Am I moving back to the UK or staying in Aus? Final decisions...
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Welcome to this episode of me making life decisions. In this episode I reveal my final decision on what I'm doing for over the next year. It's been quite the year and I can't wait to show you what lies ahead. Enjoy!
About me:
My name is Surina Taneja and I am a junior doctor who trained in the UK. I make videos about being a doctor as well as sharing my insights on the well-being of our mind, body and planet 🧠 💪🏽 🌍
Check out these other videos on my channel:
How much I earn as a junior doctor in Australia vs. the NHS: • How much I earn as a j...
JUNIOR DOCTOR VS CONSULTANT SURGEON PAY SLIPS in the NHS 💸 | How much money do NHS doctors make?: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPvCh...
Day in the life of a surgical resident (Australia): www.youtube.com/watch?v=yws5V...
Why I'm moving to Australia: • I'm leaving the NHS?!
Honest reflections of a junior doctor: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qluUm...
I'm leaving the NHS?!: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnjaY...
Night in the life of a junior doctor: www.youtube.com/watch?v=O11pK...
Social media:
📱 Instagram: / drsurinatan. .
🐦 Twitter: / drsurinataneja
🔗 Linkedin: / surina-ta. .
💌 Email: surinataneja@hotmail.co.uk
Now onto Part 2. How wonderful to hear your honesty. Again being acknowleged, even just through a conversation, never mind the outcome. Wonderful to hear, and looking forward to finishing the video.
Happy for you! I am an IMG from the Philippines and I aspire to work in Aus as a doctor in the near future. Your videos have provided me with so much insight that I can use once I finally make the leap.
I definitely benefited from hearing this advice! Finishing up my medical degree this year and conscious of the fact at the rigid, 'check-box' style pathways in medicine can be pretty rough/unfulfilling if rushed into. Loved the video and stoked for your next step!
Wow, thanks for sharing. This is so relatable to me right now. Currently a mature aged student in medical school right now feeling really burnt out and contemplating taking a year off too to recharge the batteries. Best of luck with it all!
not that you need it from a stranger on the internet - but i am proud of you. i think this is so brave and i am sure it will work out for you, good luck with everything!! i love how you sat with everything and reallly thought it through - and decided to go with what your heart wants. medicine is really a conveyor belt type thing and its hard to not always be frantically be thinking about the next step, moving here and there, having no flexibility around your own life things - then also trying to get to be a consultant faster but from what people are saying - that isnt rosy either, so l like it when people who can just pause and do the most. good luck!! enjoy your young years
Thank you so much ☺️
Good for you and well done on your decision. I think you've just learned one of life's big lessons earlier than most (speaking as an old person). The journey is the thing NOT the destination. Hope you have a blast. Blessings! Oh - and top tip for visiting home. Always organise a get together (BBQ, restaurant, dinner party, pub - whatever) and invite everyone you would normally catch up with. Some will come and some won't. Afterwards, then get on with visiting the people you REALLY want to spend your time with and NO time visiting those people you don't. It's a totally guilt free way to go home.
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I love the wisdom you shared in your video. Life is not all about the Career path. Striking a balance in all ramification of our lives , brings so much fulfilment and satisfaction.
Yes take time out for you! I did that too and although I get nervous thinking about career progression, I don't regret taking the years out as it really helped me reassess what I value and I'm much happier with the direction I'm taking my life now. Wish you all the best with your future endeavours!
Also thank you for the link to the paper in the other comment I'll be sure to read and refer to it too so I don't panic 😂
Very relatable. I've gone home south after 7 years studying and working in Queensland. Our careers are like a rubber ball and everything else (family, friends, health and well being) are glass balls. Although I miss the sunny state, I'm glad I moved back. All the best :)
Really loving your journey and you sharing it so beautifully. Honoured to have shared a lecture theatre. Proud of you. Go get it! Live life! x
Aw hey Samuel! What a lovely comment thank you so much and thanks for watching. Hope you're doing well 😀
Thanks Surina for articulating this. I'm pretty sure most medics resonate with what you said, but have aleways found it hard to get out of that stuck rut.
Sounds like a wonderful year awaits you, something you will not regret down the track. Best wishes for the adventures ahead.
Hi Surina, a friend of mine from Qld has been doing relief work in EDs all around Australia for ever - she works 2-3 hectic months then takes 6 months off to travel the world, learn yoga and meditation etc. Finally she found the nomadic life was preventing her from establishing any firm base or relationships, so after a fantastic time doing lots of what she wanted, she has left medicine altogether and is happy as a pig in mud. Colleagues, though exhausted from the rat wheel they feel trapped on, are amazed and still do not understand - though they have lots of money hahahaha. Well done you - looking forward to following your adventures!
Hi Surina! Love to hear your honest thoughts. Am supporting you towards your new goals in life, and looking forward to hearing more from you in the near future! 😊
You go kiddo,. IMO, you are taking a very balance approach to life. I think you are on the mark with your approach to the decision making process. All the best in your in your next phase.
So excited for your next steps! Im a physio who started doing locum work in aged care around Aus and I love it, I do think locum work is great - your skills are much needed and you might find yourself checking out small towns that you wouldn't otherwise think of exploring!
Yes looking forward to it as a good travel/learning mix ☺️
For locum,AMC reg is necessary?
Really enjoyed hearing your thought process to make this decision. This year should be exciting!
In Australia, when I was trying to get a job, we use to have a saying: It's not what you know, it's who you know!!!
Sounds like Italy
@@Heytno Yeah that is right, my mum says the same thing and she is from Italy
Is it the same pretty much everywhere in AUS?
I work in IT and the Australian IT sector is kinda limited regarding quantity of companies.
I wonder if I will have problems with that kind of thinking "It's not what you know, it's who you know".
@rafae5902 I had that problem as a teenager and early adulthood. But now, in my fifties, no one wants to hire me because I have too much experience. I got my jobs by doing temp work, and then they kept me on.
Most jobs are who you know, but when they see how you work and dedicated, they will hire you.
But today, I see people are hired with nothing. I think if it's meant to be, it will be.
@rafae5902 all the best!!
I LOVE this for you! I found your channel last week and binged a few videos while home sick today. This has been my favourite video so far.
Thank you ☺️
This video has been an eye opener for me..Thanks for cracking the code...I am grateful
The thing is anyone can do anything of their wish . But people get stuck by doing comparisons. What if I was like him/her ... I suggest you to do whatever you want but never compare or have regrets. Regrets mainly come from comparisons. Be confident in your decisions and think that you did right .
The way you described your thoughts in words is simply brilliant. Good luck
Great video Surina. Australia is a great place. Happy to see you are going to stay and travel around and see where the road takes you. When you head down South to Adelaide, I would be glad to give you any points on places to visit and see
This was very relatable. Thank you for sharing! :)
Hey! As someone who’s been very unwell for much of her life and yet still managed to do lots of stuff, I’ve done LOTS of locum work and short term contracts etc…. My strong suggestion is to keep in touch with the consultants you meet along the way that you get along with really well. Group emails, individual emails to ask them how THEY are and general medical questions (when appropriate as you can’t step on other toes!), that’ll help build your resume for any training programs anywhere you go but definitely in Australia!! And then even if you decided not to do a training program it’ll also help get jobs that you might never have thought of when they come up along the way!! And many MANY employers love have people who’ve had different experiences and understand different systems and will speak up (politely of course). Good luck!!!
Having worked around Australia during our life time, I feel you proposal of doing it as a Locum has excellent potential. If you haven't been to Townsville yet, there are an abundance of Doctors up here who no doubt could use a Locum. Townsville is wonderful to visit and or live, with much to do. Good luck with your working holiday in Australia and one never knows who we may bump into over the next year. Good luck and enjoy. You really didn't say if this is something you will be doing with your partner or by yourself.
Both of us locuming around Aus :) would love to go to Townsville!
Not a doctor, not from the UK or Australia. Randomly came across ur video and watched it all the way through. U have such a soothing voice and love the imagery u give while explaining things! Good luck on the decision you’ve made
good luck surina! a lot of what u said in this video resonates with me, and u gave out some lovely advice too (:
As always, thank you very much for this insightful video, Surina!
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I have been watching your content since you had around 4000-5000 subscribers and I gotta say you are inspirational. Look forward to watching more of your content.
Thanks for watching 😊
It’d be very interesting to see what you get around to doing! Kudos to you for being so brave!
I don’t think i would do better without a steady work life, but even after starting my GP training I am always wondering about moving someplace different or applying for a second training after these 3 years…..
Decisions! Decisions!
Do it!
Hi Surina, thanks for your refreshing confession, deliberation and videos. Always looking forward to your new release from time to time! As a current young NHS consultant surgeon in his thirties who is doing regular theatre sessions and oncall duties for the past 3 months and counting, I am facing a huge dilemma and seriously contemplating if I really, really want to stay in UK NHS long term due to the severe paucity of perks, benefits, income, flexibility, support, skill development, career progression and advantages working in this huge national service. When I was a junior, I was focused, focused, focused with the training needs, special skills, experience and fellowship to advance one step forward and closer to the CCT date and passing the ARCP every year with an Outcome 1.
After finishing surgical training fellowship recently in COVID, I am gonna confess to you and the rest of future generations of junior doctors aspiring to be a NHS consultant that the requirements and demands to any training programme (typically acute specialties, medical and surgical) are only going to worsen over time as the ARCP education panel is busy scheming and concocting new ways to make training paperwork as lot more complicated that it has to be than years before my time. I agree that logbook, reflection and case discussion are important but alot of emphasis goes into training needs that are simply just time wasting and consumed our meagre sum of income from NHS and personal time at home. We have gone more administrative as juniors and senior fellows than we need to be just to pass the ARCP and get that CCT in our belt. Even as a consultant now, I am doing admin in between my theatre days where I can simply start clinical from 7.30 am and finish at the earliest of 6 pm and having the sick sick pleasure of doing admin for the trust, otherwise your patient care and flow will be delayed. This is my work-no life balance at present which I am not happy about and did not anticipate this from years before as a junior.
What is worse is that the managers seem to think that like junior doctors, consultants are no longer in need of a permanent office desk for work which is so important for me to do admin+++, meetings, appraisals, discussion and computer work. Instead, they are proposing a hot desk whereby any consultant can sit on it and use it at the time if it is vacant. This is all because of COVID effect and virtual approach is adopted now but how can we surgeons see and assess patients virtually at all time?? When this was mentioned to me in passing, I found this very offensive and lack respect, value and appreciation of consultants who have given their time and life over the past years. I trained for 12 years to be a consultant and only to be denied an office desk for my job which is part of the requirement to do my job. FYI, all admin staff, secretaries and coordinators have got their own desks and computers to work as well as laptops to do.
Your video is reminding me that there is more to life than work out there and certainly in the NHS which I simply no longer enjoy working any further. As much as I wanna help make ppl better and do surgery, the balance is poor, the pressure is high, the oncalls are tough and unsupported, juniors are sick and worst of all, the income is so poor and below an acceptable standard of a surgeon with 2-3 fellowships.
Keep going with your personal time and agenda and be mindful that if u ever want to venture on any surgical training in UK, this harsh conditions will affect you and they are here to stay for a long time.
I m taking my time to plan and consider my next move--- it is certainly wont be involving the NHS for long term. I will help and look after ppl elsewhere in a better work system where they appreciate and pay doctors and medical staff well.
Thanks for sharing!
This was a great reflection. I am a Dr from a 3rd world country, yet I was shocked when I entered by ES office in the NHS and saw that it was even smaller and less private than the offices of v. junior staff in my home country. This was someone who had a PhD in addition to their Fellowship.
I wonder if the NHS HR are keeping up to the indices and stats on the things that kill the employee morale and how to keep it alive.
wow, great insight into the life of the average senior doctor in the NHS. I hope you find what you're looking for
I’d just like to thank you for your service to us (and by that I mean all of humanity) during this horrible time.
Every health care worker should be provided with the equivalent of military service medals for their time on the front lines of an unprecedented time.
I thank you personally for making Australia your home, for now at least, we really appreciate having people from all over the world make our small population more rich through inclusion and diversity.
Good luck with the choices you make toward what I hope will be a fulfilling and adventurous life x
Thank goodness, work - life balance won the day!
Ningaloo is a beautiful dive spot, if you are inclined, especially with whale sharks. Speleology is worth a crack, especially if you like your outdoors stuff a bit on the physical side.
Stay safe, maybe brush up on first aid for Irukandji Syndrome if you'll be spending time in northern waters. If you go off the beaten track, please take an EPIRB for rescue.
I wish you success and happiness along all stages of your life journey
I really enjoyed the perspective on the work life balance and comparison between NHS and Australia. I'm from India and my wife is a specialist physician, she recently received an offer to join an Australian hospital and we're moving to Australia this October.
We're really excited to begin our Australian adventure, and your video suggests to me that Australia is going to be a lot of fun!
All the best for the move!!
Hello divesh , i am also from India
And planning to move tớ Australia,
If possible would you please share any mode of contact, there are few doubts which i want to clear out
Thankyou🫱🏼🫲🏽
i dont usually comment on youtube, it's not my thing but Gosh I love this Surina, we were in Lister together during covid and on level 9 during handover. This video gives me more insight into you. Very smart and i love the reflection. i have just finished in ED, shift pattern and missing out on my family of 3kids -i just had a similar reflection and i see you here speaking out my thought process. I might travel to Australia one day, hope you will be there to show me around :)
Oh wow hey!
Ahhh those level 9 handovers 😅 absolutely will love to show you round if I'm still here when you come down :)
Well done Surina, that reg is a hero for trying.
You`re such an inspiration! Great video, I`m happy for you!
I'm a filmmaker and editor so it was random that I came across part one and decided to watch, I was curious about your experience as a doctor in Australia but ended up quite surprised by how many parallels there were in terms of making life decisions, progressing in a 'who you know'/referral based industry, overworking, hustle culture, etc. all things I have to deal with all the time and have an impact on the decisions I make about my career.
I'm always battling with my natural instinct to work and keep climbing the ladder v craving more human connection and travel, I feel like it's always going to be something that needs to be managed all the way through life.
Well done on taking the year out and prioritizing your other goals, for now, you gave me some inspiration today! All the very best!
Thank you all the best to you too ☺️
your very articulated where ever you end up in your life I'm sure they will be lucky to have you, I hope you'll end up in Australia and we would be grateful, I think you can do anything you want and you have whats needed to be a great surgeon. Best wishes you are only young and the worlds your oyster do it your way as your the one you need to please
Thank you 😀
I hope that if you do decide to go back to surgical training, and in the Breast & Endocrine field, that you do so here in Brisbane under Dr C Allen. There’s a desperate need for surgeons with a love and dedication in that area. I do believe (could be wrong) that he also now is in charge of the surgical B & E curriculum at Qld Uni.
I MIGHT still be here without him - but it’s highly unlikely I’d have virtually zero vocal chord nerve damage. He’s just brilliant!
Thank you so much for making these videos. I am a recent graduate from Pakistan and I had my plab 1 tomorrow but due to some issues unfortunately I couldn't take the exam and I have reconsidered entering the NHS after that.
I found your video amidst all that chaos and now taking the AMC is one of the considerations I m having because let's face it Australia has always been a dream for me and your channel has enlightened me a lot. ❤️❤️
I have never found any other systems organized and simplest than UK in other parts of the world. Once adhere to its backbone, one cannot find amusement in other parts of the world. I endorse your decision. Cheers😊
What a mature decision- 11 years into pharmacy, I wish I didn’t barrel forward through school, training, working and took time to figure out what I like and more importantly how to take care of myself. But I was in a similar situation of making a decision to stay in the US and making $30-40k more right out of school and having more fulfilling career option in private healthcare or move back to Canada to be close to my family and make much less, more competitive environment and much higher cost of living. At the end of the day, being far away from family was a non-negotiable and I don’t regret my decision as I can see my parents every weekend. I’m happily married now and made roots in my home city. Even if I did it again- I wouldn’t change it.
Best of luck 😊
Hi, Taneja here 😁. Awesome vlogs
These videos really resonated with me, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom! You're a couple of years ahead of me as a new F1 and I feel I can draw from your experience for my own guidance. Even if it adds nothing to the ol' career progression I'll absolutely be taking an F3 at the bare minimum to live that beach going, great barrier reef swimming, vitamin D absorbing, adventuring on my days off life in the moment 😍
Yessssss do it ☺️
Beautifully said
Hi Surina, I loved this video-thank you for sharing your thought process on making your career decisions. This is something that a number of your U.K./Irish viewers will likely be contending with when working in Aus.
Also yes please! Please share your itineraries, I would love to read them. I don’t know much about travelling around Aus so this would be great! Chlöe
Thanks Chlöe 🤍 I will do watch this space!!
5th year student here in NZ, interesting discussion I often reflect on the future gratification of this system "train/conveyor belt"
OMG, very cool. Very cool. Good for you!
We need more conversation on taking that time for our personal lives... I interviewed for my dream gen surg program in Canada and didn't get in. This was during the peak of pandemic with cancelled electives (which I worked so hard to get), etc etc, the whole process really drained me in the end. I took a one year break from applications, worked as a PA in a small community hospital and focused on planning our wedding and Hawaii honeymoon with my now husband. Best days of my life. Back from the honeymoon, I'm so much happier and do not regret any single moment of the last year I took time on myself / personal life.. I ended up getting into the UKFP program, so now I'm an FY1 working --feeling so REFRESHED with a supportive trust and more opportunities to pursue a specialty, I have my eyes set on interventional radiology now. No regrets :).
I am so excited for you and can't wait to follow your adventures in your journey to focus on enriching your personal life :)
Ahh amazing to hear good for you 😀
Thank you for this insightful talk, much appreciated. I am an Img from UK and am planning to get into surgical training in Australia, however I have been told that its next to impossible for IMGs to get into surgical training in Australia. Have you met any IMG in a surgical training pathway or are there barely any ? Hoping to hear from you soon. Thank you in advance,
Such a great video ...as a fellow doctor struggling with this tooo
The pay scales are much better in Australia than the UK, there are a lot of Tax incentives, $35k in training allowance deductions in a year for a doctor and a further $15k in tax offsets. But you do work hard for it in public hospitals, as most cases people are in the office by 6-7pm to start the day and finish at about 6pm. Just for intern for ultrascan specialist, salary is about $150k.
my first time stumbling on your page, I love u already...new subie
*lifestyle wise for sure.* the fact we cant synch to one med sys in even the english west is a problem. interesting seeing your walk thru your choice. espec for two. _JC
Hello Surina, I am a medical doctor from Turkey. I just moved to the UK for practice :) been watching you for a while. You have beautiful videos. One question I have is you mentioned an article regarding american surgeons and what they would have done differently. I could not find it on pubmed. Would you be able to share a link of that article? I would really appreciate it. Thanks so much!!
You may still change your mind. I’ve known people go back to the UK only to return to Aus for various reasons e.g. weather. My mum still gets homesick and goes home regularly only to can’t wait to come back to Aus.
Insightful video! I understand that networking is important but it seems a bit wrong that it takes who you know to get into the training programme. Should it not be a more fair system?
I think so!
2 words.. WELL DONE!
I’ve changed careers 3 times at least. I never regretted it. Doing locum work and travelling sounds such great fun. There’s some shitty dumps in Australia and a lot of great ones. Don’t hang around loserville, there’s nothing you can do.
I like the video you’ve done here. I’m a big fan of Homemade Wanderlust (Dixie aka Jessica Mills ) Her videos are also addictive but of course very different
Good luck
It must be a generational thing, but mine did not dread networking, indeed it was how we got jobs (back in the day). My kids tell me it's "different now". Maybe it is, but the best way to fail is not to try.
Best wishes for your wedding; you fiancee is one lucky guy!!
11:00 locum life seems so gr8. cant wait to see if it is! _JC
Absolutely not . Locums are ok at some times but it's just horrible after a few months
Fellow resident working Brisbane :) I hope I can run into you someday before you leave :)
So I have a question, that concerns SADS (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome). My question is, what are doctors saying and thinking about this are do they show any concern at all at where this is going to lead in the medical community?
Hey Surina,
For a while i watch your videos and subbed your channel. I am a 6th year medical student in Turkey.
I decided to settle in England and start a training program there for a while. But lately I've been very confused. My portfolio is currently empty because I have decided to go abroad too late and I haven't given the importance to my portfolio. It is not that important in my country to start work.
I want to advance in the field of surgery. I wanted to start directly from FY2, because I am eligible to do that but I am very undecided because of my portfolio.
I will be 24 when I graduate. I am currently between two options. Should I start from FY1 and focus on filling my portfolio, or can I adequately fill my portfolio even if I start from FY2?
I wish you the best and good luck on your journey 🥰🥰
Start ticking things off the portfolio whichever year you start in to maximise chances of getting a surgical training job
Hi do you know if Australia accepts MRCEM to work in Emergency Medicine?
I find it concerning that entry into surgical training here relies on networking.
Hey Surina
What aspect of the work culture in Australia is problematic? Wondering if you could elaborate a tiny bit? Thanks!
I have talked about it in this video and the previous one - expectations of overtime, sometimes nepotistic nature of the training programme
If having a family is in the cards, there are issues about what the children would say if they were given the choice. Your existing family is important, but you will live with your own children every day. By the way, I recommend grandparenthood and endorse my fridge magnet saying: "If I knew how much fun grandchildren are, I would have had them first."
How hard it really is to get into surgical residency as an img in Australia ?
A psychiatrist friend did locum jobs in NT & WA .. was not a bed of roses but the experience got him $$ for a house in south Sydney, travel and a Fellowship …
Atleast US/Can is nearer
I have a question dr taneza.i did my mbbs from Bangladesh. If i complete plab 1& 2 xm & also complete mrcp as well as do my training in nhs for more than 1 yr.will i get opportunity to be australian doctor?will it be difficult or easy to get a job in australia? Pls pls reply😞😞
Omg I wish I was in your shoes and took that opportunity I hate it here 🇬🇧
Could you please send me the link to the article you said about surgeons?
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/2758649
Your mum is a very wise woman.
💯
Hey,
Can you expand on the work culture as you mentioned it was very problematic.
Hi! I think I did in this part 1 (previous video) and also in my Q&A video 😊
And the elephant in the room is if you ever want to parent surgery and most specialties are simply not options
Forget Australia vs the UK, don't do Surgery do anaesthesia. Our survey results would look very different to the surgeons. Unfortunately I guess we need some people to take a terrible personal decision in order for there to be a point to anaesthesia, it doesn't have to be you! Or anyone else I can talk out of it. Regarding where to live and practice Australia offers an incredible life and enviorement to raise a family but that takes nothing away from the challenges of being an ex-pat. 14 years down the track from where you are now my wife and I still ask our selves the same questions about where we should be in the world. There's no easy answer unfortunately. You have to take the rough with the smooth, in Australia there's a lot more smooth but when you feel the pangs for family and home the rough is an awful lot rougher.
Oh dear, the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. Why are so many Aussies working in the UK??
The day you say roster not Rota will be the day you stay. I’d stay ! No regrets since 2007 Post fy2
Hahaha so true. Also forgot we didn't call them "scripts" back home
Over Engineering
Over thinking
Life is not so analytical
Why would you move back to a country that fits in to Victoria Australia? It is tiny.
Does geographical size matter? I mean yes, Australia is huge but most of it is inhospitable and the huge distances can be a negative.
I don't take up much space 🤷🏽♀️
CZcamsr Mama Doctor Jones in in New Zealand now. You should do a collaboration when you visit New Zealand.
Have you met Brits doing other jobs in Australia? Not a doctor but fancy the move and bit too old to go medical school now and pay out of my own pocket!
Hmm yeah a few!
Hey Surina pay a visit to Bundaberg. I am from Bundy :)
Just lookin at u is a blessing
Wowww!!! So awesome!!! Any Indian Surgeons moved there permanently?
I haven't met any yet!
Did you decide to stay in Australia for that sabbatical year?
For most of the year yes :)
Back to Square one 😁
Back to the pavilion 😁
Really don't understand do all training, family don't pay the bill.
We all have different priorities 🙂
Come to 🇨🇦🍁Canada!
Very high on my travel list!! But I think I'm done with the all the admin that comes with working in a different country 😅😅
Hello🥰🥰
Cutie ❤️
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