Guitar neck DIY refret without special tools (except one)
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2013
- *2018 update: All the frets are still perfectly in place, nice and level, despite almost daily playing.
I put new frets on my strat recently, and I thought I'd share the process. It's a pretty risky process, as it is very easy to hurt the fretboard. I took a pretty unorthodox approach, in that I didn't use any special tools except for the fret crowning file. I gave the frets the exact same radius as the fretboard's 9,5" (instead of over bending, which seems more common), so that they're tension free and don't want to pop out. I removed much of the tang barbs, I felt they merely served to damage the fretboard upon removal, whereas using my method, they'll leave everything intact when they're pulled out. Without most of the barbs, there's still enough friction to hold in the frets, and the two drops of super glue help prevent any risk of them going anywhere.
I also made my own fret bending tool. It took a long time to bend the frets to exactly 9,5", but in the end I managed.
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Ha! I knew there was a way without expensive tools. Well done ol'chap. I have been working on my own guitars now for about eight years. I am continually finding ways to repair without expensive tools. I recently found a way to cut my own nut using an exacto knife, a cheap set of nut files found on Rondo Music website, and those welding tip cleaners. I cant understand the mentality of the "Guitar Snob". They act like you are commiting a sin if you do something on the cheap or buy an inexpensive guitar. I really appreciate you sharing with others!
I appreciate your comment. I still don't have a nut file set, when I do come across them they are so ridiculously expensive that I always make due with improvised tools. Works fine, but takes a lot more time than a decent file set I guess. Maybe I'll make an alternative method vid on filing a nut to upset some more guitar snobs;) Thanks again
Check out Rondo Music. On the Home page, click Accessories. Scroll down until you find Omega TK-001 Tool Kit. it has nut files. They are crude but work for ruoughing in a blank nut. Once it is roughed in, finish off the nut slots with welding tip cleaners. Worked great for me! Poor Luthiers UNITE!
Thanks, will check that out. I was thinking maybe using some metal from a soup can or something and serrating an edge to create a make do slim file... Cheers
@@camel747 next vid.. how to make due.
@@camel747 please could you explain what is a nut file set? (english is not my mother language)
Thanks so much for showing this. I am doing a project on an old little flatback mandolin that someone nearly destroyed with a terrible paintjob, and I think it needs new frets, but I didn't want to spend a ton of money for a ton of special tools just to fix a mandolin I bought for a few euros on ebay :)
Thanks for this, it was the only video I found that didn't tell me I need a soldering iron and some fret pullers. Now I have a fretless bass (my first) that works perfectly fine for me, and it was quick and surprisingly easy to do! Once again, thank you. =)
You're welcome! Glad my video could be of help
Nice one man, I have an old epi les Paul that needs a re fret and you’ve given me some great tips to make it a cheap process.
Thank You ! Loved it , and gave me the confidence to do it myself !
YOU ARE AWESOME! I always wanted new frets, but it was mad expensive to have them fitted.
this is great!!, ive read about a glue in ,method for refretting before, but this is teh first time i'm seeing it!!! thats great
Good no-nonsense video. Straight to the point. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Thank You for the video!! I appreciate you getting right to it, covering all the points and made it short and sweat! Perfect Video 😊 I have a couple old squier necks that have good wood but terrible frets. Ima do it for sure!
Thanks! For what it's worth, I'd leave a little more of the tang than I did in this video to have a little more friction. Good luck!
I think I gave up on the notion of a DIY regret about minute 2... Seeing as how I don't even have non special tools, lol. But I gotta say, working on your own guitar does give a rewarding feeling, and connects you with the instrument way more.
Great video! Thanks for posting!
Thanks! It was my pleasure!
Love your work l've been doing Fret work for some time now but l like your method l'm certainly going to give it ago
Awesome job! I can feel the guitar love...
+r0ss79 Thanks for watching!
Good work, thanks for the video. You're an artist my friend.
Awesome job look fantastic. My 80s strat badly needs refretting but I been putting Of for years too afraid to take on th task. Gonna follow your technique. Know this vid is a bunch of years old now but I’m glad I found it. Cheers.
hey, im looking to refret my guitarist's first guitar as a birthday gift, how did it go if you followed through on refretting your strat?
@@chasethebishop Still haven’t done I’m sorry to say. Bought a new guitar and have been playing that one more. Still want to do it eventually. Good luck with your project
That sure made things look a lot more simple.
Thank you! Exactly what I needed to see! :)
You're welcome!
Wow! Great job!! Very nice. I wish had that kind of patience with my guitar. Nice playing & tone! Peace
Thanks!
Very different and interesting way of doing this....
Very clever mate. Nicely done.
great job and very straightforward video
Thanks!
You did a great job with that.
Nice work.
thanks for the video and great job. I would have like to have seen how you pulled the frets and with what tool
Thank you for sharing 🤗 and well done 👏👏👏
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Well done man, that's great work :-)
Thanks!
Wow! Thanks Camel747 for an inspiring video. I have a cheap surplus guitar neck from a telecaster copy (which I replaced the neck on) which has totally knackered frets, big dips in them so way-way beyond any sort of levelling. I'll be taking heed of some of your methods together with the limited info I already have and having a go at this. Nothing to loose apart from the cost of new fret-wire. Videos like yours are inspiring and invaluable to people like me. Many thanks and best wishes to you. :-)
You're very welcome! About your tele neck: if it's worn, that might mean it's a good neck that invites much playing. And the board doesn't need to be level at all, just the fret slots (which presumably are still level). Cheers and good luck!
Thanks Camel747. I've removed frets 1-7 by heating with soldering iron then gently lifting them out with a stanley blade, all went suprisingly well. The frets above 7th don't appear to have much wear strangely! I ordered a pack of 24 medium frets from Ebay (relatively cheap) which arrived today so looking forward to having a go. The pre-prepared frets are the ideal lengths with slight overhang to be filed to shape. I have a rubber headed mallet and a few drops of superglue at the ready. This is a first for me but looking forward to having a go. Thanks again. :-)
Ashley Elmaya great, let me know how it turns out!
Thanks, Well it worked out really well. Cleaned out the fret slots and blew any debris from them. 3 drops of superglue (1 in mid, 1 either side). Located fret over slot and pushed down to tightish fit, tapped in with rubber head mallet (sides then middle, then sides again), seated them nice and tight - all 7 frets only took 15 mins or so. Left glue to set then filed sides to smooth to side of fingerboard, shaped down with small file copying orig frets. Tested for level, only 2 frets slightly proud so filed to level. Shaped fret bevel contour back in with minature file. Polished - Wire wool then car polish. Quite suprised myself - Looks like a pro job. Thanking you again. :-)
Nice! Glad I could be of some sort of help!
very awesome and helpful
Thanks for watching!
Thanks. They did slide in, but not so easy that they'd fall out on their own. As there's no force pulling them out of the fretboard, I think they should be fine. I'll update the video if I encounter any problems. But for now I'm feeling rather confident and cocky about this refret:)
Very good job and nice tone of your strat. :) Regards.
thanks!
nice. you make it look easy
Nice work!
They're staying in perfectly. I think I heated the frets when I removed them, but I'm not sure. I don't think they were glued in. It's not hard pulling them out, although the fretboard may chip a bit. but that's easy to repair. Good luck!
great job bro! thanks for the tips.
Thanks and you're welcome!
It's incredible that it plays
It still plays awesomely (unlike me:), thank you very much
Nice licks!
Thanks!
Cool. Thanks for the inspiration!
You're welcome!
Awesome job! Good music too.
Thanks!
You think outside the box. I’d have never thought to do it like you did.
I’ve got a maple neck tele that is in sore need of a refret and local shops are in the 400-500 range to do it. I’ve done leveling and recrowning on several of mine, so I’m not too unfamiliar with working the frets. Only real problem I see is trying to pick the right wire for replacement.
Thanks for sharing the vid.
Cheers!
As for width and height, the easiest way to find your preference is measure other guitars' fretwork (a very popular size and also my favorite is Dunlop 6105). As for the tang size, that is a matter of either measuring the tang of your current frets, or simply Dremel the new wire's tang down until a friction level remains that you deem fit (like I did, much to the dismay of many people of a more traditional nature:). You're welcome and thanks for watching!
Well done mate.
Thanks!
Excellent
thank you so much for the insight, i am building up the confidence to start performing basic mods on my own beloved axe. that being said, before i even consider placing a soldering iron any where near my high end ibanez j custom, ill practice first on some cheap ass $50 squire lol! cheers
THORGGERNAUT
Yupp! Everyone needs a cheap bass to take apart and put back together. Just make sure to take your time with every modification. Skipped steps or rushed projects are really noticeable on instruments
Yeah, best thing you can do is practice on a cheap guitar. I picked up a squier strat for something like 35 and it was perfectly playable, so that one will be my practice guitar when I need to do more than a restring and set up on my show guitars.
Nice! I think Ill take a crack at it!
cool job. thinking about doing this to my mim neck. is it stil holding up? did you check how level you got the frets in after fretting but before levelling? cheers
I would love to do this at least once if I had the time😔
good for you! good work taking off the fret tangs, some will skip that and end up back bowing their necks. I have 2 strats I need to refretting but I'll probably do 1 this week.....jt
Thanks for watching!
Gear up for a refret on my acoustic and yours is the best, clearest explaination so far. Although ieould like to see the hammer you banged them in with and how you measured the final fret board radius.
I removed enough of the fret wire's barbs so that I was able to push the frets in by hand. I matched the radius purely by holding a piece of fret wire over the fret board and eyeballing it, and bending it until it matched almost perfectly. I might have checked it against the guitar's factory specs. Then I matched the radius of the rest of the fret wire to the initial piece.
And thanks for watching! Let me know how your project turns out if you like.
Nice job!
+Rob Cullen Thanks!
OMG I was thinking to do the exact same thing but I thought there got to be a reason no one does that! I mean pre cutting and rounding the edge of the fret and cutting the stems on each corner. I guess the reason luthier won’t do this is that it’s very time consuming but for us who are doing one in a blue moon it worth the time and effort. I have a American strat but it’s too expensive to have it done in the music stores and I don’t want to spent the exact money to buy whole bunch of tools and then do it myself either so I was thinking about this method in order to not damage the wood or the finish on the side of the neck. I’m glad to see that it’s doable and it wasn’t a crazy thought. In fact now that I know I can all the rough part out side the neck, I’m thinking to go with stainless steel frets so I don’t have to do this again. But I’m a bit worried about the change in tone and feel which I’m very sensitive about. Once I referetted my Mexican Telecaster with narrow tall fret which is a popular choice but I regretted since it made the neck feel like scalloped neck and give you the perception of high action while it is not! One the other hand since it was narrow I didn’t need much crowning (I didn’t have crowning tool anyway) and also since it’s tall there are lots of rooms for errors and mistakes or Rae-levelling. Anyway, thanks for sharing this video.
Just a heads up: Working with stainless steel is tough, it can eat your time and tools. Personally I like the tradeoff of nickel silver in terms of toughness/easy-to-work-with-ness. As for my unconventional method, I think you nailed it :" I guess the reason luthier won’t do this is that it’s very time consuming but for us who are doing one in a blue moon it worth the time and effort"
@@camel747 Hey! I’m so glad to see your reply. I browsed through your videos and I noticed that you haven’t posted anything new for few years which made me a bit worried. You are a strange dude and amazing guitar player for sure! Your funny videos made me laugh so hard. 🤘
@@theleftymonster Aww you're too kind! Lemme know how the refret goes!
Great job man. I'm about to do the same thing to my Chinese cheapo flamed neck. I got it for $40 and the frets are a mess. They're pretty much all lifting so a set of pre-bent $12 Fender frets should do the job.
Looks good
Wow ... pretty cool. Thanks for sharing. :)
Thanks!
this video is a treasure chest! thank you so much!
quick question, tho: I have a guitar with a lacquered maple fingerboard. how would I go about refretting that? mask out the fretboard and leave only the frets and fret slots unmasked, or sand out the lacquer then re-lacquer afterwards?
You're welcome! As for the lacquered neck, I guess I'd remove some frets first to see if they were added before or after it was lacquered. But I have zero experience with refretting lacquered necks.
Good luck!
A smarter option is to sand it with a radius block after removing frets. Then use tung oil to finish the board again (thin coat) then refret
Are the frets staying in good? I am thinking about attempting to do this. Was it hard pulling the frets out? Did you have to heat up the frets to get them out?
Great man!
i'll do it too on mij Japan Fender Contemporary Strat 1987..
Awesome work! I will do it as well! One question, if I buy pre-radiused fender frets l guess I will not need the special tool to radius them again, just install, and also, after removing the older frets, what kind/size of grit paper did you use?
Thanks! It'll only work if those pre-radiused frets exactly match the fretboard radius. To the best of my knowledge, pre-radiused frets are rarely an exact match and are usually over-radiused, expecting the tang to keep them from popping out. With less tang like in this method, any radius mismatch will surely result in frets not holding. I don't remember the grit of the sanding paper, but I likely started with 400, and ended with 600 or 1000. Good luck!
a fret-job on a stratocaster in my illustrious town now goes for a cool $750.00. i do think it requires some innate aptitude and/or training, but frets are pretty basic and more people should learn how by practicing on instruments which are not expensive... thanks for your no-frills method video...
VERY COOL...LOL..THANK YOU..I'M DOING MY PRS NOW...A FRIEND GAVE ME ALL THE TOOLS
I'd argue the leveling block is a luthier specific tool as well in that most people don't have use for that. In fact.. The nail puller tool as you called it.. Yeah that too.. I'm making a shopping list RN if it's overly specific. TBH.. Kinda started from the opinion that people have fully stocked shops. Rotary tool.. Like bro.
The 'levelling block' is just a metal file with the handle removed. But you make a fair point, there's definitely tools involved that most people might not have. Maybe I should have said 'without'guitar-specific tools' or 'with basic hardware store-found tools' instead.
All my life, (and I'm 67 just now) people have said to me "man you can even make a shit instrument sound good" And its my playing technique that garnered those comments. I won't spend 3-4 thousand dollars on an instrument. One? Im a clumsy fuck and drop shit all the time. Two? Someone wants to steal my 3-4 K guitar because thats what they do. Three? With a little attention to detail you can get a 300.00 guitar to sound totally wonderful. I do that. I've never done frets. I've never had reason to. But my favorite Mexican Strat got dinged in a fall. My 20th fret came down on the arm of a wooden bench and the oak bench caught the fret just right? and pulled it up nearly halfway across the fretboard.I'm gonna repair it like this guy did. One fret? I aint scared.
That's the spirit! I'd love to know how it turns out! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for all your information boss!
You're quite welcome!
That's what I did to my $250 kramer, put a badass pickup in it and better hardware, now the bitch screams!
nice work man! just 2 little tips: if you heat the fret with a soldering iron before pulling it out you will get less chipping in the wood. And when crowning the frets you dont need the special stewmac file, you can round them with a small straight file, like some custom guitar builders( takes a little more work, but it gets the job done)
If I remember correctly, I did heat them up, but I might be wrong. Didn't know about the flat file. Thanks for the tips!
+de Witt you're welcome
Well done you. A couple of questions. What fret wire and why? I know John Suhr uses stainless steel frets.
and did you have to make any adjustments to the nut if you used bigger fret wire.
I chose nickel silver fret wire simply because it's easy to work with, and strong enough to last years. Gauge wise, I chose Dunlop 6105 equivalent. Nice and tall, which makes for easy playing (less force required to push string against frets because fingers don't press against the fingerboard but only against strings), and easy bending (better grip on the strings). As for the nut, I simply shimmed the original nut (don't remember with what), so the nut work was minimal.
Thanks for watching!
Camel747 Could you explain shimming the nut. I would have thought that the higher frets would make for raising it slightly.
ozbizbozzle I did have to raise it slightly. I put something underneath, but I forgot what I used. I can see it from the side, it looks like a piece of cardboard. But you could use anything you want, as long as it's not too soft.
Thanks!
I enjoyed this video. How did you know where to hold the bender for the correct radius.
I just applied pressure and ran the wire through until it matched the piece that matched the radius. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
I'm gonna try on a cheap dulcimer with badly worn frets. Thanks
I’m doing it on a lacquered maple fretboard. Would the sanding be necessary?
I don't know, you'd have to pull the frets first and see if it's still flat enough. If not, you can always re-polish to a gloss after sanding (if you don't go nuts with very rough sandpaper).
How can i tell if i need to change my frets on my guitar because my guitar is 7 years old and still good in shape but i observed last week that some of fret have buzz sound but othe frets is ok hmm why?
Your frets might be allright after just a levelling job. That'll make them slightly lower, though. A minimum height is a matter of personal preference.
@@camel747 ah ok thanks but its still playable if it is too low or its advisable to change all of the frets? Hmm i dont know but my fret is still good but have buzz sound on the some of the part.
@@AngeloLuis22 How low you like them is a matter of personal preference. Some like to feel the wood, others like higher frets for easy fretting / bending
Thanks cheers
Thanks for the video.
Whats the technique for crowning the frets with a normal file?
Federico Silva I don't know...
a steady hand and lots of tape to protect the fret board
Minimalist tools, perfect job.
Thanks!
I’m thinking a new fender neck would be the easiest and safest option. That’s why they are bolt-on. But what do I know? I play Les Pauls.
It would be way easier, but you can always do that as a last resort anyway. Ironically though, Les Pauls' necks are more fragile and more likely to benefit from a bolt on attachment;)
What were the new frets and what did they replace? Thanks, Steve
The new ones were some brand's version of 6105's, and the old ones were the lower and wider stock ones.
@@camel747 Thanks!
If you eschew the use of a fretguard whilst using the fret crowning file then at least tape over the fingerboard to protect it!
How come you would need to sand the fretboard?
the tang will do some damage when you pull it out no matter what, but you can sand it and fill the tiny chips and will look fine.
Replacing fret wire is far easier and far less time consuming then learning to play a guitar.
without special tools
Sweet! Are you using a regular coarse file at 3:30?
Yes, it's just a basic metal file with the handle removed
I like the music. What's the name of the band?
Thanks, It's my own composition.
Thanks! Where did you purchase the fret wires, if I can ask?
+Xianwen Chen either guitarsupply or StewMac I think
Thanksl
i hate to make all the haters cry but the glue will bond fine ...2 drops may not be enough ...you could kinda work it in thru the sides easily w extra thin crazy glue
How did you pull them?
With little nail puller pliers that I had ground flat. I heated the frets before pulling them out in order to weaken any glue that might have been under there.
how do you set the radius on the bender machine?? :)
By pressing down on the little wheel and bending until the wire has the desired radius:)
Thank you :) , Trial and error, right?
Yeah, I just ran it through multiple times until I had exactly the fretboard radius. Thanks for watching!
Check the cost of a refret near you. If it is more than the guitar is worth, and you feel comfortable doing one, why not? If all this guy's frets fall out, then he can take it to a repair shop and hasn't wasted much for his effort. And, his refret might just work.
That was my reasoning, too. I believe a local shop charges about twice the price of this Bullet. And the frets are still sitting merrily where I put them:)
😎👍
Great video. But I think you should have left the barbs on the fret wire. Two drops of super glue might not be enough to hold the frets down if the frets just slide in. Let us know if the frets come up.
Hi, just an update: the frets have held up nicely to frequent playing.
let’s hear the rest of lenny there ;)
Ha well spotted;)
1st song name?
I wrote these songs myself, so it doesn't have a name... Feel free to name it;)
@@camel747 i name it awesome
@@TrollersJustice Haha thanks! Awesome it is.
@@camel747 u don't happen to have any tabs for me for that song? As a beginning guitar player i'd really love to learn that!
@@TrollersJustice I don't have tabs, but I think the main (all barred) chords are:
Am Amsus4 Am Amsus4 G Gsus4 G Gsus4 F F F F E E* E E* E**
(E* = open E chord but one half step up, E** open E chord but three half steps up)
sus4 is just one note above the third, for all these chords that means fretting the G string two frets above the root of the chord (7th fret for Am, 5th fret for G, and so on)
Hope this helps!
Glued frets don't work, as Parker found out the hard way. They eventually work loose as the adhesive loses strength as it ages.
Well, they do seem to last at least seven years;)
@@camel747 About the same as Parker lasted :-D
Good enough for me, it's real easy to glue them back in.
like jackass it should say do not try this at home. I need to change 1 fret thanks for the tips legend!
Best to do yourself, it's not rocket science, far easier then learning to play a guitar.
not really a risky process with a $75 dollar guitar.. one good thing about fender, they have disposable necks.
that was the whole point of the bolt on
James Rockford new Fender necks sell for $200-400. It's cheaper to do it yourself.
You can get a new neck cheaper than having it refretted.
One slip with that Dremol tool would've hindered your guitar playing for a while. Other than that was a cheap refret. Which can be stupid expensive !
I've slipped and hit my fingers many times, but apparently either the disc isn't sharp enough or my skin is Dremel proof because I remain unscathed...
Pleaaase use a tool to fixate whatever you're cutting or grinding with the dremel tool, fingers don't reattach as easily as your frets do. Otherwise, fun to see a different method!
It's ok, I've hit my fingers countless times. The RPM's are low and the disc has no teeth so all of my fingers are still there. Thanks for the concern though:)
:18 lots of tiny chunks of wood at the edges of the fret slots came off when you pulled them out. :( That's not what you want to happen!
That's exactly why I decided to castrate the tang:)
But by then, it was too late! Isn't there a way to remove the old ones w/o lifting those little chunks? I saw some vids where people were heating the frets b4 pulling them. ? Just wondering because I think some older fretboard may be like that from people putting too much lemon oil on etc. Maybe gluing them in works ok but bottom line, if it's your axe, you can do it any way you want! I just thought there must be a safer way to avoid that crumbly look at the edges once the old ones were out (before, I mean). thx
The heating of the frets upon removal is to break the bond of any glue holding the frets in, it wouldn't prevent chipping. Part of the chipping on my neck is no doubt due to my crude methods, but I believe it is a common problem, especially on older guitars. I think the luthier's method is to just glue the splinters back with, you guessed it, super glue:) I wasn't that patient.
But the thing is, if the frets are glued in, you can prevent chipping by heating it when removed. If it's held in by just a wide tang, there's nothing you can do to prevent it.
Your last comments are true. Removing them is easier when glued in. That makes sense. So, if you glued them with say 3 drops, ends and middle, then you should have a decent bond if the neck doesn't swell from humidity/heat, right? If it's a stable neck, then gluing... should be fine, I think. If you radius it perfectly, then it should rest on the fretboard and the glue just keeps it there. Interesting stuff. thank ya!
TruthSurge You summed up my assumptions nicely:) Still, I think there should be some friction left between fret and fretboard. Just not so much... Thanks for watching
That one to the right looks short 5:10.
av3nger3 Just checked, and although the fret is a tiny wee bit shorter than the rest, it looks worse because the filling underneath shows a gap. Certainly don't notice it while playing. Thanks for watching
Camel747 Yeah I just noticed. I will check this out again when I do put new frets on some day. Great video!
av3nger3 thanks!
Wow, you completely splintered the wood. I saw that on a strat you're supposed to slide the fret out, not pull them. I saw you sanded them so to each their own.
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"Yeah, I hate the way people refret necks. I do it real simple: I sand them down with some 400 wet-or-dry sandpaper and then use some steel wool. I hate flat frets because the more space you have for the string to rest on, the more room you have for the intonation to be off. I like big frets height-wise, but I make them come to a peak. From a side view, one of my frets would look like the tip of a pick. It doesn't come to a complete point, but it would be rounded as opposed to flat. Another thing is that you have to put them in from the side rather than from above, and a lot of people take them straight out and rip the wood. I toured the factory and saw how they did it and said, "No wonder I ruined so many fenders by pulling them straight out!" "
How the fuck do you slide them out?? Then your just chipping a bit of wood on the side instead of the top.. and that cant be sanded back either..
are you kidding me? your tension from the barbs is supposed to hold them in place glue is there ONLy to fill gaps. Jesus.
could have done without the background music
I'm sorry my beautiful and glorious composition made you go through the trouble of muting the video and typing the comment ;)
Brilliant. Loved it. Cant wait to start doing mine. Ignore the pompous self righteous haters. You're video is pitched just perfect for us minions.
Thanks! The frets are still neatly in place after almost 4 years now. So ha! Thanks for watching
Camel747 But the po-faced guy at the top of this comments thread guaranteed us that your method would not hold. Are you suggesting that self righteous people on the internet can be wrong? :) /s
Noooo, I would never suggest such a thing. The facts do that for me:)
good example....of what to NEVER do...
Oh please... They're still right where they're supposed to be. I don't mind criticism but at least offer some arguments for it.
Beautiful job and screw all the wanna be know it alls. If you're happy with it, then that's all that matters. Jealous pricks. Well done.
Thank you very much!