Zed “kills” VSCode

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  • čas přidán 27. 02. 2024
  • Zed is touted as the new VSCode killer. I had to check it out for myself.
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  • @AZisk
    @AZisk  Před měsícem +5

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  • @rmdashrfv
    @rmdashrfv Před 2 měsíci +2500

    I got laid off last week because I was coding too slow. Had I been using Zed, I could have closed more tickets 10-15ms faster. Dammit

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +146

      😆

    • @amjedbelgacem8218
      @amjedbelgacem8218 Před 2 měsíci +54

      top notch humour hahahhahaha

    • @DK-ox7ze
      @DK-ox7ze Před 2 měsíci +57

      10ms per frame * millions of frames = hundreds of thousands of dollars lost in productivity 😅

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +39

      @@amjedbelgacem8218Humor is appreciated here

    • @saitaro
      @saitaro Před 2 měsíci +6

      ​@@AZisk Typical German.

  • @damienbutt6320
    @damienbutt6320 Před 2 měsíci +1190

    It has a lot of potential. But it’s no way near feature complete enough to be considered a vscode killer. Yet.

    • @Patrickdaawsome
      @Patrickdaawsome Před 2 měsíci +12

      No way near feature complete is not true. It has like 90% of features needed.

    • @Ezkeef
      @Ezkeef Před 2 měsíci

      hey, does it have extension support and such? I use windows so I haven't used it yet@@Patrickdaawsome

    • @ludo534
      @ludo534 Před 2 měsíci +100

      if there is no plugins then it is far from being usable

    • @BlackAsLight448
      @BlackAsLight448 Před 2 měsíci +29

      @@Patrickdaawsome no. It's still missing many small details that it would need to consider killing vscode

    • @handsanitizer2457
      @handsanitizer2457 Před 2 měsíci +36

      Wait until it gets plugins, and the speed may reduce as bloat is added

  • @codedusting
    @codedusting Před 2 měsíci +1107

    Lmao. That 97ms to 58ms marketing is just marketing 101.

    • @alfiegordon9013
      @alfiegordon9013 Před 2 měsíci +72

      The thing that gets me is thats still a HUGE delay. Assuming your screen is 60Hz thats nearly FOUR WHOLE FRAMES between keypress and it being rendered on screen. I dread to think how slow it looks on a 144hz monitor

    • @TomasRamoska
      @TomasRamoska Před 2 měsíci +85

      @@squishy-tomato They will have more time to enjoy slow MacOS UI animations 😅

    • @Dygear
      @Dygear Před 2 měsíci +6

      This is a far more interesting metric on a Raspberry Pi that is more resource limited. With VSCode living in that world, having Zed (Or COSMIC-Edit) running faster than the incumbent editor would make a palpable difference in programming experience on these small devices.

    • @TuxBoli
      @TuxBoli Před 2 měsíci +8

      Try zed vs vscode on a 4 year old Intel Mac and you will see this huge difference.

    • @__a8as
      @__a8as Před 2 měsíci +8

      zed is written is rust 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

  • @fuzzy-02
    @fuzzy-02 Před 2 měsíci +568

    No windows support yet.
    Like it or hate it, it still is the big fish in the pond.
    Zed should get to level 6 first to get their ult and then try killing vscode

    • @TheOllom1
      @TheOllom1 Před 2 měsíci +24

      +rep for the analogy

    • @FlameSoulis
      @FlameSoulis Před 2 měsíci +100

      And no build for Linux? You know... the thing most people are connecting to and working on?
      So, just Mac users.... who are... not always doing dev work...
      Um... okay, Zed! You just pretend to be the cool kid.

    • @__a8as
      @__a8as Před 2 měsíci +12

      i trust microsoft more than some small team from zed, the benchmarks are fake, when you install extensions it even worse than vscode, vscode is nice, its smooth, and windows design is good, also widely used and recognized editor, what the he is even zed?😂 theay hopefully fixed scroll whcih was buggy, but they didn't fixed other issues , i checked the source code they use strange variable names and also dont follow guidelines from mister bob clean code architecture that's why their codesucks j! and willsuck ! they will never replace google code editor and vscode !❤

    • @williamou3005
      @williamou3005 Před 2 měsíci +4

      I mean they could poke them down slowly by spamming Q (getting more extensions)... Zed is an artillery mage after all.

    • @armentorosyan8268
      @armentorosyan8268 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Didn't expect a dota 2 reference here

  • @ghfsd786fa
    @ghfsd786fa Před 2 měsíci +270

    The bad thing about Zed (for now) is that VSCode has a ton of extensions; yes Zed automatically integrates using LSP but that's pretty much it. But it's VERY promising.

    • @VivekYadav-ds8oz
      @VivekYadav-ds8oz Před 2 měsíci +11

      What makes it promising? It's for Mac, and as far as I can see, VSCode just runs like butter on Mac and prolly doesn't hog a big %age of RAM too.

    • @user-nu1lb2qu2x
      @user-nu1lb2qu2x Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@VivekYadav-ds8oz Drains a lot of my battery tho, I still need to try Zed and see if there is some improvements

    • @FlanPoirot
      @FlanPoirot Před 2 měsíci +9

      ​@@VivekYadav-ds8ozdoesn't what? VSCode bundles a whole browser, an OS compatibility layer (electron) and a language runtime just to run a text editor. that's as wasteful as it can be

    • @MindBlowerWTF
      @MindBlowerWTF Před 2 měsíci +1

      All of my extensions in VS Code that I use at work are to provide functionality that LSP and treesitter provide. Im fine with it just having LSP now.

    • @VivekYadav-ds8oz
      @VivekYadav-ds8oz Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@FlanPoirot That's more of a thing which I hate on principle. However, realistically, it doesn't take that much storage for something that's such a key component of your development cycle.

  • @shock9616
    @shock9616 Před 2 měsíci +15

    I'm in a similar position: I'm not using Zed as my main editor for now, but I am keeping it installed and periodically checking things out as it gets updated. It has a lot of promise for me and I'm really looking forward to seeing where it goes in the future

  • @Sestaak
    @Sestaak Před 2 měsíci +78

    Performance matters a lot more when low on resources. I've driven a baseline MacBook Air to its limits and beyond for years, most of the time VSC had little to no noticeable delays but whenever running out of memory or having the CPU catch up, it was BAD. Particularly the vim mode plugin (ergonomics, yo) would swallow inputs and become generally unreliable. That aside, VSC also uses much more memory than it needs to, as any Electron based app does. 300-600mb may be nothing for my current computer, but when you're running 8GB with your base system already using 2 of those, you've got some containers (another 1-2GB), browser tabs and other dev tools open, you'll appreciate every bit of extra memory you can save.

    • @mumble3535
      @mumble3535 Před 2 měsíci +2

      When working on large monorepos my extensions alone would consistently use 4GB of ram. Thankfully that doesn't really affect my workstation, but it's still not okay.

    • @himanshutripathi7441
      @himanshutripathi7441 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I have 8 gb linux laptop
      I feel firefox eats too much ram even web uses too much ram in general
      8gb feels 2Gb these days

    • @markmywords3817
      @markmywords3817 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Which is why I just use vs code sparingly when pairing with another person or computer, but personally I use vim and neovim.
      Also when I need to go to a cafe and want the peace of mind of being able to do quick coding sessions, I could also replace the laptop for a tablet and use vim / code-server via ssh.

    • @jj-big-slay-yo
      @jj-big-slay-yo Před 2 měsíci +3

      Yup, having a browser as the display surface for all electron apps (chromium) and running everything in it essentially adds a non-significant amount of tax to any app. For vs code its's fine (it does a lot of things well), but you can also take a look at intellij based apps (while more advanced) having a java swing based app is also quite heavy.
      One thing I will never understand is the people who create / use something like hyper (the electron based terminal....) that is just insanity, even if your computer makes no sweat about it.

    • @justADeni
      @justADeni Před 2 měsíci +2

      Exactly. Everyone who says that bloated Electron apps are as fast as something native like Zed are just spoiled with high-end pc's

  • @SQLinForm
    @SQLinForm Před měsícem +3

    Thanks for your great videos. I even sometimes watch them twice because there is soooo much useful information in your videos. Greetings from Belgium & Germany

  • @jorge1869
    @jorge1869 Před 2 měsíci +133

    Taking the crown from VScode is very difficult, there is a lot of work behind it, it takes years to offer the developed benefits that it offers.

    • @loldoctor
      @loldoctor Před 2 měsíci +1

      The developers of Zed contributed a lot of that work, particularly with respect to Electron.

    • @perghosh8135
      @perghosh8135 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Have you used VS or working with larger projects then Sublime Text is a lot faster
      VSCode is slow if projects are big

    • @Slukke
      @Slukke Před 2 měsíci

      ?? visual studio code was never crowned to begin with. it's a garbage slow electron app that barely does anything you need it to do

    • @mishathassan6988
      @mishathassan6988 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@perghosh8135I mean when I work on a large codebase, I move to neovim. Vscode cant handle large projects and I don’t think thats a negative, because vscode could not add all the features it has plus be super easy to use with no learning curve if they also wanted to make it handle large projects better.
      Personally, I work on large projects maybe twice a year or even less than that, so vscode fits my requirements. And I think most developers and engineers fall in the same category.
      Plus I don’t think your point makes sense because no one who works on a large codebase uses vscode. Vscode never said that its large codebase friendly. Everyone knows its electron and can’t handle large projects.

    • @kirillvoloshin2065
      @kirillvoloshin2065 Před 2 měsíci

      if they fix about 5 things, I would never go back to vscode

  • @ric8ard
    @ric8ard Před 2 měsíci +8

    Zed's response times wil be fantastic for use in films where everyone 'programming a computer' seems like they're on speed.

  • @ecommercewithjay8857
    @ecommercewithjay8857 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Definitely will be checking out Zed. Thanks!

  • @RedBearAK
    @RedBearAK Před 2 měsíci +7

    There’s an extension for VSCode to enable zooming font size in the editor separately from the rest of the UI. I think it’s called “Responsive Font Weights”.

  • @TomasRamoska
    @TomasRamoska Před 2 měsíci +33

    VSCode works on Windows, Mac, Linux, and Web browsers.
    With so many extensions like WSL, SSH, Docker, etc.
    With SSH extension I can view pictures and videos over SSH on my server and browse files like I'm working with Files Explorer or Finder on the local machine.
    Zed is not a VSCode killer 😂 I don't think they going to kill anyone anytime soon.

  • @Bankoru
    @Bankoru Před 2 měsíci +45

    I dunno if I'm the only one that doesn't care about an extra 50ms or whatever input delay, but just having good features, like what you get with Jetbrains

    • @DanielHarrisCodes
      @DanielHarrisCodes Před 2 měsíci

      I held off trying Rider for .NET dev and regret waiting so long. It’s superb on Mac IMO. Not as much of a fan of it on Windows but I have Visual Studio on there.
      JetBrains Rider has tons of .NET focused tools that VS4Mac didn’t have.
      I know this is an IDE but JetBrains also have a beta of an application that can switch between text editor (like VS Code) and Full IDE as required. Which I think is an interesting idea

    • @MindBlowerWTF
      @MindBlowerWTF Před 2 měsíci

      yeah, if we are talking slow vs slow editors, then at least JetBrains stuff provide great experience.

    • @Kerojey
      @Kerojey Před měsícem

      VS code opens for me like in 10 seconds with all extensions, and OS loads in like 12 seconds

  • @AndreasToth
    @AndreasToth Před 2 měsíci +1

    The response time differences may have a lot to do with the simplified extensions that Zed supports compared to the more complex extension interface of VS Code.

  • @KalosLikesComputers
    @KalosLikesComputers Před 2 měsíci +18

    I think the problem here is that nobody is complaining that VSCode is slow - we use it for its convenience and its extensions. if you want a fast no-frills code editor like this, you're gonna use nano or neovim or Sublime, etc. Nobody asked for "VSCode but stripped down to the essentials and also slightly faster," so while Zed is getting a lot of coverage and that is good for competition, there is absolutely no reason to use it over VSCode.

    • @DynamicalisBlue
      @DynamicalisBlue Před měsícem +7

      I am complaining about VS Code’s speed.
      It used to be fast when it came out but it has slowed down overtime.
      Sometimes it takes me seconds to open a file, which is annoying considering I use VS Code as a quick editor and not my main IDE.
      (I use Jetbrain’s tools for my main IDEs)

    • @openshores4288
      @openshores4288 Před 28 dny +1

      ​@@DynamicalisBlueyeah. Whats the point of ide if it freezes when opening/editing projects(based on my experience). As for me, neovim is the one, it also fixed my wrist.

  • @ThoughtfullySo
    @ThoughtfullySo Před 2 měsíci +5

    I realize how valuable extensions are for VS Code. They're the only ones keeping me from moving to Zed.

  • @jon1867
    @jon1867 Před 2 měsíci +41

    My opinion on zed is..... ( waits 2 years )

  • @Kylbigel
    @Kylbigel Před 2 měsíci +2

    In every way possible, the $20/month for GHCP is superior in efficiency and cost-effectiveness to using the chat API endpoint. Also, that pop out to new floating window is a new feature and took VSC a long time, but it’s still limited since you can’t pop out a Jupyter NB.

  • @matthieuhenocque7824
    @matthieuhenocque7824 Před 2 měsíci

    I just installed it on my personal Mac and I have to admit I absolutely love the clean and smooth interface. Thank you Alex!
    I might try it on my company's Mac too, I'm curious to see how it will manage our huge codebase.

    • @loldoctor
      @loldoctor Před 2 měsíci

      I'm curious as well. I don't think I've seen anyone comparing the two editors outside of just basic files or small projects.

    • @anonyaro9789
      @anonyaro9789 Před 2 měsíci

      good luck with instant crashes lmfao

  • @sivuyilemagutywa5286
    @sivuyilemagutywa5286 Před 2 měsíci +154

    What code editor did they use to create Zed?

  • @dudaoutloud
    @dudaoutloud Před 2 měsíci +5

    VSCode does slow down with large projecțs (like multi-project mono repos). I switched over to JetBrains WebStorm and the usability with these large projects was terrific! Yes, you have to pay to use WebStorm, but it’s worth it for my projects (plus JetBrains’ AI Assistant is just as good if not better than copilot).

    • @aidansgarlato9347
      @aidansgarlato9347 Před 2 měsíci

      Yea I’ve worked on projects where if I have like more then 3 tabs open with tens of thousands of lines I can get an input lag of more then 500ms and witch really sucks

  • @ewerybody
    @ewerybody Před 2 měsíci

    4:55 the window tear off is pretty new to VS code! Although the issue was sitting in their tracker for almost forever it was always down to some Electron limitations. I guess that was fixed now and so it could be passed to VS code.

  • @ekkkkkknoes
    @ekkkkkknoes Před 2 měsíci +12

    It's nowhere near a vscode killer, being MacOS exclusive still.

  • @peterwan7945
    @peterwan7945 Před 2 měsíci +3

    8:10 how did you call up that FPS monitor on that MacBook Pro ??😮😉😉

  • @jaroslavhuss7813
    @jaroslavhuss7813 Před 2 měsíci +24

    Alex - why are you not wearing Apple vision pro? Scared of seing Zed being 10ms faster on your own eyes? :D

  • @xcrap
    @xcrap Před 7 dny

    I'm using Zed for 2/3 months now and it became my main editor as VSCode is the backup because of the extensions. Zed still has a long way to go but it's quiet impressive what they have done so far and I'm loving it.

  • @JeffBarczewski
    @JeffBarczewski Před 2 měsíci

    I've switched from vscode to helix for my daily editing. It is amazingly fast and has most of the features I normally use already baked in. Loving it thus far. There's even an extension dance for vscode that stress up a similar keymap to helix so I can use the same key commands if I have to use vacode. It's not perfect but very helpful. All that being said I haven't needed to switch from helix in a while.

  • @Japanology
    @Japanology Před 2 měsíci +18

    How did you do the voice dubbing that perfectly sounds like Bruce Willis? Which tool?

    • @Ati27
      @Ati27 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Could be Eleven AI

    • @milahu
      @milahu Před 2 měsíci

      just a good microphone to capture the bass

  • @PerfectArmonic
    @PerfectArmonic Před 2 měsíci +33

    Is not how fast is vs code, but is how many resources consumes when is running. Sometimes it crushes the entire system… at least on my Mac.

    • @not_ever
      @not_ever Před 2 měsíci +7

      It's not just on the Mac. Electron based browsers are also resource hungry.

    • @MarkStatkus
      @MarkStatkus Před 2 měsíci +1

      I also find many corp environments they got us installing Symantec or some other file scan tank responding to git and VSCode. My Intel max sits at 100C most of the day. Any attempts at asking for an exclusion list are lost.

    • @dailytipsFR
      @dailytipsFR Před 2 měsíci +1

      Try to run webstorm 😅

    • @aff1743
      @aff1743 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Zed is way faster than VSCode w/ minimal extensions here for my mid-sized projects.

  • @oldominion8669
    @oldominion8669 Před 4 dny

    I have switched to Zed only this whole week at work and I really love it. Think I will stay on it in the future.

  • @Evteboda
    @Evteboda Před 2 měsíci

    tryed Zed for a while. looks ok for some simple tasks considering perfomance, thx for suggesting new software

  • @brandonbraner
    @brandonbraner Před 2 měsíci +4

    I’m sorry but if the speed of opening files is what’s killing your productivity then congrats. Maybe remove some plugin bloat?

    • @usr3801
      @usr3801 Před měsícem

      Even without any extensions VSCode is starting slower than zed simply because VSCode is built on Electron

  • @DeanRie
    @DeanRie Před 2 měsíci +13

    But what if we compare zed with sublime text? 😊

  • @EmbeddedSorcery
    @EmbeddedSorcery Před 10 dny

    Extensions are what are holding VSCode, like a network effect. Lapce is also pretty fast compared to VSCode, but I don't see how it can take over with so many missing niceties.

  • @milutzuk
    @milutzuk Před 2 měsíci

    They improved upon the Notepad code base and called it Zed. As you can see both include e and end with d.

  • @QuintonDolan
    @QuintonDolan Před 2 měsíci +5

    I’m still going to use IntelliJ IDEA to do my actual work because it does so much for me, and can handle working on massive projects well. The only time I run VSCode is when I need a dumb text editor, as long as it has a cli tool to open a file it does what I need.

  • @modolief
    @modolief Před 2 měsíci

    Excellent work, thanks!

  • @dampfwatze
    @dampfwatze Před 2 měsíci +2

    I doubt that it will get comparable extensiblity as VS Code. But without it, I don't think it will be easy to switch.
    If they instead build everything they can into the base editor, it will become a full blown IDE like Visual Studio, which is not at all lightweight...

  • @nurronyitc
    @nurronyitc Před 2 měsíci +5

    Do you have all extensions disabled? I recently switched to NeoVim because VSCode becomes too slow and memory hogging for large project. Frequently got VM OutOfMemory issue. Moreover the extension can eat up loads of space as well

  • @fenilli
    @fenilli Před 2 měsíci +55

    No support for linux nor windows, no dark mode in their website .... long ways to be even close to vscode killer.

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci +10

      your first point is valid. Your second point I have questions.

    • @fenilli
      @fenilli Před 2 měsíci +13

      its mostly about their target audience is wrong, they are not supporting developers as a whole but a niche group, most developers like dark mode on everything, so if your product is for developers so should you target that audience, same goes for the windows 90% usage vs mac...@@AZisk

    • @fenilli
      @fenilli Před 2 měsíci +3

      so to iterate a tldr, I doubt their product because they don't know what their target audience is, so features that most likely would be good will tend to not be priority.@@AZisk

    • @FirephoenixX02
      @FirephoenixX02 Před 2 měsíci

      Both Windows and Linux support is in the works tho

    • @fenilli
      @fenilli Před 2 měsíci

      in the works, is not priority, basically saying " we prefer to work in a 5% usage base instead of the biggest one "@@FirephoenixX02

  • @pabss3193
    @pabss3193 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Try doing multiline and editing 4000 lines at once, I use sublime for this at times when writing queries for locations and stuff, sublime can be really really slow, how's Zed?

  • @mrrolandlawrence
    @mrrolandlawrence Před 2 měsíci

    zed is awesome. im not ready to change over. but for sure looks like an exciting project.

  • @esparda07
    @esparda07 Před 2 měsíci +3

    When something becomes a "killer" of something, it's usually all hype.

  • @wanarchives
    @wanarchives Před 2 měsíci +11

    Yeah, killer only for mac user

    • @Strawmelonjuice
      @Strawmelonjuice Před 5 dny

      I mean you could try to build it for other OS's, but for now you might run into trouble

  • @vslow4795
    @vslow4795 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Will definitely give Zed a good try. I like the idea of modern performance-focused editor. As I am not a full-time programmer, it is hard to keep my vim/neovim configuration stable. In contrast Zed seems to be almost feature-complete without any plugins.

    • @MindBlowerWTF
      @MindBlowerWTF Před 2 měsíci

      try helix then

    • @vslow4795
      @vslow4795 Před 2 měsíci

      @@MindBlowerWTF Does it have support for CoPilot?

  • @hyperplano
    @hyperplano Před 2 měsíci

    I have an intel macbook pro (2018) and I am definitely seeing VSCode slowing down a bit more on every new release. The difference with Zed, on my laptop, is immediately evident. But after trying Zed for a bit, I think for me it's still a bit early...still some rough edges and a couple of missing features I really need. Definitely considering for the future though.

  • @AlexanderBorshak
    @AlexanderBorshak Před 2 měsíci +17

    Zed is good, but UI/UX in VS Code is much more convenient. And VS Code is fast enough.

  • @yannick-was-taken
    @yannick-was-taken Před 2 měsíci +17

    "stability" lol
    saw this thing crashing a suspicious amount of times :P

    • @kirillvoloshin2065
      @kirillvoloshin2065 Před 2 měsíci

      using it for a week, crashed maybe 1 time (M1 Macbook Pro)

    • @filiprandom
      @filiprandom Před 2 měsíci +1

      To me it seemed to mostly crash with the coop coding which makes sense as it's in such early development

    • @esco5319
      @esco5319 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Zed is not 1.0 (stable) yet, it's in BETA.

  • @Ikxi
    @Ikxi Před 2 měsíci

    If you wanna quickly edit a file, focus editor is really nice too
    Currently it's basically just a text editor with some code highlighting features
    But the text editing part works really well and a lot of short cuts that help you just around and make changes

  • @IAmzColbz
    @IAmzColbz Před 2 měsíci

    Only mac support so far, i built their linux version from source just to see how far along the support was and it froze up halfway through looking through my first project. Maybe down the road it will be great, but right now its just a mac exclusive half bake.

  • @misternegative2759
    @misternegative2759 Před 2 měsíci +6

    my sudo nano opens faster than zed

  • @adonespitogonaif
    @adonespitogonaif Před 2 měsíci +4

    As a vim user, vscode is noticably slow.

  • @JosepCrespoSantacreu
    @JosepCrespoSantacreu Před 20 dny

    Hi Alex! Your videos are a must for any developer, I really enjoy your attention to detail and really professional tests, oriented to the developer ecosystem.

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 20 dny

      Glad you like them!

  • @sploders1019
    @sploders1019 Před měsícem

    I’m excited to see a new player in the space. I’ve been happily using Helix for a while now (I think Kakoune’s way of doing things makes a lot more sense than vim), but I originally switched from VSCode because I got tired of all the popups, notifications, and random obtrusive features getting added without warning, forcing me to read for hours through release notes and settings descriptions trying to figure out how to turn it off. I want my editor, and I don’t want it to change unless I ask it to. Hopefully Zed turns out this way

  • @ChrisHaupt
    @ChrisHaupt Před 2 měsíci

    I've been using it for over a week. Missing some things that make me sad like "emmet wrap with abbreviation" but I'm hoping if I stick with it, it will evolve to become the best editor

  • @saitaro
    @saitaro Před 2 měsíci

    Alex went full fuzz testing bloodbath, the poor editor wan't ready for such intensity.

  • @kybarg
    @kybarg Před 19 dny

    There is also Lapce wich as popular as Zed, also written in rust and cross-platform

  • @michabbb
    @michabbb Před 2 měsíci

    Great you didn't post a link, it's so more fun searching for it 👍

  • @ByronWatts
    @ByronWatts Před 2 měsíci

    Learned a few things. Thanks.

  • @cristophermoreno2290
    @cristophermoreno2290 Před 2 měsíci

    I've been using Zed for 1 week now. No regrets moving to zed. (the only missing feature is the capacity to work over ssh on a remote server)

  • @LukeBarousse
    @LukeBarousse Před 2 měsíci +2

    Glad to see that Scharzenager got broken out for the true test 👍

  • @Miluum
    @Miluum Před 4 dny

    By the way, it is now "available" for Windows and Linux too; but you have to build it yourself. It's essentially just running 3 commands in the terminal. Note that it is really unstable, crashes often, Copilot won't work and lot's of stuff is just not working yet.

  • @thripnixe
    @thripnixe Před měsícem

    One thing I realised is if you want to create a Monopoly, building extension ecosystem is big part of that. Scenarios like this shows it very well. Developers put years of effort into building these awesome extensions and now its harder to competition to break in. Thats why even Google's new cloud ide, project idx is based on code - oss and they can use well established vs code extensions.

  • @tinolm6202
    @tinolm6202 Před 2 měsíci

    I'm on linux, I am not a professional programmer, more like a medium student, I completely agree on speed and stuff, I'd love to try
    zed, but I can't (MacOS only atm). Also I wonder if Zed will be non-minimalistic, if it can compete with all the capabilities, that vscode extensions can offer.

  • @alextrebek5237
    @alextrebek5237 Před 2 měsíci +2

    LSP server? Plugins/extensions? No telemetry? Seamless integration with current vscode extensions?

    • @malborboss
      @malborboss Před 2 měsíci +1

      I dont think that it will ever have integration with vs code extensions. Its not based on electron

  • @williamsquires3070
    @williamsquires3070 Před 2 měsíci

    Hi Alex. When you installed it, did you have any problems with VSCode already being present? Or Sublime Text?

    • @tubero911
      @tubero911 Před 2 měsíci

      I'm not sure what kind of problems you're thinking of (it's just another editor) but no, it didn't cause any problems for VSC or Sublime on Mac for me.

  • @Omaricon
    @Omaricon Před 2 měsíci

    I'm curious how much of a hit the battery takes from using GPUI. Although interesting, the benefits just don't seem to be worth it for me if it affects battery. I'd like to be able to be remote when I want/need to.

  • @ButerFiv
    @ButerFiv Před 2 měsíci

    I've been a huge fan and user of vscode, but what excites me about zed is the speed. You do notice slow the response of vscode is when you're doing a lot of vim commands and vim motions really quickly.

  • @DaveAlexKD
    @DaveAlexKD Před 2 měsíci

    I use an editor called Micro, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles but is really fast and I like it.

  • @capitalinventor4823

    With respect to the increased speed found with Zed loading files, starting approximately at 1:35, the testing did not take into account two important things. The first is the time to start or switch to the app. The second is that after the first test the file or directory is held in cache memory by the operating system. To properly test how fast each opens a directory or file a new directory or file must be selected for each test. For each pair of tests the two directories or files should be as close to the same size as possible.
    I was part of a team that was responsible for changing a process which ran once a night into one that could be started from a website. The process involved a large number of small programs that each performed a tiny bit of the process and used temporary files to communicate between the different stages. The process originated on a six bit mainframe and there had never been enough money or time to integrate them into them all. Programming wasn’t the issue. Verifying the outcomes stayed the same was the highest priority as the application was used during the process of business incorporation. Any differences and lawsuits could occur. The data was still stored using six bits and every small program read data, converted it from six bits, ran, converted the output to six bits, wrote the data to a file, and exited. A script was used to control the flow of the small programs and that had to be modified to prevent them from overwriting one another temporary data. Time and extreme caution limited our choices. Instead of making each of the small programs able to run instances at once it was easier and safer to lock each one to a single instance. When it came time to testing we ran a request through the nightly version and it took somewhere around 45 seconds. We then switched over to our project and ran it in a two or three seconds. We were all thrilled but it seemed way too much of an improvement for me as we could not implement the chances we identified as having the biggest performance improvements. I asked the person running the test to retry the old method again and it ran in three to four seconds. We eventually determined that the gigabytes of data the application uses was cached in during the first running. Because we were running on a server with lots of memory and set up to cache as much as possible we had to fill the cache with approximately 96GB of junk between tests if we wanted to compare times. This was 25 years ago on a Silicon Graphics server. Ever since then I’ve remembered to take caching in account.

  • @Ikxi
    @Ikxi Před 2 měsíci

    The response time is more noticable on higher refreshrate monitors
    60 fps is good enough, but damn 120-144 hz feels smooth

  • @arnabray8734
    @arnabray8734 Před 2 měsíci

    I was tried to open a 400mb xml file in inbuilt text editor of MacOS it failed, tried the same with vscode and it failed as well(basically crashed) but Zed was the only editor that could open it with no issues. Just WOW!!!

  • @tawsifhaque9360
    @tawsifhaque9360 Před 2 měsíci

    i've tried zed in my m1 air. it's a little buggy at times that gets frustrating, but it sure has plenty potential to give vs code a run for it's money.

  • @mullergyula4174
    @mullergyula4174 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Even programming in Commodore Basic the machine speed was not the limiting factor. It is nice to have snappy tools, but functionality is more important than speed. But is is great to have a choice. I just don't see how you get an army of plugins for a new editor.

  • @cloudy_thinker
    @cloudy_thinker Před 2 měsíci

    I have tried the Zed. And it looks awesome . But, it the same time it has some bugs and doesn’t support syntax highlights for Dockerfile for example.

  • @jaumesinglavalls5486
    @jaumesinglavalls5486 Před 2 měsíci

    this summer, my company laptop was slow, was thermal throtling, and I would loved to have zed available. Now I've got a M2, and yeah, now I don't see the difference, but I'm sure past summer It will help a lot, I started using helix because of the performance problems.

  • @imamhatipoglu4040
    @imamhatipoglu4040 Před 2 měsíci

    I tried it seems cool, i hope it will improve quickly

  • @everyhandletaken
    @everyhandletaken Před 2 měsíci

    Not sure about the zooming of whole window vs the editing component, but it would be nice on both if you could do this independent- like add a 'shift' key to the mix- so you zoom it all, or just your code.
    I'm just glad that VSC recently added the ability to have zoom per window, rather than zooming all open windows at the same time.
    I'm glad we have a competitor in Zed, but as a lot of people are saying, we need more extensions before it is a VSC killer.

  • @arnabbiswasalsodeep
    @arnabbiswasalsodeep Před 2 měsíci

    Since my work required some official extensions only supported in intellij java based editors or vscode, I opted for later. So unless it gets official support from the extensions, can't use it. Can't simulate SystemVerilog stuff cuz there's basically no open source solution to do UVM tests, only via either extensions or via specialised software

  • @AxisAngles
    @AxisAngles Před 2 měsíci

    This is interesting. I've yet to switch from sublime text to VSCode because of the slower speed (and worse multi cursor support). Maybe I will switch to this in the future. But for now, Sublime is still my number 1.

  • @jeffrey5602
    @jeffrey5602 Před 2 měsíci +2

    i feel sorry for anyone using vscode already anyways. The actual performance is not the reason why your a slow programmer if ur still using ur mouse. when you make use of a lot of shortcuts you will get dizzy from the slowness of vscode in no time

  • @joshuaisbrown
    @joshuaisbrown Před 2 měsíci +1

    Ofcourse the M2 MacBook renders a text editor really well. Where the big difference is for slower machines and memory constrained machines. Try this on an older Intel Mac

  • @edwardzdankiewicz9068
    @edwardzdankiewicz9068 Před 2 měsíci

    Does Zed let you print? I was surprised by VS Codes lack of a print menu item.

  • @mendosis
    @mendosis Před 2 měsíci

    at this point it's still another notepad++ but it's developing quickly. when i downloaded it a couple of weeks ago for the first time there was no extension section.
    however, still long way to go if they want to kill anyone.

  • @erenyeager655
    @erenyeager655 Před 2 měsíci

    apparently i'm leaning to zed now despite the lack of extensions. at first i thought it sucks then eventually i'm in love with it lmao

  • @karmatraining
    @karmatraining Před 2 měsíci

    I've tried Zed and if you run it on a 120Hz screen (e.g., directly on your MBP) it feels glorious. Once we have all the usual plugins that everybody uses, it's going to be a serious VSCode competitor. VSCode is great but it's hamstrung by electron, I like the bare-metal feeling that Zed gives.
    Also the AI autocompletion in Zed is god-tier, I use it to write documents and it's incredible! Definitely a must try if you can afford OpenAPI API keys.

  • @AnuragAmbuj
    @AnuragAmbuj Před 2 měsíci

    There are many subtle but small things missing with Zed, like configuration of font weight is not supported and it’s default value looks terrible on my cheap monitor.

  • @makesnosense6304
    @makesnosense6304 Před 2 měsíci

    So, how many times do you open your editor? Not running all the time because of sleep mode in the computer? Sure Zed is quicker but at no point have VSCode been a problem for being slow.

  • @jamesmoynihan948
    @jamesmoynihan948 Před měsícem

    Biggest benefit: battery consumption is much lower on Zed. Gotta love that Rust performance!
    But I agree with Alex. Zed's not quite there yet, but they're making quick progress. Gonna keep checking back to how they crack VSC's "moat": the extensions.

  • @HyperFocusGamedev-rv5ji
    @HyperFocusGamedev-rv5ji Před 11 dny +1

    That's some blast processing right there by Zed.

  • @fluffyfetlocks
    @fluffyfetlocks Před 2 měsíci

    I might use Zed in the same way I use notepad++. For quickly editing singular text files rather than as an IDE

  • @abdelalikabou9197
    @abdelalikabou9197 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I'm using zed since one week. it's super fast. but I hope from the zed team to improve some extension like resolve git conflict.... But is fast and clean

  • @badpotato
    @badpotato Před 2 měsíci +2

    are the cpus so slow... that we need gpu for text display?

  • @AndreasToth
    @AndreasToth Před 2 měsíci

    When opening files, mske sure to switch it up do you don't always open using VS Code first because the operating system may coache recent files.

  • @meetthespy3398
    @meetthespy3398 Před 15 dny

    I'd like to use zed now, but there's no linux support at the moment. So i prefer vscode / vscodium. Maybe in the near future i'll try it

  • @laherikeval2524
    @laherikeval2524 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Love to watch your video alex.

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  Před 2 měsíci

      thx!

    • @pookiepats
      @pookiepats Před 2 měsíci

      Agree! Except Zed ain’t sh*t lol an editor written in Rust with a plugin system that requires understanding Rust will NEVER serve the level of support required to put a dent in VS Code marketshare.
      What’s more is the fact that an editor hanging its hat on performance but only supports macOS is laughable - talk about a controlled environment.

  • @soutarm
    @soutarm Před 2 měsíci

    I tried Zed for a few days and kept finding myself back in VSCode. I can put up with a few missing features but no GitHub integration was a no-go for me. Ultimately I just changed my VSCode theme and uninstalled Zed.

  • @hakooplayplay3212
    @hakooplayplay3212 Před 2 měsíci

    Ok, thx for rewiew. Gonna wait for lunux version to touch it