)
@@Crocodile_Appreciator Thanks!
@@Crocodile_Appreciator they're also all up on Logic Masters Germany under the username "peterchayward". They're the ones with JCQ in the title.
Is there a dead parrot sudoku?
@@moonglum101 There is not, alas! Nor a Fish Called Wanda one. I couldn't work out mechanics that tied into them thematically.
Great puzzle! The logic to get going on this one was BRUTAL, but once you get there (if your head hasn't exploded yet), the sodoku falls apart pretty easily.
13:30 That was some fast typing dang.
At 2:30 I can picture John Cleese watching this video and saying "Get on with it!!!"
And now for something completely different
My first look without knowing the rules:
I think, the sum below every marked area is for the marked area. After that: Towers? Oh... I see. I think, the digits must increase from from top to button or from button to top. Seems like a really easy Sudoku.
The final ruleset: Nope . exe
I started in my head before knowing the rules (Simon did not get to them yet), just taking the clues as killer clues for the coloured regions. And noticed the contradiction with the 41 and 42 clues. Liar puzzles like that always mess with my head, even though they tend to be cleverly constructed, so I should give more effort trying them myself.
The idea of "here's this rule which is satisfied all the time except..." makes the logic for this puzzle so tricky.
My mind just switched off when he started using Red to indicate the Right towers 🥴, and then not indicating every column AND not using a different colour for the other types of faulty tower 🤒
"Created as a tribute to John Cleese"
Me:
same with Betty White...every time she is trending it's only her 200+th birthday
@@Patterner Ahh, sliced bread. The greatest invention since Betty White.
This took me so many hours but was so satisfying! I took a different route to Simon as well. I started with the provided 7, which told me either c7 or c9 had a broken thermometer (otherwise there would be two 7s in box 6). I then used the same logic as Simon to deduce that c7 or c9 had an incorrect sum (or else there would be two 3s in box 3) so quickly deduced that c7 and c9 were faulty in different ways. From there there was lots of thoughts regarding how the two broken thermometers must provide access to the 1s and 9s in boxes 7-9 (once I'd convinced myself that r7c8 couldn't be a 1) and eventually deduced the solution. What a marathon! Thanks so much to the setter :)
Fawlty Towers is brilliant and so is this channel.
Simon: "I'm sure many of you should be familiar with the BBC sitcom from the 1970's"
Me: an American in my early 20's "Uhhhhhhhhh, nooooooo."
It's widely considered one of the best sitcoms of all time! Definitely worth a watch
You are certainly missing out
Let's put it this way: Your favorite sitcom-The Office (US)-wouldn't exist without Fawlty Towers.
I'm an American in my early 20s who watched Fawlty Towers as a kid (on dvd from the library).
Well, as a Norwegian in my late 30's, I feel ya. We get a lot of both british and murrican TV, but I never heard of it either.
jesus what an incredibly creative puzzle this is amazing
Loved the start of the puzzle. I noticed that the two larger towers have the characteristic that one is faulty thermo and faulty sum. But it took me quite a while to figure out that the three at the beginning are correct thermos. But once you realize that, the solve is very natural. This puzzle just had a beautiful setting. Great work Peter!
Btw, just checked out Peter's video on John Cleese, it is pretty amazing how John says he enjoys Killer Sudokus :D
Thanks Arun! :D
Goodness. Hearing the secret with no fanfare, and no song for our three in the corner. 2020 was a lawless time
Brilliant guitar intro!
Thanks for another great video. I come back every day, and eat my dinner while watching the solve. Thanks again.
I genuinely didn't think I could solve this one...44minutes later, it was done. What a genius construction! It really looked impossible and then solved with such a beautiful logic path
Loved it, the puzzle and Fawlty Towers!
Managed to solve this in 1:50:09, missing several bits of Simon's cleverness so I needed to explore more 'can this one be ascending/correct-sum/both' possibilities.
I feel so proud I put a digit in the grid at least 5 mins before Simon. Granted it was because of logic he part explained then didn't complete. I still consider it an achievement.
Beautiful puzzle. Well done
Wow, what a towering start. After that, the cryptic of this sudoku fawlted over. 30 mins start, followed by a 5 mins solve
7:59: "One of these at least is a broken thermometer. But that doesn't really help us with the quadruple across the bottom."
*wife walks by*
"... what the f*** are you watching?"
Lucky that he didn't talk about the best naked single he's ever seen.
This is absolutely madness gorgeous of a puzzle!
Finally, someone else who's favorite Monty Python movie is the same as mine. Thank you Simon.
Impressive solve!!! Great puzzle!
My favourite British TV program, although it makes me feel totally not clever, is Only Connect.
A little mind bending to start with juggling the faulty tower permutations. Delighted to complete this albeit in well over an hour.
Thank you for this puzzle.
Took me much more time, but it all was enjoyable.
Amazing puzzle with a fantastic solve path
That was some amazing logic on the towers part in the beginning
The logic on the towers in the G and J columns reminded me of S2E6 _Basil the Rat_, where they don't know which slice of meat has rat poison on it, they decide to give the inspector the one the cat had been eating, and then the cat starts being sick ..... so Basil hurries out and changes it for a different one before the inspector eats any of it, but then the cat makes a recovery ..... it was just a furball, and now the inspector has a possibly-poisonous plateful .....
I sat there at the beginning wondering "where do I know that tune from?" I slapped my head when I remembered the title of the video
As soon as he placed the 7 in the 3rd column I was screaming about the 7 in the top middle of box 2. When he then entered the little 7 as a reminder for the bottom middle in the same box I was like NO WHAT THERE'S A 7 RIGHT THERE! And then eventually, he got back to that box and said "that can't be a 5". At this point I was like AND NOT A SEVEN EITHER YOU'RE EVEN HOVERING OVER THE 7!!
So frustrating when you see something that he doesn't. Mind you, I'm horrible at solving puzzles. I love doing Sudokus on easy levels, though. Excellent puzzle though, I love watching him solve things. It's so calming (usually ;) )!
Most sadistic rule set ever.
@25:50 "We're almost to the point where this is going to become a sudoku." :D
You solved this about as fast as I could write a program to solve this. Impressive.
Love those thermometowers.
wow, really beautiful puzzle
"Don't mention the war!" ... classic
"I did, once, but I think I got away with it."
I saw “tribute to John Cleese” and I was like “did he die I swear to god”
I had to pause the video to find out.
Gotta say, I understand the need to advertise the subscribe and bell notification thing, and I don't mind a shout out somewhere in the video, but I found the popup animation and sound effects very distracting. I understand you want to say something because the all mighty algorithm, but maybe try something else? Just my opinion. Overall great content!
I agree. The sound effect was a bit loud compared to Simon's smooth voice and overall it distracted me as well. No hate though.
The pop up was fine imo, but the noise was very garish
I was hollering about the 9 in the blue collum for like 10 minutes but everything else blew me away.
When Simon Anthony wants to visit Paris:
"Make sure we visit the Eiffel Thermometer!"
I could not solve this puzzle even if i had a years worth of time
Unfortunately, most of the ones he does are like that for me!
Before you explained the rules, I was sitting here going, "Um, how do you put 2 3's in box 3?" I know at least one of those towers is faulty, so that's a start. I'm actually going to try this. Don't think I'll finish it. But we'll see. Let's get cracking.
Did you finish it? Or are you still going 15 hours later?
unfortunately I quit after 23 minutes. I did make several correct deductions, I just couldn't figure out how to use them to move forward
I really like your videos but didn't like the subscirbe & like pop-up with it's sounds. Maybe remove the sounds and move it to the side of the screen, that would make it much less obtrusive.
Solved it with help from the video. Additional possiblities to mark towers as faulty at sum or thermo would have been much helpful!
What a fascinating puzzle. It took me several hours to solve but I did it without referring to the video. Very hard to get my head round it.
Fawlty Towers is awesome (and I AM from the US) and so is this puzzle! "Don't mention the war!"
Great puzzle
Very good!
Wish I had tried that one :(
What a cool puzzle!
13:31 OKAY MISTER SPEEDY FINGERS
almost 20mins before a digit :D love it !
Excellent
That was fantastic!
This must be the best named puzzle ever. Great fun too.
Warty Towels is certainly...
_creative_
At first I did not believe this actually has a unique solution or a solution at all and I am just shocked.
Simon is getting incredibly fast at the inputs. He's popping in digits and even pencil marks as quickly as he thinks.
So, while I was hopelessly lost I did manage to pause before Simon put any digits into the puzzle and work it out from there by myself after the initial logic jumpstart. I used colours in the top row to help as well, I used red to indicate a tower with the wrong total, blue to indicate a broken thermometer, purple to indicate the two that could be either until I disambiguated them and green for the nonfaulty towers which helped me keep track of what I needed to do for each one.
My experience was similar. I just couldn't wrap my head around the logic without an assist. Simon's got this way of getting straight to the heart of what's relevant, without all the dreck that tends to clutter my brain. In this case, once I go to the point where I could think about the puzzle in a useful way, it was a pleasure to solve. Before that, though? Nah.
I wish I'd thought of coloring the top row. I did the columns themselves, but the underlying shades made it difficult to read the state of things at a glance.
Certified completely fresh
I think it's when I hear myself yelling things like "THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO MAKE 34 IN 5 CELLS!" and "LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT! YOU KNOW WHERE THE 9 GOES!" at the british man on my TV that I finally understand how sports people feel.
Wouldn't even know how to get started, this was way too much for my limited intelect xDD congrats to both Simon and Peter for this amazing puzzle.
I saw the first number 30sec before Simon, but after that...absolutely no plan...
:)
It would have been really helpful to have used 3 different colours to mark the cells at the tops of the columns. One for the (2 with) correct tower sum and thermometer. Another for the (2 with) correct sum but fawlty thermometer order. A third for the (5 with) liar sum but correct thermometer order.
Very interesting puzzle. I started by reasoning that wherever we put 9 in the bottom row, the thermometer must be broken. 8 in the bottom row is also broken unless it's 89 in column 8. 7 in the bottom row is heavily restricted (if the thermometer is correct). I also came up with the idea of shading squares in row 1 to indicate broken thermos or sums, so my solution at least has something in common with Simon's :)
I also coloured the top with color, but I did not think to make the correct ones red.....
Watching for the Miracle Sudoku release in Steam and I see the Cracking the Cryptic bundle and my first reaction was a word close to "bobbins!" as I have them all :) Any chance of an app store collection? maybe once the new app is out?
Definitely my favorite intro music...
Great puzzle
A real turn up , I got my first digit about 10 minutes before Simon, of course it was downhill from then on
I think you’re the first person I’ve heard say your favourite is Meaning of Life and not Life of Brian or Holy Grail. My favourite is one of those but I can’t decide between them. Either way excellent work all round. Him and Rowan Atkinson are right at very top for me.
General: "Nasty flesh wound you've got there"
Head in the sand: "Thanks very much, sir!"
This puzzle had my head rolling from the start.....
It's but a scratch 🤣
I really wanted to color code the towers by type of fault (or lack thereof) but the underlying colors made it a futile effort. Might have been nicer with the towers marked as killer cages instead. Very unique puzzle regardless
After a good long while I solved this puzzle and didn't bifurcate, but I continually felt some of my logic was shaaaaky. Like i could easily be overlooking a possible alternative that hadn't occurred to me. This often happens with puzzles with totally new logic and I often have to back up as a result. This time I didn't. I started with assuming all clues were correct and filling in towers to look for contradictions. I feel Simon's method of treating towers as thermometers and looking for contradictions was superior, or at least cleverer.
And I really really hope John Cleese sees this video.
That guitar intro! 👌
Skiperino Crackerino 2:28
I love the intro
12:39 to 12:51 is the greatest 12 seconds in CTC history
Around 15:45 -- "...three cells adding to 17. So there is a lot more lattitude." Not without an 8 or 9. The three cells are fixed: 467.
Around 18:10 -- "I still don't have a digit in the grid." Where do you place the 9 in block 7?
You can see the sea. It's over there between the land and the sky.
This puzzle is so tough I've got a bandage on my head! BTW... don't mention the war.
Yay! I solved this MF! When you start talking about John Cleese couldn't solve it, I went like what the hack, and gave it a try. It took me exactly 1 hour, in spite of the fact I found the broken towers faster - that 7 is a good start, because those two towers in the box could only have 9, 8, and 6, so clearly not possible. Very nice video, thanks for sharing it!
Instant thought!!! (before Simon gets cracking). There's a digit in box three. A "7". So the 42 & 41 thermos would clash in both were true thermos (7 would be required in box six, for each of them, which is impossible) - how long will it take Simon to spot this? Another way of looking at that is that each thermo would be required to end in a "9" (within box three).
And lo... finished in 28m54s
I also notice thermometers at the *tops* of columns 2 and 4.
What was that guitar music you were playing. I'd like to give it a try.