French Algerian Hanafi Challenges Shamsi On Blind Following In Islam | Speakers Corner
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Wallahi this is a calamity. People associates Salafiyyah with hating madhahib, but we follow madhab without blind following. They treat blind following like Usool Al-Deen. They have wala wa’l bara for madhab but not Aqeedah
The irony is many of these madhabis, especially hanafis, don't even 'follow' their madhabs. They just blindly follow whatever was taught to them by their parents or fellow blind followers. If you were to ask them to name their hanafi scholars, very few would be able to do that, or name a hanafi text book by Abu Hanifa, 99% of them wouldn't have a clue.... its a case of the blind following the blind!
As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
Also whoever I know from those who say “we are hanafis” either are ignorants or innovators. And honestly, many times when someone who follows Qur’an and Sunnah, become Salafi and abandon these madhab talks
What do you define as blind following?
@@hallalslice7129when you follow opinions of the scholars even though the texts show otherwise. This is very common nowadays.
@@ekbalhussain3269 exactly, the „hanafis“ in my area are clean shaven and listen to music while this is very clearly against their madhhab.
They're the same everywhere! Subhanallah
يا شمسي بارك الله فيك اعرض عن الجاهلين والسفهاء ولا يشغلونك عن الدعوه
(هذا من كعالتها ويجر )
Is it possible to mute the background noise more in ur edit program?
That guy is misguided and is insincere he doesn't care about the haqq, which is why he is a blind follower....the other seemed more sincere - he actually listened
I would say the lack of communication due to his English and not knowing Arabic along with his ignorance of certain topics is the reason the conversation was like this as opposed to him being insincere, tbf to him
this haq word has many many different meaning why do u do all the haqq's? of all the different meansing mr
@@tshelby9808 Nah, it is clear he came there with the intention to not listen and instead to justify his blind following - it is clear
@@shahmoneyshahmoney9250 Haqq meaning truth, and truth is established by the Qur'ân and authentic Sunnah based upon the understanding and implementation of the salaf as-sâlih.
Yes
Imam al-Shaafa’i:
"It is obligatory to accept a report
once it is proven, even if the
Imams did not act upon this
report."
(al-Risaalah p. 463)
🤦🏻
@@yourstruly5706 ❤
Not for yourself. People of knowledge are doing that already. But this is not your job. If you are butcher, cut the meat, not a hadith !
@@yourstruly5706 💚
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ this guy is unbelievable, just uttering
Lol blud couldn’t answer one question when asked for proofs sad as hell
As a trilingual Algerian I wanna say that French is one of the worst languages when it comes to understanding islamic theology. Doesn’t get well with Arabic at all.
لييه !!!
شنو علاقة اللغه بالموضوع
@@jth6587 لم يعجبك الحال عندما اعاب الفرنسية ؟ ههه هي لغة ميتة و الكل يعلم ذلك
@@medali908
بلعكس انا ابيه يشرحلي ايش الفرق بين الفرنسيه مع الانجليزيه حول العلم الشرعي
طبعا العربيه فوق المقارنات
They should be speaking arabic to each other. It’s a calamity.
@@jth6587 أخي أقصد أنا اللغة الفرنسية ضعيفة جدا من ناحية ترجمتها للعربية. و بأني الحمد لله فصيح في كلتا اللغتين (الفرنسية و الإنجليزية) وجدت الإنجليزية أحسن من الفرنسية في ترجمة معاني القرآن و السنة.
و فوق ذالك يسهل بكثير لمن يجيد الإنجليزية تعلم و فهم العربية خلاف عن الذي هو مفرنس و هذا الشاب في الفيديو دليل على ذلك و رأيت الكثير من أمثاله في حياتي. هذا و الله أعلم.
JazakALLAHukhairan
Jazaak Allahu khayr my brother Shamsi, we got to let people speak and get their points across so that we can respond accordingly. Hayyakum Allah
Shaykh ibn ‘Uthaymeen رحمه الله said,
“Do not have fanaticism to a caller [of Islām] or a reformer [i.e., a scholar] who is keen on guiding to the truth.
We do not recognize the truth by the abundance of men. Rather, we recognize the truth by that which conforms with the Qur’ān and Sunnah.”
[Sharh ul-Mumti’ alā Zād al-Mustaqni’ 4/379 | Shaykh ibn ‘Uthaymeen رحمه الله]
بارك الله فيكم
جزاكم الله خيرا
Eid Mubarak.
I doubt whether a blind follower actually studied fiqh books of the imams that he blindly follows. They always bring ahadith to back their claims. The imams never said, "it is like this, period", without evidence.
The fact that he admitted that there was 3 opinions and he still followed the weakest opinion of the 3 proved he will continue following blindly even when the most authentic daleel is brought to him.
plural of hadith is ahadith; no s
أحسنت القول يا شيخ بارك الله فيك
barakallahu feek
The guy doesn’t speak arabic and came debating for the sake debating what a waste of time 😂
And yeah.. that guy who blind follows Abu hanifa doesn't know Arabic and is misguided 👍
You don’t necessarily need to know Arabic to debate grow up fellas. The Guy is miskeen he doesn’t have Islamic knowledge that’s all.
Every Muslim must strive hard to learn the Arabic language but you can still debate without knowing Arabic even if the knowledge you have is little as long as you speak from that knowledge and remain quiet when it does not suit you to speak
@@Randomhandlenamelayman have no business to debate. You can give dawah on the fundamentals, but certainly not debate.
@@virtualwanderer you can definitely debate on the knowledge you do have
Hafidhahullah. BarakAllahu Feekum
Allaahoema baariek aghi Shamsi!
Brother Shamsi may Allah give you patient against this kind of ignorant people
You have Ahl Bidaà debating with br Shamsi hafidhAllaah... holding tasbeh... !!? May Allaah protect and preserve ahlus sunnah al ghurabaah clarifying the truth amongst the ignorant aameen
These people are ignorant.
Salafi is Aqidah.
Hanafi is Fiqh.
I could be aSalafi and follow all the 4 sects of Fiqh.
Thank you brother Shamsi. Keep it up.
Imam malik doesnt know a lot.... from a guy giving dawah in a park in london...... this guys is a genius
Brudda, his point is that imam Malik doesn't know a lot and that's true, the point is look if imam Mālik doesn't know much then imagine us
You Donkey, he said Imam Malik doesnt know everything.
He says the people of madhaahib are muta"ssib, but then this zionist will become a mutassib to ale saood, this guys reality has came out, just look how he tried to blame the palestinians for whats happening, until some people smacked him up.
Then look at him critizise imam malik ( a real salaf) and big up ale saood, this guy is a blind madhkhali
You took it out of context. He didn't know 37 out of 40 questions.
As-Sam’aanee (Rahimahullah) (d.562H) said in al-lnsaab (3/273): “As-Salafi: this is an ascription to the Salaf and following their ways, in that which is related from them.”
lbn al-Atheer (Rahimahullah) (d.630H) said in al-Lubaab fee Tahdheebul-lnsaab (2/162), commenting upon the previous saying of as-Sam’aanee: “And a group were known by this ascription (salafi).”
Shamsi is back.Alhamdulillah
I’m a Hanafi and I follow their rules. They give the reasoning for their decisions. I ask scholars for fatwas and rulings in the Hanafi school and that’s enough.
They support their reasoning, by coran and sunnah? Or it’s simple because they tell you so?
Following rules in the Hanafi school is not enough. Qur'an and Sunnah upon the way of the Salaf is sufficient
Imaam Ibn Abil-Izz who said,
“The Companions and Taabi’een would follow the path instructed by the Messenger of Allaah (Sallalahu Alayhee Was-Sallam) and the earlier and latter people were also advised to follow (Ittibaa) the Messenger of Allaah (Sallalahu Alayhee Was-Sallam). They followed the Messenger of Allaah (Sallalahu Alayhee Was-Sallam) all their lives…” (Sharh Aqeedah Tahawiyyah (p.72).
I’m sorry, but this guy is the reason why people need the scholars or ma Schaykh. He just reads whenever and whatever he wants and makings his own rules and rulings. Rarely seen a person so ignorant on Islam then this guy who claims to be Hanafi and makes bold claims without bringing proofs and lacking even basic fundamentals. He should really start with Wudu, salah etc.
Imaam Ismaa’eel bin Yahya al-Muzani (rahimahullah) said: “I pronounce that Imaam Shaafi’ee has prohibited from doing his or anyone else’s taqleed, so that they (every person) can take his deen under consideration and be careful for themselves.” [Mukhtasir ul-Muzani: Pg 1]
Imaam Shaafi’ee said: “Wala Tuqallidooni (And do not do my taqleed)” [Adaab ush-Shaafi’ee wa Manqibuhu by Ibn Abi Haatim Pg 51, Chain Hasan]
Mashalla
سبحان لدلك قال النبي ستتفرق امتي ألى 73 فرقة لدلك لتفادي دلك اتباع النبي و اصحابه الحمد لله يارب
This was west of time with all my respect ❤
Did the one just said, that when they ( the Sahaba where traveling) they prayed 2 or 3 Asr?! 🤦🏻♂️ they didn't pray 2 or 3 asr they prayed 1 Asr, if they would be all together they would have pray once all together, but because they where far away every group prayed Asr in it's time. Why do people not use their brains, Allāhul Musta'an.
r you from omar tribe? r u related to him if not change yr name what is this abu stuff
@@shahmoneyshahmoney9250 Are you mad bro?! My sons name is Omar.
Abu Omar means the father of Omar, i see you Ignorant.
That was a tough watch. That french guy was full ideas and philosophical statements. No knowledge, may allah guide him and us ameen ya raab.
Shame I is a legend may Allah swt protect him
Either he is ignorant...or he follows an intelligence agency
Obviously Imam Malik is above all of us, but at the same time we should understand that Imam Malik didn't have a library and Internet filled with all Sahih Hadiths and the sayings of the Sahabah...etc.
Are you joking ?
@@rlynotabot no!!
Do you know the meaning of Muwatta?
@@aminujamiu758 yes!!
Why do you ask!?
@@aminujamiu758I don't know meaning of Muwatta, can you explain please? JazakAllahu khayr
The respected scholar of the hanafee’s, Zamakhsharee mu’tazilee said,
“If there is a mother of misguidance! then it has to be taqleed.” (Itwaaq Az-Zabaab (p.42).
He is a one of the heads of the mutazila tho
Al-Dhahabi reported: Ibn Wahb, may Allah have mercy on him, said, “Were it not for Malik and Al-Layth, I would have been ruined. I used to believe that everything narrated about the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, should be acted upon.”
Source: Siyar Aʻlām al-Nubalāʼ 8/148
"My mother doesn't call me son, son, son" 😂
Shamsi is the man. Trust me pls and do yourself a favour and subscribe
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This guy's needs to listen and interact more
Ignorance and arrogance is a dangerous combination Wallahi
Jamal schooled him at the end
The last two minutes of the video shows this Hanafii has doubt of the Quran being preserved
please reduce the background noise
Who installed a noise machine in Hyde Park?😠
So funny the guy accepts that he is following blindly while the quran is clear and is saying that we should never follow blindly and that we should use are intelect and brain.
“If religion were based on opinion [what people think is common sense], then the bottom of the leather socks would be wiped rather than the top, but I saw the Messenger of Allaah wiping the top of them.” - Ali Ibn Abi Taalib
Well that depends on what u define as “follow blindly” certain things in Islam we don’t know and we just follow. I wouldn’t call it blind tho
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Imaam Tahaawee said,
“ONLY THE DISOBEDIENT AND MISGUIDED DOES TAQLEED.” (Leesaan ul-Meezaan (1/280) Of Imaam Ibn Hajr al Asqalaanee.
This Hanafi also not Following Hanfi Mazhab, Imam Hanafiy wasn’t Motrudiy !
The problem is that most of people that said they follow Imam Abu Haneefah actually know nothing about him. They follow Matuuridee.
But you know about Abdul Wahab right??
Not the same level shamsi is right
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Free Gaza
One thing I hate the most is fake humble people it drives me insane!
Who is the brother with those bits of commentary in the back hahaha
It's Abu Kenzah, the brother on the Channel that conducts arabic lessons
May Allah guide him
The Salafi dawah is a methodology and not a sect or madhab as it has never had any one overall leader expect the prophet Muhammad ﷺ all other sects, groups or madhabs have a founder or overall leader either in the past or today. Salafis also do not blindly-follow anyone scholars understanding of Islam in every issue unlike groups and sects with in Islam. Salafis follow the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah also known as Ahlus Sunnah from the past and of today collectively on all issues.
Salafis can come from the Maliki, the Shafi’i, the Hanbali, or the Hanafi schools of law.
Salafis accept teaching of all four schools of law but only if their rulings are supported by clear and authenticated evidences from the Quran and Sunnah. Salafis reject blind-following (taqleed) and call to Ittibaa following and obedience to the Messenger of Allah ﷺ.
They only say a person should not blind follow a madhab. By this what is meant is following only one madhab in every issue without knowing their evidences believing this madhab is correct on every issue, while rejecting every other madhab on every issue without knowing their evidences, believing they are wrong on every issue.
JazakAllahu khayraa.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
I'm 1st 😂
Wa alaykum assalaam warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh 🍪
Allah bless shamsi even tho im hanafi i think shamsi is coreect here
I can hear Adnan Rashid voice might be debating with Qadiyani from 31:27
He really said my Deleel is my Shaykh!!!
People think this is the debate on fique madhab but actually it's about manhaj ❤
This is not even a debate its an Innovator getting corrected and when he doesn't agree he gets refuted. He refuted himself saying he is a Muqalid.
Mu’aadh bin Jabal (radiallah anhu) said: “Even if an Aalim in upon guidance, do not do his taqleed in your deen.”[Jaami Bayaan al-Ilm: 2/222 H. 955, Chain Hasan]
Note: The clear permissibility of taqleed, either from the sayings or from the actions, is not proven from a single Sahaabi (Companion) from among all the Sahaabah. On the contrary Haafidh Ibn Hazam al-Andalusi said:
“It is the proven Ijmaa of all the Sahaabah from beginning till the end, and all the taabi’een from beginning till the end that accepting all the sayings of a person from amongst them or from the people before them is prohibited and impermissible.”
[Al-Nabazat ul-Kaafiyah by Ibn Hazam Pg 71, Ar-Radd ala man Akhlad ilal ard lil Suyooti Pg 131-132, Deen Main Taqleed ka mas’ala Pg 34-35]
Almost every conversation with maturidi/Ashanti hiding behind blind following a madhhab .
Theres nothing wrong with a layman following madhab, a madhab consists of scholarly work over centuries not just the opinion of 1 man. Not everyone can be a mujtahid
With no sound
No imam Malik said I don’t know they weren’t fiqh or aqidah or anything they were questions regarding some other stuff
Absolute blind following is haraam. Yes you can blind follow unti a daleel negates the opinion of a scholar. If you are knowledgeable and can distinguish using daleel. That's a general principle. Now many laymen hanafies blind follow because their muftis present daleel whether saheeh or dhaeef which laymen cannot distinguish.
لو كان الشعب الجزايري يتبعك يعرفك كما انت لسبوك و لأخذت طريحة اينما ذهبت يا شمسي
لهذا لا تكذب على الشعب الجزائري الذي كره المغرب الشفيق كله بسبب التطبيع
الشعب الجزائري يكره التكبيع حكومة و شعبا
اقسم غير البزاق و السقلة حتى تخرج من الجزائر يا الإنجليزي
This Guy needs to know that every Imam or every Scholar has their own expertise in any subject. You can't say they know all.
13min 40 that should be clipped on shorts looooool
Shamsi is bang on as usual but the delivery to this guy was poor he wasn’t understanding so it was like shamsi had no patience for him 🤷♂️
very hard to watch. self-proclaimed "hanafi" who opposed Imam abu Hanifah trying to dictate about "wahhabism"
*Leaving the madhhab when it opposes a hadeeth | Shaykh Muhammad ibn abdul wahhab رحمه الله*
If a person is learning fiqh from one of the four madhhabs, then he sees a hadeeth that opposes his madhhab; and so he follows it and leaves his madhhab then this is recommended, rather it is obligatory upon him when the proof has been made clear to him.
This would not be considered as opposing his Imaam that he follows, since they Abu Haneefah, Maalik, ash-Shaafiee and Ahmad, radiallaahu anhum ajmaeen were all agreed upon this fundamental principle.
... As for the case whereby a person does not have any evidence which opposes the view of the scholars of the madhhab, then we hope that it is permissible to act upon it (the madhhab), since their opinions are better than our own opinions; they took their proofs from the sayings of the Companions and those who came after them.
However, it is not essential to declare with certainty (al-jazm) that this is the Shareeah of Allaah and His Messenger, until the proof that is not contradicted in this issue is made clear.
This is the action of the Salaf of this Ummah and its scholars both previous and recent as well as that which they criticised:
namely having bigotted partisanship for particular madhhabs and leaving off following the proof...
However, if there becomes clear to him something which necessitates preferring one saying over another;
either due to detailed proofs if he knows and understands them, or because he holds one of the two people to be more knowledgeable about this matter and having more piety about what he says, and so he leaves the saying of that one for the saying of the other one then this is permissible, rather it is obligatory.
And there is a text from Imaam Ahmad concerning this.
Shaykh ul-Islaam Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhaab
Ad-Durur-Saniyyah (4/7).
Ahmed bin hanbal RA
These guys just read 2,3 books and thought they would debate with shamsi.shamsi be like 😁😁😁🤭
Quran and Ahlulbait (as) only. Read Sahih Muslim.
🤍
I’m sorry but he is not a match for shamsi I would appreciate shamsis knowledge when he debate his match then we gonna see who is more knowledgeable
29:55 i did not know about that subhanallah. Thats extreme
Yes, its true Subhanallâh
can you give me a source?
@@dinfakhrudin4055I can also not find a source which is important as this is big claim
Shaikh Al albani, rahimahullah, mentions these bizarre fatwas in his book the prophets prayer described.
Read the intro. Shaikh albani rahimahullah was known to be precise, and he is, of course, a great muhaddith, so when he narrates something like that, you know its reliable.
29:57 someone has to give the referencr for this, it's outrageous you can make a claim like this withoht backing it. It's setting up the phenomena of just randomly saying things without qualifying them.
The Shafis during their eras were also vehemently ferocious against the Hanafis and would also prohibit and declare it to be unlawful to pray behind the Hanafis just on the basis of differences in Fiqh. For example if the hanafi imam touched his wife whilst being in a state of wudu or if he did not pray in a clam manner. Imam Nawawi went onto say praying behind them under such circumstances was impermissible according to Shaikh Ibn Qaffal and this was also the position of the majority (of the scholars of the shafis) and this is what is correct.
He goes onto say Shaikh Abu Ishaq Isfaraini said that a Shafi should never pray behind a hanafi, also they say if a Hanafi did wudu according to Shafi way then according to the majority (of the shafi) scholars praying behind such an Imam is correct. Shaikh Ibn Qaffal said his prayer is incorrect. Etc. Also statements of this kind have been cited from Shaikh al-Awdani and Shaikh al-Halimi who were from the major Shafi scholars. (The details of which can be seen in Sharh al-Muhazab of Imam Nawawi 1/203 and 4/289)
And what he is saying
Barakallah feek br. Shamsi. I'm a Salafi too, I agree with most of what you say, but unfortunately I disagree with the imam Malik's argument. Our scholars quote that to show humility and knowledge of Imam Malik, and you have used it to show his lack. It would not harm your dawah if you remove this video and clarify the mistake in a video. I know you are a straight forward honest brother, and please accept this small request from your brother.
" brother you're too calm for me, I can't speak to you" 😂😂
I would rather blind follow Imam Malik, imam Abu Hanifa than blind follow the scholars of najd
Its Haram to blind follow the creation of Allaah [سبحانه و تعالى] full stop. don't let your hate for the land of Tawheed and Sunnah keep you misguided. The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) mentioned every new invented matter is an Innovation and every innovation is Misguidance and every Misguidance is in the Hellfire.
So when your done with your hate reflect maybe you'll come to realise its not worth wasting your Imaan.
Any other contribution rather than slander guardian of squid ?
When no daleel, resort to slander
@@uzbaig5952 we all blind follow to a certain degree, I would rather take the positions of the classical, established madahib than take the opinions of ghayr Muqalid like Albani
I would rather blind follow tawheed then blind follow bidah
Ustadh not gonna lie you should talk a bit more softly I know you should be stern against ahlul bidah but just speak with a bit of a softer tone BarakAllahufeekum
His softer tone is reserved for kaafirs
he is maghrebian it is hard for us😂
The colonised Algerian vs the uncolonised Algerian.
There's no such thing as a colonized Algerian... watch your words.
@@hassanbendaoud2446 no.
@@hassanbendaoud2446 Some algerians are mentally colonized, it's a fact I know sooooo many of them. And it's not only algerians, many many muslims Allahul musta'an
@@ElinorMilanesiyeah, most of their words when they speak are french words. Likewise the Moroccans and Tunisians
@@IZIKI-399
"Most of their words are french, likewise moroccans and tunisians"
Not true, most of the maghrebi darija languages words come from arabic. Ofc there are many french words used, but they do not form the majority of our languages.
A lot of hanafis are blind followers.
I think it's not a big issue to take a fiqh and to taqlid.....
Layman don't have time to study hadith, let them follow Madhab
Brother shamsi please debate shia's such as rafed responds and sayf. They are whispering doubts about the religion in many ears
It's important to note that using these so-called prayer beads is not in accordance with the Sunnah. I think They may belong to a different religion and Muslims who follow bidah/innovation started using them back in the day
May Allah protect you our Salafi brother From deviant groups Harigji Ihfani Hizb Eshaari Maturidi Sufi Shia etc. Greetings from Kosovo We love you for the sake of Allah The Harijs have made our life and dave difficult Because of their deviant actions.
الله المستعان 🤦
yo ayyub
Yoooooo
Pipe down @@yusuf-eq5yq
Jannah stop lurking
Shhh
Imam hanfi which sahbas he met ?
He met 6 sahabas
@@loishebbat3528 who did he Rahimahullah meet and what is the proof?
@@loishebbat3528i think he only met or saw anas ibn malik
@@_ibnmuhammad we are talking about facts, not opinions
@@loishebbat3528 Imam Ibnul Jawzi said in al 'Ilal al-Mutanāhiyah (1/128):
قال الدارقطني: وأبوحنیفة لم یسمع من أحد من الصحابة ، إنما رأی أنس بن مالك بعینه
“Daraqutni said: And Abu Hanifah did not hear [hadiths] from any of the companions. He saw Anas ibn Malik with his eyes.”
Anyone wanna chat debate on the topic of taqleed (blind following)?
@@naqeebkhan3372 I am on ur side brother... I want to debate a ghayr muqallid😊! Btw I have got some solid points also just waiting for a ghayr muqallid...
@@naqeebkhan3372 how come are u hanafi if you are ghayr muqallid?
@@mainlyy.baqirr Bro I'm not Hanafi
@@mainlyy.baqirr Brooo CZcams is blocking my comments
@@mainlyy.baqirr me
Don’t debate yourself in the mirror 😂😂
This brother is definitely slow in the head brother shamsi has no time for slow people.
Then why are u not keeping a beard in accordance with Sunnah.. Oh brother?
😂Bro before commenting like this check the youtube,
He said clearly he doesn't shave his beard his beard doesn't grow, as his father aged 75 only has some patches of beard.
Some people don't get beard like everyone.
Most hanafis treat Imam Abu Hanifa Rahimahullah as a Prophet.