Those are well known facts, Marilyn was used sexually by producers and important men in Hollywood...that phrase she said about "sucking c---s" was said in front of journalists...she was abused all her life, from infancy in the orphan institutes were she grew up...having deep psichiatric illness put in her in a state of mind were she wasn't able to defend herself...it is all documented
I'm always amazed that Marilyn, will all her issues, made every move a picture. Everywhere she went, everything she wore, mundane or elegant, just seemed iconic. There's no goof line that she said or goof picture she took. She was just so cool without trying. A magical woman.
@@ImTheCookieMonster95 No, they are not. Not always. Tyrone Power was never taken serious as an actor because the studio thought he was too beautiful, "only a pretty face".
I loved it when Joan said Marilyn knew she was beautiful..so many pretty girls/woman deny their beauty. Marilyn did know and I think she knew she was inside as well. She seemed to have the confidence of it when she was on camera but in private I think she was so abused and run by men it broke her down. I think she gave men and some woman a little control and before she realized it or could stop it they had all the control and her escape was the drugs they shoved at her.......... It makes me so damn angry she didn't have just one good person to help her! We all lost a amazingly talented woman way too soon!
I love how Joan speaks so confidently about the subject. She doesn't hesitate or get at a loss for words. She speaks very forthright you know she is telling the truth.
Joan is so sweet. What a lady! As a man, I am so ashamed that Marilyn and Joan had to endure those horrible indignities. Just awful. I have always had respect for the ladies and, as a leader, I always felt I could get their best performances out of anyone without indignity or abuse. There had to be someone in those years that had my disposition. Anyone! Makes me sick!
well who's fault is it if women keep trying out on the casting couch - women have the power to REJECT them - if women stand strong and don't "take one for their career" these men would be out of business... but it's consensual so it's not rape if people are doing this for a career - it's prostitution... it's up to women not to give in... your integrity has to be worth more than a career....
I saw Dame Joan in Melbourne around 1978 on a tv show called The Lane Show (Don Lane). I was in the front row of the audience with my girlfriend, we were the youngest people there (mid-teens). I can tell you, when she came into view Dame Joan's tits were the first thing around the entry way that walked onto the studio set by a good interval... those were two fairly prominent features. She was stunning.
I believe Marilyn was a pure and gentle soul with a softness lovlier than a playful kitten. Her sensuality was fueled not by vulgarity or blatant rawness, it was subtle and forcefully gentle, irresistible to ignore because it was infused with all her need for acceptance. A futile attempt to ward off abandonment. See the delight in her every expression? It was the consummate reflection of the joy she yearned from humankind, not just from the male species who had mainly exploited her, and ultimately detracted her true essence and what she was really about.
It is so sad that she was born in Hollywood! Her mother worked for the Studios, got pregnant with Marilyn and would not tell who her father was! Possibly the head of the Studio! Had her mother committed and put Marilyn in an orphaned; down the street from the Studio! That is some cold blooded schitz!
@@kiranjitKaur61 all the greats were factual feminine feminists. The suffragettes were feminine straight women who loved their husbands and wanted equal rights. Feminism was HIGHJACKED by man hating fat ugly butch lesbians. They hate femininity and they hate males!
Mark Gable Maybe now but definitely not then. Women had no rights. If a woman called ‘rape’ she was blamed. A huge amount of rapes went unreported. It was terrible right up until the late 80’s, even early 90’s, which is not that long ago. I personally know three women who have been violently raped...one fellow went to jail but the other two were never reported because the women were scared of the repercussions. Yes, some women take advantage of the system (and they should be shunned) but that doesn’t mean each and every report shouldn’t be treated seriously. Rape is an act of violence, it’s about power and control, and it happens more than you think.
@@jordanabeaulieu2530 Thats the thing, there was definitely women who were willing and able to perform sexual favours for a million dollar movie contract. A lot of people out there are so desperate for fame, having sex with the boss man is small price to pay. I dont buy the argument that they "had to " do it to work in the business. Nobody should sell their soul for a job or career even if its a well paid one.
Jack Lemon and Tony Curtis also knew how Marilyn got roles, she told them, also, she said she "did it on her knees" because she was nobody coming from nowhere with no protection of any kind and, aftr all, that's how Hollywood works. Marilyn called the studio heads fat, ugly, old and bald. What I wonder is, if this is happening even TODAY
To address Cats Chorus; Joan's recounting of her meeting with Marilyn hasn't wavered over time. The story has been absolutely the same over and over and over. They did meet - no one kept a guest book at Gene's house. I remember watching Joan in Turn the Key Softly. Remarkable. Absolutely outstanding. Love Joan. Love Marilyn.
I express my gratitude for providing many compilations from interviews. I am sad that Ms. Monroe, Ms. Collins and who is certain the number of young women was approached with that type of harassment and threats of their contracts being terminated in Hollywood. What is more troubling that not enough people spoke of the abuse and exposed these degenerates, excluding Shirley Temple with Arthur Freed for example.
Joan was incorrect. Marilyn refused to do the movie that Joan was subsequently offered...It had nothing to do with MM's age at the time.. MM was just tired of being cast as a sex symbol...This led her to turn her back on Hollywood and head to NY to improve her acting skills at the Actors Studio. It was such a success .. her performances after being in the Actor's Studio were some of the greatest of her career. Joan was incorrect about the fact that the studio thought that she was too old to play the role...they wanted her for the role, but she resisted and refused to play the part. It took great courage on Marilyn's part to take such a stand. Joan would do well to not reinvent what happened for her own benefit. So many actors do that now, at the experience of their deceased predecessors who can not defend themselves against gossip and innuendo.
+ canthemum - Wikipedia DID NOT back up your version of the story. It merely stated that Joan played the role in "The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing", which was originally assigned to Marilyn Monroe. Collins only got the role because Marilyn flat out REFUSED the part (another sex kitten role, which Marilyn abhorred playing), and was suspended by Fox for REFUSING to do the film. That was when she abandoned Hollywood and escaped to NY to join the Actors Studio in order to study and improve on her acting talent. Collins got the role because MM REFUSED it, not because MM was too old for the part. Joan also embellished her conversations with MM (which she has done many times, in terms of conversations with other actors and actresses) mostly to garner attention for herself. She was well past her prime during many of these interviews and embellished her stories to create interest in what she had to say. And, by the way, if as she stated, MM had to do what she did to get roles (which was quite probable during those times), then Joan, who was considered a poor man's Elizabeth Taylor, certainly had to do the same (or worse) to get roles for herself. She was never a paragon of virtue.
Marilyn was already a good actress they didn't care and over 30 was ancient in those days no wonder Marilyn was so depressed drunk and eating pills after all the abuse.
You can have beauty wealth and fame but if you don’t have a secure sense of inner identity, a sense of being loved and fitting in your psychological turmoil will overcome you. You can overcome it with a good therapist, a healthy lifestyle, avoiding toxic people and situations, having a purpose, giving to others, and focusing on the people you love and the things you enjoy doing your life will go in a positive direction. Also giving rather than constantly taking and being greedy can help you feel better about yourself. A lot of people on top actually have low self esteem and are consistently on the make and take. It’s kind of pathetic that our society venerates those in the public eye who are often narcissistic.
I have since recently learnt to talk eloquently. The Old English way of Eloquence such as Audrey Hepburn Ji:s speaking and style. Royal Audrey Hepburn Ji was British too.
I worked in the hospitality industry in the 80's from age 13 til the 90's aged 25/26 and the same deals were being offered, I was far too simple to understand, but was always cut when the "tarts" with no idea and no skills were moved up and not me, even though I'd been invited to the "boardrooms" I never attended, at age 27 I got my truck licence, at age 34 watching TV I learned what time on the couch meant! Never got the good truck jobs either, still don't do the sex! Own my home, car, boat, you don't need prostitute yourself to make it anywhere at a slower time frame, the girls who did the sex are all burnt out old looking miserable tarts with less than I have and no soul nor self/ self respect, and the kids don't look remotely similar!! Bless you Joan.
I do rather disagree with that statement. I do consider Marilyn Monroe Ji to hath been rather more classical than was joan. I rather do not consider any person to be physically ugly as such and do not think that Marilyn Monroe Ji did e'er use the word to describe a person's appearance the way in which joan on the contrary rather DIDST in Interview as I hath myself viewed.
It's a rough business. It was then, and it's worse now. Back then the exploitation was behind closed doors. Now sex scenes are virtually always mandatory, on top of the casting couch crap. Take it back to the old days when Gable carried Harlow into the bedroom and kicked the door shut. Better not to humiliate these ladies at all, but if you must, PLEASE stop making us watch!
@@SEJ3333 Hold Your Man (1933). It's worth watching, at least until the part where the Code forced them to send Jean's character to a reformatory. The first half is one of those witty Anita Loos con artist tales.
Well Joan did not become the huge star Marilyn did but she was not abused as badly either and able to grow older and not be completely exploited by the industry.
Most of the film industry has always been garbage! Unbelievable what men and women have to go through to get an acting career! Finally now we're beginning to see victims of sexual harassment speak out!!! Its upsetting and sad learning what Marilyn went through. RIP MM❤
The entertainment industry is ALL "who you know". At every level. I recall being booked for my first union commercial as a featured extra. It was exciting, a major jump for me--and the money was the most I had ever earned. But there were other people, younger than me, who had been working at the union level since babyhood. They grew up in the entertainment business, all of their friends were in it....their parents were well-connected.
As a middle aged bitch who gossiped behind peoples backs, suppose your right. Marilyn was only 36yrs old when she was murdered for keeping her mouth shut.
I had of course heard of the "casting couch" before and was well aware that back in the day of major Hollywood studios that no actress would have been immune from it, but this was the first time I had heard what Marilyn may have actually had to do to become the star that she was.
@@Tawadeb Wow...didn't know that. I applaud Tony Curtis for being willing to speak up about that. Considering how significantly more 'conservative' Hollywood was 'back in the day', this information definitely piques my interest.
I am not a fan of danielle minogue whom has rebelliously promoted lgbtq from early on and controversially. There is nothing Sweet about that, the way that I can see it.
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Joan never recovered from the fact that Elizabeth Taylor did Cleopatra and she was film industry Holywood Star, like Bettie Davies, Joan Crowford, Brigitte Bardot or Sophie Loren or divine but tragic and most iconic and legendary of them all ( who never got even an Oscar, despite being its biggest legend of all the time) Marilyn Monroe. Joan sadly never smashed Hollywood. But she did make herself a big star and legend in America and Europe and the World on TV. Joan Collins was a massive TV smash star, in Dynasty, and she deserved it. But then Joan was not in her 20, the 30s as the rest of the girls, she did it in her fifties? but that is even more applaudable and should garner her more respect but she does not even realize it herself. She did it when most of the girls go retired, but she made herself the name and stardom like no one before her. Anyway, Joan is a big star and legend, but she should give up with these "wolves"..." she should now stop, and grow up after all these years and stop bitching non stop about "wolves" of Hollywood, well they did stop her in the end with Hollywood career, ok fair enough, but she got it back on TV :) so move on Joan!
Many actors embellish their stories , for example Burt Ward has been busted many times for stretching the truth ("the tigers in Catwomans pit were real !")....they do this so they can tell stories at cons , the more people seem interested the more bs the celeb makes up = instant revenue
Before landing on Dynasty, Joan made two unintentionally laugh-out funny bad "C"-movies, both bordering soft porn, one called "The Bitch" and other called "The Stud", so you can guess the nature of the movies. In one scene, a guy actually goes down on her. Times must've been tough for Joan to accept those roles. What was she thinking??
Joan was very pretty but a dreadful actress but has had the good fortune of a long life thanks to Percy let’s hope she lives to be a hundred for Percy sake
She's making fun of her when sexual harassment was funny then she's pitying her when it started to be taken seriously in society :( Joan, what the-?...
From what I heard .. Jane Russell (Marilyn CoStar in Gentlemen Prefer Blond) mentioned that Marilyn only liked older men (father figure).. She's never interested in younger men.
Marilyn was realy smart and knew what was happeninh i just kind of dont understand why she would stick to that when she knew it was toxic and bad for her and other people. i would like to think acting was really her passion and thats the one thing that made her feel like she belonged and maybe she cared about what other people thought. she was a beautiful soul just a little lost.
Secular Humanist I don’t mean it that way. It’s just some things you keep private or maybe just rarely talk about it. If Joan was such a good friend to Marilyn where was she when Marilyn’s career was slumping at the end?
Lustforchanel ... Well 1) she’s like 10 years younger than her and 2) she lives in a different country and was probably busy working and might not have known, it should have been her family and close friends her age looking after her
If Marilyn had not submitted to those men in control, we would never have heard of her. Marilyn did not want to do that movie The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing because it was just exploiting her sensuality and not because "She was too old". Marilyn was at a point in her career where she could tell a studio no. I wish she had done the movie. Joan had to make that up as a cover for why she did the movie. Marilyn looked innocent despite the sexual things she had to endure for her career.
oh please Joan we remember the movies Marilyns movies and just like Dynasty you were replacing Sophia Loren in the beginning as in dynasty you were known for the disasters some would call relationships were in the that first debacle the the girl in the swing had nothing to do with age clearly thanks to the extraordinary work on Joan face she looked older then.
joan acts like marilyn was the only one doing what she had to do to get roles and that she ONLY got roles because of her alleged infidelities with studio bosses, and that she continued to do this throughout her white heat fame superstardom which is a lie...... i doubt marilyn would have told joan personally EVERYTHING she did in the early years to get roles and do so specifically..
People do talk to each other you know. It's not a stretch at all to think Marilyn would give another rising actress advice like Joan says. There is no mystery at all in that. And Joan never said Marilyn used the casting couch for ALL her major roles, just her early ones. Watch the video again you ass.
I heard Tony Curtis talk about this on Larry King when it was MM birthday tribute. Curtis said Marilyn did do exactly what Joan said. In fact when Curtis said this the rest of the panel were upset he said it.
This could have very well been the case, however, the way she is saying it.....definitely not coming from a genuine place. The gesture and the way in which she spoke, in saying that Marilyn was leaving to become a serious actor was very demeaning. This is coming from an unbiased place, I have no dog in this fight. With any disingenuous person, even if it is a fact, they will always have their own spin in the way they say it in order to invoke a specific reaction in another.
I REFUSE TO BELIEVE Marilyn did the casting couch.. just because most sluts did in Hollywood to get on, does not mean she did! I believe that's why they kept her in comedy type roles and would not let her progress into more dramatic performances. Just my view 🤷♀️
@Griffith Williams she did that to feed herself and survive. Nothing more. When she got famous and those photos came back to haunt her, she feared it would end her career, however the public were sympathetic to her situation and understood why she did those pics! And she continued to blossom
joesph gallo yeah why don’t you call that out. And while you’re at it, how about all the priests who abused children, all in the Catholic faith. How about all the Kennedy’s too? They are the one’s responsible for her death.
Being totally honest tho - they didn't HAVE to. Putting aside rape, which probably also happened/happens in that scenario, it was a choice made. That said, the whole thing, right up to today, is a horrible disgusting cruel (shall we say evil?) way for people with power to manipulate others. And the more innocent and vulnerable the victim, the more evil the act.
That interview from 2003, OMG she looked so young still. And she was already 70 years old. Why did her face age so awfully from 2003 until the last few years? Nowadays her chest area is very wrinkled and covered with sunspots.
bluedasher74 Because that's what happens when you hit your "golden" years. Do really think people still look sexy over the age of 70? Joan was lucky to still be sexy at 50-70 period lol No matter who you are age hits you like a wall
bluedasher74 You know there's a Double Standard when it comes to aging, right. As a culture we tend to comment on a Woman's age & looks MUCH MORE than with a man. We all age, sooner or later if we survive. Some "wear their age" better than others.🎂
you really can't put any weight in what Joan Collins says, she has always had a habit of injecting her own interpretation of what happened on a particular instance, lots of half truths and intrigue to spice up her stories, after all she is a novelist.
Trust me, NO ONE would ever put Joan Collins in the same league with MM, who was one of a kind. People pay to see MM's movies, no one would pay a dime to see Joan Collins. Come to think of it, WHAT memorable movies did Joan ever make ?? No, Joan, NO ONE would confuse you with Marilyn 😂😂😂
You need makeup for the Movies and the lighting! She worked out and ate healthy when preparing for a movie! She dud not eat out that much! Hollywood owned them!
you are so wrong. she did not have a 'ton' of work done. the only work thier is any evidence for is a chin implant and a very minor procedure on the tip of her nose, nothing that would significantly alter her. czcams.com/video/jOO8MpQAqr8/video.html&ab_channel=EntertainmentTonight also all you need to do to see if she was a natural beauty is look at pictures of her when she was younger, before she could have had any surgery, and she certainly was
Hollywood had extremely high standards back then. Marilyn Monroe Ji's early modelling photographs and the factory photograph and early photographs show she was a pretty girl/beauty naturally.
I love that Marilyn wasn't a hater and that she looked out for her good sis, Joan.
Joan Collins is consistent in her recognition of the facts.
It makes me believe her 100%.
Exactly I was just coming to say that
Really . You must b in her dream land , of unicorn's an if I say it for long enough someone will believe Me. 😜👎🤣
If tell the same story over and over again you start to believe it.
Those are well known facts, Marilyn was used sexually by producers and important men in Hollywood...that phrase she said about "sucking c---s" was said in front of journalists...she was abused all her life, from infancy in the orphan institutes were she grew up...having deep psichiatric illness put in her in a state of mind were she wasn't able to defend herself...it is all documented
Imagine just going to a party, and having Marilyn Monroe call you over to the bar.
I think at this times Marilyn was famous, but she was not yet iconic ...
I'm always amazed that Marilyn, will all her issues, made every move a picture. Everywhere she went, everything she wore, mundane or elegant, just seemed iconic. There's no goof line that she said or goof picture she took. She was just so cool without trying. A magical woman.
Yessss she def would have been an “it girl” in any era!
Marylin was abused in Hollywood by men, so sad . "If you was pretty they didnt take you seriouly", still happen!!
If you play with a pretty card, thats what you get
@Plamen nor ugly nor pretty are taken seriously ...
@Plamen men are always taken seriously. handsome or ugly.
@@ImTheCookieMonster95 No, they are not. Not always. Tyrone Power was never taken serious as an actor because the studio thought he was too beautiful, "only a pretty face".
Не только не воспринимали всерьез, а просто пользовали и приучили к наркотикам, так было легче ей управлять🤑🤑🤑
Oh, the stories Joan could tell!!!!!
I wonder how many are true.
I could listen for hours
Oh I know! She's on my genie wishlist to have dirty martinis with all evening/night and tell me stories!
I would love to sit down and have tea with Joan.
You can equally watch some porn
Love the way she speaks.
😁
Isn't it Amazing
Yes, her British accent is amazing!
So classy
@@Chutney1luv She sounds very posh when she speaks!
I loved it when Joan said Marilyn knew she was beautiful..so many pretty girls/woman deny their beauty. Marilyn did know and I think she knew she was inside as well. She seemed to have the confidence of it when she was on camera but in private I think she was so abused and run by men it broke her down. I think she gave men and some woman a little control and before she realized it or could stop it they had all the control and her escape was the drugs they shoved at her.......... It makes me so damn angry she didn't have just one good person to help her! We all lost a amazingly talented woman way too soon!
I love how Joan speaks so confidently about the subject. She doesn't hesitate or get at a loss for words. She speaks very forthright you know she is telling the truth.
Well, not quite. I do not see the men as ugly at all.
@@kiranjitKaur61 Their appearance is immaterial, it is their behaviour which is being called into question
Hi Rhonda, here in the UK Joan Collins often writes columns. They are always very smart and perceptive, she also has a great sense of humour
@@gaynorprice-jones1826 I bet they are great.
@@rhondabitler2461 Yes. She's always good value in interviews!
Joan is so sweet. What a lady! As a man, I am so ashamed that Marilyn and Joan had to endure those horrible indignities. Just awful. I have always had respect for the ladies and, as a leader, I always felt I could get their best performances out of anyone without indignity or abuse. There had to be someone in those years that had my disposition. Anyone! Makes me sick!
Hear hear! 👍💪
*Beware* the wolves of Hollywood...still going on today, but with 'Me Too' and all, the wolves are on notice! ; ) ....I love both Marilyn & Joan!
Billy Krzemien shocking
well who's fault is it if women keep trying out on the casting couch - women have the power to REJECT them - if women stand strong and don't "take one for their career" these men would be out of business... but it's consensual so it's not rape if people are doing this for a career - it's prostitution... it's up to women not to give in... your integrity has to be worth more than a career....
I saw Dame Joan in Melbourne around 1978 on a tv show called The Lane Show (Don Lane). I was in the front row of the audience with my girlfriend, we were the youngest people there (mid-teens). I can tell you, when she came into view Dame Joan's tits were the first thing around the entry way that walked onto the studio set by a good interval... those were two fairly prominent features. She was stunning.
Imagine harvey Weinsteins everywhere.
It was very nice of Marilyn to save Joan's life.
Marilyn was an icon and super sensitive. Glad Joan is peaking her truth ❤
I believe Marilyn was a pure and gentle soul with a softness lovlier than a playful kitten. Her sensuality was fueled not by vulgarity or blatant rawness, it was subtle and forcefully gentle, irresistible to ignore because it was infused with all her need for acceptance. A futile attempt to ward off abandonment. See the delight in her every expression? It was the consummate reflection of the joy she yearned from humankind, not just from the male species who had mainly exploited her, and ultimately detracted her true essence and what she was really about.
IS THIS WHY U OVER BLEACHED UR BLACK HAIR AND CAN RELATE TO OTHER BLONDS?
@@carlofantiga5058 who are u addressing???
@@carlofantiga5058 what? Who?
@@carlofantiga5058 Actually, my dear, I wear a WIG, not a mask.lol
It is so sad that she was born in Hollywood! Her mother worked for the Studios, got pregnant with Marilyn and would not tell who her father was! Possibly the head of the Studio! Had her mother committed and put Marilyn in an orphaned; down the street from the Studio! That is some cold blooded schitz!
Dang Marilyn would’ve loved the #metoo she would be proud 😎
Wotiluv , I never thought of that. Excellent point.
Wotiluv 70 years later...
I do think that MM Ji did rather enjoy the Era in which she did Live. MM Ji was not known to be a Feminist.
Marilyn Monroe Ji did Love Men and had said that she did Prefer Men over women.
@@kiranjitKaur61 all the greats were factual feminine feminists. The suffragettes were feminine straight women who loved their husbands and wanted equal rights. Feminism was HIGHJACKED by man hating fat ugly butch lesbians. They hate femininity and they hate males!
So many Harvey Weinstein's in Marilyn's time.
@Mark Gable Yes blame the powerless women in those days
Mark Gable
Maybe now but definitely not then. Women had no rights. If a woman called ‘rape’ she was blamed. A huge amount of rapes went unreported. It was terrible right up until the late 80’s, even early 90’s, which is not that long ago.
I personally know three women who have been violently raped...one fellow went to jail but the other two were never reported because the women were scared of the repercussions.
Yes, some women take advantage of the system (and they should be shunned) but that doesn’t mean each and every report shouldn’t be treated seriously.
Rape is an act of violence, it’s about power and control, and it happens more than you think.
@@AA-ek5kz She slept with both Kennedy brothers and had a lot of affairs between her marriages, was she coerced into those "relationships"?
@@jordanabeaulieu2530 Thats the thing, there was definitely women who were willing and able to perform sexual favours for a million dollar movie contract. A lot of people out there are so desperate for fame, having sex with the boss man is small price to pay.
I dont buy the argument that they "had to " do it to work in the business. Nobody should sell their soul for a job or career even if its a well paid one.
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Jack Lemon and Tony Curtis also knew how Marilyn got roles, she told them, also, she said she "did it on her knees" because she was nobody coming from nowhere with no protection of any kind and, aftr all, that's how Hollywood works. Marilyn called the studio heads fat, ugly, old and bald. What I wonder is, if this is happening even TODAY
Harvey Weinstein. Thank goodness that fat ugly creep is going to jail!
Z. Lana I don’t think he will.
And Tony Curtis on the a TV show: "We all did."
They have not even touched the surface yet!🙄
@@MrCrowebobby He said "We"?!!
To address Cats Chorus; Joan's recounting of her meeting with Marilyn hasn't wavered over time. The story has been absolutely the same over and over and over. They did meet - no one kept a guest book at Gene's house. I remember watching Joan in Turn the Key Softly. Remarkable. Absolutely outstanding. Love Joan. Love Marilyn.
I express my gratitude for providing many compilations from interviews. I am sad that Ms. Monroe, Ms. Collins and who is certain the number of young women was approached with that type of harassment and threats of their contracts being terminated in Hollywood. What is more troubling that not enough people spoke of the abuse and exposed these degenerates, excluding Shirley Temple with Arthur Freed for example.
Yes and Temple would not speak of her days at MGM or give interviews. She held her integrity until she passed.
We get it everywhere ...construction work, offices .etc
BJ White Only one problem, BJ. Shirley Temple was never at MGM, her Contract was over at Twentieth Century Fox...
Marilyn monroe = #metoo
Miss Marilyn…oh dear :(
wow....Can you imagine her at gene Kellys and sitting there is the most beautiful woman in the world.
That is one beautiful women.
Luv luv luv
She loved Marilyn so what's wrong with that?
Joan was incorrect. Marilyn refused to do the movie that Joan was subsequently offered...It had nothing to do with MM's age at the time.. MM was just tired of being cast as a sex symbol...This led her to turn her back on Hollywood and head to NY to improve her acting skills at the Actors Studio. It was such a success .. her performances after being in the Actor's Studio were some of the greatest of her career. Joan was incorrect about the fact that the studio thought that she was too old to play the role...they wanted her for the role, but she resisted and refused to play the part. It took great courage on Marilyn's part to take such a stand. Joan would do well to not reinvent what happened for her own benefit. So many actors do that now, at the experience of their deceased predecessors who can not defend themselves against gossip and innuendo.
+ canthemum - Wikipedia DID NOT back up your version of the story. It merely stated that Joan played the role in "The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing", which was originally assigned to Marilyn Monroe. Collins only got the role because Marilyn flat out REFUSED the part (another sex kitten role, which Marilyn abhorred playing), and was suspended by Fox for REFUSING to do the film. That was when she abandoned Hollywood and escaped to NY to join the Actors Studio in order to study and improve on her acting talent. Collins got the role because MM REFUSED it, not because MM was too old for the part. Joan also embellished her conversations with MM (which she has done many times, in terms of conversations with other actors and actresses) mostly to garner attention for herself. She was well past her prime during many of these interviews and embellished her stories to create interest in what she had to say. And, by the way, if as she stated, MM had to do what she did to get roles (which was quite probable during those times), then Joan, who was considered a poor man's Elizabeth Taylor, certainly had to do the same (or worse) to get roles for herself. She was never a paragon of virtue.
Or maybe that's what Fox told Joan AND the press......#foxsstory
@@kimberlywhitehead22 Joan always seems to be taking a little dig at Marilyn every god damn time she tells this tired old tale over the decades.
Marilyn was already a good actress they didn't care and over 30 was ancient in those days no wonder Marilyn was so depressed drunk and eating pills after all the abuse.
Hello again, verbal volley ji. Your comment was good.
Nice quality.
When was this? Joan Collins looks stunning here
You can have beauty wealth and fame but if you don’t have a secure sense of inner identity, a sense of being loved and fitting in your psychological turmoil will overcome you. You can overcome it with a good therapist, a healthy lifestyle, avoiding toxic people and situations, having a purpose, giving to others, and focusing on the people you love and the things you enjoy doing your life will go in a positive direction. Also giving rather than constantly taking and being greedy can help you feel better about yourself. A lot of people on top actually have low self esteem and are consistently on the make and take. It’s kind of pathetic that our society venerates those in the public eye who are often narcissistic.
Because of Joan, I really want a British accent and I’m British with no British accent 😭
I have since recently learnt to talk eloquently. The Old English way of Eloquence such as Audrey Hepburn Ji:s speaking and style. Royal Audrey Hepburn Ji was British too.
Someone should have warned Marilyn about the Kennedys. John and Robert
I worked in the hospitality industry in the 80's from age 13 til the 90's aged 25/26 and the same deals were being offered, I was far too simple to understand, but was always cut when the "tarts" with no idea and no skills were moved up and not me, even though I'd been invited to the "boardrooms" I never attended, at age 27 I got my truck licence, at age 34 watching TV I learned what time on the couch meant! Never got the good truck jobs either, still don't do the sex! Own my home, car, boat, you don't need prostitute yourself to make it anywhere at a slower time frame, the girls who did the sex are all burnt out old looking miserable tarts with less than I have and no soul nor self/ self respect, and the kids don't look remotely similar!! Bless you Joan.
Joan and Marylin would've been a fantastic combination in a film together!
I do rather disagree with that statement. I do consider Marilyn Monroe Ji to hath been rather more classical than was joan. I rather do not consider any person to be physically ugly as such and do not think that Marilyn Monroe Ji did e'er use the word to describe a person's appearance the way in which joan on the contrary rather DIDST in Interview as I hath myself viewed.
@@kiranjitKaur61, Ji?
@@valuecalc Ji is a rather commonly term of respect.
@@kiranjitKaur61, in what language?
@@valuecalc Indian.
You know she's not BSing when the story is the same over decades.
Joan looks so much younger with less make up in the Ruby Wax interview
It's a rough business. It was then, and it's worse now. Back then the exploitation was behind closed doors. Now sex scenes are virtually always mandatory, on top of the casting couch crap.
Take it back to the old days when Gable carried Harlow into the bedroom and kicked the door shut. Better not to humiliate these ladies at all, but if you must, PLEASE stop making us watch!
Gable carried Vivian Leigh into the bedroom in Gone With the Wind. In what movie did he do that with Harlow?
@@SEJ3333 Hold Your Man (1933).
It's worth watching, at least until the part where the Code forced them to send Jean's character to a reformatory. The first half is one of those witty Anita Loos con artist tales.
@@StellaWaldvogel I Love the Old Hollywood Hayes Code, everything about it.
@@SEJ3333 That is what I initially thought too.
Nice to hear some nice things about Marilyn Monroe
These dirty old dog tails have been going on since the silent movie ere.
Well Joan did not become the huge star Marilyn did but she was not abused as badly either and able to grow older and not be completely exploited by the industry.
You try dealing with a Satyr like Warren Beatty
She had her affairs! She isn't telling on herself! You'll have read her books! They are amazing!!
Most of the film industry has always been garbage! Unbelievable what men and women have to go through to get an acting career! Finally now we're beginning to see victims of sexual harassment speak out!!! Its upsetting and sad learning what Marilyn went through. RIP MM❤
The entertainment industry is ALL "who you know". At every level. I recall being booked for my first union commercial as a featured extra. It was exciting, a major jump for me--and the money was the most I had ever earned.
But there were other people, younger than me, who had been working at the union level since babyhood. They grew up in the entertainment business, all of their friends were in it....their parents were well-connected.
Im sorry that Marilyn never lived to see the Me two movement but I’m very pleased Joan Collins has.
Joan may see it; but the Wolves in Hollywood, Corporate Corporations and School yards are looking for kids! 🙄
Marilyn Monroe Ji does not appear to have been a Feminist. Marilyn Monroe Ji LOVED Men. Good on Marilyn Monroe Ji.
She kind of look like Rachel McAdams.
I feel so bad for actresses. Having to choose between success and sanity.
At least she had her big career after 40 and 50. Like the male actors. Marilyn was long gone by then.
But she wont have a legacy anywhere near Marilyn's. Marilyn's been gone over 50+ years and her image is still going strong
Engma 49 That’s because she has become a trademarked symbol of the Fifties. Marilyn Monroe INC.
As a middle aged bitch who gossiped behind peoples backs, suppose your right. Marilyn was only 36yrs old when she was murdered for keeping her mouth shut.
That line in "300," of the kings remarks of the diseased old priests and the prettiest young girls etc
Harvey Weinsteins of that era...so sad for these actresses...
I had of course heard of the "casting couch" before and was well aware that back in the day of major Hollywood studios that no actress would have been immune from it, but this was the first time I had heard what Marilyn may have actually had to do to become the star that she was.
Men got cast couched as well. Tony Curtis admitted it
@@Tawadeb Wow...didn't know that. I applaud Tony Curtis for being willing to speak up about that. Considering how significantly more 'conservative' Hollywood was 'back in the day', this information definitely piques my interest.
OMG! Joan with Ruby wax reminds me of Dannii Minogue sweet bashful and very good looking!
I am not a fan of danielle minogue whom has rebelliously promoted lgbtq from early on and controversially. There is nothing Sweet about that, the way that I can see it.
Mister Trump Ji is Great and has supported Religious Rights and Religious Freedom. Mister Donald John Trump Ji is Gold in todays world of modern celebrity. Mister Trump Ji is the True Star of today's celebrity world whom bought it back to the Golden Age and Old Hollywood.
Obscurity is really the better option.
Marilyn Monroe Queen 👸🏼 Of Queen’s Will Always Live on ,,, Love 💓 From Pakistan 🇵🇰
Jeez old tired men...yuch...now we have Harvey..
Bill Fleming Weinstein or Levin?
Bill Fleming dont forget hugh hefner - he is no better and yet revered by most.
Bill Fleming and a dead Epstein ✅
@@kimberlymason7080 Hef, wasn't Hollywood! Hollywood came to him for girls!
Your old to
I'm sure she's correct.
Its just how it was back then. Women wanted a part they get on the casting couch.
"Back then"? And not JUST women.
Joan never recovered from the fact that Elizabeth Taylor did Cleopatra and she was film industry Holywood Star, like Bettie Davies, Joan Crowford, Brigitte Bardot or Sophie Loren or divine but tragic and most iconic and legendary of them all ( who never got even an Oscar, despite being its biggest legend of all the time) Marilyn Monroe. Joan sadly never smashed Hollywood. But she did make herself a big star and legend in America and Europe and the World on TV. Joan Collins was a massive TV smash star, in Dynasty, and she deserved it. But then Joan was not in her 20, the 30s as the rest of the girls, she did it in her fifties? but that is even more applaudable and should garner her more respect but she does not even realize it herself. She did it when most of the girls go retired, but she made herself the name and stardom like no one before her. Anyway, Joan is a big star and legend, but she should give up with these "wolves"..." she should now stop, and grow up after all these years and stop bitching non stop about "wolves" of Hollywood, well they did stop her in the end with Hollywood career, ok fair enough, but she got it back on TV :) so move on Joan!
I notice she adds to the story every time she tells it. lol
No, she doesn't. She may say things differently but the story is exactly the same. Get a clue. "lol"
Many actors embellish their stories , for example Burt Ward has been busted many times for stretching the truth ("the tigers in Catwomans pit were real !")....they do this so they can tell stories at cons , the more people seem interested the more bs the celeb makes up = instant revenue
Joan Collins....................The most beautiful woman EVER!!!!!!
Before landing on Dynasty, Joan made two unintentionally laugh-out funny bad "C"-movies, both bordering soft porn, one called "The Bitch" and other called "The Stud", so you can guess the nature of the movies. In one scene, a guy actually goes down on her. Times must've been tough for Joan to accept those roles. What was she thinking??
shihlin1 her sister Jackie Collins was the author of those books by the way....
She needed to eat. To keep working.
Joan was very pretty but a dreadful actress but has had the good fortune of a long life thanks to Percy let’s hope she lives to be a hundred for Percy sake
She's making fun of her when sexual harassment was funny then she's pitying her when it started to be taken seriously in society :( Joan, what the-?...
From what I heard .. Jane Russell (Marilyn CoStar in Gentlemen Prefer Blond) mentioned that Marilyn only liked older men (father figure).. She's never interested in younger men.
I think that was common in those days.
Joan again with her WOOLFs;)!!! As Bette Davies or Sophia Loren or
She lookslike liza minelli
I wish she would name them. Dead or alive, these disgusting men deserve to be publicly shamed!
Hansel & Gretel
When actresses were classy and intelligent
Stony P yep, spreading a dead woman’s private dirty laundry about how many cocks she had to suck to get jobs is super classy!
Joan, snitching on Marilyn being on her knees; when she herself did the same thing! People who live in glass houses, should not throw stones! 🙄
LOL BULLSHIT LOL
yea those predators theyre everywhere in every job placement
Dame Joan Collins dignified behaviour is impressive.
Joan was very pretty in the first interview.
Marilyn was realy smart and knew what was happeninh i just kind of dont understand why she would stick to that when she knew it was toxic and bad for her and other people. i would like to think acting was really her passion and thats the one thing that made her feel like she belonged and maybe she cared about what other people thought. she was a beautiful soul just a little lost.
Poor Marilyn
So sad
Poor girl
I think she had elocution lessons
I don't know if I believe Joan Collins
I don't, either. She seems to enjoy sullying Marilyn's reputation. And she strikes me as a rather vain and narcissistic person.
Joan, was telling on Marilyn, when she herself was on her knees! 🙄
Marilyn Monroe Ji has been said to have refused the casting couch.
Joan seems nice but strikes me as an opportunist
Lustforchanel ... Isn’t every actor an opportunist to an extent? You’re attempting to get good roles in movies
Secular Humanist I don’t mean it that way. It’s just some things you keep private or maybe just rarely talk about it. If Joan was such a good friend to Marilyn where was she when Marilyn’s career was slumping at the end?
Lustforchanel ... Well 1) she’s like 10 years younger than her and 2) she lives in a different country and was probably busy working and might not have known, it should have been her family and close friends her age looking after her
@@dmoney9285 Apparently according to her psychiatrist, Marilyn Monroe Ji felt rejected by those closest to herself at the end.
If Marilyn had not submitted to those men in control, we would never have heard of her. Marilyn did not want to do that movie The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing because it was just exploiting her sensuality and not because "She was too old". Marilyn was at a point in her career where she could tell a studio no. I wish she had done the movie. Joan had to make that up as a cover for why she did the movie.
Marilyn looked innocent despite the sexual things she had to endure for her career.
Harry Weinsteins....the wolves at the studio....#metoo
The ‘casting couch’ is disgusting and still happening..Weinstein.
And what's the name of the other ... stein in the same league ? Please.
Not just for women...
oh please Joan we remember the movies Marilyns movies and just like Dynasty you were replacing Sophia Loren in the beginning as in dynasty you were known for the disasters some would call relationships were in the that first debacle the the girl in the swing had nothing to do with age clearly thanks to the extraordinary work on Joan face she looked older then.
One of the worst actresses ever. Anyone remember the movie Empire Of The Ants.
joan acts like marilyn was the only one doing what she had to do to get roles and that she ONLY got roles because of her alleged infidelities with studio bosses, and that she continued to do this throughout her white heat fame superstardom which is a lie...... i doubt marilyn would have told joan personally EVERYTHING she did in the early years to get roles and do so specifically..
Huh?
People do talk to each other you know. It's not a stretch at all to think Marilyn would give another rising actress advice like Joan says. There is no mystery at all in that. And Joan never said Marilyn used the casting couch for ALL her major roles, just her early ones. Watch the video again you ass.
thomas schmitz gosh
thomas schmitz I didn’t get that impression at all
I heard Tony Curtis talk about this on Larry King when it was MM birthday tribute. Curtis said Marilyn did do exactly what Joan said. In fact when Curtis said this the rest of the panel were upset he said it.
This could have very well been the case, however, the way she is saying it.....definitely not coming from a genuine place. The gesture and the way in which she spoke, in saying that Marilyn was leaving to become a serious actor was very demeaning. This is coming from an unbiased place, I have no dog in this fight. With any disingenuous person, even if it is a fact, they will always have their own spin in the way they say it in order to invoke a specific reaction in another.
I did not interpret it that way. It seemed more matter of fact.
Larry King is always clueless, he had no idea Monroe died in 1962.
Jodie Foster is pretty 🙄
Pretty didn't get MM where she was.😊
Jodie foster is an lgbtq person. Jodie does not interest me.
JOAN LOOKS VERY BEAUTIFUL HERE BEFORE SHE GOT OLD AND HAGGY!!!!
Get ready to look in the mirror soon.
No symbol of class . . . but amusing.
Got a paper bag..????
So why all the fuss about the past???
Diva? Collins? In her own mind perhaps.
Try Thinking For a change Your comment shows a person who doesn't have a clue on Joan Collins career...
What career? She acted in a lot of movies, but what did she accomplish?
Dakdouk Roula hmm well let's see...she took a failing night time soap and made it a World Wide smash hit.
She is a Diva and a Dame! Besides she didn't title this video.
Joan Collins is absolutely iconic
Harvey Weinstein SMDH!!!
Awfull quality.
I REFUSE TO BELIEVE Marilyn did the casting couch.. just because most sluts did in Hollywood to get on, does not mean she did! I believe that's why they kept her in comedy type roles and would not let her progress into more dramatic performances. Just my view 🤷♀️
@Griffith Williams she did that to feed herself and survive. Nothing more. When she got famous and those photos came back to haunt her, she feared it would end her career, however the public were sympathetic to her situation and understood why she did those pics! And she continued to blossom
Shame these woman had to preform on there knees to get a movie part ! All your higher ups were mostly men of the Jewish faith
joesph gallo yeah why don’t you call that out. And while you’re at it, how about all the priests who abused children, all in the Catholic faith. How about all the Kennedy’s too? They are the one’s responsible for her death.
Being totally honest tho - they didn't HAVE to.
Putting aside rape, which probably also happened/happens in that scenario, it was a choice made. That said, the whole thing, right up to today, is a horrible disgusting cruel (shall we say evil?) way for people with power to manipulate others. And the more innocent and vulnerable the victim, the more evil the act.
Did you have to go there Joanie ole girl ? Smh. Hater.
That interview from 2003, OMG she looked so young still. And she was already 70 years old. Why did her face age so awfully from 2003 until the last few years? Nowadays her chest area is very wrinkled and covered with sunspots.
bluedasher74 Because that's what happens when you hit your "golden" years. Do really think people still look sexy over the age of 70? Joan was lucky to still be sexy at 50-70 period lol No matter who you are age hits you like a wall
It's called aging.
Yup...time waits for no one!
bluedasher74 You know there's a Double Standard when it comes to aging, right. As a culture we tend to comment on a Woman's age & looks MUCH MORE than with a man. We all age, sooner or later if we survive. Some "wear their age" better than others.🎂
it's called aging. and there is a limit to what the plastic surgeons can do.
Joan Collins is a pretty woman but she's far from beautiful.
Yes ! because she’s stunning
you really can't put any weight in what Joan Collins says, she has always had a habit of injecting her own interpretation of what happened on a particular instance, lots of half truths and intrigue to spice up her stories, after all she is a novelist.
@John3:16 Pitbull who? u mean Jackie Collins?
@Pitbull Romans 5:8 That was Jackie Collins!! 🙄
why talk about a dead person like this, just disgusting
Joan Collins not really that famous as an actress ...
woah! actress who cares? it's Joan Collins she's our Tallulah Bankhead our blast from the past. always interesting when JC appears on chat show
Trust me, NO ONE would ever put Joan Collins in the same league with MM, who was one of a kind.
People pay to see MM's movies, no one would pay a dime to see Joan Collins.
Come to think of it, WHAT memorable movies did Joan ever make ??
No, Joan, NO ONE would confuse you with Marilyn 😂😂😂
Joan was amazing in every way
I know I am.... Girl love Marilyn but she was NOT A NATURAL BEAUTY - She had a ton of work
You can say what you want, but Marilyn's magnetism and sensuality are still unsurpassed today
You need makeup for the Movies and the lighting! She worked out and ate healthy when preparing for a movie! She dud not eat out that much! Hollywood owned them!
you are so wrong. she did not have a 'ton' of work done. the only work thier is any evidence for is a chin implant and a very minor procedure on the tip of her nose, nothing that would significantly alter her. czcams.com/video/jOO8MpQAqr8/video.html&ab_channel=EntertainmentTonight
also all you need to do to see if she was a natural beauty is look at pictures of her when she was younger, before she could have had any surgery, and she certainly was
Hollywood had extremely high standards back then. Marilyn Monroe Ji's early modelling photographs and the factory photograph and early photographs show she was a pretty girl/beauty naturally.
We need to be warned from the wolves