Just did this at my shop for a customer...drilled and tapped all 16 holes. pretty simple. did it in the car as well. used the Huhn kit as well. This really should be a recall.as KIA knows about it.
also my customers symptoms where a misfire on cylinder 2. bore scope in cylinder found coolant leak. removed valve cover and found multiple loose head bolts.
Should definitely be a recall. Absolute bull shit. Just did this on my moms car and she still owes 9000. I used a regular tap and die set. Probably a bad idea but its been working thank god.
How long did it roughly take you. My 3.8 Genesis blew a head gasket and threads came out after attempting to re install the heads. I am buying the hun kit today. I have rebuilt this whole engine myself I am 21 not trying to say I know a lot. But I have never done this type of work before. For example the best way to clear out the old threads and anything that might get in the way. I have replaced all the internals in engine . This block looks identical to mine. Any response or tips is appreciated
I am a machinist. This kit is exactly what and how I would do this in every detail, even to the dressing of the drill tip. Just but it, best value ever.
I just used this kit on my 2015 Kia Cadenza 3.3 V6 and it worked pretty well, was able to get the inserts in and they torqued to spec just fine. As long as you follow the instructions and measure right you will be fine. It was my first time ever doing this job but once I got started with a few it got really easy. I ended up doing the entire block.
did you replace the head gasket or just remove the bolts, tap, insert and install new bolts? I have a 16 sorento with what seems to be the same issue at 80k miles.
@@minitobe8525 I replaced every gasket except for the exhaust manifold gaskets, got the heads machined, replaced the waterpump and thermostat. I would say make sure your timing components are in good shape because you can replace those too if you want but would recommend it if you are keeping the car. My car started overheating at around 69k miles. I'm at 78k now and the car runs perfect
@@DontayCrowderLegend0141 got it. I come from mini cooper world and recently started diving into audis and vw. This kia was a good deal to pass. If i pressurize the coolant system, i get some pressure and then blow by. I wonder if that's head bolt issue vs head gasket. I will take both heads and do the timing while I'm there. It seems like it will cost about 1500 for parts and machine shop. Is that a close estimate? (I'm in USA)
@@minitobe8525 that's about right, I'm in the US too and I probably spent close to 2,000 in parts and tools, I was fortunate to find a repair manual with all the torque specs and sequences for the entire engine for free. The Sorento has the 3.3 too correct?
@@DontayCrowderLegend0141 yes that's correct. Do you have a link to that document to share? 2k isn't too bad. Any special tools needed? From the other videos, there doesn't seem to be any special tools. I could be wrong.
Kia quotes me 12k for a complete motor replacement and refused to fix. I had a ton of people on Reddit tell me to purchase this kit. I'm actually starting repair here soon. Fingers crossed all goes well.
Keep in mind there may be other factors affecting their decision not to attempt a repair. If there is significant coolant in the oil or the vehicle was severely overheated you may end up with issues after the repair. The one I did is still running strong but it was caught early and was not overheated. This one had some oil in the coolant and an external coolant leak from the corner of the front head.
@@nightshiftautomotive3985 they wouldn't even short block it. He, service manager, told me the dealership isn't trained to do anything but replace parts and diag bad parts.
@@nightshiftautomotive3985 I was shocked by the answer but hey I get to work on something new. I've been a Cummins mechanic my whole life (I'm 33)- 9, 12, 15, & 19 liter diesels... so this is a fun project for me to attempt. I have very little experience with Petro engines except a 5.3...anyways...I will follow up one day, I watched a few videos, enjoy the channel, thanks for the free information.
I got everything cleaned up, I put my bore scope down the head bolt holes, saw two with obvious damaged threads. Since the engine got pretty hot I wonder if it would be better to source a good used block and heads that were not overheated. It sustained a bit of internal rust while sitting. We had the big snow here in TX two yrs ago, I don't know if it had enough water in it to crack anything, no freeze plugs popped. I'm going to need to bore this one anyway. The crank is fine. The block decks are warped .0027 and the heads are .001 I read that getting aluminum hot weakens it.
The most impressive is how did you manage to remove cylinder heads with the engine still in the car? Even with engine out of the car it is not an easy job. By the way, taking the engine out is not as hard as you think. It took me about couple hours, no more. You don't have to separate it from transmission, just the whole unit. :-)
Just found your video! Thank goodness. I have this issue with my 2016 Sorento. Kia wants 5 to 7 thousand dollars to replace the short block. I'm going to take this to my mechanic and see if its something he can do. I'm surehe can, he's a top notch guy.
It’s a time consuming job but not terribly difficult. And it’s a permanent repair so it’s a great option. Let me know if your guy needs any more info. Good luck!
We had the same issue during our vacation road trip. So far KIA is honoring the 100,000 mile warranty. I have a question, will there be any permanent damage to the engine? I don't want the family vehicle leaving us on the side of the road again. Thanks.
@@Chingadazos so here is the follow up. I got the inserts and found a guy to do the job. He has done others in the past (Toyotas but not Kia). 6 to 7 thousand to do the job. Better then the 8k kia wanted but still to much. I ended up negotiating with Kia and they agreed to do a new small block (bottom end) and machine the top end and I pay for the labor only. In the end about $1800. Running great!
My 2016 Sorento SXL blew a gasket due to those stripped bolts. One would think KIA would've had a recall considering this occurs often My engine needs to be replaced and we're in that process now under my extended warranty.
Do you know where I can source some cam follower buckets? This motor had a lot of water in it, plus it sat for 3 yrs, plain water not coolant. The cyls and pistons are all bad. Maybe I need to source a better block and heads. my crank is fine...almost no wear. I don't want to get over budget but I am already, the engine rebuild kit plus the thread kit.....$1200.
Thank you for posting this! Only way I was able to figure out our car overheating issue. It overheats on long drives 3+ hours. How is this repair working now? My local mechanic swears our issue is a gasket even after showing him your video. Any advice?
Doe anyone know how much material you can remove from the deck and heads? I got about .001" warpage on the heads but .0027 on both decks. in the middle of both head and deck, so added together nearly .004" of space Also on mine I have a thing across the middle where the knock sensors go, I messed up the guide pin, it only serves to align one oring, I tried drilling out, its a mess now. I have a .25" deep hole there, I don't think it will hurt anything, its a blind hole. I think that port is the oil feed from the pump it goes across the top to the oil filter, Sedona.3.8, Plenty of room to apply a bead sealant outside the oring as a backup. As long as I center the bolt holes carefully should be fine. The other end has no dowel.
The threads looked fine to me coming out. A few of the bolts did feel looser than normal on disassembly. It wasn’t until I went to reinstall the head bolts that they stripped. But this engine was overheated severely. I’m not sure how common it is.
What do you do if a '16 Sorento has stripped head bolts that already have Helicoils inserted (improperly it appears)? Drill em out and go the next size up?
Like a regular helicoil? These inserts are thick and I think you could remove a regular helicoil and use the inserts. I guess it depends on what type of repair was done previously.
nice kit wish I would have seen this a week ago just fixed one with helio coils was thinking of using studs and nuts on the next one I think there is enough room to install the heads over them
Would it be wise to do this before the engine starts showing problems? I am looking to buying a Kia with this engine, I want to avoid a catastrophic engine failure if possible.
I did this job on my moms car. Big fucking job. I used regular tap and die set. Probably wasn't a good idea but its been working knock on wood. The kits like this were expensive.
the bolt in my kia v3.3 was damaged and changed to a new one, but after one month my engine was blown because coolant is out. Now mechanics said that I need the head gasket if the engine is okay, overwise change engine. The engine is starting and works fine except heating :) Is it a good idea to change the head gasket or better to change the engine? If I change the gasket should I do this repair with this tool set?
BEWARE: Kia lost a class action lawsuit, and has now extended the warranty for models with head gasket failures. My wife's Kia Sorento developed coolant boil-off issues just as we hit the 100,000 mark. I thought it was due for the junkyard, but Kia approved the warranty repair. We are getting an entirely new short block, not just head gasket repairs. At least, we would be if most of the car dealerships in the country weren't out of order due to a cloud-based software ransomware attack.
If the job was done correctly you should be ok. I’m not sure if they have an upgraded block or not. If not, the new one will also be susceptible to the same failure. Trying not to overheat it is the best advice I can give.
How long do you expect pect this to last? Permanently or have you seen issues with block wearing at the same point again? Kia short block on back order and I'm concerned about this happening on the new engine.
Can you do a video showing how you actually put the inserts in the block I have the same issue I'm getting ready to start on I already have the kit the insert kit I'm waiting on my head to come back so that I can put them once I put this answer kit on but it would really help me to actually see it being done to make sure I do it right cuz I know it's a one time fix that you cannot mess up
Next time I do one I will make another video. The kit is awesome and it’s pretty self explanatory. The jig is self aligning and the drill bit is ground off on the tip so it won’t drill past the bottom of the hole. Just make sure you set the insert at the right height like he suggests and go slow on the drilling. Lots of cutting fluid. And tape off EVERYTHING. the chips go all over the place.
My 2016 Kia is overheating and dealership says blown head gasket, only 79000 miles and the warranty company wants them to tear down the engine in order to see if this was the cause. If not they won’t repair
@@katrinawilson5351 it’s common for a warranty company to request disassembly for failure confirmation. How did the shop determine the head gasket has failed? If they have solid evidence then that should be enough for the warranty company.
Just did this at my shop for a customer...drilled and tapped all 16 holes. pretty simple. did it in the car as well. used the Huhn kit as well. This really should be a recall.as KIA knows about it.
also my customers symptoms where a misfire on cylinder 2. bore scope in cylinder found coolant leak. removed valve cover and found multiple loose head bolts.
Yes it’s not a bad job with the Huhn kit. Just time consuming.
Should definitely be a recall. Absolute bull shit. Just did this on my moms car and she still owes 9000. I used a regular tap and die set. Probably a bad idea but its been working thank god.
How long did it roughly take you.
My 3.8 Genesis blew a head gasket and threads came out after attempting to re install the heads. I am buying the hun kit today. I have rebuilt this whole engine myself I am 21 not trying to say I know a lot. But I have never done this type of work before. For example the best way to clear out the old threads and anything that might get in the way. I have replaced all the internals in engine . This block looks identical to mine. Any response or tips is appreciated
You will have the kid's part number to order it
I am a machinist. This kit is exactly what and how I would do this in every detail, even to the dressing of the drill tip. Just but it, best value ever.
I just used this kit on my 2015 Kia Cadenza 3.3 V6 and it worked pretty well, was able to get the inserts in and they torqued to spec just fine. As long as you follow the instructions and measure right you will be fine. It was my first time ever doing this job but once I got started with a few it got really easy. I ended up doing the entire block.
did you replace the head gasket or just remove the bolts, tap, insert and install new bolts? I have a 16 sorento with what seems to be the same issue at 80k miles.
@@minitobe8525 I replaced every gasket except for the exhaust manifold gaskets, got the heads machined, replaced the waterpump and thermostat. I would say make sure your timing components are in good shape because you can replace those too if you want but would recommend it if you are keeping the car. My car started overheating at around 69k miles. I'm at 78k now and the car runs perfect
@@DontayCrowderLegend0141 got it. I come from mini cooper world and recently started diving into audis and vw. This kia was a good deal to pass. If i pressurize the coolant system, i get some pressure and then blow by. I wonder if that's head bolt issue vs head gasket.
I will take both heads and do the timing while I'm there. It seems like it will cost about 1500 for parts and machine shop. Is that a close estimate? (I'm in USA)
@@minitobe8525 that's about right, I'm in the US too and I probably spent close to 2,000 in parts and tools, I was fortunate to find a repair manual with all the torque specs and sequences for the entire engine for free. The Sorento has the 3.3 too correct?
@@DontayCrowderLegend0141 yes that's correct. Do you have a link to that document to share?
2k isn't too bad. Any special tools needed? From the other videos, there doesn't seem to be any special tools. I could be wrong.
i ordered the kit on ebay based on your video,kit arrived last night and ill be doing same thing this afternoon.
Sharing is caring .... Thank you
Update? did you do it and what happened?
Kia quotes me 12k for a complete motor replacement and refused to fix. I had a ton of people on Reddit tell me to purchase this kit. I'm actually starting repair here soon. Fingers crossed all goes well.
Keep in mind there may be other factors affecting their decision not to attempt a repair. If there is significant coolant in the oil or the vehicle was severely overheated you may end up with issues after the repair. The one I did is still running strong but it was caught early and was not overheated. This one had some oil in the coolant and an external coolant leak from the corner of the front head.
@@nightshiftautomotive3985 they wouldn't even short block it. He, service manager, told me the dealership isn't trained to do anything but replace parts and diag bad parts.
@@nightshiftautomotive3985 mine overheated, needs a new head- was warped at 3mm, spec is 2.
@@Jerryattrickliverspottedhands well that’s disappointing. Sad state of affairs when a dealer can’t do engine work.
@@nightshiftautomotive3985 I was shocked by the answer but hey I get to work on something new. I've been a Cummins mechanic my whole life (I'm 33)- 9, 12, 15, & 19 liter diesels... so this is a fun project for me to attempt. I have very little experience with Petro engines except a 5.3...anyways...I will follow up one day, I watched a few videos, enjoy the channel, thanks for the free information.
I got everything cleaned up, I put my bore scope down the head bolt holes, saw two with obvious damaged threads. Since the engine got pretty hot I wonder if it would be better to source a good used block and heads that were not overheated. It sustained a bit of internal rust while sitting. We had the big snow here in TX two yrs ago, I don't know if it had enough water in it to crack anything, no freeze plugs popped. I'm going to need to bore this one anyway. The crank is fine. The block decks are warped .0027 and the heads are .001 I read that getting aluminum hot weakens it.
Kia is extending the warranty on this for 15 years, 180,000 miles for the 3.3L 2016-2017 Sorrentos. The extended warranty includes used vehicles
The most impressive is how did you manage to remove cylinder heads with the engine still in the car? Even with engine out of the car it is not an easy job. By the way, taking the engine out is not as hard as you think. It took me about couple hours, no more. You don't have to separate it from transmission, just the whole unit. :-)
Video ???
Just found your video! Thank goodness. I have this issue with my 2016 Sorento. Kia wants 5 to 7 thousand dollars to replace the short block. I'm going to take this to my mechanic and see if its something he can do. I'm surehe can, he's a top notch guy.
It’s a time consuming job but not terribly difficult. And it’s a permanent repair so it’s a great option. Let me know if your guy needs any more info. Good luck!
We had the same issue during our vacation road trip. So far KIA is honoring the 100,000 mile warranty. I have a question, will there be any permanent damage to the engine? I don't want the family vehicle leaving us on the side of the road again. Thanks.
@@Chingadazos so here is the follow up. I got the inserts and found a guy to do the job. He has done others in the past (Toyotas but not Kia). 6 to 7 thousand to do the job. Better then the 8k kia wanted but still to much. I ended up negotiating with Kia and they agreed to do a new small block (bottom end) and machine the top end and I pay for the labor only. In the end about $1800. Running great!
Did your vehicle ever overheat due to this?
It did overheat, thats how we onew there was a problem
Merci beaucoup Monsieur . Vous avez la solution à mes problème
My 2016 Sorento SXL blew a gasket due to those stripped bolts. One would think KIA would've had a recall considering this occurs often My engine needs to be replaced and we're in that process now under my extended warranty.
Do you know where I can source some cam follower buckets? This motor had a lot of water in it, plus it sat for 3 yrs, plain water not coolant. The cyls and pistons are all bad. Maybe I need to source a better block and heads. my crank is fine...almost no wear. I don't want to get over budget but I am already, the engine rebuild kit plus the thread kit.....$1200.
Thank you for posting this! Only way I was able to figure out our car overheating issue. It overheats on long drives 3+ hours. How is this repair working now? My local mechanic swears our issue is a gasket even after showing him your video. Any advice?
Doe anyone know how much material you can remove from the deck and heads? I got about .001" warpage on the heads but .0027 on both decks. in the middle of both head and deck, so added together nearly .004" of space Also on mine I have a thing across the middle where the knock sensors go, I messed up the guide pin, it only serves to align one oring, I tried drilling out, its a mess now. I have a .25" deep hole there, I don't think it will hurt anything, its a blind hole. I think that port is the oil feed from the pump it goes across the top to the oil filter, Sedona.3.8, Plenty of room to apply a bead sealant outside the oring as a backup. As long as I center the bolt holes carefully should be fine. The other end has no dowel.
How probable is this to happen? I have the block out rebuilding it, I didn't see any bad threads.
The threads looked fine to me coming out. A few of the bolts did feel looser than normal on disassembly. It wasn’t until I went to reinstall the head bolts that they stripped. But this engine was overheated severely. I’m not sure how common it is.
@@nightshiftautomotive3985 mine overheated too...two bolts were not tight
@@vernonbosshard9317 In that case I would probably just do the inserts and be done with it.
What do you do if a '16 Sorento has stripped head bolts that already have Helicoils inserted (improperly it appears)? Drill em out and go the next size up?
Like a regular helicoil? These inserts are thick and I think you could remove a regular helicoil and use the inserts. I guess it depends on what type of repair was done previously.
Good evening, I would like information on adjusting the cylinder head, connecting rod and main frame.
nice kit wish I would have seen this a week ago just fixed one with helio coils was thinking of using studs and nuts on the next one I think there is enough room to install the heads over them
Omg thanks I have same problem now I have ideas
Can you Link the exact kit that you bought for this engine
I don’t have the kit number on hand but you can search the kits by engine on his website.
Would it be wise to do this before the engine starts showing problems? I am looking to buying a Kia with this engine, I want to avoid a catastrophic engine failure if possible.
I hope you didn't buy that Kia. They are shit.
I did this job on my moms car. Big fucking job. I used regular tap and die set. Probably wasn't a good idea but its been working knock on wood. The kits like this were expensive.
We're did you find the torque specs for the cylinder heads?
the bolt in my kia v3.3 was damaged and changed to a new one, but after one month my engine was blown because coolant is out. Now mechanics said that I need the head gasket if the engine is okay, overwise change engine.
The engine is starting and works fine except heating :)
Is it a good idea to change the head gasket or better to change the engine?
If I change the gasket should I do this repair with this tool set?
Let me know the answer you get please as I have same issue
BEWARE: Kia lost a class action lawsuit, and has now extended the warranty for models with head gasket failures. My wife's Kia Sorento developed coolant boil-off issues just as we hit the 100,000 mark. I thought it was due for the junkyard, but Kia approved the warranty repair. We are getting an entirely new short block, not just head gasket repairs. At least, we would be if most of the car dealerships in the country weren't out of order due to a cloud-based software ransomware attack.
Sorry one more question I try to figure out the torque specific How many pounds
Same thing happened to our KIA. The dealer fixed it, replaced the bolts and block. Will there be any permanent damage to our engine?
If the job was done correctly you should be ok. I’m not sure if they have an upgraded block or not. If not, the new one will also be susceptible to the same failure. Trying not to overheat it is the best advice I can give.
THANK YOU SIR
How much of the engine do you have to take apart to discover this problem?
I did not do any disassembly for the initial diagnosis as the leak was external and clearly visible.
How long do you expect pect this to last? Permanently or have you seen issues with block wearing at the same point again?
Kia short block on back order and I'm concerned about this happening on the new engine.
This is a permanent repair that is stronger then the oem setup. I would not expect a repeat failure.
I had another question I have Already the kit But where you buy the bolts and gaskets. Thanks for the info
I believe that they are available in the aftermarket but these parts came from the dealer.
Thank you for you help
Can you do a video showing how you actually put the inserts in the block I have the same issue I'm getting ready to start on I already have the kit the insert kit I'm waiting on my head to come back so that I can put them once I put this answer kit on but it would really help me to actually see it being done to make sure I do it right cuz I know it's a one time fix that you cannot mess up
Next time I do one I will make another video. The kit is awesome and it’s pretty self explanatory. The jig is self aligning and the drill bit is ground off on the tip so it won’t drill past the bottom of the hole. Just make sure you set the insert at the right height like he suggests and go slow on the drilling. Lots of cutting fluid. And tape off EVERYTHING. the chips go all over the place.
I have to pull the engine out or is not necessary thank you for you post
No you don’t have to pull the engine to do this job. It certainly would be more comfortable to do with the engine out but that’s a lot more work.
Can this be a cause of your engine overheating?
Yes it can cause overheating. This vehicle was overheating due to coolant loss.
My 2016 Kia is overheating and dealership says blown head gasket, only 79000 miles and the warranty company wants them to tear down the engine in order to see if this was the cause. If not they won’t repair
@@katrinawilson5351 it’s common for a warranty company to request disassembly for failure confirmation. How did the shop determine the head gasket has failed? If they have solid evidence then that should be enough for the warranty company.
It’s been a tough battle but it’s finally over and the warranty company agreed to approve the fix. 😊Thanks for your advice ❤️
I’m doing a 2012 Kia Sorento some problem
Can you post a link so where we can find the kit
www.huhnsolutions.com