Shine - Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto 3 (HD)
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- A wonderful scene from the movie Shine.
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My own 2-cent movie analysis: Rachmaninoff's 3rd piano concerto is used extensively throughout this movie as a metaphor for David's mental/emotional state, and other clues are given as well. His professor says "no one's ever been mad enough to attempt the Rach 3" and David asks "am I mad enough professor?" The professer then gives a look as if to say "yes" LOL. He often runs while dropping his sheet music everywhere. He once walked up the stairs with no pants or underwear on. When he performs the cadenza for his teacher at the Royal College, he has trouble sticking with the notes and is scolded. He plays until the piano wire snaps-- a foreshadowing of David "snapping".
When he finally performs the concerto we see here, the excerpts are played out of order, again hinting at his chaotic inner mental world. Look at the frenzied camerawork as David plays that crazy scherzo near the end. Finally David falls on stage... again, not LITERALLY happening since there is dead silence, no one in the background and no one rushing to his aid on stage, indicating this is all happening in his head just as the snapping piano wire foreshadowed.
Much later after David performs the Flight of The Bumblebee in the tavern and is getting praise, you hear the triumphant arpeggios of Rach 3's 3rd movement playing in the background. Fantastic cinematography!
I credit this movie with awakening my love of Rachmaninoff's music, especially this concerto, and classical music in general.
Que maravilloso análisis has escrito y he leído , gracias .
Ahora comprendo mejor está magistral película, y entiendo mejor la vida y comportamiento de David .
I expected a 2-cent movie analysis; not a 2-dollar movie analysis.
Every time I hear this version, or see the movie, tears are coming up in my eyes. My favorite movie!
A friend of me met David Helfgott in the Blue traintrip in South Africa and he is liek in this movie. Hugging everybody he did not know up to then.
This scene and the Bumble bee made me learn to listen to Rachm, and appriciate more and more classical music. And Amadeus of course after reading the books about Mozart.
I feel similar. It’s a very powerful film.
Omg me too!❤️
Every time I see Noah Taylor, I think of this film. He’s aged into a villain (lol) but always think of his amazing performance in Shine whether he’s cutting off Lannister hands or leading the SS
Me too
same...i feel the pain the disappointment the eager to please yet never could to his father. The sadness when he plays and the heartfelt song was not just a summary of a lot of parenting issues but so much stress come from within.
excellent movie.. one of my favorites of all time
Happy/sad movie. Yes, great!
I agree!
Mine too. You kind of have to watch the whole movie to really understand this snippet.
2:00 the movie jumps from the beginning of the first movement to the middle of the 3rd movement.
3:16 the movie goes back to the end of the second movement
3:37 the movie jumps to the end of the third movement
Obviously they couldn't do the entire concerto, but I'm glad they got most of my favorite parts of the concerto. One of the finest pieces of music ever composed!
Thank you for the information!
One of the finest, better said, the finest piano concerto ever ever written. As for the finest music, I’d say, and that’s just my view, Rach’s 2 is a better musical composition than Rach’s 3.
I hadn’t realized that till you pointed it out, I guess they figure few people would notice. I’ve seen this performed live twice and I can’t fathom how difficult this must be to learn to play without making mistakes.
That's show biz, snowflake. Entertainment movies are not ho hum de dumb plodding documentaries. The young man who played the composer should have won an Oscar.
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Many years ago (25+) I bumped into David Helfgott at an airline check-in queue at Cairns Airport, where I had just spent an idyllic week in FNQ with a friend. He Was walking up and down the queue happily chatting to everyone with his wife while she, was desperately trying to pull him away fearing he was offending people. When he got to me I asked him for a hug which he supplied enthusiastically, and said what an honour it was to meet him. He asked me “Why?”…
I could not answer that question, there is no answer.
I had a similar encounter at the Melbourne baggage carousel. It was a sublime experience. He oozes an infectious, uninhibited, gregarious nature. What is there not to love about the purity of his geniune affection for people. Its like all the caution we are taught from an early age has been stripped from his soul . He relates to people the way we would like to, but alas can not.
OMG, how precious. I would've love that.
@@rachelcarter6155 I assure you Rachel... I did! 🙂
Saw Garrick Ohlsson perform this about twenty years ago. He gave a talk before he played and said "I learned this piece when I was younger before I could be afraid of it, and contrary to the movie 'Shine' it will not drive you crazy.... well not anymore than any other concerto". Great movie, greater performance, and greatest piece.
Try this piece and we'll talk, I can totally see someone who is I'll being pushed over the edge by this...
I was at Forrest High at the same time but never got to know him. He was pretty much a loner, easily identified by his shock of hair and distant look. I saw him many years later at a private concert in Perth and he had changed so much.
You have to experience this movie. I watched it back in 1996 (or 1997) at FEST in Belgrade. I cried in the cinema after this scene.
Noah did such a great job in this movie. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.
This movie still captivates me and to this day there is 3 scenes I think are among the best ever filmed.
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Me too. I have never seen this movie n I heard pianist Elizabeth Roh talking about this movie during Van Clibun broadcast so I had to see this!
Same here. Didn't know about this movie.
Big respect. Seven hours a day every day: that isolation alone could drive a mind mad.
my god this David HelfGott Story is the most chilling if not Historic for the entire music world !!!
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I'm not an expert on classical music but I agree vfc wholeheartedly
What a spectacular performance by Noah Taylor.
I still don’t understand why Geoffrey Rush was nominated (and won) for the Oscar when Noah had so much more screen time and pivotal scenes with this character!
The rhytmic frenzy and breakneck pace in which this sequence happens is mesmerizing… makes you feel how David slowly unraveled from this titanic effort. Brilliant direction and acting, all around!! ❤❤❤
Fell in love with this film and the music especially this piece! 😍😍😍
I wish someone would put the scene on YT where he has just given a performance after coming back from 10 years of mental illness and his family visit from Australia without his father who has died. David breaks down in tears as he gets a rapturous round of applause and I find that one of the most moving scenes in any film I have ever seen.
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Many thanks.
@@Coneman3 No problem.
Stunning movie. Stunning performance. Stunning music.
I try to convey this scene to people but its nearly impossible. Brilliant way of capturing the moment
The sequence is as emotionally intense as if it were a suspense thriller...
I sympathize with you 😊
My friend David did this same performance also at 16 years old at Juilliard School in new york. He developed an abnormality of the tendons not long afterwards and it was over....played since age 3 his mother a gifted teacher and pianist herself in north carolina
What does he do now?
Teaches piano and kung fu and is a decorative wall finisher
@@toscanoplaster5603 that’s good. That’s the key to success....adaptability.
This musical piece is infamous for how it can affect performers...
@@betterd9160 He is still doing presentations around the world, he is married and he is happy.
This scene breaks my heart every time
Life does not accept to surprise us except with what is painful. And within all this greatness and beauty, our heart is squeezed with pain.
Scena iconica del film Shine in cui più di uno perde la testa . Dalla bellezza e dalla difficoltà. Uno spaccato inimitabile di umanità.
My father played w him in concert when he played w West Australian symphony orchestra
and when i saw that film, i ask to my mother she is a piano player and she told me thats was real and thats was when she was a college girl, and rigth now, is one of my favourite movie, because i know that is a real story. Tnx :D
Dont you just love those big fat chords...its monumental. Tame it or it will swallow you whole !
Gerardo Nater its not all real.
not sure about this scene but i know that his father was not an Ahole as portrayed here.
and that is really the whole context or theme of the film
a ton of artistic license here.
Helfgott indeed had a breakdown and ended up in hospital whilst playing the rach 3 ..movies are always glamourised but absolutely there are elements of truth to the movie shine
I don’t know if the whole movie was really portraying his Dad as a complete A’Hole, just a very hurt man from having been in the holocaust!
I don't know if such a thing exists yet, but if there isn't, I want to invent it. It's a program that plays this complete piano concerto from the pianist's point of view on a virtual realty set. You sit at your digital piano (has to be digital so you can make sure it's off), put the VR set over your face, turn it on and see yourself sitting at the piano with the orchestra to your left, the conductor above you, and the audience to your right. You then follow along with the conductor playing the piece, except even though you're hitting every wrong note on your digital piano, you're playing everything perfectly in the VR program. For those of us who could never, ever play this piece, I think this would be so amazing to have. And then you could buy all sorts of other pieces to play along with. Does this exist yet? If not...come on!
sign me up!
You tube has so many great players of this; including Rachmaninov himself...I have a classical playlist with Anna Fedorova playing the 3rd and 2nd concertos I like to hear the 3rd first flowing right into the 2nd...They are such important pieces! Unparalleled in my more than a half century of being a musician and music lover...
It didn't occur to me until the past year that of course we would have recordings of Rachmaninoff playing his own concertos, it's an experience to listen to them.
May we never Faint without getting back up I truly love this video 🎹 ❤ 🕊
He got back up but he was never the same
I saw the movie Shine. It was wonderful. I felt sorry for the son and what he went through. I can't begin to imagine how difficult it was to have a father who was a tyrant.
There are many men who you would call a tyrant, but have been so twisted by abuse themselves they can no longer express themselves other than as shown in this movie. 3000 years of persecution will do that to a soul. When you 'break' a man, you really do break him; you break his damn soul. No man is a monster but for the damage caused by others.
I know but it also made him great it’s different cultures. Those Eastern European culture are very harsh and competitive. It must be as it’s the only to survive. There is a beauty to it . But at times he was too much but did love his son
Film meraviglioso , commovente, grandi attori!
Bellissimo film grande Helffgot ❤
THE BEST MOVIE I EVER SEEN
Rush was terrific in this film, but this scene - Father and son - was also extraordinary.
i wish i could pray with the same focus and commitment and open heartedness that that bloke plays the piano .some things would happen. still can't help but think Armin Mueller-Stahl is riveting as david's father .if anybody deserved an oscar for support actor he's one
I heard Josh Wright play this concerto - When he was in 8th grade he performed the first movement, and when he was in 9th grade he performed the 3rd movement. It was amazing, I didn't think any 8th/9th grader in the world would be able to play this.
Its not hard, maybe you auck
Giusto pensare ed essere sicuri che questo è l'apice del pianoforte e della musica classica
Still in my top 10 movies.
Extraordinaria performance de algo muy díficil!!!
Film fantastico ....io adoro ❤️Rachmanino
This compostitions fills me with the same awe that re-listening to rachmaninoffs third … and thats saying something 🙏🏼
How many moments till we are free...
BEAUTIFUL.¨!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how many piano players went crazy while playing Rachmaninoff.
He is one of a kind a precious soul
David helfgott is so amazing his story and the film has to be one of my favs of all time probs 2nd 1st will always be titanic but this film is more that extraordinary what I would give to learn piano like this and I know I could learn and I want to but I have hyperhidrosis really bad so my hands sweat up to 5 times as much as the normal person all the time so it gets so frustrating I’ve been thinking about getting special gloves or even surgery to get it fixed because it makes my life so much harder
Never give up with your dream keep playing I'm a life long guitarist 43 years old devoted to my instrument and just last year started developing psoriasis in both hands. It won't stop me. Never give up!
Perfection
Filme extraordinário!
He realized their dreams ....superb
At 4:14 is where he’s in the zone
No that’s where he has a stroke
I have seen this film a number of times. I have to say it discussed me the way his father treated this genius. Would you wonder that the poor lad had a nervous breakdown.
Capolavoro!
Simple yet highly charming melody in the beginning followed by one the most demanding passages piano repertoire has ever seen.
DAVID. always win. always win.
5:38 fucking brutal. For the horrible noise of him falling dead weight. Shutters to think what was going on in his mind as he hit the plywood. God... It reminds me when my uncle passed out from overthinking and stress. There are times when I feel like passing out, but a stronger angel tells me keep going and don't fall. Otherwise I know I ain't no more good.
el filme, deslumbrante!
All: if you like 3, try 4. His finest, I think, but least known. And for a real surprise, his first symphony, his finest work, after the Symphonic Dances.
Totally agree! 4 is just superb. My favourite composer/pianist, Сергей Рахманинов.
Como si te contará de lo que se trata la vida, un vaivén de intensidades con sus lados buenos llenos de calma, alegría, plenitud, momentos en los cuales quisieras el tiempo se detuviera para no dejar de sentir esa felicidad , hasta llegar a sus lados de máyor euforia, estrés, dramatismo que en ocasiones sientes que estas al límite del colapso emocional, pero resurges fortalecido y listo para otro trajín de esto llamado vida
great film
The opening theme of Rocky #3 is an old drinking song. "I'll have another round, please. And please pass the cheese." Thus, Rocky had a sense of humour. The young man who played the young David should have also won an academy award!!!
I always feel so conflicted about DH. On one hand, I would not wish his early life story on anyone, kids don't need that kind of vicarious living thru of the parents desires for success, the only thing a parent should ever do is love and be the best role model (I know it's a lovely thought and we live in an imperfect world, so will never happen).
BUT
There is no doubt in my mind at all, his genius with his craft is likely the sum of all the negative stuff. Had DH had these loving, nurturing, role model parents, it's unlikely he would ever gotten to be as good as he is. Genius is often tormented. You don't find people this talented,who are also really well socially adjusted, have what would be considered 'hollywood good looks' and can maintain normal relationships in life. Just like you find that some of the most brilliant writers, composers, etc, were drugged out of their heads most of the time. Usually why their masterpieces took so long to complete ... scattered minds I can relate to 😁
Still, it isn't a worthy trade to endure years of abuse and a lifetime of pain for some strokes of genius. And even then, many of the best pianists I know had perfectly wonderful parents.
Any genius has to achieve to make a mark. Imagine all those of genius potential who simply never made it because life problems got in their way.
Goosebumps
My 2nd favorite movie of all time
If I remember correctly the name of the guy playing the piano is Shiny McShine.
Sublime
4:08 my heart stopped, how did they know
Noah Taylor went on to cut off Jamie Lannister's hand.
Brilliant..!!
Bravo 👏 David ❤❤❤❤
Two months ago. I saved this. I am not going to lie. If you have to lie to save your own life. Then you lied in your life and death. Be a flower. Wilt. And then wait for the sun to come up again.
METAL
Rock the fuck out of those drums, Dale!
My grand dad knew Rachmaninoff well when he lived next door in Beverly Hills and used to bring him his cigarettes at the end of the month. He once took my granddad on his knee and played the famous c sharp minor prelude with just one hand. My granddad said it was the most thrilling thing he had ever heard. But once Horowitz came to ask Rachmaninov a question about how best to interpret the 3rd concerto last movement. Rachmaninov apparently didn't like Horowitz's question and promptly slammed the piano shut and said, with a heavy Russian accent 'Get out, you jelly-fingered mutt'. Strange story but my granddad always used to tell us all it at dinner time. Of course, it's not true, I just wanted to write a story that would keep Rachmaninov fans glued to my text.
You are such a cheap cheater. I believed you. Such an abuse.
@@sirfermainclancharlie1018 yes, sir - that I am.
@@militaryandemergencyservic3286 yeah and my grand grand paternal uncles cats were mating with Rachmaninovs cats))) they ve had a lot of kittens.
Actually Rachmaninov said to Horowitz that he (Horowitz) plays his third concerto better then himself. And this is a true story.
I read the quote in a Russian accent too.
One of my favourite films of all time but I don’t understand what’s happening at 3:40 the piano notes sound modified.
I want to see Rocky go into depression over his 1st symphony, then kick ass on the 2nd! Would be a GREAT MOVIE!
QUEL TALENT ET QUELLE SOUFFRANCE §
Lord's passion
Everyone who is so incredibly moved by this piece played by Helfgott should listen to Horowitz or Rachmaninoff playing it. There are worlds between them.
"No David, you're not going anywhere!"
O pai apenas tinha o desejo de sempre protegê-lo, mas, como pais infelizmente não podemos
Só Deus pode!
I find Rach 3 an easy piece to play, idk why people say it's so hard.
So what happened to the movie career of this guy? His older version Geoffrey Rush won an Oscar and became a Hollywood staple while he?
He's name is Noah Taylor, to mention one-he was in charlie and the chocololate factory (2005) as charlies father
He went onto do vanilla sky.
I couldn't remember the name of this movie. Now I do.
WA and SA and VIC. 1982 to 2023.
Some pianists are "made" to be able to handle Rach 3. I'm not sure why some can and some cannot. It's not always technique. Artur Rubinstein never did it. Most people believe Rubinstein had plenty of enough technique to learn it. I think once Rubinstein was asked. I believe he replied that he was "too lazy" to put out the effort. I don't know if that is true.
When Glenn Gould performed in Russia, many famous Russian pianists went to hear him play. Richter was one of them. Richter loved what Glenn could do. When asked about it, Richter was alleged to have said that: "He could probably learn to do what Glenn did, but was "unwilling" to put out the years of effort required to do it.
Pianists like Helene Grimaud never did Rach 3, but did to Rach 2, which is much easier. Grimaud made a musical career out of both Brahm's concertos. I personally find the Brahm's much EASIER than Rach 3, and I have played all of them, but obviously never as a professional.
David probably has an organic mental disease that has very little to do with his troubled relationship with his own father. I think David has no way to control his own reactions. Even by being medicated, which was a disaster for him.
I think that David should be "left alone" to just react with people the way he feels, naturally. He obviously is not going to cause them any harm. David is still a great pianist but has some idiosyncrasies that separate him from the rest. In my opinion, David has EVERY RIGHT to do the music the way he wants. If he wanted to hug me, I would hug him back, just as much as he hugged me.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
Retired surgeon
@LaughingStock55 My hat's off to you for doing Rach 3. I could do Opus 57 Beethoven when I was 16 years old, and performed it publicly. And the Grieg concerto, which is way less difficult than Rach 3. Perhaps defects in my technique make Rach 3 too high to climb. Of course, I can do parts of it.
But I am simply not a professional. It is obvious that you are. GREAT!
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
@LaughingStock55 For me it was very similar. I realized early on that even though I played really well, I had some technical problems that would affect my ability to develop a music career.
I became a doctor instead. My surgery career was a great success and I was able to retire at 53 when my ambulatory surgery center was purchased.
It is ironic, but I found the competition in medicine much less than in music! I got through medical school ok, got a great surgery residency and was able to get my ASC license on the first try.
This is not to extol my abilities. I was not good enough to become a professional classical pianist.
I had to make a choice of what I could actually do. And I loved being a doctor.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
I wonder if this was filmed in the Wayville Pavilion of the Adelaide Showgrounds?
Sounds like a Yamaha clavinova sample to ears. Anyone else agree?
The whims of a mad man, we all go a little mad sometimes
3:40
The ossia cadenza was the focus here at 3:14.
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guys, i asked a few places more,, i am looking for a movie, remembering a few scenes, a child hides under a piano as his parents got murdered and after years he became a hitman , as he shots people classical music plays in the background. I have dreams about that movie maybe 20-30 years old movie cant remember details but i want to remember.
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Yep. Rach’ll do that to ya.
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If you love this piece or want to,
Olga Kerns performance is 42 minutes of intense passion and satisfaction to this masterpiece
gdy dotyka serca muzyka to stajemy sie aniołami ze lzami w duszy
It's that tech support?
Yeah, he was in Vanilla Sky
Under Gielgud’s judgement, I would feel so inadequate.
why aren't the fingers matching help
Girl power