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Rider is definitely it's successor. It's much faster and works flawlessly. So vs isn't even needed, I never us vs since I've downloaded rider. Even though it was meant more for cpp and unreal
Wait, this is so confusing. I've heard many CEOs say they're "dropping" something, as in, they're going to stop supporting it. So dropping means both introducing AND ending something? FFS, use more words to express different things people.
Visual Studio's relationship with Visual Studio Code is like Java's relationship with JavaScript
very well-said.
How?
@@RandyHanley thanks!
@@entx8491 the pair have similar names but not actually the same or one.
@@entx8491 they absolutely have nothing to do with each other, other than sharing some words in their names
I sometimes wonder if the teams at Microsoft, who developed Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code, revel in the joy of knowing that the linguistic ambiguity of those products will continue to confuse people till the end of time. I take a hard guess and say yes.
More than likely, some exec came up with the name, leaving the devs cynically laughing at the confusing result
Of course it was Xamarin, as a separate company, that “invented” Xamarin Studio, which was rebranded as VS for Mac after the acquisition.
Visual Studio Code developers was an entire Microsoft team mainly from Europe that started as a lightweight code editor using Electron while Visual Studio has a large multidisciplinary teams (C++, .NET, etc) mainly from USA using a code base with years of development. The name was just a way to associate both projects under the umbrella of MS development tools.
So is Visual Studio not for coding?
@@vikingthedude Nah, it's for developing ;)
I might be the only person who liked Visual Studio for Mac. I was hoping one day it would catch up to full functionality of MS VS. Every major release got a little better. Kinda bummed about this!
@@imtotallyjustin Rider is great, I use it all the time, granted I come from an IntelliJ background. I'm concerned too because every once in a while I still have to boot up VS for Mac for one reason or another.
me too!
I am also big fan of Rider mainly because its compatible with Visual Studio projects and its also capable of using it in teamwork where both IDEs are present.
Not just you. I used VS for Mac and liked it. For some reason, it worked really well on my M1. For my needs, it compared very well to running VS under Parallels or my Lenovo with the 64GB RAM and i7 (12gen). I found the performance was generally very decent, on a par with the Windows box, and for some projects, significantly faster.
I'm sorry to see this end, but I learned about Rider from this thread and will look into it.
Bro, what did u expected? really. THEY KILLED THE WINDOWS PHONE AND IT WAS AWESOME, JUST NEEDED MORE APPS
Just use jet brains ides
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Visual Studio is an IDE with the Microsoft C/C++/MASM compiler. VSCode is a text editor. The MS compiler without the IDE can be installed separately, it's called the Microsoft Platform SDK at the moment. In the past, MS distributed the compiler-only version of Visual Studio as Microsoft Windows Build Tools. VSCode is an Electron JS app. Whereas, Visual Studio is mostly written in C, .NET, Windows SDK, and partly C++/ MFC, as far as I'm aware.
EDIT: The names look somewhat similar.
Basically we're talking an actual IDE vs fancy notepad
@@stickguy9109More like a full IDE to a partial one. I understand maybe calling syntax highlighting fancy but vs Code has way too many features to say "fancy text editor". Way beyond notepad++
I knew about Microsoft built tools but not "Microsoft Platform SDK" I'll look into it and see what I find.
I know that even if you have clang installed, it'll use msvc for certain things like standard library and linker I think.
Visual Studio is mostly written in C#, definitely not C. The whole UI is WPF.
It's not just a code editor, it's a generic IDE
Excellent explanation!
3:06 - no heat, it's painfully satisfying to use VIm
After about 20 years of Visual Studio I moved to IntellJ last year for all my development tasks. Using Webstorm instead of vscode and Rider instead of Visual Studio. And I do like it a lot.
The thing is Visual Studio doesn't support R.
The new C# Dev Kit Extension for VS Code is meant to bring a complete C# dev environment, and it does a descent job. You can view solutions and do other stuff in a way similar to the traditional IDEs.
thanks for sharing that
Bring back VB 6!
Vim and nvim are for basically for small text editing (config editing, small bash scripts, etc.), vscode is for actual programming projects (although i use vscodium which doesnt have ms tracking) visual studio is for unity development
Edit: these are my use cases
That's one more reason I think Microsoft should adopt Rider as the main IDE for .NET platform, even for Windows.
I use VS 2022 for C/C++ development.
Visual Studio IDE where I work, Visual Studio Code where I play.
Went from MS to Jetbrains. Best move one could do.
The people who say "why use VS 2022 when there is VS Code" is the very people who don't use THE Visual Studio. Gen Z I suppose? My first VS was VS 6.
My first was Visual Studio C++ 1.5
I had to work with Visual Studio for aspnet project in the past but was very happy to move to vscode when .net core became a thing and I ported the project to it. Part of that was because I didn't have to use windows anymore but also because it was lightweight and it could still do everything I needed to the point that I never had to leave it, whatever I'm doing, including database management. Also it had better terminal and tasks.
Its the ones you don't like an "IDE" you know what VS gives you.
5:27 "integrated" aka builtin
I still use Frontpage…
I used Visual Studio first with Unity Engine and then at my job I used Visual Studio. I was so surprised to learn that even the keyboard shortcuts were different between the two. It made no sense to me why MS would do that. Of course you can change the keyboard mappings, but still.
I’ll just stick to neovim and the dotnet CLI….
Will it run on linux
I would compared visual studio and vscode as 'coffee' and 'redbull'
How about rider and reshaper
That Adam/Atom joke was so good 😂
Does this mean Visual Studio 2022 (or a future release) will be available for Mac? Or has Microsoft just admitted defeat for that demographic to Rider?
I assume 2nd option
They want you to use VS code
@@DizmusT so replace an IDE with a text editor (with some nice plugins)? Can’t see that going down well.
Don’t get me wrong, I use VS code a lot, but as soon as I’m working on something substantial I’ll be wanting an IDE. Personally I swapped Visual Studio for Mac with Rider quite a long time ago but I can’t see many devs picking VS Code over Rider if you needed an IDE before.
Apparently you weren't paying attention. It is now legal to run Windows 11 ARM in Parallels on a Mac, and there is also an ARM version of Visual Studio as Alex stated. So Visual Studio 2022 is already available on a Mac, but you have to use Parallels and Windows 11 for ARM. Or you could use an older x86-64 Mac and run Windows 10 or 11 in Parallels or Windows 10 or 11 in free VMWare Fusion Player.
@@mattbosley3531 no. That’s was clear to me. However I use Visual Studio on a Mac I.e. under MacOS. I would like to continue to do so (or I would do if I had t switched to Rider). I’m not the only one either.
I don’t want to run Windows to write .Net Core code in MacOS. I want to run an IDE in MacOS.
2:19 I live and grew up in Texas, everyone here knows when I say I want a coke what I am asking for is a Big Red. Except when I am wanting a Dr Pepper, then I ask for a coke and everyone knows I'm wanting a Dr Pepper. The only problem comes when I'm wanting a Mr Pibb and ask for a coke, partly because Mr Pibb was switched to Pibb Xtra in 2001 and partly because I live in a city where Coca-Cola is bottled so, despite all being owned by the same company, they don't sell Pibb in cities where a bottling plant is or where Dr Pepper is sold. You can't get there from here. In any case, in that case, saying coke but wanting a Pibb, I usually get served some off-brand Root Beer. There are limits to our dialect. And just so you know, I never want a Coca-Cola when I ask for a coke, who does? coKe !Coca-Cola.
Honestly, visual studio have better gui builder than other. I just missed it, we can drag and drop, resize, move visually without looking at styles code.
This reminds me of when I was about to graduate with an actuarial science degree, and some people advised me to learn Visual Basic. So I got a library book on the topic and was learning along - I knew BASIC from using it on an apple //e as a kid, but had never used it in a context where I could operate a GUI (all of my programming experience had been strictly via text interfaces). I couldn't work out what it had to do with Actuarial Science, though. After I got rather far along, I finally worked out that I was supposed to be learning Visual Basic as a scripting language for Excel, which was completely different from what I had been teaching myself.
You are right, the 'Visual' name is a problem for new developers, Microsoft sould simplify everything, changing the name of the product to Microsoft Visual Studio Studio 2022, see when we add Studio to the name comes in our my that is a complete product with all tools that we need like a Studio.
Microsoft Visual Studio Code - Separed tool box
Microsoft Visual Studio Studio - Full tool box
I'm C# developer and I moved to VScode and linux.
VScode does have the built-in feature of being the veganism of developer tools.
byom (bring your own meat)
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MS has always struggled with naming and keeping it confusing.
Microsoft deleting the competitions like it is still the '90s
I use VScode with Fortran (gasp).
Used VS for Mac to build dozens of commercial apps... works fine... less heavy and distracting. Yes of course it never had all the bells and whistles of VS Pro which was actually +
Now waiting for visual studio for Linux
I tried running VS 2022 on mac with parallels. problem is you can't run docker desktop because virtualization is not supported (no WSL). virtual windows on mac cannot support virtual Linux in virtualization. this was a deal breaker for me. was a nice little experiment tho.
Finally someone who gets VS community. Im mainly a cpp/cs dev and I love normal visual studio. It's powerful and easy to use. It's a bit slow to launch but after that it's great. I don't much like VS code. It's slow, lacks features and I really don't like downloading third-party add-ons from random developers I don't know anything about.
Not once was neovim mentioned. Not once.
Maybe if the video was named "top worst Side's"
i just want to ask why on earth xCode is 14GB, like thats 10% of my storage on my mac
JetBrains IDEs are still cross-platform. Windows, Mac, and Linux. ❤
visual studio code is to visual studio, what JavaScript is to java.
I use Windows, Linux and Mac OS too. There are more of us out here. I have to, because my product has to run on those OSs and also on Android and IOS.
VSCode and light don't really go togather
Still happy with Emacs...
I was using VS for Mac to do Xamarin Forms development. That was until I abandoned Xamarin for SwiftUI.
☑ Check your camera, I think it has 420 code running causing it to got nuts.
look sometimes i need linux, mac and windows all in the same hour
M$ should call their development stack ZUNE.
Just get an Jetbrains IDE... Less painful and works everywhere
2:37 lol for twitter 😂😂😂
The best feature listing ever.
Still waiting for visual studio in Linux
2:23 every filipino do that
I'm still an early-stage developer and appreciate the step-by-step mechanics of vs_code. That way I can explore each tool on its own and get familiar with its functions instead of navigating through an "overloaded" IDE. But I guess one day that will change and I will use the "ultimate toolset in the big old plastic suitcase".
Same here
Visual studio isn't the ultimate toolset in my view, I actually started there for its integrated convenience, and then as i gained more experience, I realized that it's powerful if you're focused on windows/C# development. I had to switch to VS Code for hardware development, and since then I have come to appreciate Vs Code's strength, which is flexibility and speed.
same bro
i like the fact that vs code opens in less than an hour and doesn't freeze for a full second every time i press a key
@@juniorjunior8494 vs code is good for cross platform.
Hmm, but how will compiling Maui apps for iOS work?
I think studio for Mac was an attempt to get mac developers to use c# on macOS after its porting.
3:10 "if you really like pain ... like vim users" So true :D
Visual studio will remain for years to come. It is very powerful.
so what code editor we gonna use as I have m1 macbook
Jetbrains Rider
The answer is a lot of this is ... Rider ...
Really helpful for any level of coding experience. Very nice .
very pertinent video howerver there one comment i insist on making, visual studio code does not work flawlessly. it might be bug free out of the box but once the add-ons that are needed to make it useful (in my case the only reason to use it is embedded devices development). the main issue with vscode is that it is made in javascript. this is not an appropriate language for projects whose complexity is hard to tackle and it is definitely not a good choice for apps where parallelism is needed especially if interface responsiveness is a must have. a single error in any optional sub task and the whole thing freezes. while portability is nice in theory it is ridiculous for an operating system owner to make portabibily their main focus especially when interface responsiveness and speed are the main features that make visual studio stand out.
My question now will be how do we do Xamarin development on a Mac?
"Which VS? The purple one or the blue one?"
Alex, I've always been confused; What's the difference between Visual Studio vs VS Code?
Please answer ASAP, sir 🙏🏼
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nice video and information, but who killed at the end?
Using vs code for js, php, text-general. But for java I like Inteliji idea
Personally, I prefer VSCodium 😂.
Funny bit, I reach out this video because I trying to get a grasp of VS2022, you see, I'm frontend developer at work, and learn unity by weekend, so I much more familiar with VSCode. Today I was setting the git repo for a tutorial project, and I simply could not find myself inside VS2022, open VSCode just to set the git, make initial pushes, but then, intelliSence could not map correctly my functions in VSCode, while on VS2022 was perfect fine... "oh f*ck, lemme find some crash course on this right now!", and here we are.
Well... I have been using Rider for years and I've never looked back at VS 😅
For me vsc is the go to ide
Jet Brains Rider is whispering "May I come in please?"
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VS Code is fine, it's a basic code editor which can be endlessly configured and extended. It has an extension store, and you'll find pretty much anything in there. My biggest gripe with it, is consistency. I much prefer to use an IDE that's purpose-built for something, and excels at that. As such, I mostly use Intellij Ultimate, for both Java and Typescript/angular. Some of my colleagues have ditched VS Code for Intellij. Of course, Intellij is much heavier on the CPU and memory, but it's a big boy tool, and does everything better. Except when it slows down to a crawl 😂.
I never met a single person who confused Visual Studio with VS Code
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Someone should show this poor guy Jetbrains Rider 😂😂
5:08 its been a while since i've been here, i was here when you reviewed the M1 max, which I purchased the "16 in 32GB, 2TB", yummyness and im still using it. Now i can see that you're about to explode...hahahaha
By the way, I use JetBrains.
HEAT!
I use vim.
VS studio > Vs code
But sometimes a specific function doesn't exists or an infuriating choice was made for Visual Studio. But the culture of vscode around extension makes that you will most likely find an extension fixing your problem, while it's not often the case with Visual Studio.
It's like if the big crate of tools include a broken one or is missing a specific screwdriver for an exotic end bit, you can have it if you build your own toolset
I once had a "friend" that tried to tell me that one of the jetbrains IDEs for lua was better than vscode. So I'm like, ok find me a feature that you have that vscode (with proper extensions) doesn't. Not only did he not find anything meaningful, but at the end he told me about the many half broken features that his IDE had and I just showed him one by one every single one of them working perfectly in vscode.
I saw the thumbnail and thought VS Code
So VS Code for Mac is fine, right? Right?! (I just started learning, I don't want to change the platform)
4:31 can you get all of those features via VS code extensions?
JetBrains on top
I hate vscode I only use when I don’t havé access to visual studio.
My problem with Visual Studio is speed. It takes a long time to start, long to build, and seems to stagger along for most of the projects I've worked with. VSC is much faster, and I only install the extensions I actually need. I've managed to learn a keyboard shortcut for pretty much everything, and its difficult to move away from that.
My main use cases for VS are windows forms (yes, it still exists) and MAUI Blazor Hybrids.
I'm actually developing a new application with WinForms, granted it's guaranteed to run on specialized PCa for the next 10 years, but still it's amazing how it's still around.
Most IDEs have that problem. Android Studio and XCode are slow as hell, too, and they gobble up computer resources like there's no tomorrow.
VC Code, being a lightweight *_text editor_* should, of course, be faster than any full-fledged IDE.
@@justadude8716Also still developing new business applications in WinForms - while WPF, WinUI, MAUI came and went, WinForms will never die out. And for someone putting down 500 grand for an application that’s a relevant factor. And accountants don’t care about the looks, only about efficiency
this is why I still use VS2019 for c#. all that AI stuff I didn't ask for in VS2022 is just making the editor lag behind my keystrokes. for javascript, I use VSCode. it's not as lightweight as notepad++, but the ~20x ram usage is worth it.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING
What are they replacing it with? I've just started using VS4Mac for MAUI app development. I don't particularly want to use VS in a VM or remote into my windows PC. I can't stand JS based app development. A bit stuck now.
If MAUI is as great as what MS claimed to be on cross platforms development, then their Visual Studio 2022/23 should build completely in MAUI. So VS for Mac can still live on
Microsoft doesn't have the resources to rewrite anything from scratch, not even redo paint right with layers and transparency
What about VS Codium?
Vs code is a text editor, ok for python and react etc but c#, your best on full fat VS.
Visual Studio = IDE , Visual Studio Code = Text Editor