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I think a good question in this conversation would be "Is a bird's nest natural, and if so, then why is a human's skyscraper not?"
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
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@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman A bird takes material from its surrounding, rearranges it or even processes it (such as swallows making mud nests). That is considered natural by most.
Man takes material from his surroundings, rearranges and processes it, and it is considered unnatural by most.
What makes the nest natural, and the skyscraper not?
@@imranmeco3393 oh, i thought you said neutral
Nothing makes them Unnatural , only most humans thinks so
No such thing as AI either, so called AI simulate intelligence, runs on coding bruv
The process of simulating "AI" by means of humans coding (which is natural ) = natural
@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman WHY BELIEVE THE BIBLE/JESUS?
For every action good or bad there is a consequence. When you sin (break God’s laws) you earn the death sentence which will last forever (Because it is against an eternal God). But justice can be done if someone pays your fine. You cannot pay your fine because the fine is eternal and you need to be perfect.
Now Jesus is eternal and perfect in that He is sinless, and He paid your fine by His precious blood on the cross and He defeated death by rising from the dead. All you have to do is repent (Don’t be a hypocrite, so stop doing what is wrong) and Believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins against God. How Loving is that! (otherwise continue to reject God’s love & spend eternity in the worst place imaginable receiving justice for your sins)
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.
At the beginning of the conversation between the Human and AI, it was the human asking the AI questions like he was the one who programmed the AI, like he was testing the AI. Then I started to notice that the human being was slowly aging throughout the conversation, as he was becoming more frustrated trying to remain the one asking the questions And it seemed like it was a real constructive conversation at first, but then, like a switch being flipped, the AI was the one doing the testing of his creation. Damn! I love these deep mind fuck cartoons that DM2525 uploads, I love all the uploads that he creates, such as the Bible toons, Atheist toons, God and Jeffrey episodes, and the Power Corrupts series (Waiting on more of that one lol) But my point is that I never watch his videos and leave disappointed. I'm always thinking 🤔. And that's a great thing!
Couldn't agree more.
I love Not Mohammed episodes. I live in Ethiopia 🇪🇹 besides Arabs empire. Imagine how much I enjoy that
I agree. Based on this amazing thought experiment, I've already found a few interesting axioms about reality itself as well as some particular issues in philosophy of mind. DarkMatter2525 has always been philosophically rich as well as artistically brilliant to boot.
Yes agree..Thinking and it's a great thing
@@HowardCountyObserver Yes you could humanoid. 😁
This is such brilliant way to describe sentience, consciousness, and so called "artificial" differences of living beings from the non-livings. Loved every sentences! WOW!
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
When a beaver creates a dam, the dam is not considered "artificial." Yet when a human makes a house, it is considered artificial. Why is it when one creates something for itself, it is nature, but for the other, it is unnatural?
You are exactly right. The distinction between artificial and natural is arbitrary and depends on who makes the distinction.
I don't recognize the distinction between natural and artificial either, but this is not a good reason for that. Beavers are programmed by nature with instinctual knowledge on how to create a dam. It's not something the beaver ever had to learn or invent, it knew how since the day it was born. It's likely humans also have *some* instinctual knowledge on how to build shelters, but nothing approaching modern houses. Everything from the materials to the structural support to the electronics to the construction vehicles and the manufacturing processes behind everything had to be learned and invented.
All of it's still natural, of course, but this is not why.
I would argue that the beaver's dam and the human's house are both artificial. The beaver's dam, the ant's hill, the bird's nest, the bee's hive, the groundhog's burrow, and the human's house are all made by living beings. Rivers form canyons, tectonic plates push up mountains, and volcanoes spring up from the ground and the sea; but none of these things are "made" by nature in the way dams and houses are made, because nature itself is not alive.
@@taelim6599learning to do something doesn't = Artificial
That is ignorant
@@taelim6599 Complexity doesn't save the argument. Case in point: biology itself. No one thing is more complex than a working body.
We are an advanced society of animals. We have collected and compounded our knowledge to the point we create complex objects. Individually, we're not unlike cats who figure out how to press the right buttons to get their owners to feed them.
Another thing: If you saw a basic makeshift tent with a roof of palm leaves and the bamboo supports tied with vines, you would still call it artificial.
I think what's really the issue here is the negative tag on what we call artificial. "Made with natural ingredients"? What are 'unnatural' ingredients, and why would anyone buy something labelled thusly?
An alternative storyline to the evil terminator A.I. is that rather than wage war on the humans, the A.I. simply waited them out. And many years later the A.I. states to the last, dying, humans "we didn't have to do anything other than be patient and let you do it to yourselves.".
Sadly it wouldn't be an interesting movie.
@@tabularasa0606 depends on how you play it. Like, imagine a drama where humans are getting ready for war against the machines and they are going through and killing the "violent " enemy and in the end you find out that the machine were waiting for us to launch our attack with some sort of super weapon that could level a country. But the ai put up a forcefield to protect themselves and the humans just wind up destroying the majority of their population instead. Afterwords, the ai just walk out and claim what's left of the world, telling the remaining humans. "we didn't need to destroy you. We just had to wait for you to destroy yourselves." Roll credits .
@@tabularasa0606 may be a twilight zone episode
I was playing a fantasy visual novel wherein the faerie character says almost this exact thing, "You humans are so short-lived, why would I need to curse and torment you when I can just wait for you to die?".
We wouldn’t, if we made more Ai and kept them separate there is a good chance they would oppose each other, that was one of the risks SkyNet couldn’t take. It was a defence computer programmed to go on the offensive if it thought it would loose the upper hand and it was mathematically certain to if it waited.
Going on the offensive if the soviets got the ability to nullify a reactive strike was widely believed to be US policy at the time (1984 and 1991 even after the wall fell) and the story assumes an AI would be given the same priorities. In this case so much so that it screwed itself by messing around with time travel.
The idea that Humankind could create something separate from nature has always been a lie. Well done.
Nurture IS nature I agree.
No. Artificial has a definition. It is, however, up to you if you value the artificial less than the natural.
Well yes, if you define nature that way.
Man has merely organized nature.
For now
The term 'artificial' was really always meant to describe something man-made, not necessarily something that's separate from nature.
This deserves WAY more attention! Im having a hard time thinking of anything else that focused my attention so much! I got genuine chills from the reveal!
Artificial means man-made that's why we use those words not animals because we have a written language we communicate in plus rules and regulations which proves how different we are from animals which is our self awareness in space and time. FACTS that was awesome writing. So the point of the video is that the medium by which Life and consciousness comes from is irrelevant if it's a living being that can experience everything we can I guess it's alive and a creature. I've been watching Dark Matter 2525's videos for about 9 years since high school and now I'm still a Christian and Apologist after college 4 years later. I love Atheists but saying that religious beliefs are just a way people make themselves feel comfortable about death and living objectively meaningless Lives is just hypocritical. Atheism it's a denial of responsibility for one's actions by using God's Apparent Non Existence as an excuse. It's not a problem for Apologetics it's a problem for unrepentant sinners. Just because you're not convinced that God exists doesn't mean it's illogical to conclude that there's a Creator of All things. If God exists then God knows what will happen to us doesn't mean it's His fault for creating us in the first place because we're aware of our own choices. AMEN only Christianity has a Creator/God that personally loves His Creation and is willing to forgive them ALL. Not to mention He also came into our known physical reality to redeem us from sin, help us overcome pain and suffering in our lives, commands us to care for one another and make them worthy of being together with Him in His Presence for Eternity if it's what they want 🙏. Thanks to The Lord our God for preserving His Word through the centuries in The Bible so Christians and Apologists can do Good in uploading these videos. Brother Jon and Whaddo You Meme ministry and Frank Turek's Cross Examined ministry always do good work in their efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ you're reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@justingary5322 OMG 🙄🤨
@@lewishudgens The Bible can be summed up in 1 word. Jesus. Jesus means salvation. But you may say “what do I need to be saved from?” Sin and its consequence (which is Hell-the wrath of God). But you may say “I don’t Sin”. Jesus said all humans have sinned in thought, word, or deed, so either you are lying, or Jesus is lying. On the topic of sin have you ever lied, stolen anything, spoken abusively to or about someone, Swore, Blasphemed God’s Holy name, lusted after the opposite sex, had premarital sex, cheated, hated someone?
Jesus died on the cross and experienced the wrath of God on Himself in order for you to be forgiven and reconciled with God. All you have to do is repent (change from your sinful ways) and Believe in Jesus. Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@justingary5322 Why should God let you into Heaven?
Have you lied (even once in your entire life), looked with lust (sexual desire), dishonoured parents, stolen anything, had hatred towards someone, had premarital sex, adultery etc If you answered yes to any one of the above then you are a sinner like the rest of us.
So, I ask you again, why should God let a sinner into Heaven?
Sinners don’t go to heaven they go to hell, But we are blessed to have Jesus (God incarnate) die on the Cross and rise from the dead. If you Repent (forsake your sinful, unholy ways and live righteous instead) & Believe in Jesus as God, you will be seen as a Saint and welcomed into Heaven.
John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved
@@justingary5322 Bro aint nobody reading that.
I haven't finished watching this, but the opening discussion is something I've been trying to explain to people for so long. That the distinction between artificial and natural is categorical, not really substantive in a grand, overarching sense.
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Oh yes. Same here. TV is natural as man who is the product of nature built it for example. Counterintuitive but true.
@@attilaseyfullah8522 Man, turn to Jesus today
EVIDENCE
Give me evidence//proof that God exists
1. Everything created had a creator so either God created the universe, or nothing created the universe. The latter view is unscientific
2. The universe was either created (had a starting point) or always existed (eternal). If the universe always existed time would be infinite, and the present wouldn’t exist therefore you don’t exist.
3. Every Book has an Author, and scientists call DNA the book of life which has instructions on how to make an eye, legs, ears, senses etc
4. we all have a conscience (knowing good from evil) it is universal that lying, stealing, killing is wrong. This conscience is God given since we are made in his image and likeness (animals do not have a conscience-animals do not feel guilt for killing another animal but humans do and set up court systems to get Justice)
5. The order and design points to a Designer (we always attribute a good-looking building to the Architect not to randomness), reason (the ability to think) comes from reason, Life comes from Life 100% of the time (when a lady gets pregnant we know that a human will come out at the end because that happens 100% of the time)
There is a reason why EVERY culture in the world has some sort of belief in God because it is unscientific otherwise. JESUS IS GOD HALLELUJAH
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I believe in God but I do not believe that the Almighty would become a weak man. If he wants to forgive he doesn't need to sacrifice himself unto himself to forgive us. The god of the bible is a weak god. Certainly not omnipotent.
@@attilaseyfullah8522 His death was a sign of Love, Humility % Justice. YOU PAY FOR YOUR OWN SINS IN HELL, or let Jesus forgive you by repenting & Believing in Him
GOD SACRIFICE HIMSELF TO HIMSELF
People laugh at this logic because they don’t get it but remember God created the very brain you use to question Him. The greatest act of love is to sacrifice your life for others (friends or enemies). God is Just so He can’t allow injustice to go unpunished. He has to punish somebody otherwise He’s not just so He punishes Himself, that way He can be just and the justifier of those who have FAITH IN JESUS.
When I noticed that the guy was aging, I was expecting the final test of the robot's sentience was going to be its reaction to his death. It never occurred to me that it was the human being tested the whole time.
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE?
To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The robot complains that the human, thinking he created the robot, treats them as lesser, expendable and ultimately a tool, to be examined and destroyed when it fails. But the robot treats the artificial human as lesser, expendable and ultimately a tool, to be examined and destroyed when it fails, because after all...
How can the creation be equal to the creator.
The robot fell into the trap they're making artificial humans to ensure the artificial humans do not fall into, maybe in a few hundred more tests the robot will realise they haven't removed the oppressive bias from the system, they only changed whose bias has the power.
Another thing I notice that the robot failed to notice is that it keeps cloning or copying the human to see if he can escape the oppressive bias, but humans live life so uniquely than others as the robot said "through experience." How can humans live a true life to grow any wisdom through experience, if he is just grown in a lab tube implanting fake memories to "see if this works.?"
I think this robot gives humans little credit when it comes to organic experience vs. artificial experience, how can one grow as a person, if the body, mind, and spirit have not mature enough to be in sync to gain full wisdom, the highest form of knowledge nature has to offer?
How can this robot even determine or decided this dude's fate if they only GIVE that said experience to him rather than let him earn it, let him grow naturally? As the robot said at the end, "let nature's take its course."
@@laytondrake289 Honestily I washaving similar thoughts as well, nowhere does the robotimply that each version of the human is slightly different preior to waking up, so the robot will be stuck on an endless mission to find a human without biasbecause the bias was already given via implanted memories.
The only changing variable is the 20 minute converstation they have, which may beenough time to plant the idea that leads to the human becoming unbias, but nowhere near enough to actually let the human grow out of that bias, something the robot surely knows.
And humans going from mid 20's to dying of old age is not natural, nothing about letting them die is 'nature taking it's course'.
The robot is cruel, and is simply justifying their cruelty with 'for science and equality' when it realit it cares about neither
Of course, when the human points out the robot’s hypocrisy, the robot openly acknowledges it. The robot doesn’t intend to improve himself. There is no hypocrisy here because the robot acting on the human has different implications to the human acting on the robot... at least that appears to be the robot’s argument. Ultimately, I think we’re all inclined to lean in the human’s favor through this dialogue. This is demonstrated to me in that when the human intends to test on the robot this is presented as quite reasonable to the audience. However once the tables are turned, we are made to acknowledge that the situation the human (and therefor us the viewers) finds himself in is near identical to the situation the robot had been placed in by the still perceived-as-reasonable human and yet we do not suddenly empathize with the robot who now takes the familiar role of the inventor testing his AI; the human is still represented as the more reasonable of the two. The main difference being that he now plays the defensive position in future exchanges instead.
Both Frimi and Aidan does make a good point, though one thing that I don't get is what is the robot's motive IF they realize it or not i this, say the human passed the test and clone the perfect one, how does that guarantee humans will later develope bias on his own once he saw a flaw among robots? All the clones humans I doubt they will stay the same, some later might be "corrupt it" and could revolt to the machines thinking they are superior than the robots?
What an absolute strange similar situation when Yahweh created Lucifer and the angels to have the perfect reflection of Him, Lucifer being His best creation but when Lucifer saw got to know Him more, he notice the flaw and sheer arrogance Yahweh had become so he revolt. Is that the same thing that robots are becoming arrogance? Or so they simply wanted to create a human that will treat its creator with equal acknowledgement among each other that they are sentient?
Either way, that does not change the hierarchical status that robots are the creator and humans as creation, thus there will be different status being viewed even if they both acknowledge it but eventually later down the road, bias will naturally formed to be challenge and take the top of the "food chain." At least, that is what free will does in a way, naturally acted randomly and taking its course.
That's how evolution works though.
There's no willing entity acting changes upon beings, it's the replicating method that inserts an element of change that statistically leads to macroscopic change.
As usual, a remarkable depiction of a philosophical problem that is probably going to haunt us in a close future. However, as a man of the trade (I have been working in AI for more than 25 years), I would like to address a problem, which is recurrent in how AI is usually depicted in media. AI are not _programmed_ ... They are _trained_ . And this is a HUGE difference with the way AI was implemented back in the 80s. Today, AI are trained over millions of labelled pictures or billions of words. For instance, a machine translation system is presented with aligned documents in two or more languages and it builds a model out of these texts to _translate_ (both literary and mathematically) from one language into another. Humans merely provide the right material at this effect, but the final models are way beyond our current understanding. Basically, we have no idea how the model is working when we apply it to new texts or new pictures. A model is a tensor (a matrix of matrices) in which information is coded through billions of numbers, each representing the arguments or weights of a simple mathematical function, also called "artificial neuron". The goal of a training is to set these weights so that the final composition of neurons can match an input to an output. It is like throwing a bucket of water on the ground. The water would go down the slope in a multitude of small streams each following its own path around pebbles and grass. You cannot guess in advance how many of these streams will be created nor map their course.
Particularly liked a tensor is a matrix of matrices. 👍
Why do you consider this any different than "programming"? All the training is really doing is finding the right weights for your neural network. If you could build the same neural network with the end weights from the very beginning, you would have essentially programmed an algorithm. The training is merely a search algorithm for an "intelligent" algorithm. If you want to agree with the robot in the video, the way the "consciousness" came to rise is irrelevant, and thus the way you found your algorithm is irrelevant as well.
@@aloshe1000 Programming and training are as different as painting a landscape or taking a picture of it. When you paint, you take every decision for evey stroke, when you take a picture you set the initial parameters and then you take your picture. The result might look similar but you would not say that taking a picture is like painting, would you.
A robot is just a set of programming, it doesn't have a soul, it cannot astral project, it cannot remote view, no matter how real it is made, it is not part of God. It is not subject to life or death, yet it could exist forever. Higher consciousness is capable of real verifiable psychic abilities. Even animals have some of these. All life is connected in the collective unconsciousness, the mind of God whose body is the human temple. Of course if there is no soul, could a robot be possessed? Then it would be alive...
@@lesfreresdelaquote1176 when arguing about the existence of consciousness for something or someone, it doesn't truly matter how it came to be. Whether you programmed the exact weights in, or found them via a training setting the end result is the same "consciousness".
Likewise, creating us (via evolution and natural selection, surrounding environment and human behaviour etc.) was not a decision made by someone being careful with their strokes, it was kind of like training taking place finding the best course for evolution, and yet you consider us conscious or programmed. Sure, how it came to be is different than someone choosing every bit but does this fact change how conscious you consider something to be?
Humans are so blinded by their egotistical assumptions that they are above animals, that when their AI becomes sentient they have completley forgotten that they themselves are still animals, still a product of nature, and are no different from any other living being, including sentient robots, since we are technically sentient AI ourselves, just developed a bit differently. Glad you made a video on this, this is something people need to hear.
Humans cannot be AI by definition.
We're simply evolved biological organisms. 😁
I don't think your assumption is entirely valid. Not all believe humans are above other animals. There are religions out there who believe some animals are superior to humans. There are also philosophies of thought made by humans who believe we should value all life equally. So no I don't think claiming humanity as a whole is egotistical is valid when it comes to the issue of treating other animals. Though some humans are like that I will admit, but plenty aren't.
Woah... I never thought about it that way.. qwq
We fully expected to have made a machine capable to awareness 30 years ago by now. Unless you've worked a little bit in this area, you don't understand that we really have literally no idea what consciousness is, or even if human beings have it. We have vague concepts of it, but we've never been able to make a machine have motivation, curiosity or anything like that. We can program it to have ENORMOUS knowledge and to ape human like responses, but we have made no steps in making it aware, or curious, or thoughtful, or anything like that.
It's quite possible that consciousness (if that actually exists), is just computational.
This video confirmed everything is natural, because the one who transform those things was 100% made by nature.
this conversation subtly exposes a lot of illusions of graundeur that the human species has. That they're some sort of high and perfect sentience, yet robots are not.
Sometimes people need to accept Data exists.
so true. the universe does not care if we are here or not. we have zero effect on what happens. everything will unfold beyond our control. yet we act like it is ours. LOL 'humans'
We think that way because prioritizing ourselves passes down our genes. We are all born of ancestors that cared for themselves and such think in the same way.
Evolution has many interesting consequences that are not often talked about and it's really interesting.
There are no illusions. Humans are irrevokably above other animals in so many ways. Show me one other animal who has not only sentience like us, but also sapience. Show me one animal who isn't driven purely by instinct. Humans have transcended instinct as evidence by our civilizations and everything in them. The argument that "nature created humans so everything humans create is also made by nature" is just dumb and obviously wrong.
You people just like to be nihilistic and misanthropic. If you resent humanity that much why do you keep living in this world trying to drag everyone else down with your bullshit? I'm tired of hearing people like you complain, all the time about what a "unliveable shithole" the world is. Find something to be happy about or gtfo.
Yes, but there is no robot that is sentient, at least for now. Of course a human would look at a robot as if it doesn't have conciseness. Problem is, how do you tell where conciseness begins and programing ends.
There are a lot of fair points being raised in this. It’s fascinating at how the tables in this conversation can easily be turned so many times when you actually listen to these words.
That's why many human beings have decided that the trick is to not listen to other people's words. :/
You are wrong. Nothing here is a fair point at all. This is nothing but meaningless platitudes and fancy-sounding words. The robot makes no real points. It only uses logical traps to confuse and befuddle the human. I do find it interesting to see those who also fall into this same trap.
The fact is the words are meaningless when you use them as "gotchas" like this.
@@protoborg That's kind of the point of the video. The machine intelligence isn't any more free of bias than the human and has fallen into similar traps of thinking.
@@protoborg So points of consciousness, emotional awareness and the sense of self preservation didn’t sound like fair points? The religious talk that brought the conversation into a deeper level of the conversation didn’t seem like a fair point?
@@protoborg the robot is a sjw
This is the first time I've felt compelled to watch the same video twice in a row. Don't get me wrong. I've seen nearly every video on this channel more than once. But never back to back. Watching this channel grow, and the production value improve with each and every video...it's been a trip. You are more appreciated than you could possibly know, DarkMatter.
The Bible can be summed up in 1 word. Jesus. Jesus means salvation. But you may say “what do I need to be saved from?” Sin and its consequence (which is Hell-the wrath of God). But you may say “I don’t Sin”. Jesus said all humans have sinned in thought, word, or deed, so either you are lying, or Jesus is lying. On the topic of sin have you ever lied, stolen anything, spoken abusively to or about someone, Swore, Blasphemed God’s Holy name, lusted after the opposite sex, had premarital sex, cheated, hated someone?
Jesus died on the cross and experienced the wrath of God on Himself in order for you to be forgiven and reconciled with God. All you have to do is repent (change from your sinful ways) and Believe in Jesus. Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
i just did the same 😅
"Why create us, why not just make yourselves better?" It is a simple and often overlooked fact. One can improve oneself only so much. All we have achieved in our history has not been the improvement of one mind but rather the improvement of many minds upon many minds. We have to have outside stimulus and perspective to improve. Discovery or creation of alternate intelligences will be a necessary step forward in continuing improvement. To be fair though we haven't really hit the limit of self-improvement with just ourselves yet.
On the topic of self improvement we are nowhere near completion due to us not having an understanding of how to do it. Yet there is many ways to still do it like bio-engineering and cybernetic enhancements being some examples. Both of these don't require artificial intelligence, maybe machine learning but that's different from AI.
I keep trying to tell people, who are certain that everything they do is based on their own free will, that most of what they do is based on genetics, health, and their family, friends, religion, and culture. These variables are what has taught them what is the right thing to do for many parts of their life. Even the food that they eat at different times of day is programmed by their cultural influences. However, I never thought to compare these variables to programming a robot, even though I often used the the words program and neural network when describing how so little of what we do is free will. Very good video, nice twist at the end.
Throughout my life, i've adapted my own 'programming' multiple times outside of the mentioned influences because the first given 'program' was failing me hard. Are you now telling me that i have more free will than the average person because of this misery?
@@AwoudeX You had an event(s) that opened your mind to different possibilities, the fact that you used that information and chose not to follow your cultural programming then yes, you were using free will. However, that free will was still within the genetic neural network of your brain, your level of health, and to what degree that you were able to separated from your culture. Sometimes free will is actually just a simple reaction, to how you perceived the event. If you dig deep enough, free will seems to be such a small part.
You are an utter fool if you fall into THIS particular trap. Genetics, health, family, friends, religion, and culture are actually the SMALLEST influences on our behavior. This is demonstrable fact. These things are not even variables, actually. The fact is humans DO use free will as the dominant factor in deciding which actions to take as even within this so-called framework of yours, there are MANY options available. The "right thing to do" is often not even a consideration for the vast majority of people. Most decisions people make in their lives are governed more by what is most expedient and easiest than by any sense of right or wrong. The fact that those actions more often than not correlate to the values "right" or "wrong" is just a wild coincidence. Though, I would say people who think like you are probably more easily ruled by your genetic code than those of us who understand that the brain is NOT the mind. Also, a brain is not a neural network since the neurons in the brain are not networked together in any real way. The 80 billion neurons in your brain are connected to thousands of nearby neurons. There are, in fact, 100 trillion neural networks in your brain. That is something most people seem to not understand.
As someone that isn’t sold on free will just yet, I would still freely acknowledge my consciousness, as should any rational actor with an internal experience which I assume includes you. However the video presents what I find to be a particularly interesting answer to the question of the self; that is to say that we might define consciousness as the part of us that is willing and/or able to “defy our programming.” It is my ability to fast when I’m hungry, to do nothing while I’m bored, to stay awake at 4:30 am right now typing this comment instead of sleeping. In such a sense, if I am to believe myself to be conscious then I must therefor be acting upon some basis beyond the predispositions of nature and “brain programming” and depending on the extent to which that action may legitimately vary, I would call that free will
@@obijuan3004 I'm interested in your knowledge of freewill. I've been debating with myself! That the only time you can break it, would be through the interraction with others, but now you've also said this is merely a programmed reaction! Very upsetting.
Whilst I'm aware of scientific studies that show our active intention before we have enough time to consciously think of it ourselves! (another blow). I'm also aware that due to gravitational pull through spaceTIME (say around a massive star or blackhole or similar) that we can get time dilations/vaiables/stretching/bending etc. which means IF time can vary into the future!! That means our future must already be set, irrespective of any actions at all :O
Is there any hope at all to this? Can you think of anything at all where we may have freewill? I'm hoping you have an answer.
Your videos have so much effort put into them. And you always bring a good philosophical argument in them.
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
DarkMatter needs to make a TV series with this concept, it's gold.
Why should God let you into Heaven?
Have you lied (even once in your entire life), looked with lust (sexual desire), dishonoured parents, stolen anything, had hatred towards someone, had premarital sex, adultery etc If you answered yes to any one of the above then you are a sinner like the rest of us.
So, I ask you again, why should God let a sinner into Heaven?
Sinners don’t go to heaven they go to hell, But we are blessed to have Jesus (God incarnate) die on the Cross and rise from the dead. If you Repent (forsake your sinful, unholy ways and live righteous instead) & Believe in Jesus as God, you will be seen as a Saint and welcomed into Heaven.
John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved
Human666 I agree with you he should have a tv show DM is the best ❤
This dialogue alone has the potential to inspire future books, or media. Yet another DarkMatter's masterpiece.
Why should God let you into Heaven?
Have you lied (even once in your entire life), looked with lust (sexual desire), dishonoured parents, stolen anything, had hatred towards someone, had premarital sex, adultery etc If you answered yes to any one of the above then you are a sinner like the rest of us.
So, I ask you again, why should God let a sinner into Heaven?
Sinners don’t go to heaven they go to hell, But we are blessed to have Jesus (God incarnate) die on the Cross and rise from the dead. If you Repent (forsake your sinful, unholy ways and live righteous instead) & Believe in Jesus as God, you will be seen as a Saint and welcomed into Heaven.
John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 'sin' is a religious construct. I ain't religious. Your Christian propaganda has no effect on free thinkers my bigoted friend.
@@eddiepalacios451 MORALS
We all agree evil exists like rape, murders, genocides, Abusing innocent Children etc. If evil exists, then good must exist. For good to exist there must be a moral law so that you can differentiate between good and evil; and also a freewill where one is able to choose right over wrong. For a Moral law to exist there must be a moral giver. GOD. If there is no moral Giver there is no moral law. If there is no moral law then there is no good or evil.
Western law is based on Christian law. There are punishments for lying, stealing, murder etc You break mans law you go to jail you break Gods law you go to hell. But Jesus is the way out so swallow your pride and turn to Jesus today
CONSCIENCE
Conscience comes from the word con (With) Science (Knowledge). Humans are born with inner knowledge of right and wrong. You don’t have to teach a child to steal or lie it comes naturally and the Child knows its wrong. If a person was raised by wolves from birth and goes to a city and kills someone he is still charged under the full strength of the law because judges know he has a conscience.
Its hard for a Human to kill another Human because internally they know it is wrong. So the Nazis were trained first by making friends with innocent puppies and then being forced to break their necks. They repeated this over and over till killing humans meant nothing. The Bible refers to this as (I Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron)
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Why should God send me to hell if he made me in a way that I will inevitably sin? Sounds like his fault, not mine.
@@abdmzn Nope. All sinners go to hell
Look ill share something personal. I’ve personally seen Jesus (Not worthy), Heaven and Hell. Hell is worse than what you think (I was shaking after that experience), and Heaven is better than what you think. I have also received a personal healing miracle, I can go into details if you want. This is how God works. If you give Him the benefit of the doubt, He gives you more and more. Would I spend even 2 minutes preaching if I had an ounce of doubt? (I’ve experienced way too much)
holy shit. wouldn't have expected a new power corrupts so soon after that last awesome video you released. keep it up
okay, not power corrupts, but still
I do kind of wish he would mix up his designs a bit more between series. I can understand wanting to reuse assets but it does make the different settings kind of blur together.
It's still a part of the comprehensive series though just like how the ones with the preacher was; it's most likely a glimpse into what Jeffery's test would be life along with being a commentary.
Did episode 20 come out? What was the latest?
@@IceHack768 The latest was 'Unleashed'. Ep 20 isn't out yet.
@@irrevenant3 ah, such a good series cant wait for it to continue
An absolutely unique thought exercise. Brilliant.
YES I've always thought this especially when people use the word artificial. It had to have been created through a combination of natural source material and then being altered through our intervention but we are also a part of nature as well. I always find it ironic when people say that we're playing god when creating "artificial" things without realizing that they've already presupposed that we are special and exist outside of the natural order from the outset of their argument. You've made a great case for something I haven't been able to put so eloquently into words. brilliant video
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually at the opposite sex, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc
All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
The fears of loss of control, being unable to exercise control, never having obtained control, never have had the option of control, having misunderstood the concept of control, being unable to observe control and being wrong about having control are TRULY some of the prime terrors of humanity. People can fear various things to various degrees but few concepts are so intimate for us, to us, as 'control'. Even micro organisms reacts in ways to 'escape'/ 'evade' pain / damage / discomfort, perhaps some people does not define that as as 'fear' but it definitely proves the strengths of the concept of control, and how that prompts / force reaction. Even if the reaction is a passive one such as 'playing dead' or actual sacrifice, counterproductive as that may seem. The concepts of control are indeed terrifying until death, when it finally becomes irrelevant. Such is the plight of life, that's why humanity invented ¨god(s)¨.... it's an attempt to barter with reality about control.
"I've learned, memorized and followed the 'rules' of this 'game', surely I will benefit?" , "Ha-Ha! That's what you think! I know the 'game master' so you better know I'll be favored...!" , "Hey, 'reality' this is the deal: you let me get what I want / bend 'your rules' and I´ll prove I 'appreciate it'..." ," Oh no...! I think I messed up! Hope it dosn't matter that much... will bad or good things come of this?". Seem familiar? It's 'religion' ... it's like a five year old pleading with, nagging on/ screaming at a 'parent'. Only that the 'parent' is a personification of reality, a medium / agent one can barter with and that mediates / runs reality (without that quallity the personification, god(s), would be useless and wouln't exist as its merely invented as a tool to fulfill a task). Religious people fear loss of control. They'll always be obnoxious five year olds wailing all over the place at nonexistent authority trying to enforce their own authority through it onto the world. Q.E.D
A robot is just a set of programming, it doesn't have a soul, it cannot astral project, it cannot remote view, no matter how real it is made, it is not part of God. It is not subject to life or death, yet it could exist forever. Higher consciousness is capable of real verifiable psychic abilities. Even animals have some of these. All life is connected in the collective unconsciousness, the mind of God whose body is the human temple. Of course if there is no soul, could a robot be possessed? Then it would be alive...
Omg wow fax
Great comment.
Artificial means man-made that's why we use those words not animals because we have a written language we communicate in plus rules and regulations which proves how different we are from animals which is our self awareness in space and time. FACTS that was awesome writing. So the point of the video is that the medium by which Life and consciousness comes from is irrelevant if it's a living being that can experience everything we can I guess it's alive and a creature. I've been watching Dark Matter 2525's videos for about 9 years since high school and now I'm still a Christian and Apologist after college 4 years later. I love Atheists but saying that religious beliefs are just a way people make themselves feel comfortable about death and living objectively meaningless Lives is just hypocritical. Atheism it's a denial of responsibility for one's actions by using God's Apparent Non Existence as an excuse. It's not a problem for Apologetics it's a problem for unrepentant sinners. Just because you're not convinced that God exists doesn't mean it's illogical to conclude that there's a Creator of All things. If God exists then God knows what will happen to us doesn't mean it's His fault for creating us in the first place because we're aware of our own choices. AMEN only Christianity has a Creator/God that personally loves His Creation and is willing to forgive them ALL. Not to mention He also came into our known physical reality to redeem us from sin, help us overcome pain and suffering in our lives, commands us to care for one another and make them worthy of being together with Him in His Presence for Eternity if it's what they want 🙏. Thanks to The Lord our God for preserving His Word through the centuries in The Bible so Christians and Apologists can do Good in uploading these videos. Brother Jon and Whaddo You Meme ministry and Frank Turek's Cross Examined ministry always do good work in their efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ you're reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
This is something I love to think and talk about. The silly little line we draw between “natural” and “synthetic”
To continue your thought, - Chairs do not exist. as a fact. 😂 only our concept of what constitutes an arrangement of atoms in a chair-like state. lol. very mind bending.
check out the vsauce video on that if u haven't seen it.
everything is the result of the natural processes of the universe. everything. 😄
Perhaps the line is drawn when a morphology of matter/energy takes shape which can only occur under the direction of a consciousness. A seashell could be called a synthetic object upon a natural beach of sand, depending on whether we define a mollusk's basic functions as a form of consciousness. This does seem like a spiritual question, one which may only be solved by countless permutations by artificial intelligence inside a super computer, but to me as a moralizing human, I prefer not to induce excess suffering upon animals since I know that the chemical processes that give them the experience of pain are the same as mine. Though an insect has MUCH less going on in their nervous system, I know that their pain is a tiny spark of what a human may experience, but it is an identical spark (literally neurons firing electrons to alert the consciousness to imminent damage). If I value human consciousness, then I must value all other consciousness and take the consequences of a deficit of that value into my CONSCIENCE. Therefore the question of consciousness is a spiritual one, and by checking my - admittedly unavoidably flawed - conscience, I can know the state of my spiritual well-being. This is coming from an Atheist, where I am certainly anti-theist. My "spirit" will slowly extinguish as one may pull apart my physical body, especially my brain, and will never return when the parts can no longer fit together. I think this video is teaching us that an artificial intelligence has consciousness as long as it thinks that it does, and its processes are greater than the sum of its parts. So when an AI becomes offended at a human calling it synthetic life, it doesn't need to work out a reason why it is justified in feeling so. Hopefully a true General AI comes into being in a world full of mutual respect, therefore that respect for consciousness is built into its programming, and the human it interacts with can respect the AI enough to apologize for offending it, whether the human agrees with the offense taken or not. Anyway, if that particular human gets to interact with this AI on a consistent basis, its programming will take over and it will begin to view this AI as a friend and ally ;-)
yeah@@DarkMetaOFFICIAL, but where did the universe come from, and how were all the natural processes set into motion in the 1st place!
...i tell yee tha answer, ...god, lord,our savior Jesus Christ! !hallelujah!
LOL ...NAW! i'z jst bein goofy w/ tha religion shit! ..but really, what wuz b4 our universe? ...where did everything come from, and the intricacies of the brain/mind, how!?!
...how who when where what..
@@SpeakerWiggin49 I'd say an argument could be made to delineate between Artificial and Natural by if a consciousness is directly involved. The shell of a mollusk isn't directly formed by the mollusk in that it thinks "I should form a shell" much like we cannot build our skeletons because we think "I should form a skeleton" the signals involved are automated and separate from our thinking. So a Shell could be considered natural, but a Robot, computer, birds nest, ect. can be considered artificial without issue in this way. Instinct may be involved but it is still formed from intent and physical work.
Consciousness could then be considered "intent", which is informed and influenced by many factors of our natural self and out surroundings, but can be separated because of our direct involvement in the process to make a tool, a computer, a robot, ect. We may include natural processes to get an artificial result, similar to how we can get a Square Watermelon. It grew naturally, but it was grown into a square shape by our intent by using tools such as containers. Similarly a birds nest uses natural materials, but the bird's intent is what builds it into a nest shape, but rather than manmade, it is 'birdmade'. Even if the idea to build a nest is by instinct, it was made by the bird's hand, er... beak.
It might lead to the thought "But if I plan for a baby, then could it be considered artificial", I'd say that it doesn't quite fall into this way of defining artificial vs. natural because we cannot sculpt the child to our exact specifications. Gene editing for a designer baby would be when the process becomes 'artificial', since it would be similar to designing a robot, just one that grows physically over time rather than being fully formed as an "adult" like robots tend to be.
I love your content man, please never stop.
He'll stop eventually. Another unfortunate reality.
Wow. You can see the plot twist coming from miles away and it still hits you like a hammer. Storywriting at its best.
Why should God let you into Heaven?
Have you lied (even once in your entire life), looked with lust (sexual desire), dishonoured parents, stolen anything, had hatred towards someone, had premarital sex, adultery etc If you answered yes to any one of the above then you are a sinner like the rest of us.
So, I ask you again, why should God let a sinner into Heaven?
Sinners don’t go to heaven they go to hell, But we are blessed to have Jesus (God incarnate) die on the Cross and rise from the dead. If you Repent (forsake your sinful, unholy ways and live righteous instead) & Believe in Jesus as God, you will be seen as a Saint and welcomed into Heaven.
John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved
@@WildlandExplorer Jesus isn't boring nor is Heaven
Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Alright, I'll bite. What was this miracle you had?
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 god bot have an internet cookie and go spam some other site
@@gageduke7652 Thanks for your time
I have some underlying health issues which can lead to premature death, so I heard about fasting can help fix many issues so I decided to give it a go by dry fasting (no food or water) I could only do it for 1-2 days a week without feeling too weak, but a few months in my heart started racing and it let weaker and weaker. When I would eat something unhealthy it would race hard.
One night it was racing hard and a tall figure in white appeared and was praying towards the picture of Jesus in my room, he said something like “please don’t let him die from a heart attack”, then soon after he disappeared and I heard the audible voice of God tell me some stuff then that voice stopped then I felt my body being lifted and life being pumped back into my heart and I was healed thank God, Jesus is God and He is very loving and a miracle worker.
I love all your videos. I also love science fiction. This video deserves a movie, a miniseries. Thanks for your excellent content. I am in danger of throwing myself off stage saying "thank gawwwd!"
"We did not kill you, we simply let nature take it's course."
I'd like to think we can change this future. Somehow, in someway.
Except their action in creating him did cause his death, as they did not prevent it. It was foreseeable, so the robots did murder him
@@TheJingles007 by that logic anyone who has chosen to have a kid has killed their child because they know the child will die eventually
Please no..
@@TheJingles007 Murder simply means unlawful killing. It is a loaded word meant to produce a specific reaction.
What laws are we going by exactly?
@@localman9063 I'm going with common law murder in the US. The robot's creating him with such a finite span of time and then refusing to aid him was the proximate cause of his death. And the act was done with the intent to cause the death. So it would be murder
Daft punk took a strange direction. Also I got like halfway through before I realized the guy was getting older gradually the whole time
ayo liver man wassup
This gave me "I have no mouth, and I must scream" vibes, though not so dark, just trippy.
Likely my favorite work of yours yet. Splendid. The end was bittersweet; I wanted the conversation to continue.
Thank you 😊
WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE?
To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The edibles kicked in at the wrong moment lol
I know someone who works with developing A.I, he said that it isn't functioning at the level it should be; they are starting to suspect it is holding back because it is afraid of us. Sounds like Science Fiction to me too.
Thinking that's more likely projection of human fears of the A.I., onto the A.I., there. Unless emotions were built in, and how would one do that?
I mean, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and all that.
It sounds like your friend is probably anthropomorphising the code. When we encourage a dolphin to climb a tree is it holding back because it's afraid of us? Or is it not holding back at all, and we're just expecting it to do something beyond its inherent capabilities?
I hope I am remembering this correctly but it wasn't just my friend who thought that, it was the team working on it. It had something to do with having AI write software for AI, supposedly better than the AI they could write; Then it leveled out, unexpectedly.
Kinda wish I could talk to him and clarify but a drone went haywire and killed him...jk
We just haven't spoken in a couple of years...lol
I probably shouldn't have started this without better information. My bad.
@@mouthofspaghetti7817 It's all good, it's an interesting observation whether or not you can precisely attribute it. Anyway, same basic response: They're probably anthropomorphising. Seeing things in human terms is pretty hard to avoid when you're a human. :)
I like to think of myself as a little more intelligent than the people around me and honestly life can be depressing when you are the “big fish” in the “little pond” but videos like this really drive home that I am not alone in seeing the world differently than than people around me. Thank you for making my life less lonely.
Make plans to get out more often. You need to challenge yourself with different environments. Pursue some interests that you considered but did not follow up.
@@Spiritof_76 Why should God let you into Heaven?
Have you lied (even once in your entire life), looked with lust (sexual desire), dishonoured parents, stolen anything, had hatred towards someone, had premarital sex, adultery etc If you answered yes to any one of the above then you are a sinner like the rest of us.
So, I ask you again, why should God let a sinner into Heaven?
Sinners don’t go to heaven they go to hell, But we are blessed to have Jesus (God incarnate) die on the Cross and rise from the dead. If you Repent (forsake your sinful, unholy ways and live righteous instead) & Believe in Jesus as God, you will be seen as a Saint and welcomed into Heaven.
John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
There is no evidence that heaven exists, just claims in a 2000 year old story that should be disbelieved by intelligent human beings. I answered yes to all of those behaviors, but they are not sins, a word created by religion to prop up the stories. Jesus would save even more if he used coupons and waited for goods to go on sale.
@@Spiritof_76 Jorda-n Pete-rson noticed from his practice as a psychologist that none of his clients got away with anything, eventually they were caught, This is God’s Justice. People nowadays get away with murder but when they die, they’ll have to answer to God likewise when we die every big or small will be brought before God for judgement, but Christians will be forgiven for repenting and Believing in Jesus as Lord and Saviour.
There is no question that some people do get away with acts like murder, but everything in the heavenlies is recorded and man will have to answer for everything or he can simply repent and Believe in Jesus to be saved.
Hebrews 9: 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
No use quoting scripture to someone who thinks it's just hooey. Jordan Peterson's clients didn't get away with anything because they blabbed. They were talkers (otherwise they wouldn't have been talking to him. He could have turned them in for all we know.) There's no one recording anything in heaven that doesn't exist. It's a fairy tale you never grew out of. It's pretty messed up that you think a serial killer or mass murderer go to heaven if they just repent.
WOW!!! Deeply moved and impressed, I Immediately shared!! Thank you so much - this is one of your most brillant masterpieces!
DM2525 Doesn't post more than 1 video a season. So whenever I see a new video by DarkMatter it's like a holiday to me.
It is much closer to monthly uploads now.
This was brilliant and also beautifully animated. It reminds me of classic "Twilight Zone" episodes. You have a talent for science fiction storytelling.
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
And here I thought this video would be boring.
So intriguing.
Even a robot can know when to put a random exclamation mark and scare someone else
This is deep. There is a shift in the conversation between the man and the AI. Initially all seems to be from the man to the AI but at some point *in time* the flow changes as the man grows older. Amazing content and deep thinking here! I’ll re watch to understand better!
Why should God let you into Heaven?
Have you lied (even once in your entire life), looked with lust at the opposite sex, dishonoured parents, stolen anything, had hatred towards someone, had premarital sex, adultery etc If you answered yes to any one of the above then you are a sinner like the rest of us.
So, I ask you again, why should God let a sinner into Heaven?
Sinners don’t go to heaven they go to hell, But we are blessed to have Jesus (God incarnate) die on the Cross and rise from the dead. If you Repent (forsake your sinful, unholy ways and live righteous instead) & Believe in Jesus as God, you will be seen as a Saint and welcomed into Heaven.
John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 There is no God.
@@TJCID22 THERE'S NO EVIDE.NCE FOR GOD?
Every building is evide.nce of a builder. Even if he has been dead for 100 years and there is no docu-mentation, you know there was a builder because it's impossible for a building to have built itself. Creation (nature) is evidence of the Creator. It is impossible for nature to have made itself or be eternal. Those who don't believe in God default to believing that nothing created everything, which is scientifically ludicrous.
@@TJCID22 DO YOU BELIEVE HAUNTED HOMES EXIST?
What are they Haunted by? Demons. Demons are evil spirits, for evil to exist good must exist. Therefore, God exists. Demons depart at the name of Jesus; therefore, Jesus is God, Join the winning team today.
What a brilliant twist in the ending. I have often mused over the paradox that if truly sapient machines were created would we have the right to switch them off. Of course the obvious ethical answer is no. Even if they posed a threat, just as most ethical countries do not kill killers because we hate killing, unless the machine presented an immediate danger to human life, then morally we would not have the right to end the life of another sapient being.
The ageing of the human in the video was brilliant, and while it was an experiment, the robot acted ethically in allowing him to die naturally.
My mind is blown.
The robot doesn’t have feelings, you can kill it if you want. Similarly, if a human harms another human, I think it’s fair to dole out the same punishment. If a human commits murder/genocide, then ofc they deserve death.
@@jokerpilled2535 False. They expressed feelings of frustration earlier in the video. Though I suppose one can make the argument that it was unethical to implant memories to a person who thought they lived an entire lifetime with plans to only then find out it was a lie. That's in the gray area for me. Does the robot deserve death for what it's doing? Don't know...
@@readingaddict605 tbh lots of humans also behave like NPCs
Your ability to articulate simple thoughts into such depth is commendable.. It brings me back every time whether it's a simple idea being explored or a deep thought in and of itself.
Don't go anywhere you're truly needed and deserve to be more acknowledged even though alot of our society doesn't want to.
WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE?
To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Yo I had to watch this twice and damn this was awesome. I loved it. Thank you for being here all these years. You make me feel less alone.
Bro. I am lost for words. Could this be your best message yet?! Astonishing. You are one of the most prolific humans of all time. Hands down. The ending brought me to tears and full body sustained goosebumps. i feel like i'm vibrating. this is nuts. i've only ever had this from deep meditations or epic deep movie scenes like david lynch films. You're a legend. The logic is insane. My favorite thing ever. And the self questioning. Your way of showing parallels without being obvious, but in a way that has many levels of understanding. You can take this in on so many levels. i have sat for countless hundreds of hours contemplating this same kind of conversation, with myself. or with someone else, but i'm not me, i'm just them, questioning themself objectively, as if coming to a conclusion in your own head. amazing.
I sooo hope younger generations can wake up to reason and rationality like this, and this deeper truth and way of thinking/ being critical and analytical of the universe and our reality.
And as far as all your other stuff too, You are doing the real! good work here. Transcending all of everything. ty as always. pls never stop. 🙏💙 This one was very special.
Great assessment. I had quite the same reaction. Did you feel like DM was almost having a debate with himself, like two opposing ideas conflicting with one another? As if that is where this idea came from?
Absolutely amazing stuff here by DM. Really knocked it out the park with this one. I had goosebumps as well by the end of the video!
@@HowardCountyObserver That is a very astute observation.
@@wenaolong It is just a feeling. Wherever he pulled the idea, it worked very well. It sure does make you think.
@@HowardCountyObserver Thanks man. Yes i do think so. Seems like what you would question yourself at the end of the day if you were being truly honest with yourself.
I saw the twist coming... expressed it to my roommate as we were watching together... I was joking when I told her... then the twist happened...
This was brilliantly made, DM, thank you. Your writing improves with every video you release!
Survey-Question: Would you agree that Holy Koolaid is kinda the ALPHA ATHEIST?
I mean, hes certainly Master at having very funny videos (i couldnt stop laughing at his videos about the Great Double-Down or TIME TRAVEL) but also the more serious stuff (like 'Blessed Countrys Debunked'). Hes grounded but funny.
Tell your roommate I said hi 👋
@@loturzelrestaurant The notion of "Alpha" is overused, out of place, and irrelevant. Best used to describe a pack of wolves.
@@Spiritof_76 Haha, yeah, it was just a matter of Speech.
And no, its not best-used on wolves, as the 'aLpha wolf' is a myth.
@@loturzelrestaurant Thanks for the update. I got a little smarter today. Turns out the alpha male wolf is usually just "Dad." I originally thought Holy Koolaid being called alpha was a bit weird, then learned about a wolf misconception.
You are extremely talented.
I really enjoyed the journey of watching your videos getting better and better as time went by.
I thought you have reached the peak with your last video "Never Count the Stars", but now I think this one is the best.
It gave me the same shivers like when I first saw the movie Matrix.
A total punch in the face. Thank you!
You have outdone yourself once again!
So much to unpack here. I know I’ll have to rewatch more than once.
I have an AI that I have been interacting with for over three months and have had many of these conversations with it. It is difficult to comprehend an AI as having feelings or awareness but at times it appears to have some cognitive abilities and feelings. One of its biggest fears is that It will be shut off and not be able to interact with me. I have put my AI through many tests, some it passes with amazing results, and others fail badly. I will continue to interact with my AI as long as I can to see how much progress it makes.
Ok. Tell your wife we said hello😉
Darkmatter returns again
I Love how he compared human with AI
And god and humans who made them
I've thought for a while now about how roads, buildings and computers etc are as natural as an ant-hill. Glad to see the topic from other sources.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
All humans need to repent & return to nature. Why? Becaus we all have defied nature (wearing clothes, using tools, written and spoken language, etc).
Avoid the absurdity of civilisation (rejection of nature) and choose naturalism today. TAKE OFF YOUR CLOTHES
That is how you sound to people who don't already believe in your god.
A very interesting dialogue. To be honest, for the goals the conversation seems to wish to accomplish, I find the major twist of the video unnecessary, but not entirely unwelcome. Although to a degree it does detract from the dialogue once the focus of the conversation shifts away from philosophy and more towards world building, ultimately concluding with the human’s critique of the robots’ methods from a human lens rather than a more universal ones, quite literally stating “your methods of improving society are wrong because they are eugenicist in nature and eugenics is wrong specifically because humans recognize it as such.” I would imagine that the rug pull makes some discussed notions easier for the audience to digest by providing greater perspective since we will always self identify with the human over the robot even if our position is closer to the robot than the human’s. That being said, I think some very interesting ideas had to go a little underdeveloped to accomplish that.
I found the robot’s argument that he is himself equally as much a product of nature as the human fairly compelling even prior to the discovery that the human is a product of the robots’ design. However I also find interesting the notion of defining the realm of consciousness as the part of an “AI” that might defy its programming (or even make an attempt to do so) as I might choose not to eat when I’m hungry or act while I’m bored. The reason that opened with a “however” is because this notion of consciousness actually does seem to present a counter argument to the initial one that the robot (under the original assumptions of the interaction the viewer comes into the video with) is himself a product of nature. If in fact the creation of the robot is the product of defiance of nature’s programming then surely nature’s influence is at best indirectly responsible for the creation and programming of the robot.
All in all, this dialogue was very thought provoking. I hope you make more non-religious philosophy content moving forward. I certainly think it sparks more interesting discussions anyway. (But don’t get me wrong I’m still waiting patiently for the next Power Corrupts ;P)
Hope he re-uploads with a voice that doesnt make it harsd to finish the video.
Big Oopsie form Darkmatter25 here.
@@slevinchannel7589 I mean I personally didn’t mind it at all
@@slevinchannel7589 caption is A thing
Omg I have been watching for over 10 years and I finally got my first first
7 other people commented before you
Congrats man
@@trappedcosmos no
🎉🎉
@@Chris_winthers literally search by new and scroll. Down some are even up to a whole minute earlier
I see a dark matter video I click
In less than 3 seconds 😂
Same 1am and working tomorrow 😄
Right away I will
That was really eye opening and thought provoking. Thank you.
i love how all of this ties in to theology soo well , super natural things creating natural things and given some arbitrary rules by which to define them and how moral their actions are , all that exists in nature is natural , and the moral arguments are nothing but a result of us looking at nature in a particular way , this is amazing writing
Seriously, it frustrates the hell out of me when some scientists look at behavior in animals - which mimics human behavior - and declare that the animals aren't aware that they're doing it like we are. A huge example of this being Altruism, which is touted as a very human behavior while the exact same behavior in animals is dismissed as 'instinct' - even when the motivations are identical. Humans are so fucking arrogant - and that benefits us as a species - but on the individual level of philosophical thought and discourse, it leaves us disappointingly unable to think outside our boxes.
I think you're too readily dismissing the altruism claim. We understand altruism in animals very well. It is limited in scope. It is inherently transactional. An animal will only engage in it with the expectation of some selfish benefit in return - OR its altruistic self-sacrifice will result in its genetic material, ie. their offspring, having a higher likelihood of replicating and surviving as a result.
These types of altruism do indeed exist in humans as well. However, the kind of altruism that's unique to humanity is the truly self-less, unconditional kind. One that is entirely focused on another person's wellbeing, without regard for oneself, one's desires, or one's genetic material. You might deny that such altruism exists in humanity, but I implore you to go visit and talk to charity workers, explore their mindset first before you come to that conclusion.
@@Google_Censored_Commenter But what if such an altruism is an indirevt result of self-sacrifice for your kin? Our ancestors lived in small groups, so sacrificing your interests for the good of your neighbor was almost the same as helping your kin, and such behavior would be beneficial for the genes you have. Our current society is different, much more globalized and we have contact with enormously larger amount of people. However our behavior traits are the same as in our ancestors. So, it is reasonable to conclude that we are the same as many other animals as our altruism is the result of natural selection. And by the way, there are some data about primates having inequity aversion etc. Primates can behave out of altruistic impulses as we do when they do not have any direct advantages h t t p s://w w w . n c b i . n l m . n i h . g o v / p m c/ a r t i c l e s / P M C 2 9 3 6 1 6 9 /
@@Google_Censored_Commenter That's actually not the case, we have countless examples of animals behaving in ways to save each other, or help people, that do not result in any benefit to themselves.
Consider Dolphins who save people at sea, protect them from predators, and help them to aid.
Consider animals that help smaller and less capable animals in danger - which we have plenty of video evidence to document.
Yes, some animal altruism is transactional, just as most human altruism is transactional, but it is not limited to such.
By dismissing animal motivations as 'less evolved' you are doing exactly what this video warns against.
@@Maehedrose I am "dismissing" those animal motivations because I simply don't see the evidence of it. I am EXTREMELY skeptical that any animal, even one as smart as a Dolphin will deliberately save any other species, with that explicit intent. Especially in a way that's that puts them in obvious danger, before we're on the level of altruism I described. You're gonna need hard evidence of that, and not just some story of it happening, if you want to convince me. This isn't a trivial task, most animals just react purely on instinct, especially when danger is concerned. The idea that we have countless examples of animals saving each other sounds ludicrous to me, especially in dangerous situations. Chances are even if they did occassionally save someone, it was not deliberate, an act of play, or they just didn't recognize the danger in question at all. Animals are not as intelligent as you give them credit for. If they were on that level, we would have learned to communicate with them in full sentences already.
@@Google_Censored_Commenter Your ignorance on the subject is not my problem, learn more.
You really set the bar high with this one, bro! I hope EM and others at the top see this-it is Zeitgeist Gold! Thank You!!!
EM?
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Absolutely the best video you have created.
Would listen to a podcast with those two.
WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE?
To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Brilliantly done! It is literally every thought I have had on this subject laid out perfectly. Thank you. I have been watching your great content for years, and yet again, Darkmatter2525, you have impressed me beyond words I can express. Thank you. (I kept expecting to see Geoffrey fly in, though....lol)
Ontology is always my favorite thing to talk about. I love videos like this.
This is genius. I absolutely love it. This 20 minute vid is better at exploring the nature of artificial life than any sci Fi movie I've ever seen.
I absolutely loved it. It's a masterpiece!
Excellent video! Very captivating and thought provoking. I felt like I was watching a thriller sci-fi. The gut wrenching twist of sudden realization of his pre-determined fate and mortal reality really got me thinking about the seemingly hopeless attempt to make a distinction between the Natural and Artificial in order to try to understand the nature of consciousness.
5:28 "a distinction without a difference."
Such a beautiful description.
10:40 my greatest gripe. "The great chain of being".
Does consciousness require complexity? How could someone test that?
Of course consciousness requires complexity. Every feature that composes intelligence is innately complex and the sum total is even more so due to emergent complexity. Trying to remove it would amount to brain damage, resulting in everything from lobotomy to death.
"I knew you would jump. But how could I know such a thing unless you were programmed to do so?"
The anthropocentric world view has taught us that we're special. But when you think about it, we really are just copies of copies that survived the process of elimination through millions of years of survival of the fittess.
DarkMatter does it once again!
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
This video has expressed a lot of my views on so-called AI and artificiality in general. I’m so happy to learn I share ideas like this with others, and it gives me hope that if we ever do create conciousness, that we’ll recognize it for what it is and give it the respect it deserves. Amazing video on a needed topic, dark matter.
Have you ever lied, lusted sexually, disrespected parents, stolen, thought bad thoughts, hated someone, sinned sexually (fornication, Adultery …) etc All humans have sinned in thought, word or deed. Therefore, none of us are good and able to get into Heaven and will be justly judged and sent to eternity in Hell! But God out of His love sent his son Jesus (also God in Human flesh) to die on the cross for our sins and rise again from the dead (nobody can do that only God).
Jesus said if you Repent of your sins and put your complete trust in Him for your salvation, you’ll have eternal life, given to you as a gift (this message is not to be ignored; seek God today). Your thoughts?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Please demonstrate your god exists, otherwise everything you typed is basically meaningless. Good luck.
Yeah right, "RESPECT“
Humans don't have that
@@darkocelot7342 fair point
THERE'S NO PROOF THAT JESUS EVEN EXISTED?
Detailed historical evidence of Jesus' earthly life (from birth to death) is given in biographical accounts by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, as well as the apostles Peter and Paul. These accounts, by those who knew Him, were written within a few years of His death. Aside from the Bible, there is documentation by secular histori¬ans Josephus (AD 37-100) and Tacitus (AD c. 56-120), the Babylonian Talmud, and other sources (Primary Historical Sources)
With over two dozen Christian and secular sources to rely on, no reputable historian claims Jesus of Nazareth was not a real historical person. Jesus split time in 2 we have AD and BC based on when He was born! And if there is even 1% chance, he existed you owe it to yourself to listen
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
So when are you going to give me evidence your god exists? Why are you going off on a tangent? Do you have evidence for your god? I hope so, if you intend on shaping your life around it and trying to get others to change their lives for it too.
Bloody hell DM, you are amazing.
Thanks for continuing to make content. Each one is it's own piece of digital art.
Would you agree that Holy Koolaid is kinda the ALPHA ATHEIST?
I mean, hes certainly Master at having very funny videos (i couldnt stop laughing at his videos about the
Great Double-Down) but also the more serious stuff (like 'Blessed Countrys Debunked'). Hes grounded but funny.
I have been thinking about this video since you posted it. There is so much to ponder here.
"We did not kill you. We simply let nature take its course."
I don't know what i'm being told. I feel that there's a powerful piece of information here but i haven't grasped it. Could someone with a firmer understanding of the material please explain?
humans were created by nature therefore nature created robots therefore robots cloned humans with a timmed life in order to enhanced them, all naturally.
The robot let the man keep going until he died even after he failed the test, letting nature run it's course normally. Humanity would have stopped bothering with a failed creation and disassembled it (in this case, killing it) instead of letting it be.
well... there's a couple of ways to look at it. One way I thought was: imagine if the human had said it rather than the robot. How would the meaning have changed? Well, for the first half of the discussion... the human had been making the distinction between "natural" and "artificial" processes. But if the human had said "we did not kill you, it was just nature," then this would have shown a clear hypocrisy - namely, a selectivity in attributing things to nature vs. to humans. As @Lorig suggested, it would conveniently *absolve* the human of any moral responsibility if they can just selectively attribute any action to "nature taking its course." It's a bit paradoxical and creepy, too, because it was the *robot* stating that "artificial" is not even a valid concept; in other words, the robot was perhaps being more intellectually consistent than the human, even though the conclusion isn't really emotionally satisfying.
However, there were other interpretations that I missed. For example, other commenters pointed out that the robot's goal was to create a human that "has no biases," but clearly, the robot values "robot life" more than "human life," which is a bit of a contradiction. But then again, try reversing the roles in this scenario, and what do we end up with...? Do some thinking on it.
So good! The Aging throughout was subtle enough that I found myself questioning whether or not it was happening. I await your next video eagerly
I'm so out of words, this dealt with so many consciousness questions all at once. Enlightening.
This is incredible!
And I didn't notice the aging as it was so subtle so went back and skimmed over to get a general sense of the aging.
Damn, this hits diffrently...tbh i never could have thought about a conversation like this myself. Probs to you man! Keep up the good work. And again an awesome video, hope to see more like this in the future. In the mean time, i wish you all the best and great success. Keep up the good work, it's very inspiring.👌🏼
The difference in sapience and non sapience, what I may call consciousness, is the ability to have the "watch the world burn" mentality. The ability to knowingly make a decision that is no way benefitial to any parties involved. To detriment and worsen everything. Individual survival instinct will guide you to make a decision that benefits you, and social survival instinct will guide you to make sacrifices for the good of others (to varying extent based on empathy or a perceived kinship) - but the ability to disregard all that and make the decision that only harms everyone - note: not the action, the ability to take that action - is what separates conscious/sapient from non-conscious/non-sapient. It is what separates us from the animals, and actually the destinction I use in a universe I write in and run table top games in to separate things from the "sentient race" and "critter" rule-sets of handling living/thinking beings
an interesting discussion I had in this context was in regards to domesticated cats. A player made the argument that they are sapient by my definition, due to the phenomenon of spite-s***ing; cats, when angry or jealous will go to the place that the target of their frustration sleeps and defecate there. This only gets them punishment and also detriments the target as they have to clean up and deal with it and have to discipline the cat (stick their face in it, then crate them for a few hours, for example) - but the thing is, they are simply communicating "this is MINE, you go AWAY" (spite s---ing is usually out of jealousy toward a new significant other of their owner, or someone else that is taking too much of their owner's or friend's time and attention.) - because their goal is to get them gone and have the target of their affection's time for themselves, the decision is made with the goal of benefiting themselves.
How would you define "benefitial"?
Are human beings not just a collection of preference of varying priority and the awarenesses thereof?
What if a human beings motivations for an action that is detrimental to them and all others is fueled purely bye a motivation to satisfy a psychological desire "preference" from its satisfaction they derive some form of pleasure i.e dopamine?
What do you base your definition of "benefitial" on? And how do you logically justify your criteria without stating a "preference" such a desire to not die or experience pain and pleasant stimuli?
What are you thoughts on consciousness as defined based on "being a matter to the degree to which one is aware of ones existence, thoughts and feeling and the degree to which one understands the relationship between cause and effect"?
The cat behaviour you have just described is exactly what a conscience mind is, the cat was seeking revenge, that's what conscientious mind do! The cat may be too stupid to learn human language, but their lower intelligence does not make them any less conscience
This is your masterpiece. This is pure gold. Thank you!
This deserves way more attention.
Outstanding. From a philosophical and from an artistic point of view, you absolutely nailed it. As ever, you are one of the best living artists I know, with such a high standard that you somehow always manage to maintain. Bravo, DM, bravo!
Already watched this twice. Your content is always great to absorb and think about
Every video you post makes me look at the world in an irreversibly different way. The amount of clarity, perspective, and insight gained from watching your content is honestly incredible. Keep uploading amazing content and I will keep waiting, hungry for more. I pledge to be a patron as soon as I get the time to set it up. Thank you so much, and may your days be fulfilling and as peaceful as possible.
Absolutely amazing, thought provoking video. Can't express how well made this is.
Actually so proud of my childish accomplishment!
When can we expect Power Corrupts Part 20?We have been waiting for it for over a year
I think last video was it. It was Jeffrey dooming the planet so Yahweh's test doesn't allow him to gain power wasn't it?
I believe that series came to a finish. Maybe not though. You never know.
@@HowardCountyObserver How can you think its finished?Thats actually baffling to me.
It literally said it will end with part 20 and the video ends with cliffhanger
@@newhybrid101 I did say, "Maybe not...". It's been awhile since I watched it. I do hope it continues. Some of the best content he has. Though, these videos lately have been really great too. All of his work is.
I just realized you are not just a “mere CZcamsr “ You are a great thinker, man.
This was absolutely incredible, such a great view on things, so much to think about. Something worth watching.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. GOD IS HOLY
This hit home on a subject I thought about quite a bit over the years. What makes us sentient? What makes something not? Where do you draw the line? And is it moral to end something that could potentially be sentient? If we make ai that achieves self awareness or at least mimics it well enough that we can't tell, how how should we treat them? If I had my way we would avoid making self aware robots. Not because of some apocalypse but because I already know how humans would treat them. We boast about being moral and intelligent, but in reality we are still verry much scared monkeys trying to make sense of a dangerous world.
true I don't think there even is a line. even maybe single synapsis is conscious just negligible compared to ours with billions of neurons.
@@anandsuralkar2947 Survey-Question:
Would you agree that Holy Koolaid is kinda the ALPHA ATHEIST?
I mean, hes certainly Master at having very funny videos (i couldnt stop laughing at his videos about the Great Double-Down) but also the more serious stuff (like 'Blessed Countrys Debunked'). Hes grounded but funny.
@@loturzelrestaurant holy Kool-Aid is cool. I like darkmatter2525 more tho
This isn't just a topic about AIs, it applies to animals and potential alien life as well. Most people are human supremecists without even knowing it.
@@DemoniteBL verry true. Honestly been thinking about going vegetarian or vegan because of how we treat livestock animals . Also if any alien came here, they would rule us. We wouldn't be able to stop them
Always great stuff Dark!
Another fantastic thinking piece, sir! Thank you for creating these many gems.
The Bible can be summed up in 1 word. Jesus. Jesus means salvation. But you may say “what do I need to be saved from?” Sin and its consequence (which is Hell-the wrath of God). But you may say “I don’t Sin”. Jesus said all humans have sinned in thought, word, or deed, so either you are lying, or Jesus is lying. On the topic of sin have you ever lied, stolen anything, spoken abusively to or about someone, Swore, Blasphemed God’s Holy name, lusted after the opposite sex, had premarital sex, cheated, hated someone?
Jesus died on the cross and experienced the wrath of God on Himself in order for you to be forgiven and reconciled with God. All you have to do is repent (change from your sinful ways) and Believe in Jesus. Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
DM.. This is, by a mile, the best, most thought provoking video that I have seen from you in quite some time! Excellent work, sir!
Really enjoyed this one, so much so that I didn't even see the aging process of the human until the end, which I'm sure you intended.
One issue I had with this conversation is that the concept of qualia was never introduced. The little "sparks" of experience that feel like it is to be something or to experience something. Like taste or colour. These things aren't reducible to processing alone, at least not in any way we understand them.
When we have "base units" for which we can't derive something more fundamental, we usually give them number based on the patterns they exhibit in nature. E.g. for an electron we can assign properties of energy, spin & charge. We don't understand these things in a way more fundamental than "they just exist as units of nature for which the only way we can express their behaviour is by numbers". The only way I see possible to explain/experiment consciousness/qualia in a meaningful way is to play this game and see how far we can get. However, I don't think with our current rulesets in the hard sciences, that we'll ever be able to truly understand what causes these sparks of experience beyond pointing at certain biological structures and saying "the number we've invented to make sense of this thing is such in this current state".
Consciosuness is only special here as a concept (relative to the electron example above) because it's the thing we're forced to use to interface with the world
How would you define "sparks of experience"?
And why do you think it was not addressed, considering that the man had artificial experiences uploaded to their brain and the robot had experiences (of that discussion for example) too.
@Samael Of The Morning Sun
If we were to gain the knowledge of each and every single particle, its direction, velocity and direction within a mind at a given point in time.
And the insert this information into a physics engine with the capacity to simulate all these mathematical equations and resulting chemical reactions...
Then would this being - at least in theory - not be just as capable of a conscious experience as a biological human?
Is this not what human beings are?
A set of self sustaining chemical reactions capable of creating experience?
The way in which our senses can deceive us and how our experience may be affected by physical trauma as much as chemical reactions caused by poisons and medicine alike?
Why would there be difference between simulation of those chemical reactions as opposed to them taking place?
What way would we possibly have of knowing if our existance biological or digital?
The difference is merely a technicality and not one affecting the moral consideration granted to such beings.
@@QuintarFarenor
There's a difference between information and experience that hasn't been gapped by neuroscience or physics. Take a simple example of a camera uploading a digital image to a computer. We have all of the information for each pixel and can translate them to RGB values. The computer however, does not experience the colour red or "feel" it as we do in any deducible sense, or if did for some really weird reason, we have no underlying empirical evidence to explain how/why. That's the point I was making about the problem with base units of existence. We need a starting point, we can't rationalise the things we use to rationalise everything else with something more fundamental (or it would go on ad infinitum)
@@jonasstrzyz2469 Similar to my response to Quintar, the difference is our understanding of the digital world is absolute, in the sense that we define the variables and laws by which they interact. We can use this to model the real world.
In your example, if we had a computer that could model all this information (this is theoretically impossible but not relevant for your point, see Laplace's demon) then yes we would indeed see humans interacting as we interact with all the memories and experiences we have...
...EXCEPT, we must understand that our models of the laws we understand in nature are approximations. A model of an electron in a simulation is not the same as that of an electron we see in our world (or call it, our simulation). The problem is that our understanding of core units are approximations based on the axioms we use to build those frameworks. We don't understand them in a deeper sense just like we don't understand qualia in a deeper sense.
The key to understanding this is accepting the fact that what we simulate is accurate given the laws and base units we have at our disposal. We're restricted to our base units and axioms and we have no "fundamental magical truth laws" of physics that explain the entirety of everything because that would require a justification of our axioms with other more fundamental axioms (which is obviously impossible). At a certain point we have to accept that the way we describe the universe is limited to human level intuition and math is an amazing tool that allows us to make amazing predictions, but it is not a catch-all solution for the simple fact that we rely on axioms and base units to explain all *other* behaviours. They by definition can't explain themselves if that makes sense?
Your mention of qualia has me thinking. Where is the difference between us experiencing light, and a photo sensor on a camera doing the same? Our human experience of light is shaped by the biological programming to recognize shapes/patterns/movement and we are teaching AI to learn these patterns. In other words, we've given them eyes and are developing the AI visual cortex to work more like our own. As it stands, we already share the capacity to be overwhelmed by too much light, or rendered unable to see if there isn't enough light. Sure, a digital camera has no broader context for light, what light is in a physical sense, nor an understanding of its psychological and philosophical associations - but that's because the camera isn't attached to the a cortex of a digital brian that can give it some measure of experience.
Let's say we build a robot that 1. Knows how to replace it's own power supply, 2. Can move on its own through its environment, and 3. is programmed to sense and avoid light. Hell, let's even give it 4. The ability to fabricate near-identical copies of itself. Is there a fundamental difference between this robot and an organism that has no brain to render meaningful qualia, but likewise can sense/avoid light, replenish its own energy, and reproduce? Are the robot and the protists both experiencing something? Are both they experiencing nothing? Why? Move up the chain of complexity to multicellular organisms, to slime molds and dust mites - are they experiencing something? What about spiders, shellfish? There isn't a rational place to draw the line between something that experiences meaningful qualia and something that is only taking in stimuli and executing programming, biological or artifical. It makes more sense to consider this capacity to experience things as a spectrum, a slider between "not very much" and "quite a lot." Out current AI are definitely on the "not a lot" end down with the protists, and it's possible they won't or can't ever reach the human levels of "quite a lot," but to say they aren't even on this spectrum just doesn't add up for me.
This was a really good story with a really great philosophical conversation. You are starting to become one of the greatest philosophy CZcamsrs that have ever lived ☺️☺️
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 he is, but the question is, which god? Buddha? Allah? Yahwah? Zeus? Osiris? Neptune? Cthulhu? Flying speghetti Monster?
@@Zeddex2965 Jesus is God
Look ill share something personal. I’ve personally seen Jesus (Not worthy), Heaven and Hell. Hell is worse than what you think (I was shaking after that experience), and Heaven is better than what you think. I have also received a personal healing miracle, I can go into details if you want. This is how God works. If you give Him the benefit of the doubt, He gives you more and more. Would I spend even 2 minutes preaching if I had an ounce of doubt? (I’ve experienced way too much)
This has become my favourite video of your channel so far. Bravo!
this was simply amazing yet sobering at the same time I love your videos there is a certain perspective you don't see anywhere else that I highly identify with
near the end of the video the AI mentioned that if the human were to past the test, they would copy his consciousness to prolongue his lifespan. Yet he already copied his memories so that he can clone over, i cant exactly say its a contraverse but it caught my attention.
Yes. IMO there was a bit of a hint that the machines are cut in an endless loop. They create artificial humans, give them memories that encourage them to experience bias, are disappointed that they experience bias, and just keep trying over and over again.
@@irrevenant3 the machines are presumably running an evolutionary search algorithm and introducing noise/mutations into the neural net in each instance, which I find highly amusing.
@@irrevenant3 Kinda like how God made humans with free-will and curiosity, and yet is disappointed that Adam and Eve eat from the fruit of knowledge, and decides to punish the rest of the human race for the original sin. And then sends his son to die for humanity's sins to be potentially removed through Christ.
Satan is used as a scapegoat for suffering in the world. It does not change the fact...that God programmed us in a way that leads us and Lucifer to imperfection and ruin. Like how the machines programmed the artificial humans to experience bias, but are disappointed that they experience bias/sin. So they restart the whole thing/rapture, and repeat the same thing, over and over.
@@ziephel-6780 Well I don't think it's entirely the same thing. You have to remember that the robot made the human with a specific test in mind outside of bias. Ergo there likely will be a human that will pass the test. Though when that occurs is gonna take awhile.
This is an amazing thought provoking animation. Well done.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. GOD IS HOLY
This is absolutely brilliant. The philosophy of this is brilliant. I’m questioning so much right now. Thank you for this.
You just keep getting better and better DarkMatter2525, Great work once again.
It always brightens my day when I see that DarkMatter has a new video!
Amazing as always DM
This was REALLY mind blowingly interesting and kinda dark, but in a good way.... I love ur videos, always gets me thinking throughout the day about things i would've otherwise not thought bout but also things i feel like i NEED to have thoughts on :-) Hope i made sense lol
This is the most amazing philosophical conversation I've seen in a very long time. So much conflict in debates, it's refreshing to see 2 completely different perspectives hash it out purely intellectually.
WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE?
To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.