There are times where I feel bad Zack Snyder and the fact that he couldn’t do the story he wanted to make, but then I hear stuff like this and I think "that sounded really fucking stupid and I’m glad I was spared it."
@@Jose-se9pu Really the only good things to come out of the Snyderverse were, ironically, the movies he _wouldn't_ have been involved in -- The Batfleck movie, the Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, etc. Sad, really.
Even though it is a bad idea, I understand the intent because Snyder planned his DC saga to be a modern-day Arthurian tale. So, Superman would be King Arthur, Batman is Lancelot and Lois is Guinvere. If you know the tale of King Arthur, what broke the Knights of the Roundtable was the affair between Lancelot & Guinvere that broke Arthur's heart
Summary of the General Opinion of the drafts. I personally dislike spending so much time in the Bad Future, but the threat being preventing Superman's from being brainwashed after falling in despair is fine.
I like how he's a team player trying to incorporate other people's projects into his own plans, but his story would go a lot better if it was always treated as a self-contained story with a definitive beginning, middle and end instead of WB trying to force it into being a gateway intoba whole cinematic universe that they could've just as easily built up independently on the side.
@@OwenLikesComics yeah because I heard that Catwoman was supposed to be in the one of the movies where she played by the same actress who played the Silk Spectre In Watchman
@@srstriker6420 that would've been cool. Good casting too. In defense of the whole Lois/Bruce thing, evem though I don't much care for it, it does make sense. There's heightened emotions on both sides, they were both there when he died, and he was actively fighting alongside him, they both try to console each other, and nature takes its course from there. If it breaks bro code, it's a very minor infraction considering the bro is dead and gone forever as far as they know. Still, the idea of having accidentally cucked Superman when he comes back feels like adding unintentional insult to injury, so I'm glad that this was very much a first draft idea that got scrapped.
I'm over here thinking, why would Lois bang the guy that got her man killed in the first place? Also, Bruce and Diana make a more interesting pairing. Not just because of other media representation, but because Gal and Ben have great chemistry.
@Ashura970 @Tyler Worsham While Lex is mainly responsible for Doomsday's creation which led to Superman's death, Lex really only did so because Batman took the Kryptonite. So, if Batman had never taken the Kryptonite, Lex wouldn't have created Doomsday. Then again, Batman took the Kryptonite AFTER Lex blew up the courthouse AND sent that "You let your family die" note. So, maybe Lex really is responsible for Superman's death.
Bats was living with guilt after Superman's death in the DCEU, why would he do him even dirtier and get with his girl after his death lol what a horrible idea
Mutual survivor's grief. He may have been trying to "take care" of Lois, and both ended up turning to each other as they tried to move on, before the plan to bring him back.
There’s no doing anyone “dirty” he’s freaking dead. And “his girl” no one’s anyone’s property. People are lonely, people get together, people move on. Enough of this “incel/cuck” logic.
we got the best possible outcome, ZSJL was great, and better than what we would’ve gotten even if ZS could’ve directed his vision in 2017. The stuff he had planned for the future sound horrific though and I’m glad that we aren’t getting that.
What's horrific about that? Avengers Infinity Saga is basically the same plot. Half of the heroes "dead", then a 5 year time jump, the resistance figuring out time travel, and ending in a massive battle. Except this time ordinary humans are also involved in the war.
As Zack Snyder's plots go, it's not so bad, and you're right, its ambition should be admired. But I don't think WB is interested in his vision anymore. Truth is Snyder was already being distanced from Justice League before the tragedy. I don't think there is any place left for him in DC movies
While the nightmare future is interesting the problem is the set up is so bad! Superman and batman are not friends. They've known each other for 5 minutes. Evil superman again? The baby isn't Clark's? It's Bruce's? And none of the three of them have been any chemistry? It's so bad.
This storyboard is old and wouldn't be canon if he ever got the chance to do the sequel. He said he has a new storyboard for JL2 in order for how it would play out.
@@OwenLikesComics yeah exactly. It'd be a nice way to give his fans closure, while not messing with the new direction DC is taking their movies. It's a win win for everyone involved I think
Zack's plan definitely sound a bit cluttered. They could really streamline it by axing the Legion of Doom stuff entirely and focusing on the Knightmare future, Darkseid, and the time travel elements solely. And instead of “Bruce Kent" I'd much prefer Superman training Jon as Superboy with Clark having the black and red “memorial" emblem on his suit in symbolic memory of Bruce and his death (I think that's a little more powerful than sending your twenty year old son to live in a place he has no connection to, while donning the suit of some guy he's never even met. It made more sense when he was Bruce's son but without that connection that epilogue feels groanworthy and self indulgent on Zack's part).
Honestly the idea of the legion of doom snyder had, l feel that they could make it its own movie with the justice league as the antagonist. Kinda what they did with justice league unlimited episode that focus on the legion of doom as they were the one who revived darkseid.
@@sub-zero5433 very true. He’s a great idea man, but some of his executions of those ideas aren’t smart. Honestly, the greatest example I can think of is the infamous Martha Moment. It really is brilliant idea. But it came across so cheesy, anti-climatic and cheap. And also the presence of Martian Manhunters begs more questions than answers.
Batman: so...Superman died Lois: yes. I don't want to live anymore...he was my world Batman: I tried to kill him but at the end I think he was the greatest hero Lois: *sniff* Clark... Batman: soooooo... you wanna bang? Lois: *hell yeah!*
Wow, great video Owen. I admit I haven’t been a real fan of Snyder’s DC films and even rewatching MOS and BVS didn’t change much how I felt about them. However, I really enjoyed Snyder’s JL and it would be really cool to see him finish up his overall story.
Great video but I’d note one thing Zack mentioned this was an earlier plan, set up by Bruce and Lois having a romance in JL1 (notably absent) This plan was abandoned and we can see this in the Snyder Cut (with a less damaged Cyborg and also the Knightmare sequences implying Darkseid killed Aquaman, not Black Manta) There’s also the presence of characters like Dr. Poison (who kills Hippolyta which doesn’t happen in the Snyder Cut’s depiction) and Deadshot (likely replaced by Deathstroke)
Yes, Zack Snyder's Justoce League already proves that the sequels would definitely be different in some notable ways from the first draft. Thankfully, it seems like most of the iffier ideas were left out in future drafts.
Like his other movies, I like certain parts of his narrative but overall I don't really dig it. I get wanting to do your own thing but to me he strays to far from the iconography of characters that they basically become different characters entirely. I really liked his Justice League but I'm more excited for the future of DC going in a different direction
Bruce and Lois shouldn't be a couple. You can tell me that they did it a few times in comics and animation. But be honest. How fucking long did that last?
And usually when he’s with Lois, Lois hasn’t already been in a relationship with Superman to the point he was ready to propose. Also Superman wasn’t dead.
Although, I'm not too keen with Batman and Lois Lane have a child and become future Batman in the Epilog, it would make sense since Superman has been dead for a year and Lois is just finding out she's Pregnant not with Superman's child.
Superman has not been dead for a year, according to the Snyder Cut, only a few months passed. And Snyder also confirmed Lois is carrying Clark's child, the whole affair with Bruce a very early idea he had, and people at Warner made him realice how much of a dumb idea it was.
@@Jose-se9pu good thing zack changed that. because, even if it was a good idea (which it wasn't), bruce and lois barely talk. so it would be a forced pairing to say the least
I'm just curious if Snyder would completely shake up these plans if HBO Max allowed him to finish his plans. It would be weird to see these sequels be made and for us to know exactly what's going to happen in them.
Well he did change up the movie we saw a bit. He added the Knightmare segment with Joker after the fact, so he's clearly not opposed to changing things on the fly. Also worthy of note is that I don't believe Martian Manhunter waa in those future plans, or at keast not very prominent, and he went out of his way to add those scenes that introduced him rather prominently. He also chamged the Bruce/Lois relationship well before hand, and that was thankfully a first draft idea that stayed in the first draft. I think we'd get the same broad strokes, but like every obsessive creator, he'd likely try to tinker with it until he was satisfied.
I heard that zack snyder had already wrote a new script on his original dceu five year movie planned on justice league 2 and 3 meaning that the old one will be abandoned because it had a subplot of batman being the "real" father of superman and lois's son which would cause people to hate snyder even more if he does so
Zacks original idea was to have Superman get cucked on by Batman just like how Nightwing found out how Bruce impregnated Barbara just when he was trying to renew their relationship. Now apparantly The supposed plan is to have evil superman(how fucking original) with Snyder's reason being he wanted to take Superman from one extreme to the other, to break his morality and I guess make Superman a more interesting character by giving him this character arch? But what character arc? In the leaked plot, evil Superman was going to disappear when Flash runs back to alter the time line. Superman was going to have no memories of evil Superman. Superman was never going to meet evil Superman. That's not a character arc. Superman learns nothing. It's like having a nightmare were you're a bad guy and waking up with no memory of that dream you had. Not only does it not matter because it's not reality (it's a dream), but it doesn't even effect your view of yourself or the world because you don't remember it, you don't confront it. The Knightmare timeline would be fine as an elseworld story, but in a Justice League trilogy it baffles me that it was a plot point. Why waste so much screen time for a plot that gets erased without a trace? Maybe Snyder would have fixed it so Superman remembers, but who knows. Also, this isn't Superman being evil, he was just brainwashed against his will and saved through presumably no effort of his own. No lessons learned and no aspects of his character fleshed out, no agency. Just a complete waste of time Following all this garbage we would have had an ending where Clark and Lois do have a child to themselves but apparantly this child for some reason has no powers and will be named Bruce simply because Batman makes the ultimate sacrifice (again how original) and he will grow up to become the next batman. They name their child after the same person who tried to kill clark and who zack wanted to cuck clark with and they want their child to go down the exact same road of insanity as this person. Not only that but this completely undermines the entire plot points of man of steel. That through the codex, the kryptonian race would continue through clark, so the child they have not only should have powers but be based off the real current child of superman and lois, Jon Kent. Otherwise this whole bull of being the bridge between two worlds was hollow plot device that had no real value or weight. To hell with Bruce Kent. If Zack wishes to continue his vision, he needs to seriously reevaluate how he is handling some of these characters and ideas he is planning, Superman especially. Otherwise id largely prefer a full on reboot with better handling of the characters and less focus favoritism for batman.
Honestly some of these sequel trilogy ideas sound interesting in theory but I really don’t like the idea of Batman falling in love with Lois lane and her child being Batman kid not Superman because that really makes no sense to me at least in my opinion, Personally I am more into my boy Superman and Lois lane having there son Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy alive and kicking then the exact opposite with him becoming the new Batman because that just sounds weird to me and wrong at least in my opinion.
@@TevyaSmolka I've been saying that for the longest. I gave up on DC Cinematic Universe once The Avengers took off. The Averagers is my Justice League Movie.
@@savagedarksider5934 true and honestly at this point WB or warner media to be more precise don't really care about making a dc cinematic universe anymore but just want to pick and choose what stays and what doesn't meaning translation, what's do whatever the hell we want and screw the consequences. Which in this case however and I hate saying this because I hate corporate i really do but you know what if you want to just tell good stories with dc characters fine go for it cool I won't stop you, however personally in my opinion i think they are wasting a major opportunity by not continuing snyder's justice league series because for better or for worst I will give snyder credit where its do he at least had a vision and plan way more then the higher ups at WB who don't really care about vision or making a universe that makes sense at least in my opinion.
I feel like Zack Snyder was trying to recreate the success he had Watchmen, by taking the superhero deconstruction which is one of the aspects of Watchmen story and applying it to the main DC heroes really didn't work.
I don't really like the Zack Snyder films in general because he's basically trying to recreate Watchman using the main DC heroes. One of the terrible aspects was having Batman use lethal force and kill criminals, we shouldn't have even gotten to see Joker because Batman should have killed him already.
To be fair, Batman originally had no problem killing people, he stopped when DC wanted him to be more kid friendly. I believe he even killed the Joker in his first appearance. This was the same guy who lynched people with the Batwing and hurled them off multi-story buildings.
This is definitely a situation where I can appreciate and respect the passion and creativity that clearly went into the story and planning, but I don't think I'd be a fan of this particular direction. I think it's best just to leave it as one of those great "What ifs? of history. I'd be down with seeing a comic adaptation or novelisation one day, but I don't think they need to rush out and make these movies. At least now we know that all the foreshadowing in BvS would have actually had a huge payoff.
That's kind of how I feel, personally. I'm not sure if I would have enjoyed these films, but it's definitely interesting to look at what the plans were and imagine how they would've turned out.
While I can admire the audacity to actually kill Batman; there’s a lot here that would’ve been outright refused by many had they come to pass. Also it looks like the pervasive problem as “Superman as plot point” seemed to return.
The unborn child baby daddy thing is too Soap Opera, but other than that it sounds interesting and something I'd enjoy watching as a fan of the Injustice games.
After taking some time to sink thing in, it's incredibly interesting to imagine what movie we would have gotten with Snyder's vision continued. While the drama between Bruce and Lois sounds out there for sure, especially with the twist about the child, I do think overall the story sounds quite interesting, and like you said, Snyder himself went back on it and had a different outcome with that later. I think what has me interested most is other possible League members who would join the fight. Shazam! was still in the works, but it's likely he'd show up as well. Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, who knows who else could have made appearances. But I think what sells me the most is the sense of finality for it. I guess I'm just a sucker for solid conclusions, one of the best things about Avengers: Endgame to me was partly feeling that it was a strong point to call it finished. Obviously, it didn't end there, and it's unlikely the DC films would have ended there for good either, but I like seeing the story like that come to a close. At this point, I think we're just waiting to see what goes next, but damn, that alternate universe where these films happened sure sounds crazy.
Is no one gonna talk about how riddler was able to find the anti life equation before anyone else. Or that he was a character in the movie in the first place
Riddler wouldn't have found it. He just would've been the one to solve the equation. Also, if he gets to do these movies in some form, I want more Green Lantern! Honestly, I wouldn't even be opposed to Ryan Reynolds coming back as a differemt version of Hal Jordan. That movie of his was weak, but he was one of the only elements of that movie that even make it watchable. I assume he would be played by someone else, but I wouldn't be upset at all if Reynolds got another chance to shine.
At first I didn't like the idea of killing Batman. it is because I was unable to understand all the other videos discussing the story bords of Snyder. But in this video I got it, Thanks to you. Your channel deserve more viewers.
I dont like Bruce and Lois having a son and i dont get why Barry needs the cosmic treadmill since in JL he tapped into the speed force and used time travel.
I think the idea was that the treadmill would allow Flash to travel back further. I know he reverses time at the end of ZSJL, but that was a minute or so, this would be 5+ years.
It doesn't matter how big or successful this movie is. Warner doesn't want Snyder and Snyder doesn't want Warner. The Snyder Cut only happened because the pandemic pushed Warner to rush their streaming service and they realized they didn't have much material to upload. So someone, probably an intern, found a can with a semi complete movie and asked "how about this?"
Wow, I really liked the where Justice League 2 would've gone. Getting a movie where we get to see the League be regular heroes for a bit sounds like a great primer before we go full knightmare. Getting regular Superman before him going evil I particularly like instead of just going straight into that
It was the first draft of his original plan for his JL trilogy. The Snyder Cut already proves that although a lot of the broad strokes would've been the same, some of the particulars, specifically the Bruce/Lois stuff for example, were abandoned.
Great video, as always! But none of this sounds good to me. I don't know if I've ever given a director more chances than Snyder and always remain disappointed at best. I can't bring myself to watching the movie.
After watching MauLer's video about the Snyder Cut, I'm one to think that it is worse than what Joss did. Sorry, mate, but the Snyderverse just doesn't interest me, as I'd rather have a bright, colorful and fun DC movie universe, than the washed out, dark and depressing one Snyder tried to give us.
There’s some cool stuff in these outlines but the whole Bruce/Lois kid is ridiculous and unnecessary, especially with the epilogue of that kid being the new Batman? It sounds like bad fan fiction. Also does Zack love Lois Lane or something, why must both Superman and Batman look to her as their only link to humanity? It also seems annoying that all the Knightmare stuff wouldve been undone with time travel and no one remembers that timeline. At least in stuff like X-men days of future past, wolverine remembers his future, and he did more in the past than tell one person one bit of information. The way they do the Knightmare stuff here makes it seem like a big waste of time by the end of the day.
These were all early storyboards tho, none of these actually carried to the movie that we were given. No hint at all of Batman and Lois being in a relationship so it’s safe to say that this idea has been taken out.
I really like the broad strokes, but I'm glad the Bruce/Lois child was a first draft idea... Taking his movies as a self-contained story, I think it absolutely works, but I don't much care for the idea of Batman dying and staying dead when the ending would've helped to completely open up the whole DC Universe. A DCU without any member of the trinity feels off. I feel as though he would probably change even more of the fine-point details in future drafts, and all in all, I'd love to see some version of what he had planned, even if it is either exclusive to HBO Max as either more live action movies, animated films, or even graphic novels.
I really think the DC films were doomed to failure. I honestly can't call these ideas a labour of love because I think Snyder has a fundamental misunderstanding of the characters. This isn't Superman, it's Zach Snyders Superman. This isn't Batman, it's Zach Snyders Batman. It's the same for the rest of the cast. I don't think the planned story was good enough to justify.
I don't like: -the Batman baby idea -the fact that the rest of the Justice League couldn't defeat their own villains without Superman -that it's Batman who kills Darksied.
The problem with snyder's plan is it doesn't really lend itself to an extended universe. Sure if it was only JL movies (like LOTR) it might work, but not in an extended universe sense.
Kinda seems like more of a WB thing that got forced onto it. They greenlit him doing his story, then tried to shoehorn something else that was never intended to be designed to follow a Marvel Studios model because WB didn't want to go to the extra work to build something from the groubd up on the side. They've also historically this weird thing about hating multiple versions of characters existing in film and TV at the same time because "audiences would get too confused" or something, which probably lent to their feelings of not wanting to do something more expensive on the side while Snyder told his self-contained epic and left. Thankfully, they realized this concept of a multiverse is a thing that exists, and their embracing the multiverse conceit more.
I think Zack's DC world would've been much better if it hadn't been "forced" - by the need to compete with the MCU - to tell the origins of the heroes. In other words, if the approach used for Batman had been used for all the heroes, in a Kingdom Come/TDKR-like universe where the heroes return after a long absence. I feel that would've given Zack the creative freedom he needed, with no need to worry about "setting up the universe" and all that crap.
I like the plotline of Darkseid getting the Anti-Life Equation and taking over Earth. Sounds very much like the DC version of Infinity War and Endgame. I'm glad the Bruce and Lois stuff was scrapped, though.
While I don't think a Live-Action interpretation of these movies is happening, an Animated version with the entire original cast would be just as awesome and less expensive.
Until a couple of weeks ago, I would have said that Snyder's JL2 and 3 were toast. But with recent changes in ownership, I'm not so sure anymore. I'm hoping that they _don't_ just jump in head-first into JL2; at the very least, give us a sequel to Man of Steel. Use that sequel to correct the characterization of Caville's Superman, taking lessons from the TV show “Superman and Lois”: show Superman becoming more genuinely heroic and caring, and less driven by fear and tragedy - that's a Batman schtick, and Superman doesn't need it. I'd call the movie “Man of Tomorrow”, and have its theme be about embracing hope for the future. I'd also like it if other Leaguers got similar character-building movies; though The Batman, Wonder Woman 1984, Aquaman 2, and The Flash haven't hit the right notes (The Batman is cool; but it's at the start of his career), and it's too soon to do another round; but maybe we could get something good for Cyborg and for Green Lantern? _Then_ give us JL2 and 3 more or less back-to-back, similar to how Back to the Future Parts 2 and 3 or Matrix Reloaded and Revelation were done, but adjust the ending of JL3 to end right after Darkseid's defeat, leaving room for a more open-ended future where each Leaguer gets a chance to earn the “happy ending” Snyder envisioned for them, in their own movie.
I personally loved what Snyder wanted to do, including Bruce being the father of Louis’ child. The idea is not stupid like some think but realistic. Obviously, the consummation occurred after Superman was dead. And the thought was then that Superman isn’t coming back. This sort of thing happens in real life. Plus, it makes sense for the story. The Flash had to tell Bruce he is the father to give Bruce the courage to sacrifice himself. Snyder wasn’t interested in making a rated PG film but instead one that is thought provoking and consequential. And make no mistake, his story was consequential. It’s an adult film, not a Disney flick intended for kids.
I think these would have been great, not keen on the Lois pregnant story, but the rest is great, I really loved the DCEU and wish WB would have had more confidence, there's a lot of people realising how the story would have fit together after the Snyder Cut release, and I believe the sequels would have been slightly retooled anyway, so I think they should move forward with sequels and complete the epic
Yeah I hate that the son was actually Bruce’s child. Implying that Bruce may have hit it with Lois. Also, Superman succumbing to Anti-Life is not a story arc I’m looking forward to. I don’t think I want anymore evil Superman. But the final battle against Darkseid does sound dope.
I would like to see a sequel to Zack Snyder's Justice League but if it does happen i hope they don't do this exactly. Especially the Lois and Bruce thing
Do you know what should have appeared in the Snyder cut, Thannagar since the people who live there do look like the angels and I would have added other members in the injustice league and also Batman and Lois thing is so nonsensical because I prefer they bring in Catwoman instead.
Yeah i do like some of the ideas but i am thinking that the new dcus plans are a tad bit stronger in my opinion because of the different stories and different tones and single stories then it leads up to a justice league movie.
I have mixed feelings when it comes to Snyder’s DCverse. On the one hand, Some of the ideas are interesting and could be cool to see. On the other hand, the Snyder movies tend to be boring, drowning, miserable experience and that really isn’t something the average movie watcher would want to see.
Some alterations can be great if they let him do more justiceleague movies. Like jon kent instead of Bruce Kent. Let nightwing be the new batman or something. Or not kill batman because they can make a kingdom come movie where we can see afflect on a suit.
I'm so glad they decided to not go down the route of Bruce from being the father to Lois' baby, the rest of the plans and ideas sound cool though - I wish we saw Jon Stewart Green Lantern too - But I was ultimately satisfied with Zack Snyder's Justice League - Great breakdown of the film's journey Owen! What did you think of the Snyder cut?
I never liked Snyder's take on the DC Superheroes. I mean talk about depressing, cynical and backstabbing ways to showcase this iconic group of characters. I mean honestly even if these plans were to follow up on, then it would have been even harder for DC and WB to even think of placing these heroes on film again given how often Snyder's work is polarizing to begin with.
I fear for Snyder's sanity if he ever though Warner was going to allow him to film this terrible Batman fanfiction wrote by a 13 years old, especially after the failures of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. Bury this, and lets not ever talk about it again...we have Black Adam, The Suicide Squad, and Aquaman 2 coming, the future of the DCEU is looking pretty good, leaving behind these absolutely insane ideas.
I like Zscks DCEU & marvel/MCU but am a DC fan first, wish it was all built up like the MCU, ya know? Blue Beetle as a Spider-Man type, GL as GOTG, etc. not all comic movies gotta follow their (MCU) plot but that’s kinda how comics do it too
Crazy to think we heard about a "scary idea" and prepped for an Injustice style on screen lois lane death but LoisLane x Batman... wowsers! that was quite the blindside. Though feel it would be better if it doesn't completely cuck Superman in the end and has Bruce Kent have a half kryptonian half sibling functioning as the new Superman and Bruce Kent dawning the blue and grey Batsuit with the yellow circle emblem since in a way inadvertently looks like it blends both the Superman and Batman and you get a version of Super-Sons the original ones from 1973.
These were early ideas, as u can tell none of that stuff was set up in the Snyder cut bc it’s never going to happen. They were scrapped so Lois and Clark are in a relationship and that is indeed their kid.
@@OwenLikesComics agreed, I've been rewatching old movies ive not seen in a while and Prisoners and There will be Blood came into my shuffle and Dano blows away every performance!
Some of these ideas sound good and sounds like it would have made for an epic movie series, but others sound bad. Everyone has talked about Bruce and Lois, but for me I feel Cyborg changing his appearance to look more human contradicts his wonderful character arc in the Snyder Cut. What I think should have happened is that Cyborg discovers he can alter his appearance, but decides against it as he has already come to accept himself as he is.
Hi Owen! As usual damn great job! There needs some revisions of JLA franchise but hopefully something will be done! These iconic characters are too damn much potential to waste! DC needs to stop dragging their assets and move forward! I would love to see a JLA series of movies! Thanks ,Owen! Keep up the great work!
I would rather Zach Snyder end his involvement with Justice League and go off on a high note. These ideas sound promising, but the issue is execution. Justice League was good and much better than I expected, but at the same time I remember how divisive BvS was and how the uncut version of that movie didn’t really change people’s minds, people who liked it before still liked it while people who disliked that movie felt the longer version didn’t add anything to make the quality better. I just don’t think Zach Snyder ever really got Superman. Even though I liked the MoS I felt like that movie tried to deconstruct Superman and make him darker to try to make him more interesting and I’m kind of getting sick of how we have to deconstruct and make the more “vanilla” heroes darker to make them good characters. I feel like his Superman will be lacking to me even if he overhaul these ideas. I fear he might unintentionally keep replicating what he did with Watchmen for varied success rate, worked for MoS, split the base with BvS, and worked for JL. I respect his vision and the attempt to make these stand out from MCU, but I really think if these ideas had happened they wouldn’t have been as good as the JL movie we got this year.
I’m so glad we won’t be getting any of this. WB is making the right decision leaving Snyder’s vision behind. This just sounds terrible. Even if there are some slight changes due to this being the original plan, most of it would still be the same and it would suck. I’m tired of seeing Zack butcher these characters and stories. We need to move on from the Snyder and push forward to a new DC cinematic universe. And if they want to do a reboot then they can have a Flashpoint movie where the current future is fucked and Barry goes back to change that and give us a better, more comic accurate, timeline and then they can start the DCEU from scratch. WB needs to ignore the Snyder cultists who refuse to believe anything about his films is bad and claim that anyone who does so are just stupid haters, hating on Zack because they think it’ll make them cooler. This isn’t the 90s. Forcing yourself to not like something popular doesn’t make you cool anymore. Zack has no respect for the comics as seen by his butchering of the characters and his lies about the comics. He said that Batman killed in The Dark Knight Returns. And his brainwashed cultists just believed him. We should get a new hashtag going to promote moving on from Snyder’s DC universe so that we can get the DC movies we deserve.
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Can you do a video on Sentry & his character exploration?
There are times where I feel bad Zack Snyder and the fact that he couldn’t do the story he wanted to make, but then I hear stuff like this and I think "that sounded really fucking stupid and I’m glad I was spared it."
Studios wont waste BILLIONS of dollars in stories nobody wants to see (just look at the reception of MoS and BvS, and this looked even WORSE).
@@Jose-se9pu Really the only good things to come out of the Snyderverse were, ironically, the movies he _wouldn't_ have been involved in -- The Batfleck movie, the Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, etc.
Sad, really.
@@sinjinreed2091 Don’t forget Shazam.
I feel like his ideas are cool they're just not good when turned into movies
The Bruce and Lois son thing is stupid, but I like the rest of this storyline
Even though it is a bad idea, I understand the intent because Snyder planned his DC saga to be a modern-day Arthurian tale. So, Superman would be King Arthur, Batman is Lancelot and Lois is Guinvere. If you know the tale of King Arthur, what broke the Knights of the Roundtable was the affair between Lancelot & Guinvere that broke Arthur's heart
Z.S seems to have a particular kink: watching Lois and Bruce do it, while he watches in the closet, dressed as Superman.
@@94evangelion I thought he wanted Superman be a modern Jesus
I could see it being something that basically took place during the period of death.
Summary of the General Opinion of the drafts.
I personally dislike spending so much time in the Bad Future, but the threat being preventing Superman's from being brainwashed after falling in despair is fine.
Anyone notice the ending of his plan would've ended the DCEU.
He always could've made prequels or movies about the aftermath, I mean, Endgame didn't end the MCU
I like how he's a team player trying to incorporate other people's projects into his own plans, but his story would go a lot better if it was always treated as a self-contained story with a definitive beginning, middle and end instead of WB trying to force it into being a gateway intoba whole cinematic universe that they could've just as easily built up independently on the side.
To be honest I only like ten percent of his ideas but I respect his goal to make dc universe more unique then any other.
Also Bruce.
Way to break bro code.
Not cool, Bruce.
@@OwenLikesComics yeah because I heard that Catwoman was supposed to be in the one of the movies where she played by the same actress who played the Silk Spectre In Watchman
@@srstriker6420 that would've been cool. Good casting too. In defense of the whole Lois/Bruce thing, evem though I don't much care for it, it does make sense. There's heightened emotions on both sides, they were both there when he died, and he was actively fighting alongside him, they both try to console each other, and nature takes its course from there. If it breaks bro code, it's a very minor infraction considering the bro is dead and gone forever as far as they know. Still, the idea of having accidentally cucked Superman when he comes back feels like adding unintentional insult to injury, so I'm glad that this was very much a first draft idea that got scrapped.
@@Tyler_W well this could be way worse than Superman Returns
@@srstriker6420 Malin Akerman Would Have Made a Great Catwoman.
I'm over here thinking, why would Lois bang the guy that got her man killed in the first place? Also, Bruce and Diana make a more interesting pairing. Not just because of other media representation, but because Gal and Ben have great chemistry.
Batman didn’t get Superman killed though. It was Lex’s fault for creating Apocalypse. He did almost kill him though.
I’m recall that Catwoman was supposed to appear
Agree on Ben and Gal, but Bruce didn't get Superman killed. Lex via Doomsday got him killed in the first place.
@@Tyler_W
He was still planning to murder him.
@Ashura970
@Tyler Worsham
While Lex is mainly responsible for Doomsday's creation which led to Superman's death, Lex really only did so because Batman took the Kryptonite. So, if Batman had never taken the Kryptonite, Lex wouldn't have created Doomsday.
Then again, Batman took the Kryptonite AFTER Lex blew up the courthouse AND sent that "You let your family die" note. So, maybe Lex really is responsible for Superman's death.
Bats was living with guilt after Superman's death in the DCEU, why would he do him even dirtier and get with his girl after his death lol what a horrible idea
Well said. Definitely seems like the wrong move for the character.
Mutual survivor's grief. He may have been trying to "take care" of Lois, and both ended up turning to each other as they tried to move on, before the plan to bring him back.
There’s no doing anyone “dirty” he’s freaking dead. And “his girl” no one’s anyone’s property. People are lonely, people get together, people move on. Enough of this “incel/cuck” logic.
@Sadaan Akhter the real issue is that Lois can do better than Murder Bats. And it shows that synder cannot write women.
@@GendoRokabundi we just gonna forget that Bruce did try to murder Clark???
we got the best possible outcome, ZSJL was great, and better than what we would’ve gotten even if ZS could’ve directed his vision in 2017. The stuff he had planned for the future sound horrific though and I’m glad that we aren’t getting that.
Nah homie that sounds awesome. Superman uniting the world against Darkseid’s forces sounds like one of the best moments ever in a Superhero film.
What's horrific about that? Avengers Infinity Saga is basically the same plot. Half of the heroes "dead", then a 5 year time jump, the resistance figuring out time travel, and ending in a massive battle. Except this time ordinary humans are also involved in the war.
As Zack Snyder's plots go, it's not so bad, and you're right, its ambition should be admired. But I don't think WB is interested in his vision anymore. Truth is Snyder was already being distanced from Justice League before the tragedy. I don't think there is any place left for him in DC movies
While the nightmare future is interesting the problem is the set up is so bad! Superman and batman are not friends. They've known each other for 5 minutes. Evil superman again? The baby isn't Clark's? It's Bruce's? And none of the three of them have been any chemistry? It's so bad.
I feel like some of these are ideas are better as ideas than they would be in execution.
This storyboard is old and wouldn't be canon if he ever got the chance to do the sequel. He said he has a new storyboard for JL2 in order for how it would play out.
I hope these get made as like snyderverse comics, I think I prefer the direction DC seems to be heading with more standalone outings
For movies I mean
Considering Jim Lee helped draw the storyboards for the films, I think a comic would be a great way to wrap up this series.
@@OwenLikesComics yeah exactly. It'd be a nice way to give his fans closure, while not messing with the new direction DC is taking their movies. It's a win win for everyone involved I think
@@doomshill110 label it as an elseworlds title 😊
@@OwenLikesComics That's the least they could do!
Zack's plan definitely sound a bit cluttered. They could really streamline it by axing the Legion of Doom stuff entirely and focusing on the Knightmare future, Darkseid, and the time travel elements solely. And instead of “Bruce Kent" I'd much prefer Superman training Jon as Superboy with Clark having the black and red “memorial" emblem on his suit in symbolic memory of Bruce and his death (I think that's a little more powerful than sending your twenty year old son to live in a place he has no connection to, while donning the suit of some guy he's never even met. It made more sense when he was Bruce's son but without that connection that epilogue feels groanworthy and self indulgent on Zack's part).
Honestly the idea of the legion of doom snyder had, l feel that they could make it its own movie with the justice league as the antagonist.
Kinda what they did with justice league unlimited episode that focus on the legion of doom as they were the one who revived darkseid.
I liked some of these ideas, but I don't think Snyder would have the storytelling abilities to fully pull it off
honestly yeah, seems good on paper but probably would have been a trailwreck
@@sub-zero5433 very true. He’s a great idea man, but some of his executions of those ideas aren’t smart.
Honestly, the greatest example I can think of is the infamous Martha Moment. It really is brilliant idea. But it came across so cheesy, anti-climatic and cheap.
And also the presence of Martian Manhunters begs more questions than answers.
Batman: so...Superman died
Lois: yes. I don't want to live anymore...he was my world
Batman: I tried to kill him but at the end I think he was the greatest hero
Lois: *sniff* Clark...
Batman: soooooo... you wanna bang?
Lois: *hell yeah!*
Wow, great video Owen. I admit I haven’t been a real fan of Snyder’s DC films and even rewatching MOS and BVS didn’t change much how I felt about them. However, I really enjoyed Snyder’s JL and it would be really cool to see him finish up his overall story.
Same. I still dont like MOS and BVS but i rlly loved JL
Great video but I’d note one thing
Zack mentioned this was an earlier plan, set up by Bruce and Lois having a romance in JL1 (notably absent)
This plan was abandoned and we can see this in the Snyder Cut (with a less damaged Cyborg and also the Knightmare sequences implying Darkseid killed Aquaman, not Black Manta)
There’s also the presence of characters like Dr. Poison (who kills Hippolyta which doesn’t happen in the Snyder Cut’s depiction) and Deadshot (likely replaced by Deathstroke)
Yes, Zack Snyder's Justoce League already proves that the sequels would definitely be different in some notable ways from the first draft. Thankfully, it seems like most of the iffier ideas were left out in future drafts.
Like his other movies, I like certain parts of his narrative but overall I don't really dig it. I get wanting to do your own thing but to me he strays to far from the iconography of characters that they basically become different characters entirely. I really liked his Justice League but I'm more excited for the future of DC going in a different direction
Bruce and Lois shouldn't be a couple. You can tell me that they did it a few times in comics and animation. But be honest. How fucking long did that last?
Not long I'm guessing. Besides, Bruce has to figure things out with Selina and Diana (in my fanfiction fantasy land).
And usually when he’s with Lois, Lois hasn’t already been in a relationship with Superman to the point he was ready to propose. Also Superman wasn’t dead.
Although, I'm not too keen with Batman and Lois Lane have a child and become future Batman in the Epilog, it would make sense since Superman has been dead for a year and Lois is just finding out she's Pregnant not with Superman's child.
Superman has not been dead for a year, according to the Snyder Cut, only a few months passed.
And Snyder also confirmed Lois is carrying Clark's child, the whole affair with Bruce a very early idea he had, and people at Warner made him realice how much of a dumb idea it was.
@@Jose-se9pu talk about Superman Returns
@@Jose-se9pu Thank God
@@Jose-se9pu good thing zack changed that.
because, even if it was a good idea (which it wasn't), bruce and lois barely talk. so it would be a forced pairing to say the least
@@srstriker6420 why superman returns?
I'm just curious if Snyder would completely shake up these plans if HBO Max allowed him to finish his plans. It would be weird to see these sequels be made and for us to know exactly what's going to happen in them.
Well he did change up the movie we saw a bit. He added the Knightmare segment with Joker after the fact, so he's clearly not opposed to changing things on the fly. Also worthy of note is that I don't believe Martian Manhunter waa in those future plans, or at keast not very prominent, and he went out of his way to add those scenes that introduced him rather prominently. He also chamged the Bruce/Lois relationship well before hand, and that was thankfully a first draft idea that stayed in the first draft. I think we'd get the same broad strokes, but like every obsessive creator, he'd likely try to tinker with it until he was satisfied.
Of course snyder wanted superman's kid to be the new batman; he's the same guy who wanted to make superman himself just flying version of batman
I heard that zack snyder had already wrote a new script on his original dceu five year movie planned on justice league 2 and 3 meaning that the old one will be abandoned because it had a subplot of batman being the "real" father of superman and lois's son which would cause people to hate snyder even more if he does so
@Sadaan Akhter I know it's their son but with no powers of his father and is just human like jason white from superman returns
Good thing this was uploaded *after* noon in the UK
I'm glad someone noticed haha.
Zacks original idea was to have Superman get cucked on by Batman just like how Nightwing found out how Bruce impregnated Barbara just when he was trying to renew their relationship.
Now apparantly The supposed plan is to have evil superman(how fucking original) with Snyder's reason being he wanted to take Superman from one extreme to the other, to break his morality and I guess make Superman a more interesting character by giving him this character arch? But what character arc? In the leaked plot, evil Superman was going to disappear when Flash runs back to alter the time line. Superman was going to have no memories of evil Superman. Superman was never going to meet evil Superman. That's not a character arc. Superman learns nothing. It's like having a nightmare were you're a bad guy and waking up with no memory of that dream you had. Not only does it not matter because it's not reality (it's a dream), but it doesn't even effect your view of yourself or the world because you don't remember it, you don't confront it. The Knightmare timeline would be fine as an elseworld story, but in a Justice League trilogy it baffles me that it was a plot point. Why waste so much screen time for a plot that gets erased without a trace? Maybe Snyder would have fixed it so Superman remembers, but who knows. Also, this isn't Superman being evil, he was just brainwashed against his will and saved through presumably no effort of his own. No lessons learned and no aspects of his character fleshed out, no agency. Just a complete waste of time
Following all this garbage we would have had an ending where Clark and Lois do have a child to themselves but apparantly this child for some reason has no powers and will be named Bruce simply because Batman makes the ultimate sacrifice (again how original) and he will grow up to become the next batman.
They name their child after the same person who tried to kill clark and who zack wanted to cuck clark with and they want their child to go down the exact same road of insanity as this person. Not only that but this completely undermines the entire plot points of man of steel. That through the codex, the kryptonian race would continue through clark, so the child they have not only should have powers but be based off the real current child of superman and lois, Jon Kent. Otherwise this whole bull of being the bridge between two worlds was hollow plot device that had no real value or weight. To hell with Bruce Kent.
If Zack wishes to continue his vision, he needs to seriously reevaluate how he is handling some of these characters and ideas he is planning, Superman especially. Otherwise id largely prefer a full on reboot with better handling of the characters and less focus favoritism for batman.
You’re not making sense. How is Superman “cucked” if he was DEAD when Bruce and Lois Lane got together????
Honestly some of these sequel trilogy ideas sound interesting in theory but I really don’t like the idea of Batman falling in love with Lois lane and her child being Batman kid not Superman because that really makes no sense to me at least in my opinion, Personally I am more into my boy Superman and Lois lane having there son Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy alive and kicking then the exact opposite with him becoming the new Batman because that just sounds weird to me and wrong at least in my opinion.
Honestly, I would rather have that M an of Steel trilogy before it was dropped.
@@savagedarksider5934 I can agree with that and honestly nothing would make me happier but to see that man of steel trilogy
@@TevyaSmolka I've been saying that for the longest. I gave up on DC Cinematic Universe once The Avengers took off. The Averagers is my Justice League Movie.
@@savagedarksider5934 true and honestly at this point WB or warner media to be more precise don't really care about making a dc cinematic universe anymore but just want to pick and choose what stays and what doesn't meaning translation, what's do whatever the hell we want and screw the consequences. Which in this case however and I hate saying this because I hate corporate i really do but you know what if you want to just tell good stories with dc characters fine go for it cool I won't stop you, however personally in my opinion i think they are wasting a major opportunity by not continuing snyder's justice league series because for better or for worst I will give snyder credit where its do he at least had a vision and plan way more then the higher ups at WB who don't really care about vision or making a universe that makes sense at least in my opinion.
I feel like Zack Snyder was trying to recreate the success he had Watchmen, by taking the superhero deconstruction which is one of the aspects of Watchmen story and applying it to the main DC heroes really didn't work.
I’m probably a minority, but it’s a real relief that this didn’t happen.
Nice video, I would love to see this insane take on DC being continued.
Thank you, Mateo. Glad to hear you enjoyed it!
@@OwenLikesComics :)
I don't really like the Zack Snyder films in general because he's basically trying to recreate Watchman using the main DC heroes. One of the terrible aspects was having Batman use lethal force and kill criminals, we shouldn't have even gotten to see Joker because Batman should have killed him already.
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To be fair, Batman originally had no problem killing people, he stopped when DC wanted him to be more kid friendly. I believe he even killed the Joker in his first appearance.
This was the same guy who lynched people with the Batwing and hurled them off multi-story buildings.
This is definitely a situation where I can appreciate and respect the passion and creativity that clearly went into the story and planning, but I don't think I'd be a fan of this particular direction. I think it's best just to leave it as one of those great "What ifs? of history. I'd be down with seeing a comic adaptation or novelisation one day, but I don't think they need to rush out and make these movies. At least now we know that all the foreshadowing in BvS would have actually had a huge payoff.
That's kind of how I feel, personally. I'm not sure if I would have enjoyed these films, but it's definitely interesting to look at what the plans were and imagine how they would've turned out.
While I can admire the audacity to actually kill Batman; there’s a lot here that would’ve been outright refused by many had they come to pass. Also it looks like the pervasive problem as “Superman as plot point” seemed to return.
Interesting stuff. Thanks for putting this together, Owen!
My pleasure!
The unborn child baby daddy thing is too Soap Opera, but other than that it sounds interesting and something I'd enjoy watching as a fan of the Injustice games.
After taking some time to sink thing in, it's incredibly interesting to imagine what movie we would have gotten with Snyder's vision continued.
While the drama between Bruce and Lois sounds out there for sure, especially with the twist about the child, I do think overall the story sounds quite interesting, and like you said, Snyder himself went back on it and had a different outcome with that later.
I think what has me interested most is other possible League members who would join the fight. Shazam! was still in the works, but it's likely he'd show up as well. Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, who knows who else could have made appearances.
But I think what sells me the most is the sense of finality for it. I guess I'm just a sucker for solid conclusions, one of the best things about Avengers: Endgame to me was partly feeling that it was a strong point to call it finished. Obviously, it didn't end there, and it's unlikely the DC films would have ended there for good either, but I like seeing the story like that come to a close. At this point, I think we're just waiting to see what goes next, but damn, that alternate universe where these films happened sure sounds crazy.
Is no one gonna talk about how riddler was able to find the anti life equation before anyone else. Or that he was a character in the movie in the first place
OR THE GREEN LANTERN
Riddler wouldn't have found it. He just would've been the one to solve the equation. Also, if he gets to do these movies in some form, I want more Green Lantern! Honestly, I wouldn't even be opposed to Ryan Reynolds coming back as a differemt version of Hal Jordan. That movie of his was weak, but he was one of the only elements of that movie that even make it watchable. I assume he would be played by someone else, but I wouldn't be upset at all if Reynolds got another chance to shine.
At first I didn't like the idea of killing Batman. it is because I was unable to understand all the other videos discussing the story bords of Snyder. But in this video I got it, Thanks to you. Your channel deserve more viewers.
I really appreciate that, thank you so much!
I dont like Bruce and Lois having a son and i dont get why Barry needs the cosmic treadmill since in JL he tapped into the speed force and used time travel.
I think the idea was that the treadmill would allow Flash to travel back further. I know he reverses time at the end of ZSJL, but that was a minute or so, this would be 5+ years.
@@OwenLikesComics i rationalized the same thing.
@@OwenLikesComics my thoughts were the same. The treatdmill would allow for sustained, longer reaching and more targeted time travel.
I dont trust you sir...not today...
Watch it again tomorrow and see how you feel?
Great video as always
Thank you so much!
Hold it, was the kid Terry?
Edit: Bruce Kent? Seriously? 😹
Have you ever thought about doing a video on Edward Norton's plans for hulk sequels?
No, that's an interesting idea though.
It doesn't matter how big or successful this movie is. Warner doesn't want Snyder and Snyder doesn't want Warner. The Snyder Cut only happened because the pandemic pushed Warner to rush their streaming service and they realized they didn't have much material to upload. So someone, probably an intern, found a can with a semi complete movie and asked "how about this?"
Wow, I really liked the where Justice League 2 would've gone. Getting a movie where we get to see the League be regular heroes for a bit sounds like a great primer before we go full knightmare. Getting regular Superman before him going evil I particularly like instead of just going straight into that
And just what the hell did Bruce pull out of his utility belt that let him kill Darkseid?
Bat credit card debt
I can't decide if this is an April Fool's joke or fanfiction, probably both?
Honestly, I'm not witty enough to do a 16 minute long April Fools video. If only.
What's wrong with fanfiction? Every DC multiverse is a fanfiction.
@@TheFLAMEXD nothing is wrong with fanfiction, I just can't tell what the video is.
@@katherinealvarez9216 Oh okay.
It was the first draft of his original plan for his JL trilogy. The Snyder Cut already proves that although a lot of the broad strokes would've been the same, some of the particulars, specifically the Bruce/Lois stuff for example, were abandoned.
Great video, as always! But none of this sounds good to me. I don't know if I've ever given a director more chances than Snyder and always remain disappointed at best.
I can't bring myself to watching the movie.
After watching MauLer's video about the Snyder Cut, I'm one to think that it is worse than what Joss did. Sorry, mate, but the Snyderverse just doesn't interest me, as I'd rather have a bright, colorful and fun DC movie universe, than the washed out, dark and depressing one Snyder tried to give us.
There’s some cool stuff in these outlines but the whole Bruce/Lois kid is ridiculous and unnecessary, especially with the epilogue of that kid being the new Batman? It sounds like bad fan fiction. Also does Zack love Lois Lane or something, why must both Superman and Batman look to her as their only link to humanity?
It also seems annoying that all the Knightmare stuff wouldve been undone with time travel and no one remembers that timeline. At least in stuff like X-men days of future past, wolverine remembers his future, and he did more in the past than tell one person one bit of information. The way they do the Knightmare stuff here makes it seem like a big waste of time by the end of the day.
These were all early storyboards tho, none of these actually carried to the movie that we were given. No hint at all of Batman and Lois being in a relationship so it’s safe to say that this idea has been taken out.
Me: sees the cut title
also me: sees the full title
also me: So you decided to give me a heart attack?
I really like the broad strokes, but I'm glad the Bruce/Lois child was a first draft idea... Taking his movies as a self-contained story, I think it absolutely works, but I don't much care for the idea of Batman dying and staying dead when the ending would've helped to completely open up the whole DC Universe. A DCU without any member of the trinity feels off. I feel as though he would probably change even more of the fine-point details in future drafts, and all in all, I'd love to see some version of what he had planned, even if it is either exclusive to HBO Max as either more live action movies, animated films, or even graphic novels.
These would have been fire movies!
I really think the DC films were doomed to failure.
I honestly can't call these ideas a labour of love because I think Snyder has a fundamental misunderstanding of the characters.
This isn't Superman, it's Zach Snyders Superman.
This isn't Batman, it's Zach Snyders Batman.
It's the same for the rest of the cast.
I don't think the planned story was good enough to justify.
This is a very good and informative video. Good Job
Thank you! Really glad you found it informative.
I don't like:
-the Batman baby idea
-the fact that the rest of the Justice League couldn't defeat their own villains without Superman
-that it's Batman who kills Darksied.
The change to whose son it was, this would have been a really unique story if it ever got made, especially the Grant Morrison inspired bits.
Happy for making video, and I'm happy that people like Zack Snyder's Justice League.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@OwenLikesComics Thank you
ZSJL and ZSJL 2,3 is a masterpiece and a global phenomenon
Can you do a video on Sentry & his character exploration?
I talked about the Sentry a lot in my New Avengers video, if that helps.
@@OwenLikesComics ok let me Check
The problem with snyder's plan is it doesn't really lend itself to an extended universe. Sure if it was only JL movies (like LOTR) it might work, but not in an extended universe sense.
Kinda seems like more of a WB thing that got forced onto it. They greenlit him doing his story, then tried to shoehorn something else that was never intended to be designed to follow a Marvel Studios model because WB didn't want to go to the extra work to build something from the groubd up on the side. They've also historically this weird thing about hating multiple versions of characters existing in film and TV at the same time because "audiences would get too confused" or something, which probably lent to their feelings of not wanting to do something more expensive on the side while Snyder told his self-contained epic and left. Thankfully, they realized this concept of a multiverse is a thing that exists, and their embracing the multiverse conceit more.
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I think Zack's DC world would've been much better if it hadn't been "forced" - by the need to compete with the MCU - to tell the origins of the heroes. In other words, if the approach used for Batman had been used for all the heroes, in a Kingdom Come/TDKR-like universe where the heroes return after a long absence. I feel that would've given Zack the creative freedom he needed, with no need to worry about "setting up the universe" and all that crap.
I like the plotline of Darkseid getting the Anti-Life Equation and taking over Earth. Sounds very much like the DC version of Infinity War and Endgame. I'm glad the Bruce and Lois stuff was scrapped, though.
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While I don't think a Live-Action interpretation of these movies is happening, an Animated version with the entire original cast would be just as awesome and less expensive.
Going in with April Fools skepticism
That's my secret, I'm always fooling.
That didn't relieve my skepticism at all, but thanks😅@@OwenLikesComics
Your work on the red hood video earned you a new subscriber
Thank you so much!
Until a couple of weeks ago, I would have said that Snyder's JL2 and 3 were toast. But with recent changes in ownership, I'm not so sure anymore.
I'm hoping that they _don't_ just jump in head-first into JL2; at the very least, give us a sequel to Man of Steel. Use that sequel to correct the characterization of Caville's Superman, taking lessons from the TV show “Superman and Lois”: show Superman becoming more genuinely heroic and caring, and less driven by fear and tragedy - that's a Batman schtick, and Superman doesn't need it. I'd call the movie “Man of Tomorrow”, and have its theme be about embracing hope for the future.
I'd also like it if other Leaguers got similar character-building movies; though The Batman, Wonder Woman 1984, Aquaman 2, and The Flash haven't hit the right notes (The Batman is cool; but it's at the start of his career), and it's too soon to do another round; but maybe we could get something good for Cyborg and for Green Lantern?
_Then_ give us JL2 and 3 more or less back-to-back, similar to how Back to the Future Parts 2 and 3 or Matrix Reloaded and Revelation were done, but adjust the ending of JL3 to end right after Darkseid's defeat, leaving room for a more open-ended future where each Leaguer gets a chance to earn the “happy ending” Snyder envisioned for them, in their own movie.
I personally loved what Snyder wanted to do, including Bruce being the father of Louis’ child. The idea is not stupid like some think but realistic. Obviously, the consummation occurred after Superman was dead. And the thought was then that Superman isn’t coming back. This sort of thing happens in real life. Plus, it makes sense for the story. The Flash had to tell Bruce he is the father to give Bruce the courage to sacrifice himself.
Snyder wasn’t interested in making a rated PG film but instead one that is thought provoking and consequential. And make no mistake, his story was consequential. It’s an adult film, not a Disney flick intended for kids.
Fuck i would have liked to have seen these. Deff in a new unexpected direction.
I think these would have been great, not keen on the Lois pregnant story, but the rest is great, I really loved the DCEU and wish WB would have had more confidence, there's a lot of people realising how the story would have fit together after the Snyder Cut release, and I believe the sequels would have been slightly retooled anyway, so I think they should move forward with sequels and complete the epic
Yeah I hate that the son was actually Bruce’s child. Implying that Bruce may have hit it with Lois. Also, Superman succumbing to Anti-Life is not a story arc I’m looking forward to. I don’t think I want anymore evil Superman. But the final battle against Darkseid does sound dope.
I would like to see a sequel to Zack Snyder's Justice League but if it does happen i hope they don't do this exactly. Especially the Lois and Bruce thing
Thankfully, that was only a first draft idea that got scrapped.
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I just bought Ray Porter's DARKSEID ZSJL MCFARLANE TOY
Thank God they didn't go through with this end
Do you know what should have appeared in the Snyder cut, Thannagar since the people who live there do look like the angels and I would have added other members in the injustice league and also Batman and Lois thing is so nonsensical because I prefer they bring in Catwoman instead.
Little bits here and there are in the wrong place, but you get the general idea. Not sure why you rearranged how certain parts play out.
Yeah i do like some of the ideas but i am thinking that the new dcus plans are a tad bit stronger in my opinion because of the different stories and different tones and single stories then it leads up to a justice league movie.
This would have been awesome!!!
I have mixed feelings when it comes to Snyder’s DCverse. On the one hand, Some of the ideas are interesting and could be cool to see. On the other hand, the Snyder movies tend to be boring, drowning, miserable experience and that really isn’t something the average movie watcher would want to see.
Agreed
Eh I don’t know about that but that just might be your opinion.
Some alterations can be great if they let him do more justiceleague movies. Like jon kent instead of Bruce Kent. Let nightwing be the new batman or something. Or not kill batman because they can make a kingdom come movie where we can see afflect on a suit.
I'm so glad they decided to not go down the route of Bruce from being the father to Lois' baby, the rest of the plans and ideas sound cool though - I wish we saw Jon Stewart Green Lantern too - But I was ultimately satisfied with Zack Snyder's Justice League - Great breakdown of the film's journey Owen! What did you think of the Snyder cut?
Thanks! I actually enjoyed ZSJL more than I anticipated. The Flash sequence at the end is one of my favourite comic book movie moments.
@@OwenLikesComics same here! A fantastic finale to the final battle!
I never liked Snyder's take on the DC Superheroes. I mean talk about depressing, cynical and backstabbing ways to showcase this iconic group of characters. I mean honestly even if these plans were to follow up on, then it would have been even harder for DC and WB to even think of placing these heroes on film again given how often Snyder's work is polarizing to begin with.
Oh no. I’m not gonna get more…..”masterpieces” like the Snyder Cut. Someone grab me a violin😂
I fear for Snyder's sanity if he ever though Warner was going to allow him to film this terrible Batman fanfiction wrote by a 13 years old, especially after the failures of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.
Bury this, and lets not ever talk about it again...we have Black Adam, The Suicide Squad, and Aquaman 2 coming, the future of the DCEU is looking pretty good, leaving behind these absolutely insane ideas.
Hey do you think justice league is gonna have jsa
Looks like we'll see the JSA in Black Adam, which is exciting.
I like Zscks DCEU & marvel/MCU but am a DC fan first, wish it was all built up like the MCU, ya know? Blue Beetle as a Spider-Man type, GL as GOTG, etc. not all comic movies gotta follow their (MCU) plot but that’s kinda how comics do it too
*Release the Bees!*
Crazy to think we heard about a "scary idea" and prepped for an Injustice style on screen lois lane death but LoisLane x Batman... wowsers! that was quite the blindside. Though feel it would be better if it doesn't completely cuck Superman in the end and has Bruce Kent have a half kryptonian half sibling functioning as the new Superman and Bruce Kent dawning the blue and grey Batsuit with the yellow circle emblem since in a way inadvertently looks like it blends both the Superman and Batman and you get a version of Super-Sons the original ones from 1973.
These were early ideas, as u can tell none of that stuff was set up in the Snyder cut bc it’s never going to happen. They were scrapped so Lois and Clark are in a relationship and that is indeed their kid.
The only thing I didnt really care for was hearing how Snyder treated The Riddler, glad Dano will own the role in The Batman !
I am very excited for Dano's Riddler. He's going to be awesome!
@@OwenLikesComics agreed, I've been rewatching old movies ive not seen in a while and Prisoners and There will be Blood came into my shuffle and Dano blows away every performance!
I just realized this was released on April 1st
Completely coincidental, I swear.
I loved every movie from ZACK SNYDER
ZACK SNYDER and DAVID AYER is the all time best directors
I just watched OPPENHEIMER in Theaters
Some of these ideas sound good and sounds like it would have made for an epic movie series, but others sound bad. Everyone has talked about Bruce and Lois, but for me I feel Cyborg changing his appearance to look more human contradicts his wonderful character arc in the Snyder Cut. What I think should have happened is that Cyborg discovers he can alter his appearance, but decides against it as he has already come to accept himself as he is.
Hi Owen! As usual damn great job! There needs some revisions of JLA franchise but hopefully something will be done! These iconic characters are too damn much potential to waste! DC needs to stop dragging their assets and move forward! I would love to see a JLA series of movies! Thanks ,Owen! Keep up the great work!
I would rather Zach Snyder end his involvement with Justice League and go off on a high note. These ideas sound promising, but the issue is execution. Justice League was good and much better than I expected, but at the same time I remember how divisive BvS was and how the uncut version of that movie didn’t really change people’s minds, people who liked it before still liked it while people who disliked that movie felt the longer version didn’t add anything to make the quality better. I just don’t think Zach Snyder ever really got Superman. Even though I liked the MoS I felt like that movie tried to deconstruct Superman and make him darker to try to make him more interesting and I’m kind of getting sick of how we have to deconstruct and make the more “vanilla” heroes darker to make them good characters. I feel like his Superman will be lacking to me even if he overhaul these ideas. I fear he might unintentionally keep replicating what he did with Watchmen for varied success rate, worked for MoS, split the base with BvS, and worked for JL. I respect his vision and the attempt to make these stand out from MCU, but I really think if these ideas had happened they wouldn’t have been as good as the JL movie we got this year.
I’m so glad we won’t be getting any of this. WB is making the right decision leaving Snyder’s vision behind. This just sounds terrible. Even if there are some slight changes due to this being the original plan, most of it would still be the same and it would suck. I’m tired of seeing Zack butcher these characters and stories. We need to move on from the Snyder and push forward to a new DC cinematic universe. And if they want to do a reboot then they can have a Flashpoint movie where the current future is fucked and Barry goes back to change that and give us a better, more comic accurate, timeline and then they can start the DCEU from scratch. WB needs to ignore the Snyder cultists who refuse to believe anything about his films is bad and claim that anyone who does so are just stupid haters, hating on Zack because they think it’ll make them cooler. This isn’t the 90s. Forcing yourself to not like something popular doesn’t make you cool anymore. Zack has no respect for the comics as seen by his butchering of the characters and his lies about the comics. He said that Batman killed in The Dark Knight Returns. And his brainwashed cultists just believed him. We should get a new hashtag going to promote moving on from Snyder’s DC universe so that we can get the DC movies we deserve.