What About Anxiety And Depression?
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2021
- Many with chronic pain and other chronic health issues also often struggle with anxiety and depression. Here's my take on these very common issues.
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In my personal experience anxiety is an exact equal tms symptom. Mine would switch from severe pain to severe anxiety in a moments notice. I had 6 months straight of daily anxiety attacks (brutal) with zero pain, then those left and pain came back 10 fold, literally the next day! Lol. When I started to heal, anxiety went through the roof. Then depression hit like a freight train, also tms. The brain does that puts focus on the body is tms.
Thank you for sharing your experience and insight Joseph.
My experience is the same. Like you said, “exact equivalent.” I could transform the pain and fatigue to anxiety at will for a while. But unfortunately have yet to resolve the anxiety, hopefully one of these days soon.
This happens with me as well constantly.
Excuse me just wanting to know how long did it take to get over the depression episodes and how’d you deal with it
There is anxiety and then there is through-the-roof chronic anxiety. On the latter it is certainly a learned behavior, a kind of habit, and it certainly creates physical symptoms. Plus its likely in most cases rooted in trauma. So in that sense I think anxiety and TMS are two sides of the same thing essentially. Its the FEAR of pains and symptoms that drives TMS
Chronic fatigue and depression have the exact same physical symptoms. I think anxiety and depression are due to unacceptable feelings we think cannot face. The worry is a distraction.
Hope so much you are right !!!
I’ve been meaning to comment on this post. I really think A & D is part of tms. I suffered with it on and off in my teens and throughout my life from childhood traumas. The last time I had it, I realized and learned what it was and vowed never to let myself to go through it again. And it didn’t until my brain found another way to get my attention focusing on pain all over my body when I didn’t sustain any injuries. That definitely got my attention and because I couldn’t hardly walk, stand or sit, the A & D came back with a vengeance because I couldn’t enjoy my life!! When I learned about tms, the pain disappeared. When the pain disappeared, the A & D disappeared.
Love it. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Hy Goldberg
Iam suffering from severe depression And physical bodily pain symptoms(neck upper back and lower back pain burning sensation in eyes, cheeks mouth and throat for last 3 months, iam taking two psych meds present.. can i tapper of both clonazepam (0.5 mg) & vortioxetin (10mg) have been using for 3 weeks only.. I don't want to stay on these pills which cannot give me relef rather more I'll feeling.. Please advice me n ur support needed 🙏 iam eagerly waiting for ur reply, I don't want to regret in future help me.. Does his idea helps me to overcome depression and physical pain also.. Please help me out
I have found that anxiety and depression correspond to the symptom imperative. I can trade physical pain for anxiety or depression for a little pain vacation-It does vary things but I certainly wouldn’t recommend it.
That experience definitely confirms that your body is not the problem at all. Structural pain doesn't go on vacation.
I like Dr. Sarno and your videos, Thank you. CBT works for me and although you mostly talk about pain the principles apply to anxiety. I have to pay attention and catch my negative automatic thoughts that always reflect in my stomach. This method works and it’s a constant battle that we have to have to fight. The trick “Talk to your brain” Thank you again for your videos
You are welcome.
I can definitely attest to the fact that anxiety and anxiety attacks can be brought on by TMS symptoms. I have never felt that I have had depression on anxiety to any great degree but it definitely did affect me to the point of hyper ventilating a few months ago.
The best way of coping with hyperventilating for me was looking at it with humor( after a while, in the beginning I was really scared).. after realizing that it was only panic and I didn’t die from it .. I started saying: well well there we go again.. and challenging it not fighting it.. after a few months they just disappeared..
Thanks for sharing Larry.
Well said Inge.
@@Inge508Im going to try to apply this strategy to depression...cause to live in fear and depression day yes, day no is very very tiring and scary ...
Im glad you touched on this. We can get better even Anxiety and depression . I’ve been there thank God I’m through the depression. I still get anxiety from time to time but I know those feelings will pass. I’ve been to psychologists and psychiatrist and they have their place but most of them have no idea about TMS . I wish I would of had a psychiatrist that knew about mind body illness and pain . I would have probably not had to get on antidepressants and anxiety medicine. I was on all that shit for awhile . I had to ween myself off all of it and that is no picnicky lol. Some doctors will keep you on it because they don’t have any other treatment.I’m sorry but if you get the right kind of TMS approach therapy you can really start to understand what is wrong with you and have hope. Dan your videos are therapy I’m telling ya ! Dr Schubner addresses TMS and anxiety and depression in his workbooks.
Thank you Joanie. Sorry you went through these experiences.
, iam suffering from severe depression And physical bodily pain symptoms(neck upper back and lower back pain burning sensation in eyes, cheeks mouth and throat for last 3 months, iam taking two psych meds present.. can i tapper of both clonazepam (0.5 mg) & vortioxetin (10mg) have been using for 3 weeks only.. I don't want to stay on these pills which cannot give me relef rather more I'll feeling.. Please advice me n ur support needed 🙏 iam eagerly waiting for ur reply, I don't want to regret in future help me.. Does his idea helps me to overcome depression and physical pain also.. Please help me out
Hy Miller!
I know depression and anxiety causes every symptoms. It may be TMS
iam suffering from severe depression And physical bodily pain symptoms(neck upper back and lower back pain burning sensation in eyes, cheeks mouth and throat for last 3 months, iam taking two psych meds present.. can i tapper of both clonazepam (0.5 mg) & vortioxetin (10mg) have been using for 3 weeks only.. I don't want to stay on these pills which cannot give me relef rather more I'll feeling.. Please advice me n ur support needed 🙏 iam eagerly waiting for ur reply, I don't want to regret in future help me.. Does his idea helps me to overcome depression and physical pain also.. Please help me out
That is so very, very well said, Dan - thank you❣️✨🙏🏻 I seem to suffer from ME/CFS, but the Baby Steps you suggest are letting me ease away from that affliction. Absolutely LOVE your videos!!! What you are spreading is Healing Energy... Blessings from Zurich, Switzerland
Sometimes we wake up anxious because we had a nightmare.
That can happen
Yes I have nightmares in the morning before I wake up and such dreams are exhausting.
God bless you Dan.
Thank you!
Thank you for another amazing video. Self love self awareness and feeling a sense of inner peace that ypu are safe is the healing balm or salve that helps us heal from anxiety depression and pain. Therapy is okay as long as you find a counselor that is solution based. Talk therapy that goes over and over ypur trauma can perpetuate more anxiety as ypu really begin to overfocus on how messed up ypu are instead of.loving yourself.. ( at least in my experience)
You may not be a licensed therapist but your approach is an approach therapists shpuld be using
Many blessings!❤
Thank you Marjie.
From my experience of clinical depression, anxiety, pain and chronic fatigue they are all the same thing just different symptoms from the same source of a frightened brain.
One can flare up and then the others fade away and cycle back around.
Yes, a fearful brain causes all of that.
I would also like to add that I think in most cases it is due to environmental factors causing emotional stress. Not always but a large percentage. I always find it interesting how many people who have recovered have either changed their work environment or their home environment (usuall through a separation). Just my take on it 👍🏻
I've have had depression intermitently BEFORE the ciatica ache in my left leg. The problem really began when the phisical pain in the leg began and I had to stop walking as an exercite to produce dopamin and help me out of depression. Actually before the pains in the left leg, I was happy and didn't know ... Now I have to face depression WITHOUT the benefits of walking ...
Focus on teaching your brain that you are okay. My fast start playlist will deepen your understanding of what is causing the pain and what to do about it. czcams.com/play/PLRJmnkn2kTTIl4frNvmpenr49xcTmVl2H.html
Depression is sadness + no hope. Know that you can end your pain. That hope will help the depression lift.
@@PainFreeYou Thanks so much for taking the time to answer me and for the avise Dan. I Will do it !
DR. SARNO IN PRESCRIPTION BOOK CLEARLY SAYS ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION ARE EQUIVALENTS OF TMS. MY TMS PHYSICAL PAIN WENT AWAY AND IN ITS STEAD ANX AND DEP STEPPED IN.. DR. SARNO CITES A FEW CASES IN THIS BOOK LIKE THIS.
THE NAME OF THE BOOK IS PRESCRIPTION. SORRY ABOUT THAT
MINDBODY IS NOT BEING PRINTED
Sarno's book "The Mindbody Prescription" is still available. www.amazon.com/Mindbody-Prescription-Healing-Body-Pain/dp/0446675156/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=mindbody+prescription&qid=1633611645&sr=8-3
@@nancyrussell6598 , iam suffering from severe depression And physical bodily pain symptoms for last 3 months, iam taking two psych meds present.. can i tapper of both clonazepam (0.5 mg) & vortioxetin (10mg) have been using for 3 weeks only.. I don't want to stay on these pills which cannot give me relef rather more I'll feeling.. Please advice me n ur support needed 🙏 iam eagerly waiting for ur reply, I don't want to regret in future help me.. Does his idea helps me to overcome depression and physical pain also.. Please help me out
Has anyone used Dr Sarno’s book to improve their depression? Thanks. 🙏🏼♥️
Thanks 4 video,
Agree, back pain, entire body/muscle soreness without doing any physical thing to ring that soreness on has a lot to do with being stuck, in a funk, depressed state, anxiety.
Many times the soreness & pain lessen or stop once we learn to lift our mood, other times it's calming our anxiety. Sometimes instead of meditation we should do anything to loft out current mood & that suddenly brings calmness as well.
Lessen hopelessness, knowing this isn't physical & will eventually lessen symptoms & pass helps.
Thank you Dan. Your daily videos are gold for me. I will not miss a day. So very helpfull. Thanks again. I wonder, do you have a video on somatic tracking?
Thanks - see my response above.
All pain is perceived danger or threat so to me anxiety is TMS or TMS is anxiety. Anxiety is fear and chronic pain creates fear for most people and therefore anxiety. Anxiety definitely creates pain or creates the conditions for pain to flourish. I personal feel there are overlaps between all these labels but fear/danger is the hallmark.
Yes, perceived danger is what creates all of it.
I have been using the TRS approach to pain for the anxiery and depression I have. Claire Weekes books are also spot on as well. And it works. An anxious brain NEEDS to hear I am ok..there's nothing wrong with me etc erc
When my bladder problem kicked off two years ago I immediately went into chronic anxiety as had such fear about what on earth is wrong is me. I freaked out big time. Then started clenching my stomach and glutes with fear and tension and now have chronic pain through the constant tension and because of all that I got depressed. Also had and having stressful and hopeless life so for me it all was and still is connected. This is my experience. As I live alone and can't work I get scared and so am stuck in this loop of pain anxiety and depression. The depression was not so bad but has now become severe just like the pain and anxiety. Hopelessness here on my own and all 3 things really entrenched now. I'm sure most of it is due to living alone and stuck in house a lot. Can't drive far because my butt pain is so bad. So this leave me isolated which fuels the whole lot.
Julie - if your brain can learn all this fear, you can teach it safety. How are you doing implementing these consistent messages of safety?
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@@PainFreeYou I try very hard to believe. The pain is so so bad and it never goes at all. Was with my oldest son and family today they came to see me and I still could barely engage or be distracted by the pain as it grips me. I would imagine there is severe inflammation now due to clenching for over 2 years now. On my mind 24/7. I did have few days back in April where it went away as fight flight was off and relaxed. Not been able to since and feel now it's so inflammed it won't ever go again. Thank you Dan as always.
Julie, you can get better if you follow Dan's advice on safety and realize that you are not broken. I am recovering after 30 years of severe lumber pain. Good luck!
@@peggymeyers1508 Hello Peggy thank you for reaching out. Did you suffer with depression too because of how the pain was? Care to share about your journey a bit ? Julie x
@@Julie-iw3mh Have you been able to achieve any recovery in the last year since you started commenting? I understand the demoralization of being at home disabled for many years. I think I had depression before I had the pain syndrome.
Wise words. God bless 🌷
there has not to be a projection to the future. Possible that anxiety is just a very distubing negative feeling. Just started (dec 2023) watching your videos but I have the idea to reprogramming the brain so that depression and anxiety will decrease. Unlearning the brain for automatic reactions.
Thank you so much Dan, this has really helped me today. You have an amazing way of explaining things that our mind likes to complicate! Blessings. Tara
You're so welcome!
I was shocked to hear you say anxiety is not a TMS equivalent, when in the Mindbody Prescription it says it is a symptom imperative explicitly. and in my experience it is. *Rolls eyes, now I have to work on understanding the connection between anxiety and TMS again.
For me personally when I journal speak about a life event that causes me anxiety, then create a plan to deal with that life event, the anxiety goes away. When I get TMS symptoms sometimes they appear as anxiety or physical pain. By journaling and believing these are just imperatives of an emotional phenomena both the pain and anxiety go away after a resolution.
You are the first person in the TMS world to refute this while I was researching and you have a great reputation to boot.
Sucks to have a reduction in belief.
Can you point me to where I said it is not an equivalent? I have listened to the video over again and in the part around 1:20 into the video I mention that people say it's an equivalent. Unless I'm missing something, I didn't say it's NOT an equivalent. I said people say it is and that I wanted to talk about it. I'm not dismissing the equivalence.
It's ALL related to mindbody symptoms. It's all related to perceived dangers. If what you have done with a TMS approach has provided you a benefit, don't let my video affect that positive result which you have personally experienced. Trust your results.
And again, if you can show me where I refute this, I'd love to know.
I'm relieved to hear that response from my personal understanding of TMS.
When we create videos the way the words come together are interpreted differently per person. I assume I was one of those people, which I'm glad you pointed out.
Sure, let me point out the section that I miss interpreted
Oh wow it was the first 20 seconds, then I got triggered and was hoping you would tell us that Dr Sarno discovered it as part of a mind body issue later on
Thank you for taking the time to clarify my interpretation :D :D
Okay, something to do as a Creator; if more people like me pop up you can create a pinned comment. :D. Well see how many me's are out there.
Has anyone used Dr Sarno’s book to improve their depression? Thanks. 🙏🏼♥️
Curious of this myself
In my opinion, depression is deep sadness + No Hope. Get some hope and you are left with sadness. Feel the sadness and that will eventually release. If depressed about symptoms, focus on eliminating the symptoms with an approach like I teach. Once the symptoms are gone, the depression will go too. Overall, perceived danger is the cause of so much. Mental health too. Safety cures so much.
Perceived Danger and Mental Health:
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What about anxiety and depression:
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I think A&D is the most TMS of all TMS’s .. because it’s the ultimate distraction, false alarm and hyper vigilance machine that the mind body has. Dr Schrubnier has a whole book on it.
Indeed.
Thnks dan for this wonderfull knowledge
It's my pleasure
My chronic pain comes when I get anxious abt my special care child.... This is a situation I can't change, how do I combat that... I have fibromyalgia
Stress isn't the issue. It's how we respond to it. You are right, you cannot change your situation, but it does not have to cause pain. Fibromyalgia is TMS which means your brain is creating the pain, not your body. Are you aware of TMS? If not, watch the video at PainFreeYou.com
Then, take the pain test: DanBuglio.com/paintest
If you want help with recovery, consider my course and group coaching. PainFreeYou.com/join
Often times when I get pain after walks/ physical activity I feel sad - how would I deal with it ?
First, understand that the pain shows up because your brain perceives walking to be dangerous, so the pain shows up to make sure you don't do that again. Changing your brains perception of the walk from dangerous to safe is key. The process here can help with that task: czcams.com/video/e3h8T_RK3_8/video.html
As for the sadness, allow yourself to feel it, but then move on with your day and reassure yourself that nothing bad happened on the walk. It's just that silly over-protective brain.
@@PainFreeYou - thank you that’s very helpful, Thank you for always responding and for all the information you are sharing ❤️
I have generalised anxiety disorder 😪
See if you can shift it from a "disorder" to something you have been experiencing. Try not to identify yourself as anxiety or even having a "disorder". Anxiety is reversible. Consistent messages of safety. czcams.com/video/5SsKnAgAvnY/video.html
@@PainFreeYou Thank you dan! I never expirienced TMS, but every things that you said on your channel are aplyable on anxiety. Bouths problems are from same source subconcious Mind and percieved danger. Everything that you teach is right information like back in sixties dr. Claire weekes in book hope and help for your nerves.
@@ivannovoselac3518 That's a great book. I only listened to that on Audible two months ago. I was quite pleased to see that her my concepts are in line with hers.
Sadness is sadness. Hopelessness is depression.
YES YES YES. Get some hope and depression fades away.
Do you have a video about somatic tracking Dan?
No, I do not. Nor will I. It is not a practice I used to end my pain. It's another tool in the TMS tool box, but not one I feel qualified to teach because I have not used it personally. Some find it helpful. Others don't. My understanding is that the goal is to observe your symptoms or pain from a neutral standpoint. My approach is to be indifferent when you notice your symptoms or pain. They are fairly close, but somatic tracking places intentional focus on the pain where I suggest we give the pain and symptoms as little attention as possible.
@@PainFreeYou Okay. I read about it in the book ‘The Way Out Healing Chronic Pain’ (Alan Gordon).
@@PainFreeYou I think in both cases the most important message is: don’t have fear for your pain because you’re safe.
@@wimkrol2233 Dag Wim, ik snap het idee van Dan en dat is ook echt behulpzaam. Daarnaast luister ik af en toe naar een meditatie van somatic tracking die ik op spotify heb gevonden. Het helpt mij juist om in het moment van pijn (zware migraine bijv. in mijn geval) hier naar te luisteren en me 'veilig' te voelen en o.k. Misschien is het ook iets voor jou, zie maar. Je kunt het dus vinden op spotify als je zoekt naar Somatic tracking van Praktijk LIJF. Een simpele meditatie en erg plezierig vind ik.
@@adrienne4481 Dankjewel!
anxiety is weird when it has to do with spiritual things, hard to know that what you are anxious about is imaginary lol
Understood.
My son at 7 said to me one day “ mom, ‘What if’ could be imaginary fear “. So when I catch myself saying in my head What if I know I am on the road to anxiety
@@PainFreeYou yes, don't go see horror movies about ghosts lol
@@carolynharpole2954 hehe, imaginary fear! your son is smart!