16:14 Regarding Yhwach and the Quincies, there's a bit more to it than that. The anime from flashback in episode 24 fleshes out more of Yhwach's motives. In that scene he seems more like OMZ and in his motivations he sounds almost heroic when talking about the plight of the dead and the fear they have in the final moments of their fleeting lives. Yhwach experiences that fear vicariously through the memories of the Quincies that he gains as his soul fragments return to him. While his fear of returning to his original state is his intrinsic motivation, for his actions, he does seem to have a deeper motive, that being to free humanity from that fear of death creating a new world where the living and dead (the spirits) all exist in one world free of that suffering and fear. Regarding Royd Lloyd and Yhwach, Kubo actually revealed more about what happened and clarified that Royd basically assumed Yhwach's memories and imitated his personality perfectly so that Yamamoto would not be deceived. Royd was indeed acting how the real Yhwach would have done. If you look at some of the poems giving some of Yhwach's own thoughts, it seems his sadistic persona is more like a sardonic mask like how Aizen's narcissism and superiority complex is a mask for loneliness. He's a walking contradiction and does indeed despise conflict and killing, yet relishes the thrill of battle, and wages brutal war all for the sake of the original world, a world where he can live freely circulating his soul without killing those around him. Kubo in an interview described Yhwach as having a "germanic motive." If you study German military history, which as the Empire was based around Prussia, it focused on the collective benefit rather than an individualistic motives. This was the nature of the highly militarized state of Prussia that dragged itself out of obscurity into a major great power. Yhwach in that regard does value his Quincies to some degree, but he places a greater priority on the larger goal and is pragmatist in the most extreme sense willing to attain his goal at any cost. If you look at his past self a thousand years ago, he's more like a standard medieval conqueror, but after his defeat at Yamamoto's hands, he was humiliated and his empire along with everything else he built was destroyed. He came back bitter and jaded and took the monster that was yamamoto from a thousand years ago as inspiration. Regarding the Sternritters, his new iteration seems to be modeled on the old Gotei 13, with Yhwach gathering his own band of viscious killers. In the manga there's some lines where he expresses his disappointment with the Sternritters during the first and second invasion, admonishing for their lack of ruthlessness as they were more viscous than the expectedly ruthlessly efficient killers they were supposed to be. With how he interacts more warmly with his soldiers from the past, it seems he doesn't really regard the latest generation that well. It's not really surprising either as in the flashback, Argola protects the Quincy gunner girl from the attack Ichibei redirected back at them. In the current day the Sternritters are more likely to backstab each other and bicker with each other all to gain favor with Yhwach. None of their attempts really seemed to work, and the only one Yhwach chose to bring up with him was Askin who stayed out of that whole mess.
Yeah was heavily considering editing in an extra part that covered the cour 2 flashback (made this way back when cour one was airing) and all its implications. What stuck out to me really, was that there was a point in the past where Yhwach was a much more empathetic character. But he isn't that man anymore, and considering Rroyd imitated the current Yhwach, it'd stand to reason that he'd simulate those same traits. Traits even Yama knew of. Personally I believe it's actually the opposite, Yhwach desires to erase death from the world, not because of some altruistic desire to save humanity. Much like your idea, I feel his altruistic side is actually the mask, and his own selfish desire to escape death is his true desire. Or at the very least it's more consistent with his characterisation in the manga. Will probably go much deeper into that when I make a Yhwach character analysis video. Though with how the anime has depicted Yhwach, your take seems far more likely. The anime could be doing it's own thing with his character though, which really seems like the case. Also concerning Rroyd, Kubo only revealed that he could also imperfectly copy power as well. Nothing pertaining to how good of an actor he was, which was the focus of my analysis. In my opinion, the Klub answer honestly seems like a recent change on Kubo's part since it's pretty inconsistent with Yhwach's own statements from the manga. So I don't really give Klub answers a lot of weight unless they're consistent with the manga tbh. Glad you stopped by, hope to you see you in later videos
You wanna know why i love your analysis? Its not glorified recap you actually go into autistic detail and are willing to go into some Vaatividya levels of speculation in order to help support your thesis. This video and the Ichigo one made me realize that what i thought was a pool is in fact a huge lake and i was nowhere as deep in my understanding of a show i love.
When Yhwach killed Yamamoto, the power vacuum switched to Aizen. He was sealed off from the rest of the world in the deepest place in soul society. Upon his demise, Yhwach was sealed off from the rest of the world in the highest place in soul society. Yhwach unleashed something far worse
Hello! Just came here to say this, but this is the best analysis of the Yamamoto vs.Yhwach fight I have ever seen. The amount of detail and analysis you did is absolutely amazing. My favorite part of the video was the analyzing and the comprising of the Yamamoto and Yhwach fight and the Yamamoto vs. Aizen, fight that part, was great. Overall, this video was a fantastic analysis of this fight. Good job!
I really enjoyed listening to this analysis, leaves me with so much to think about particularly the theme of Pride. Yamamoto refusing to ask Orihime to restore his arm because of pride, Yhwach read his character and flawlessly executed his invasion to the Soul Society. It has also made me think of Byakuya and Kenpachi, the other two people who together have traits that i would use to describe Yama; pride and savagetry. Them three can be perceived to be the full representation and pillars of the Gotei 13 and Yhwach and the Sternritters seriously causing damage to them and death in Yama's case is him fully studying their leader and what it would take to bring him down (failure as you stated) by killing the Gotei 13 leader to destabilise them and soul society. Now i really would love a video on Yhwach, but i suspect so much more will be added to his character in the upcoming cour 3 anime.
This doesn’t change the narrative too much, but the gap in power between Yamamoto and Royd wasn’t that large. The fact that Bazz B offset Yama’s flames and the 3 Quincy still got one shotted, while Royd took the entire focused attack of Yama’s shikai’s flames + the force of Yama’s blade at the same time and only got a small cut on his arm. And Yama while rage amped and bloodlusted couldn’t hit Royd with East, Royd figured out how to counter West with Reishi based energy attacks, first by testing Yama out by shooting an arrow and seeing him deflect it rather than melt it away with West, and then using Church Song which forced Yama to emergency stop. And then he countered South as we’ve seen. Yama only beat Royd by using psychological warfare and mentally attacking Royd (which we know affects your power on Bleach), and having him recklessly run head first into North Another thing is I don’t think Yama didn’t raise his blade in the end because of pride. It contradicts how Yama reached out to stop Yhwach after getting cut in 2. Unless we say Yama had a sudden change of heart after being struck down
That's a a really good point. But concerning the last part, Yhwach also explicitly states that the reason Yamamoto was in the state he was in was because of the new found sense of pride and honor they gained after forming the gotei. So comparing the two, we have a one off physical reaction that could have honestly meant anything and a direct statement from the character (Yhwach) that confirms it was Yamamoto's pride he used to destroy him. When I weighed those two individual factors I found the latter to be far more convincing since it was more concrete. Also concerning the flames, I doubt Yamamoto's initial slash can be considered on the same level as the massive torrent of flames he used to take out the sternritter. Remember, against Yhwach, Yamamoto was still holding back. But against the attacking Sternritter, Yamamoto attacked with the intention to kill. Bazz-B's explanation confirms this. So I'm certain Yamamoto actually put far more effort into that attack than he did for the initial slash. He wanted to punish Yhwach, not insta-kill him. In addition, all of Yamamoto's strongest shikai techniques (nadegiri isn't one of them imo) all involve the raw power of his flames than their being condensed around his blade, which leads me to believe that is the most powerful iteration of his shikai offense. So it’s definitely stronger than what he used against Rroyd Also concerning the arrow, there's actually no proof of East being weak to reishi attacks. Since in the manga Yama actually casually blocks it with his bare hand, the change in the anime was more a stylistic choice. Also for some reason the mere activation of south was enough to instantly dispel sankt Zwinger, which was even before Yamamoto revealed who he had summoned. So it’s very clear Yamamoto just dispelled it with his superior reiatsu which further proves the massive gap between them. The psychological aspect was revealed purely to torture Yhwach. Not because it was strategy in my opinion. He even explicitly tells him something like zwinger won't work on him. And the fact that south's activation instantly negged it is enough proof What do you think though?
@@ResNovae You make good counter arguments, and I generally try to find the balance between power scaling and narrative to figure out how strong characters really are in any series, though Bleach has a lot of nuance. I always thought Royd and Yama were closer than most people gave credit for with Yama’s main advantage being the fact his Bankai has one shot hax while Royd has comparable or superior physical stats but no resistance to Yama’s one shot hax. One of the reasons I felt that way is because Aizen considered himself and Yama to be on the same tier of power but specifically noted that Yama’s Zanpakuto’s offensive capabilities makes him unsure if he’d beat Yama head on. And Yhwach later noting that the only reason why he told the other Quincy not to engage with Yama is because none of them could deal with his Bankai’s raw power in the same way Yhwach himself could. They key factor is both Aizen and Yhwach note Yama’s Zanpakuto as his trait that makes him especially dangerous. The fact that Yama wasn’t able to get through Royd’s blut enough to deal significant damage in Shikai, wasn’t fast enough to kill him with East in Bankai, and forcefully stopped himself from touching Sankt by emergency stopping and stabbing his blade in the ground leads me to believe that stat for stat wise, Yama and Royd weren’t far off As far as Yama’s big flame attacks in Shikai vs condensed ones, your point with his FKT showings do make sense, but the one thing going opposite of that is Yama’s Bankai basically saying the ultimate form of his Zanpakuto is condensing the flames. If we take the fact that Yama’s old Bankai before evolving was massive AOE explosive flame attacks, similar to his Shikai, is it a crazy assumption that if Yama in his later years learned condensing his Bankai flames is mastery of his zan’s raw power, then doing the same for Shikai would be as well? He even has at least one condensed flame slash. But…this is more of a side point, nothing really definitive. Many believe that Yama was holding back to humiliate Yhwach (Royd) but I believe he was going all out. He was rage amped (which boosts your stats in Bleach) and bloodlusted to the point where his reiatsu boosted the resolve of the Gotei. His first action after activating his Bankai was trying to blitz Royd, with the anime even adding the slo mo effect to emphasize the speed aspect. And right before Royd used Sankt, Yama declared how if he tried to run, he’d chase him down and kill him where he stood before charging at him. Yama was very arrogant as you noted in the Royd fight, and I doubt he’d acknowledge the fact that Royd countered 3 of his Bankai’s directions on first try, but if you really look at it, Yama only revealed new directions after Royd figured out how to deal with the one presented to him. Yama tried to blitz and annihilate him with East -> Royd opted the counter was to not let Yama’s blade touch him or his blade touch Yama’s. Yama decided to use West to let Royd destroy his sword, then tried to rush him down and charge into him with it activated -> Royd counters with Reishi based energy attacks. Yama saying the attack wouldn’t hurt him could he him being arrogant, and I think it’s supported by him emergency stopping right before he touched it. If he wanted to break Yhwach’s (Royd’s) resolve, he could’ve jumped into the attack, tanked it, then used South to add insult to injury. Royd countered South with just his physical strength, which is very likely weaker than Sankt even if we assume he amped his physical strength with Blut Arterie or something, so I believe Yama used South to disrupt the attack from below rather than Reiatsu negging it. We see it sort of break apart as the skeletons rise up. As shown with West, he’d stand there and tank attacks he thinks he could tank. I don’t think it makes sense for an attack strong enough to deal with Royd’s ‘ultimate attack’ would then be countered by his physical strength just after. Another thing that supports my idea is Kubo revealing Royd had taken on 70-80% of Yhwach’s strength. So if Royd at 70-80% isn’t strong enough to contain Yama’s Bankai but Yhwach himself is, Yama should either fall into that gap of being above 70-80% of Yhwach (Royd’s level) but weaker than or equal to 100% Base Yhwach from the first invasion if Yhwach can control Yama’s full power output in Bankai. This wouldn’t apply to 2nd invasion Yhwach as he absorbed the souls of every Quincy and Shinigami that died, which includes Royd and Yama at that point I think the power scaling and narrative aspect all support that, along with Kubo’s words in Klub Outside As for the pride thing, yes Yhwach did attack Yama’s pride, but I don’t think that would stop Yama from fighting back. This is down to interpretation, but I think pride would be the reason why Yama would fight to the end. He’s the type of person that’s willing to Jill himself and his allies if it means victory for the greater good as shown in the Aizen fight (not like the past where his allies were just casualties). Even when he was defeated by Aizen’s tactics, he was willing to sacrifice an arm permanently as a last ditch effort We see him reach his arm out to stop Yhwach in the same way after getting cut down. Considering the fact that Aizen in FKT implied that the stronger you are, the harder it is to put you down or even render you unconscious with severe injuries and we’ve seen people cut in two able to survive as long as they get medical help, I believe it wasn’t just an automatic response, but a genuine effort by Yama to stop Yhwach
Yamamoto didn't defeat Yhwach 1,000 years ago and it's actually shown that his luitenant struck the final blow as he and the original Gotei 13 jumped Yhwach. The power gap between Yhwach and Yamamoto is actually quite large considering that everyone in Squad Zero is individually stronger than the entirety of the Gotei 13 with a PRIME (two-armed) Yamamoto, and only Ichibei is stronger than a pre-All Mighty Yhwach.
I'm pretty sure the anime explicitly showed that it was Yamamoto who landed the final blow against Yhwach, not sasakibe. Sasakibe just landed a cheapshot that created on opening for Yamamoto to actually finish him off. Saying sasakibe was the one who defeated Yhwach is like saying uryu defeated Yhwach, not Ichigo because he was the one who shot the still silver arrow. Or saying because the final battle with Yhwach was a team fight, it wasn’t Ichigo who defeated him. It doesn't work that way. The person who lands the final fatal blow is the person who wins the victory. Case in point, Yamamoto defeated Yhwach. Also I never said Yhwach and Yama were relative, I only said that wasn’t enough reason for Yamamoto to give up the fight. And I think you're really underrating just how much more powerful Yhwach grows from the first invasion to the second invasion before his battle with Ichibei. I personally believe he was still stronger than one-armed Yamamoto but he was still weaker at the start of the first invasion. It's with all the deaths of the shinigami and sternritter that buff him to the level he reaches in the squad zero fights. Would like to hear what you think though, I could be wrong
@@ResNovae Yhwach doesn't gain anything from the shinigami dying since they don't have his soul imprinted on him, Yamamoto possibly an exception since he was in direct conflict with Yamamoto and Yamamotos zanpakuto drew blood from him, and so few Quincy died in the first invasion and they were some of the weaker ones (Minus maybe Guilge) that it wouldn't be that big of a difference between the first and second invasion.
@@Frstypwngaming actually Yhwach does. It is explicitly stated that anyone who comes into contact with Yhwach's soul or people with Yhwach's soul fragments within them will also have their powers and souls given to him upon death be it either shinigami or quincy. Check chapter 565. And I'm talking specifically about his power growth from the first invasion to the second invasion before his fight with Ichibei. Literally every person who died in the war had their powers added to his own according to 565. Though it would appear that the anime might retcon that since the anime didn't adapt that line of dialogue
You are wrong with your first comparison: the reason why bazz b didn’t bleed is he has the quincy schrift h. Which he explains in the manga at one point. Beside that i like your video. Quincy are also able to make blut vene/arterie stronger. Uha during the fight with Ichigo
You might have misunderstood what I meant. I didn't mean that bazz b not bleeding was the issue. What I was saying was that since he could soften the blow with his own flames even though it was made with murderous intent, he handled it a lot better than Yhwach. In addition to the fact that the pinnacle of Yamamoto's offensive abilities in shikai is actually him attacking using massive amounts of flame. So it was a more powerful attack than what he used against Yhwach. Meanwhile Yhwach was bleeding from a less serious attack, just a basic slash from a Yama who by his own admission was holding back till Yhwach drew his sword. Bazz B's feat is significantly more impressive than Yhwach's. Which shouldn't be the case. That was the point I was making. Thanks so much for watching
Really sorry for the bad audio, been sitting on this one for over a year. Next ones should be significantly better
Okay you got me, Yamamoto vs Yhwach was way deeper than i expected.
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Regarding Yhwach and the Quincies, there's a bit more to it than that. The anime from flashback in episode 24 fleshes out more of Yhwach's motives. In that scene he seems more like OMZ and in his motivations he sounds almost heroic when talking about the plight of the dead and the fear they have in the final moments of their fleeting lives. Yhwach experiences that fear vicariously through the memories of the Quincies that he gains as his soul fragments return to him.
While his fear of returning to his original state is his intrinsic motivation, for his actions, he does seem to have a deeper motive, that being to free humanity from that fear of death creating a new world where the living and dead (the spirits) all exist in one world free of that suffering and fear.
Regarding Royd Lloyd and Yhwach, Kubo actually revealed more about what happened and clarified that Royd basically assumed Yhwach's memories and imitated his personality perfectly so that Yamamoto would not be deceived. Royd was indeed acting how the real Yhwach would have done.
If you look at some of the poems giving some of Yhwach's own thoughts, it seems his sadistic persona is more like a sardonic mask like how Aizen's narcissism and superiority complex is a mask for loneliness. He's a walking contradiction and does indeed despise conflict and killing, yet relishes the thrill of battle, and wages brutal war all for the sake of the original world, a world where he can live freely circulating his soul without killing those around him.
Kubo in an interview described Yhwach as having a "germanic motive." If you study German military history, which as the Empire was based around Prussia, it focused on the collective benefit rather than an individualistic motives. This was the nature of the highly militarized state of Prussia that dragged itself out of obscurity into a major great power.
Yhwach in that regard does value his Quincies to some degree, but he places a greater priority on the larger goal and is pragmatist in the most extreme sense willing to attain his goal at any cost.
If you look at his past self a thousand years ago, he's more like a standard medieval conqueror, but after his defeat at Yamamoto's hands, he was humiliated and his empire along with everything else he built was destroyed. He came back bitter and jaded and took the monster that was yamamoto from a thousand years ago as inspiration. Regarding the Sternritters, his new iteration seems to be modeled on the old Gotei 13, with Yhwach gathering his own band of viscious killers.
In the manga there's some lines where he expresses his disappointment with the Sternritters during the first and second invasion, admonishing for their lack of ruthlessness as they were more viscous than the expectedly ruthlessly efficient killers they were supposed to be. With how he interacts more warmly with his soldiers from the past, it seems he doesn't really regard the latest generation that well.
It's not really surprising either as in the flashback, Argola protects the Quincy gunner girl from the attack Ichibei redirected back at them. In the current day the Sternritters are more likely to backstab each other and bicker with each other all to gain favor with Yhwach. None of their attempts really seemed to work, and the only one Yhwach chose to bring up with him was Askin who stayed out of that whole mess.
Yeah was heavily considering editing in an extra part that covered the cour 2 flashback (made this way back when cour one was airing) and all its implications.
What stuck out to me really, was that there was a point in the past where Yhwach was a much more empathetic character. But he isn't that man anymore, and considering Rroyd imitated the current Yhwach, it'd stand to reason that he'd simulate those same traits. Traits even Yama knew of.
Personally I believe it's actually the opposite, Yhwach desires to erase death from the world, not because of some altruistic desire to save humanity. Much like your idea, I feel his altruistic side is actually the mask, and his own selfish desire to escape death is his true desire. Or at the very least it's more consistent with his characterisation in the manga. Will probably go much deeper into that when I make a Yhwach character analysis video. Though with how the anime has depicted Yhwach, your take seems far more likely.
The anime could be doing it's own thing with his character though, which really seems like the case.
Also concerning Rroyd, Kubo only revealed that he could also imperfectly copy power as well. Nothing pertaining to how good of an actor he was, which was the focus of my analysis. In my opinion, the Klub answer honestly seems like a recent change on Kubo's part since it's pretty inconsistent with Yhwach's own statements from the manga. So I don't really give Klub answers a lot of weight unless they're consistent with the manga tbh.
Glad you stopped by, hope to you see you in later videos
You wanna know why i love your analysis? Its not glorified recap you actually go into autistic detail and are willing to go into some Vaatividya levels of speculation in order to help support your thesis. This video and the Ichigo one made me realize that what i thought was a pool is in fact a huge lake and i was nowhere as deep in my understanding of a show i love.
Thanks GOAT
Autistic detail?
When Yhwach killed Yamamoto, the power vacuum switched to Aizen. He was sealed off from the rest of the world in the deepest place in soul society. Upon his demise, Yhwach was sealed off from the rest of the world in the highest place in soul society.
Yhwach unleashed something far worse
Yo that's a pretty cool observation there
The more you dig deep in Bleach, the more you realise its crazy well written
Hello! Just came here to say this, but this is the best analysis of the Yamamoto vs.Yhwach fight I have ever seen. The amount of detail and analysis you did is absolutely amazing. My favorite part of the video was the analyzing and the comprising of the Yamamoto and Yhwach fight and the Yamamoto vs. Aizen, fight that part, was great. Overall, this video was a fantastic analysis of this fight. Good job!
Wow, thank you
What I'm always surprised about with Bleach is there's ALWAYS something beneath the eyes. It's so deep when you start analysing
Kubo is really just HIM tbh
Damn, you really broke this down really well. glad you're back
This is one hell of a video, coming from a long one piece viewer. Well done
Glad you enjoyed it!
Keep grinding bro this is good content
Thanks so much buddy
I really enjoyed listening to this analysis, leaves me with so much to think about particularly the theme of Pride. Yamamoto refusing to ask Orihime to restore his arm because of pride, Yhwach read his character and flawlessly executed his invasion to the Soul Society. It has also made me think of Byakuya and Kenpachi, the other two people who together have traits that i would use to describe Yama; pride and savagetry. Them three can be perceived to be the full representation and pillars of the Gotei 13 and Yhwach and the Sternritters seriously causing damage to them and death in Yama's case is him fully studying their leader and what it would take to bring him down (failure as you stated) by killing the Gotei 13 leader to destabilise them and soul society. Now i really would love a video on Yhwach, but i suspect so much more will be added to his character in the upcoming cour 3 anime.
Dw, I 100% plan to do a series of Yhwach videos based solely on what we know about him from the manga. So dw about that at all
😂😂😂" it is the SoulKing who he have absolutely Zero respect for" 😂😂😂
Insane video bro you got my vote! Would love for you to do an analysis on that jugram scene when he dies
Absolutely, there's a whole lot planned in the future
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Nice video! There are some points I didnt agree with some points like Yamamoto go all out to Bazz B
That's perfectly fine buddy. Glad you watched it anyways!
I loved your gremmy analysis and ever since I’ve been keeping up 🔥
Finally back after a while huh, see you next year then. Jokes aside, really good video and putting it in my repeat playlist.
Lmao I might stick around a bit longer this time, you will be surprised lol
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Kinda unrelated but.... i wanna have old man Yamas eyebrows if i make it to old age.... Also this was a good video i subbed.. Thank you!
Respectable, they go exceptionally hard
Great insights
Keep up
Just a little correction. The three Quincies that jumped at Yama where As Nodt, Bazz B and Nanana not Mask. Because Mask's uniform is still intact.
@@mariusyandereini7031 oh yeah mb, don't know how I missed that lol
@@ResNovae No problem man
This doesn’t change the narrative too much, but the gap in power between Yamamoto and Royd wasn’t that large. The fact that Bazz B offset Yama’s flames and the 3 Quincy still got one shotted, while Royd took the entire focused attack of Yama’s shikai’s flames + the force of Yama’s blade at the same time and only got a small cut on his arm.
And Yama while rage amped and bloodlusted couldn’t hit Royd with East, Royd figured out how to counter West with Reishi based energy attacks, first by testing Yama out by shooting an arrow and seeing him deflect it rather than melt it away with West, and then using Church Song which forced Yama to emergency stop. And then he countered South as we’ve seen. Yama only beat Royd by using psychological warfare and mentally attacking Royd (which we know affects your power on Bleach), and having him recklessly run head first into North
Another thing is I don’t think Yama didn’t raise his blade in the end because of pride. It contradicts how Yama reached out to stop Yhwach after getting cut in 2. Unless we say Yama had a sudden change of heart after being struck down
That's a a really good point. But concerning the last part, Yhwach also explicitly states that the reason Yamamoto was in the state he was in was because of the new found sense of pride and honor they gained after forming the gotei.
So comparing the two, we have a one off physical reaction that could have honestly meant anything and a direct statement from the character (Yhwach) that confirms it was Yamamoto's pride he used to destroy him. When I weighed those two individual factors I found the latter to be far more convincing since it was more concrete.
Also concerning the flames, I doubt Yamamoto's initial slash can be considered on the same level as the massive torrent of flames he used to take out the sternritter. Remember, against Yhwach, Yamamoto was still holding back. But against the attacking Sternritter, Yamamoto attacked with the intention to kill. Bazz-B's explanation confirms this. So I'm certain Yamamoto actually put far more effort into that attack than he did for the initial slash. He wanted to punish Yhwach, not insta-kill him.
In addition, all of Yamamoto's strongest shikai techniques (nadegiri isn't one of them imo) all involve the raw power of his flames than their being condensed around his blade, which leads me to believe that is the most powerful iteration of his shikai offense. So it’s definitely stronger than what he used against Rroyd
Also concerning the arrow, there's actually no proof of East being weak to reishi attacks. Since in the manga Yama actually casually blocks it with his bare hand, the change in the anime was more a stylistic choice. Also for some reason the mere activation of south was enough to instantly dispel sankt Zwinger, which was even before Yamamoto revealed who he had summoned. So it’s very clear Yamamoto just dispelled it with his superior reiatsu which further proves the massive gap between them. The psychological aspect was revealed purely to torture Yhwach. Not because it was strategy in my opinion. He even explicitly tells him something like zwinger won't work on him. And the fact that south's activation instantly negged it is enough proof
What do you think though?
@@ResNovae You make good counter arguments, and I generally try to find the balance between power scaling and narrative to figure out how strong characters really are in any series, though Bleach has a lot of nuance.
I always thought Royd and Yama were closer than most people gave credit for with Yama’s main advantage being the fact his Bankai has one shot hax while Royd has comparable or superior physical stats but no resistance to Yama’s one shot hax.
One of the reasons I felt that way is because Aizen considered himself and Yama to be on the same tier of power but specifically noted that Yama’s Zanpakuto’s offensive capabilities makes him unsure if he’d beat Yama head on. And Yhwach later noting that the only reason why he told the other Quincy not to engage with Yama is because none of them could deal with his Bankai’s raw power in the same way Yhwach himself could. They key factor is both Aizen and Yhwach note Yama’s Zanpakuto as his trait that makes him especially dangerous.
The fact that Yama wasn’t able to get through Royd’s blut enough to deal significant damage in Shikai, wasn’t fast enough to kill him with East in Bankai, and forcefully stopped himself from touching Sankt by emergency stopping and stabbing his blade in the ground leads me to believe that stat for stat wise, Yama and Royd weren’t far off
As far as Yama’s big flame attacks in Shikai vs condensed ones, your point with his FKT showings do make sense, but the one thing going opposite of that is Yama’s Bankai basically saying the ultimate form of his Zanpakuto is condensing the flames. If we take the fact that Yama’s old Bankai before evolving was massive AOE explosive flame attacks, similar to his Shikai, is it a crazy assumption that if Yama in his later years learned condensing his Bankai flames is mastery of his zan’s raw power, then doing the same for Shikai would be as well? He even has at least one condensed flame slash. But…this is more of a side point, nothing really definitive.
Many believe that Yama was holding back to humiliate Yhwach (Royd) but I believe he was going all out. He was rage amped (which boosts your stats in Bleach) and bloodlusted to the point where his reiatsu boosted the resolve of the Gotei. His first action after activating his Bankai was trying to blitz Royd, with the anime even adding the slo mo effect to emphasize the speed aspect. And right before Royd used Sankt, Yama declared how if he tried to run, he’d chase him down and kill him where he stood before charging at him.
Yama was very arrogant as you noted in the Royd fight, and I doubt he’d acknowledge the fact that Royd countered 3 of his Bankai’s directions on first try, but if you really look at it, Yama only revealed new directions after Royd figured out how to deal with the one presented to him.
Yama tried to blitz and annihilate him with East -> Royd opted the counter was to not let Yama’s blade touch him or his blade touch Yama’s.
Yama decided to use West to let Royd destroy his sword, then tried to rush him down and charge into him with it activated -> Royd counters with Reishi based energy attacks. Yama saying the attack wouldn’t hurt him could he him being arrogant, and I think it’s supported by him emergency stopping right before he touched it. If he wanted to break Yhwach’s (Royd’s) resolve, he could’ve jumped into the attack, tanked it, then used South to add insult to injury.
Royd countered South with just his physical strength, which is very likely weaker than Sankt even if we assume he amped his physical strength with Blut Arterie or something, so I believe Yama used South to disrupt the attack from below rather than Reiatsu negging it. We see it sort of break apart as the skeletons rise up. As shown with West, he’d stand there and tank attacks he thinks he could tank. I don’t think it makes sense for an attack strong enough to deal with Royd’s ‘ultimate attack’ would then be countered by his physical strength just after.
Another thing that supports my idea is Kubo revealing Royd had taken on 70-80% of Yhwach’s strength. So if Royd at 70-80% isn’t strong enough to contain Yama’s Bankai but Yhwach himself is, Yama should either fall into that gap of being above 70-80% of Yhwach (Royd’s level) but weaker than or equal to 100% Base Yhwach from the first invasion if Yhwach can control Yama’s full power output in Bankai. This wouldn’t apply to 2nd invasion Yhwach as he absorbed the souls of every Quincy and Shinigami that died, which includes Royd and Yama at that point
I think the power scaling and narrative aspect all support that, along with Kubo’s words in Klub Outside
As for the pride thing, yes Yhwach did attack Yama’s pride, but I don’t think that would stop Yama from fighting back. This is down to interpretation, but I think pride would be the reason why Yama would fight to the end. He’s the type of person that’s willing to Jill himself and his allies if it means victory for the greater good as shown in the Aizen fight (not like the past where his allies were just casualties). Even when he was defeated by Aizen’s tactics, he was willing to sacrifice an arm permanently as a last ditch effort
We see him reach his arm out to stop Yhwach in the same way after getting cut down. Considering the fact that Aizen in FKT implied that the stronger you are, the harder it is to put you down or even render you unconscious with severe injuries and we’ve seen people cut in two able to survive as long as they get medical help, I believe it wasn’t just an automatic response, but a genuine effort by Yama to stop Yhwach
7:55 poison taster is more of a job for servents of royalty to taste food/drinks for posions in case there's an assassination attempt.
I'm well aware, I just found it deeply hilarious how God needs someone to taste his food for poison for him lol.
@@ResNovae yeah lol
Yamamoto didn't defeat Yhwach 1,000 years ago and it's actually shown that his luitenant struck the final blow as he and the original Gotei 13 jumped Yhwach. The power gap between Yhwach and Yamamoto is actually quite large considering that everyone in Squad Zero is individually stronger than the entirety of the Gotei 13 with a PRIME (two-armed) Yamamoto, and only Ichibei is stronger than a pre-All Mighty Yhwach.
I'm pretty sure the anime explicitly showed that it was Yamamoto who landed the final blow against Yhwach, not sasakibe. Sasakibe just landed a cheapshot that created on opening for Yamamoto to actually finish him off.
Saying sasakibe was the one who defeated Yhwach is like saying uryu defeated Yhwach, not Ichigo because he was the one who shot the still silver arrow. Or saying because the final battle with Yhwach was a team fight, it wasn’t Ichigo who defeated him. It doesn't work that way. The person who lands the final fatal blow is the person who wins the victory. Case in point, Yamamoto defeated Yhwach.
Also I never said Yhwach and Yama were relative, I only said that wasn’t enough reason for Yamamoto to give up the fight. And I think you're really underrating just how much more powerful Yhwach grows from the first invasion to the second invasion before his battle with Ichibei. I personally believe he was still stronger than one-armed Yamamoto but he was still weaker at the start of the first invasion. It's with all the deaths of the shinigami and sternritter that buff him to the level he reaches in the squad zero fights.
Would like to hear what you think though, I could be wrong
@@ResNovae Yhwach doesn't gain anything from the shinigami dying since they don't have his soul imprinted on him, Yamamoto possibly an exception since he was in direct conflict with Yamamoto and Yamamotos zanpakuto drew blood from him, and so few Quincy died in the first invasion and they were some of the weaker ones (Minus maybe Guilge) that it wouldn't be that big of a difference between the first and second invasion.
@@Frstypwngaming actually Yhwach does. It is explicitly stated that anyone who comes into contact with Yhwach's soul or people with Yhwach's soul fragments within them will also have their powers and souls given to him upon death be it either shinigami or quincy. Check chapter 565.
And I'm talking specifically about his power growth from the first invasion to the second invasion before his fight with Ichibei. Literally every person who died in the war had their powers added to his own according to 565.
Though it would appear that the anime might retcon that since the anime didn't adapt that line of dialogue
@@Frstypwngaming would really appreciate hearing your thoughts on future videos too, so defo stick around
You are wrong with your first comparison: the reason why bazz b didn’t bleed is he has the quincy schrift h. Which he explains in the manga at one point. Beside that i like your video. Quincy are also able to make blut vene/arterie stronger. Uha during the fight with Ichigo
You might have misunderstood what I meant. I didn't mean that bazz b not bleeding was the issue. What I was saying was that since he could soften the blow with his own flames even though it was made with murderous intent, he handled it a lot better than Yhwach. In addition to the fact that the pinnacle of Yamamoto's offensive abilities in shikai is actually him attacking using massive amounts of flame. So it was a more powerful attack than what he used against Yhwach.
Meanwhile Yhwach was bleeding from a less serious attack, just a basic slash from a Yama who by his own admission was holding back till Yhwach drew his sword.
Bazz B's feat is significantly more impressive than Yhwach's. Which shouldn't be the case. That was the point I was making.
Thanks so much for watching