8 John Williams scores based on Classical music

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  • čas pƙidĂĄn 3. 06. 2024
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    As with all the greatest artists, much of their work stems from bits and bobs borrowed from the great artists who came before them, and John Williams is no exception to this rule. Many of John William's iconic scores and themes draw overtly from pieces by the classical composers who came before him.
    The outro music to this video is my track "The Longest March"
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    0:00 Introduction
    0:25 Star Wars vs. Stravinsky
    2:23 Star Wars vs. Holst
    4:02 Princess Leia vs. Tchaikovsky
    4:44 Apple Music Classical
    6:10 Home Alone vs. Tchaikovsky
    7:02 Jaws vs. Dvoƙák
    7:40 Star Wars vs. Korngold
    8:58 Patreon

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  • @DavidBennettPiano
    @DavidBennettPiano  Pƙed rokem +18

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    • @ytcorporate9237
      @ytcorporate9237 Pƙed rokem +5

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    • @colmx8441
      @colmx8441 Pƙed rokem +1

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      Why would you promote a FAANG company trying to take control of classical music?

    • @Nilmand
      @Nilmand Pƙed rokem +2

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    • @ytcorporate9237
      @ytcorporate9237 Pƙed rokem +3

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    • @BantheDan
      @BantheDan Pƙed rokem +1

      Could you do a video on songs that use the double harmonic scale? I love this scale it's a lot of fun to play, but I don't hear it much except for some surf rock stuff I listen to.

  • @catface101
    @catface101 Pƙed rokem +89

    1:35 Stravinsky sustains a D Minor and creates a masterpiece
    I sustain a D Minor and have to repeat the school year

  • @fromchomleystreet
    @fromchomleystreet Pƙed rokem +116

    It’s actually the Han and Leia love theme from Empire that bears the more striking resemblance to that Tchaikovsky violin concerto, rather than Leila’s theme. They all share that initial interval from the fifth to the third above, over the tonic major chord (along with Marion’s theme from Raider’s - Williams seems to associate it with romantic heroines), but the Han and Leia theme continues to closely resemble it even after that.

    • @0live0wire0
      @0live0wire0 Pƙed rokem

      I always thought he got that from Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet.

    • @wtk6069
      @wtk6069 Pƙed rokem

      Parts of the main SW theme resemble March Slave also

    • @0live0wire0
      @0live0wire0 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@wtk6069 and how about Duel of the Fates resembling Beethoven 5th?

    • @michaeldouthitt6138
      @michaeldouthitt6138 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@0live0wire0 Also, the "Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme" borrowing from Chopin's "Funeral March" from his 2nd. Piano Sonata.

    • @mr.k5865
      @mr.k5865 Pƙed rokem +1

      Han and Leia's theme (some versions of the theme more than others) is to my ears clearly inspired by 1) Leonard Bernstein's "Make Our Garden Grow" and 2) the opening of Henri Mancini's Days of Wine and Roses. Since Williams worked with Mancini, this isn't a stretch. czcams.com/video/YPBIEBjwU44/video.html

  • @MrKaywyn
    @MrKaywyn Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci +3

    The Kings Row example is mind blowing.

  • @ColdWarShot
    @ColdWarShot Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci +12

    On the Jaws theme, John Williams credited “Man” from Disney’s Bambi as his inspiration. Man featured a three note motif that slowly increased tempo each time. It stuck with him since he first heard it as a child in the theater. He went back to it, changed the key, and dropped the third note to get his Jaws theme.

  • @truefilm6991
    @truefilm6991 Pƙed rokem +339

    Don't forget that John Williams worked from a temp track with classical music for Star Wars. George Lucas didn't trust John Williams, thinking he was "just" a jazz pianist, which he also is - and a brilliant one. I adore John Williams. BTW The "Scene D'Amour" by the great Bernard Herrmann, for Vertigo, is basically Wagner's Tristan And Isolde. No human being creates anything from scratch and film composers are always working on the edge of getting fired by the director.

    • @PhrygianPhrog
      @PhrygianPhrog Pƙed rokem +25

      Exactly, he was working within a context at a certain time for a particular purpose. People also forget that Williams has composed concert pieces outside of the strictures of film music.

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  Pƙed rokem +26

      I have heard some sources mention a temp track, but George Lucas claimed that he never used a temp track for Star Wars.

    • @truefilm6991
      @truefilm6991 Pƙed rokem +9

      @@DavidBennettPiano Yes these might be rumors only. I'm talking Berklee music teachers no less. BUT let's assume there was no temp track. The movie that hugely encouraged George Lucas to make his Sci Fi movie (or better: space adventure) was Stanley Kubrick's 2001. It features mostly classical music (I simplify the term for the sake of clarity), which were use in a temp track. Alex North's score was ditched as a last minute decision (again: perhaps rumors, but they persist). So John Williams was very likely composing as closely as possible to a "soundalike", so he can reference back to exiting pieces and be on the safe side. J.W. was recommended to Lucas by Steven Spielberg. As far as I can tell one has a harder time finding inspirations that turned into soundalikes in later John Williams scored movies. I am not arguing, just sharing my thoughts. John Williams gets a lot of criticism. I believe it's for the fact that he isn't edgy and experimental (except for some cool atonal parts, say in Close Encounters). Going for pure beauty makes you an easy target.

    • @mrcoatsworth429
      @mrcoatsworth429 Pƙed rokem +14

      ​@@DavidBennettPiano Paul Hirsch, the editor of Star Wars, has stated clearly that they were using temp tracks. He's even done lectures on it. You can easily find CZcams videos of the editor of Star Wars himself stating this as fact.

    • @j.lindback
      @j.lindback Pƙed rokem +7

      As stated by others they used no temp track. But nevertheless: When you're composing for a movie you're giving the director what they want! If they ask for "Something in the vein of [insert another composer]", then they get exactly that. John Williams are often being scolded for borrowing from others, but that is how scoring a film works. Since he's a high-profile composer, who have borrowed from other high-profile composers, it's easy to blame him. But he works no differently than any other film composer.

  • @musicalcolin
    @musicalcolin Pƙed rokem +27

    And it's interesting how complex the flow of inspiration gets when you also consider that Stravinsky, Dvorak, and Holst used themes/tune from folk traditions in their own music.

  • @simonmowatt
    @simonmowatt Pƙed rokem +38

    The Holst Mars movement is in some ways more similar to the music accompanying the opening scene of Star Wars (1977).

  • @TalmoTheSell
    @TalmoTheSell Pƙed rokem +83

    I think it's pretty amazing how even pointing all of the similarities and inspirations, Williams' voice is still very distinct

    • @gabe_s_videos
      @gabe_s_videos Pƙed rokem +9

      I feel like that's proof that, no matter what you borrow from, your personal voice is going to come through in whatever it is you do.

    • @drakemallard1486
      @drakemallard1486 Pƙed rokem +2

      His voice is NOT distinct. If you play classical music to people in public, 9/10 of them will say, "OH is that John Williams? blah blah blah." I've tested it with hundreds of different artists with the same result. He is a plagiarist, plain and simple, and the fact that he doesn't even partially credit the original artists makes him a scummy composer.

    • @TalmoTheSell
      @TalmoTheSell Pƙed rokem +7

      @@drakemallard1486 Who hurt you man

    • @drakemallard1486
      @drakemallard1486 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@TalmoTheSell OH I thought I deleted this one because I came across as emotional. John Williams is a hack, but he does deserve a tiny bit of credit for his arrangement skills.

    • @TalmoTheSell
      @TalmoTheSell Pƙed rokem +2

      @@drakemallard1486 Ok, give me an example

  • @AtomizedSound
    @AtomizedSound Pƙed rokem +26

    One of the greatest film composers of all time and composers draw inspiration all the time from given pieces and soundscapes. Lucas did want his film to have a classical feel and cited several examples of the sound of the composers you mention here for John to craft his music like. It’s all great and different enough overall to appreciate the music and time that went into it

    • @TheDjenks
      @TheDjenks Pƙed rokem +3

      Yes! Cheap shot and inacurate to alllege that Williams ripped off other composers. Whose work btw is not protected by copyright. So Williams actually could have lifted it entirely. Of course he did not. All artists are influenced by some other artists.

    • @drakemallard1486
      @drakemallard1486 Pƙed rokem +1

      It's one thing to draw inspiration, and another thing to copy the lines note for note. He's a scam artist. Stop defending theft.

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 Pƙed rokem +6

    Merci beaucoup.
    A Piano professor told me about a student that wanted to drive his neighbour nuts. So he practiced his scales and ended them all on the leading tone, never playing the tonic. He moved out in less than 2 months.

  • @onemansopinion8135
    @onemansopinion8135 Pƙed rokem +13

    I find one that people always miss is the Luke and Leia theme with Leonard Bernstein's "Make Our Garden Grow" from "Candide." Being that Williams and Bernstein knew each other, I wouldn't be surprised Williams borrowed it from Bernstein.

    • @leonlinton634
      @leonlinton634 Pƙed rokem +1

      Definitely doesn't seem like an accidental similarity. Love that operetta!

  • @stevenanderson2542
    @stevenanderson2542 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

    Excellent video! Thanks for the effort.

  • @sbh1763
    @sbh1763 Pƙed rokem +59

    He also drew a lot from Shostakovich, Prokofiev, and obviously, Wagner to create leitmotifs for his film scores. Just like Mozart and Beethoven drawing from Haydn and Bach. My mentor once told me: "an average composer imitates; a great composer steals." Williams is a modern examplar of it.

    • @drakemallard1486
      @drakemallard1486 Pƙed rokem +6

      I think autocorrect hit you there. It's stole, not Drew. He stole the works. He gives no credit at all, even in interviews, to the original artists. He is a scam composer.

    • @gergoretvari6373
      @gergoretvari6373 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci +4

      @@drakemallard1486 using 5 notes from a piece or a song and creating something different with it isn't exactly stealing

    • @drakemallard1486
      @drakemallard1486 Pƙed 9 měsĂ­ci

      @@gergoretvari6373 If that were the case, then yeah... but Williams didn't steal 5 notes. He stole entire 8 measure phrases. He stole entire compositions and rearranged them. He is not a composer, and nobody who knows the old greats considers him one. He is an arranger with an inflated ego, and since he doesn't credit those he plagiarized, he is a scummy person.

    • @scherrer4715
      @scherrer4715 Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci

      I think this approach is wrong, what Williams is doing is not being influenced but borrowing. The relationship between Beethoven and Mozart is not similar.

  • @chazseabrooks6473
    @chazseabrooks6473 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci +1

    Thank you for making this video! Goodness, you taught me a lot!

  • @berenicechan4280
    @berenicechan4280 Pƙed rokem +32

    Thanks for showing actual scores and highlighting notes being played - would studies like more like this

  • @MrMont-ue8kh
    @MrMont-ue8kh Pƙed rokem +3

    Well done! I had noticed some of these, but you've catalogued far more. So the difference between "borrowed from" and "violated copyright" is a matter of waiting 70 years after the composer has died. Thanks!

    • @tharoog
      @tharoog Pƙed rokem +1

      Strawinski died in 1971.

  • @huehnerfrikassee
    @huehnerfrikassee Pƙed rokem +3

    I think it's important to note that directors tend to give composers quite clear instructions on what they want for the soundtrack of their film.
    Since the soundtrack is created rather late into the production of a film, directors usually accompany the scenes they've shot so far with already existing music to simulate what watching the film might be like when it's finished. So whilst composers commonly look for inspiration in pre-existing music, it is in many cases also down to the director telling the composer that they'd really love something that sounds a lot like piece x in that one scene and something that sounds like piece y in another. They sometimes just get so used to watching a scene and listening to that piece that they feel having anything else as the soundtrack would be wrong.
    Great video btw^^

    • @glasss1978
      @glasss1978 Pƙed 9 dny

      yeah, Lucas told WIlliams he wanted 30s orchestral style and different themes for each characters, like Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf

  • @RedCaio
    @RedCaio Pƙed rokem +2

    before any commenters get carried away, let's clear one thing up: Anyone who seriously tries to claim that John Williams plagiarized anything is simply demonstrating how little they understand the film music industry. 90% of time what actually happened is the Director specifically requested “hey, I was thinking this scene could kind of sound like this“ and so the composer basically has no choice but to write a new music that sounds similar enough to the pre-existing music to make the Director happy. Williams does this just as much as other composers do, he’s just more famous so the times he does it gets more attention.
    If there’s ever *actual* plagiarism, there’s legal action taken. Like when action was taken against Hans Zimmer for copying Holst’s Mars music in gladiator. or when action was taken against Tyler bates’ score for 300 for plagiarizing music from Titus.

  • @emilyrln
    @emilyrln Pƙed rokem +4

    Similarities can indeed be unconscious. I was reminded of this yesterday when, several hours after writing a song, I realized it was reeeeeeally similar to the opening song of Disney's animated _Cinderella._ Just add an extra measure before the end of each line and you get the start of my melody and chord progression. Of course, it diverges soon after that, but I couldn't un-hear it, so I fiddled with the opening a bit to make it less noticeable 😂 it's also reminiscent of "In My Life" from Les MisĂ©rables, but only for that first ascending line.

  • @joseph6270
    @joseph6270 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

    I always most closely associated mars with the first scene in the first movie, where the star destroyer is chasing down tantive iv. Love the other examples you give, never realized neptune was so similar too

  • @nickavenoso7851
    @nickavenoso7851 Pƙed rokem +7

    Williams also incorporated some themes from Debussy’s La Mer in his Jaws score as I’ve read. George Lucas originally wanted to use The Planets suite for Star Wars, but couldn’t get the rights, so he asked John Williams to compose something similar to or in the vein of The Planets.

  • @NealSchultz
    @NealSchultz Pƙed rokem +5

    All of these examples are true and I've "felt" them for decades. However, there is still a "John Williams" sound that is original enough that his music is always recognizable as a John Williams score. Sabrina, Accidental Tourist, Jurassic Park, E.T. and of course Harry Potter are some of his best amongst the typical of the John Williams sound..... He was responsible for starting me at a young age with classical music composers so I have a warm place in my heart for great film music.

  • @alanpotter8680
    @alanpotter8680 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

    I'm a huge fan of Williams, classical music and the act of composition. The Planets Suite by Holst holds a lot more cues to other Williams scores, including Harry Potter, A.I., Jurassic Park, E.T. and more.. Holst is a huge inspiration, no doubt. The Planets suite is full of underdeveloped themes and ideas. Not that it's a bad thing or anything, it just holds too much content for its own good. No wonder Holst hated the piece in his later years. The whole world completely ignored his other music because of it.

  • @peace-now
    @peace-now Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci

    The Star Wars theme also sounds like Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet. Nearly every film composer has used Holst as inspiration.

  • @TM-us5ti
    @TM-us5ti Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci

    The Creature from the Black Lagoon had a big influence on Spielberg's Jaws and there's a lot in the music too that John Williams seems to have got inspiration from, the underwater scene where the creature first appears is the theme right there.

  • @TaTopePia
    @TaTopePia Pƙed rokem +7

    Really glad you brought up Tchaikovsky, I think there are even more examples (ex. both the Swan lake theme and Vader's theme end in an extremely similar fashion, virtually the same notes). Once again, excellent video.

  • @fulltongrace7899
    @fulltongrace7899 Pƙed rokem +5

    In the movie Minority Report, in the Spyders scene, J W has definitely borrowed from Bohuslav Martinu’s 6th Symphony around the middle of the second movement. Doesn’t last long but immediately recognisable.

  • @demarcklucas
    @demarcklucas Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

    Ele simplesmente pegou uma pedra que jĂĄ era preciosa e burilou.

  • @PenneySounds
    @PenneySounds Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci +4

    That part at 2:58 is actually even more strongly heard at the start of the movie as the Star Destroyer flies overhead. That segment is basically the part from Holst but with the stings building and building as they go.

    • @PenneySounds
      @PenneySounds Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      And 4:07 is even closer to "Han Solo and the Princess" from Episode 5 than it is to Leia's Theme.

  • @mabodeely
    @mabodeely Pƙed rokem +6

    I don’t see this as giving John Williams a hard time. In fact, I think the fact that he was inspired by classical composers keeps classical music alive. He is one of my favorite examples when having the age old debate of is it “plagiarism” or is it “inspiration” with someone.

  • @ylyg123
    @ylyg123 Pƙed 27 dny

    3:20 Neptune
    7:48 Korngold "Kings row"

  • @gagagugu379
    @gagagugu379 Pƙed rokem +19

    I, ve always thought the same. Nevertheless, his themes and soundtracks are so good and appropriate and definitely they are golden classics themselves.

    • @kenvives
      @kenvives Pƙed rokem +4

      I may be influenced by my love of the films he writes for, but when Williams “borrows” from these preceding compositions, I feel he actually makes them better. Or at least, more accessible.

    • @dosterix6034
      @dosterix6034 Pƙed rokem

      @@kenvives nah if you look at it as a piece of music the classical pieces work better I think because they arent supposed to underline a certain movie scene but are made to express something single handedly and separated from any other sources
      In the end it's all subjective of course

  • @lukaslawrence8863
    @lukaslawrence8863 Pƙed rokem +1

    this video is BRILLIANT! I’m always in awe of such a great job with classical music videos like you!

  • @mabodeely
    @mabodeely Pƙed rokem +10

    I did a whole unit on this when I taught elementary school music! It was one of my favorites to teach!

  • @andrewlowden322
    @andrewlowden322 Pƙed rokem +5

    Crazy as Ive listened to the SW soundtrack since I was a kid in late 70s, continuing on to this date AND once you mentioned the composer and part of the film I suddenly knew which piece you were going to match them to!! I cant believe I hadnt made these connections before!

  • @ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks

    Most film scores of John Williams are based on classical music. Some of them are also based on already existing themes of classical music (the correct title of this video).

  • @leukas113
    @leukas113 Pƙed rokem +4

    When i first heard Tchaikovsky's Swan lake, i immediately thought it was the Anakin vs. Obiwan theme. And i swear if you listen to Swan Lake's Turning Point, you can hear the Darth Vader theme!!

  • @royalex21
    @royalex21 Pƙed rokem +7

    Awesome video as always, David! John Williams is one of the GOATs when it comes to film composers.

  • @timmothytroutt3715
    @timmothytroutt3715 Pƙed rokem +7

    Another Holst inspiration is the opening to Venus and the opening of the force theme. The shape and feel is very similar and I’ve heard the similarity for a long time

    • @TalmoTheSell
      @TalmoTheSell Pƙed rokem

      Yeah I feel like that one is overlooked a lot

    • @thegman8119
      @thegman8119 Pƙed rokem +1

      Also Venus influenced Yoda's Theme. There are many similarities.

  • @ConradSpoke
    @ConradSpoke Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci

    This influence of Copeland on The Cowboys is pretty obvious, but that title theme is bizarrely original.

  • @calebhu6383
    @calebhu6383 Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci

    There's also Brahms' Piano Concerto No.2 and the Star Wars theme.

  • @flavadave3943
    @flavadave3943 Pƙed rokem +3

    You should’ve also featured sugar plum fairy and the motif he used in home alone that resembles it. Also from the nutcracker, but I think it specifically, is one of the most obvious examples of “borrowing” and influence of all his works.

  • @thegoodgeneral
    @thegoodgeneral Pƙed měsĂ­cem +1

    This topic continually strikes me as funny because the videos that discuss it are more derivative and regurgitative over other works than the topic they’re discussing. There’s never any new information in these videos, it’s always “OMG DID YOU KNOW TATOOINE SOUNDS LIKE THE RITE OF SPRING??”

  • @jacobdufour4402
    @jacobdufour4402 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

    I’ve seen several videos like this, but I’ve never seen anyone else comment on the fact that the Ark theme from Raiders is almost directly lifted from Holst’s Saturn.

  • @moodiblues2
    @moodiblues2 Pƙed rokem +1

    David, I’m an amateur musician, singer/songwriter and producer of my own music. I’m fascinated by your videos comparing various pieces that are borrowed from earlier pieces. What Id love to see would be an interview with John Williams discussing his influences from earlier composers. I think he would be honest in such a discussion. I’ve “stolen” from Dvorak in composing my best song. As Isaac Newton said, in effect, we stand on the shoulders of giants when composing. After all there are only 12 notes in an octave.

  • @alanatolstad4824
    @alanatolstad4824 Pƙed rokem

    I'm glad you added Korngold & King's Row. In the interview he did with Leonard Maltin for the VHS box set, he did mention how much Korngold influenced his musical style in general.

  • @curtisdaniel9294
    @curtisdaniel9294 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

    Additional comment re John Williams compositions. One of my favorite Williams scores is EMPIRE OF THE SUN. Especially the choral music that is part of that score. Could you give some background on that, please? 😊

  • @IanWaugh
    @IanWaugh Pƙed rokem +2

    Hey David - super interesting as usual 👍 Good composers borrow - great composers steal 😊

  • @victorhugotoledocofre1366
    @victorhugotoledocofre1366 Pƙed rokem +2

    Also "Theme from Superman (Main Title)" (1978) ≈ Max Greger's "Fanfare March for the 20th Summer Olympics, Munich 1972." 👍

  • @JoelSyverud
    @JoelSyverud Pƙed rokem +1

    Your videos are always amazing and lovely, but this one had that little extra❀

  • @andsewitis
    @andsewitis Pƙed rokem +4

    Love this! I knew a few but not all. Planning to share with my fellow music loving friends. Thanks!

  •  Pƙed 5 měsĂ­ci +1

    What's the piece played over the closing credits? It's so good.

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano  Pƙed 5 měsĂ­ci

      Thank you! The outro music to this video is my track "The Longest March", available on Spotify and other streaming services 😊😊

  • @ChickenmanSC
    @ChickenmanSC Pƙed rokem +2

    Can't believe we went through all of these but didn't get the Superman theme! Hugely inspired by Fanfare for the Common Man by Copland
    Thanks to Williams, the Planets by Holst is one of my favorite things to listen to now!

    • @tedl7538
      @tedl7538 Pƙed rokem

      Not an original bone in Williams' body, in other words.

  • @simonlacey487
    @simonlacey487 Pƙed rokem +2

    So interesting David, thank you. It also seems in most of the examples that John Williams even wrote his pieces in exactly the same key as the 'inspiration' pieces! I thought he might have been tempted to change keys just to make the similarities slightly less in your face. Still a genius, as you say!

  • @SamuelCalangian-xm3hv
    @SamuelCalangian-xm3hv Pƙed 5 měsĂ­ci

    0:20 David should have said HEAVILY inspired.
    "HEAVILY inspired" -Charles the French

  • @frankfrank7921
    @frankfrank7921 Pƙed rokem +10

    David, I'd like to see you do a similar comparison using Howard Shore's brilliant Lord of the Rings score. I'm curious what, if anything, was inspired by other sources.

    • @markswift1382
      @markswift1382 Pƙed rokem +2

      The ring theme was taken from Leonard Bernstein's "Glitter And Be Gay" from his opera Candide

    • @thegoodgeneral
      @thegoodgeneral Pƙed měsĂ­cem

      lol you think there’s some originality to David’s video here? This stuff has been repeated by people on the Internet for like
 30 years.

    • @frankfrank7921
      @frankfrank7921 Pƙed měsĂ­cem

      @@thegoodgeneral lol! What the hell are you talking about? Who said David's video was original or not? Also, I don't think you've been on the internet since 1994. I have.

    • @thegoodgeneral
      @thegoodgeneral Pƙed měsĂ­cem

      @@frankfrank7921 my point is if you want you see his take on Shore’s LotR, all you need to do is search on the Internet and see anyone writing on the subject and you’re going to find everything you will hear in David’s video on the subject.

  • @sorlag110
    @sorlag110 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

    And this is all music always, intended or not. I think in cases like with John Williams it's that he's such a renowned composer borrowing from other very renowned composers it's so easy to cross check. But if you found the inspirations I think a video like this could be made for every composer. Great video, thanks

  • @christopherfryda
    @christopherfryda Pƙed rokem

    Solid video as always! Thank you!!!

  • @felipesnege4614
    @felipesnege4614 Pƙed rokem

    Amazing, @David.
    You should have mentioned Shindler's List theme and Mahler 8th symphony 1st part.

  • @playspianointhedark
    @playspianointhedark Pƙed rokem +2

    Great video, also Prokoviev, which you can hear very clearly in his music for Return of the Jedi-

  • @sjt4225
    @sjt4225 Pƙed rokem

    Absolutely wonderful video. Thanks so much David.

  • @alberteinsteinthejew
    @alberteinsteinthejew Pƙed rokem +1

    7:49 ok this is super mindblowing!

  • @curtisdaniel9294
    @curtisdaniel9294 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

    Very interesting. Could you consider some of Maurice Jarre's desert scenes music from LAWRENCE OF ARABIA? ❀

  • @LocrianDorian
    @LocrianDorian Pƙed rokem

    I enjoyed your take on this topic. A lot of musicians have been very successful just taking older pieces, then repurposing or redeveloping them. We all do it subconsciously sometimes even. Especially when it comes to Hollywood though, there are certain preconceptions they have to be met for the music to sound "right" for each scene. The chord progressions used, dissonance, etc.

  • @mabodeely
    @mabodeely Pƙed rokem +3

    HAHAHA, you got me! I was like, “That’s the Rite of Spring”, they are very close!!

  • @martinedwards2004
    @martinedwards2004 Pƙed rokem +11

    There’s another “inspiration” moment that I think gets overlooked. It’s the second movement of the Neilson violin concerto which inspired a moment in Jurassic Park. The melody, chords, and orchestration are almost identical.

  • @nedludd3641
    @nedludd3641 Pƙed rokem +1

    We all know 'Star Wars' to be an all-time movie classic, but some have suggested that at the time of production it was looked upon as just another space opera? Was Williams aware this film was going to be immortal at the time he composed it?

  • @sarahedwards2
    @sarahedwards2 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

    7:18 I’ve been saying that ever since the beginning of freshman year of high school when my strings class learned it, and it’s my example of a song associated with a minor 2nd.

  • @miketalcott5180
    @miketalcott5180 Pƙed rokem

    One spot of Williams’ borrowings I noted a long time back when I did a small bit in a community production of La Boheme is the similarity between the market scene and Harry’s introduction to Diagon Alley in “Sorcerer’s Stone.”

  • @RockandRollWoman
    @RockandRollWoman Pƙed rokem +1

    "Overt inspiration." 😂😂😂
    The more I learn about music, the more I contemplate where the copyright line is and should be.

  • @ackamack101
    @ackamack101 Pƙed rokem

    Also in E.T. there is a section towards the end of Williams’ score that makes a direct lift from the 3rd movement of Howard Hanson’s 2nd symphony (titled Romantic). He was actually sued by Hanson’s estate for the lift. Also the opening of his Mission Theme for NBC is very reminiscent of the opening of David Diamond’s work Rounds for String Orchestra. Those are another two examples. As Ned Rorem said, good composers borrow, great composers steal 😂

  • @notdave7005
    @notdave7005 Pƙed rokem +2

    Always loved this topic! The third movement of Dvorak’s 9th makes me think Star Wars as well
 maybe it gives me Dual of the Fates vibes?
 can’t put my finger on it

  • @user-ty9ho4ct4k
    @user-ty9ho4ct4k Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci

    John Williams is a perfect example of why the Blurred Lines plagiarism case set a dangerous and unjustified precedent. I would say many of his scores have gotten way closer to plagiarism than Blurred Lines. Imagine he was sued by all of these estates based on that case.

  • @HeathcliffBlair
    @HeathcliffBlair Pƙed rokem

    Thanks for the video. You have to be mindful of the role that the "temp track" plays in film music. That is pre-existing music laid down by the editor and director BEFORE an original score is produced. Often times, the incoming composer will be under pressure to mimic the temp score simply because the director has fallen in love with it. This has been a common situation throughout the entire history of film music. It was particularly the case with the first Star Wars film. TBH, I think some of your other Williams examples here are a wee bit of a stretch. Nevertheless, a pleasant video. Thanks again.

  • @davidjcheney
    @davidjcheney Pƙed rokem +1

    He was definitely heavily influenced by the Romantic era. One of my favorite examples, which has only recently occurred to me, is the track "Sean by Agatha" from 'Minority Report': I don't recall which symphony or movement, but it's very similar to Mahler. And the point that he's not the only composer influenced by those before him is very true: I also have noticed there are points in Hans Zimmer's score to 'Gladiator' that are almost literally Wagnerian.

  • @mswdesign9164
    @mswdesign9164 Pƙed rokem

    They all do it. John Ottman did a big Respighi borrow for Superman Returns. I recall Previn's soundtrack for Rollerball being nearly straight Shostakovich.

  • @grooviestthings
    @grooviestthings Pƙed rokem

    So much silliness David, you silly goose you! (Great video btw)

  • @matthewmartinbooksbymatthe7193

    At least concerning Star Wars, Lucas himself said during editing that he used temp tracks of various classical pieces before Williams began scoring, so it's likely Williams drew from those sources to keep a similar vibe and match the editing cuts.
    Love your content, by the way

  • @Bacopa68
    @Bacopa68 Pƙed rokem +2

    What about the most significant Williams composition? It's that music that plays when Gilligan steps on the Skipper's head while getting into the top hammock. Yep, John Williams wrote that.

  • @CraigGood
    @CraigGood Pƙed rokem

    When I worked at a hi-fi stereo shop around 1980 I loved playing the King's Row opening (which even had the Fox fanfare on it) for customers. They always thought it was The Empire Strikes Back.

  • @fortepian338
    @fortepian338 Pƙed rokem

    Very interesting video! Thank you!

  • @AndrodWorldMedia
    @AndrodWorldMedia Pƙed rokem

    Most of Howard Hanson’s Symphony No. 2 sounds like the “Jaws” score. Not to mention Dvorak’s “New World Symphony” 4th movement. And even more by Maurice Ravel’s La Valse. Also part 3 of Debussy’s La Mer (the sea).

  • @PeoniesRoses
    @PeoniesRoses Pƙed rokem +1

    Now it makes sense why I sometimes have the feeling I recognize themes from classical pieces in scores. Even if it's not always true in specific cases it still proves that it is in fact not always false when you have the feeling you recognize a theme. I had never heard the star wars one but even before you said it I immediately recognized the rite of spring in the second example. I was quite appalled tbh.

    • @tedl7538
      @tedl7538 Pƙed rokem

      Not to mention that Williams ruined the Rite phrase by dumbing it down into parallel movement of the dissonances.

  • @blackcitadel37
    @blackcitadel37 Pƙed rokem +3

    "Good composers borrow, Great ones steal" - Stravinsky

  • @lessaqueensrider8571
    @lessaqueensrider8571 Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

    I've listened to these, what we have is a sever case of sour grapes.

  • @roybarrows9733
    @roybarrows9733 Pƙed rokem

    Dvorak's Symphonic Variations ----> E.T Theme
    Chopin's Funeral March ---> Imperial March

  • @wotu4901
    @wotu4901 Pƙed rokem +5

    Great video. In my mind, the most obvious example is ET - the famous Moonlight Bike Ride theme is lifted directly from the cello solo at the end of the last movement of Dvorak’s Dumky Trio, just modulated to D major but otherwise not changed at all.

  • @korbi217
    @korbi217 Pƙed rokem +2

    There is another one: The beginning of Leia's theme is nearly exactly, far more than from Tchaikovsky, the second theme of the second movement of Richard Wagner's Piano Sonata in B-flat.

  • @liamnevilleviolist1809
    @liamnevilleviolist1809 Pƙed rokem

    I'm commenting on this video in a first second. I just want to say that this type of content has been done many many many times before, and even some videos have been taken down since I saw the first one.
    I hope this video shows me something new. Sorry if I sound like an a%%hole.... I won't deleted my comment, I'll just edit it once I've finished the video.
    Edit: Yep, just finished the video. Nothing new here. A few points out of about 20 I'd like to make:
    0:49 - The prominent high strings are a big part of Williams' piece, and the moving notes underneath are just a "mysterious" ostinato.
    2:00 - William’s piece is in 3/4 , a completely different feel to a 2/4 (try dancing a waltz to a polka in 2/4).
    3:57 - "A clear influence here" - I thought you were going to say Ravel! I didn't think you were going to say Tchaikovsky because that is your next clip.
    So, on Tchaik at 4:38 - Williams uses just the 'relaxed' 6th interval.... and that's about it. You can also here this beautiful 6th leap in such a piece as Brahms Hungarian Dance No.4 to "settle" the hectic vivace section of music that comes before a molto rit. leading back into a moderato opening theme.
    6:37 - Yes it sounds similar- mainly because of the instrumentation and tempo - but when looking at it properly, each instrument is doing something quite different. It just gives the same feel.
    7:24 - Jaws vs. Dvorak - Dvorak’s actually sounds like he was taking inspiration from Beethoven’s 5th! Of course we can’t be blind/deaf to
    that semitone. William's builds up that particular semitone *a lot* more..... so beyond the first three Dvorak bars, it actually turns into some sort of Shostakovian piece rather than Dvorak!
    7:49 - Lastly, "The King’s Row". I don't have much to pick on with this one because it does have many things in common with the Star Wars fanfare. However I've seen this "exposed" about 5 or 6 or 7 times before, so it's "old hat" now.
    Anyway. Not a bad vid, and I'd be happy to link this video to my students.

  • @John_Fugazzi
    @John_Fugazzi Pƙed rokem

    The March of the Ewoks was basically a reworking of the March from the Love od Three Oranges (included in the Suite) by Prokofiev. None of this, of course, detracts from Williams' as a great composer of film scores. He almost singlehandedly saved the symphonic film score from oblivion in the late 1979s when it was seemingly being replaced by contemporary pop songs, Licas picked Williams to be his composer after being highly impressed by his Americana scores for the Mark Rydell/Steve McQueen film, The Reivers and the Rydell-directed, The Cowboys.

  • @chanderprakash3159
    @chanderprakash3159 Pƙed 22 dny

    7:49 8:02

  • @user-de4fk8jv7f
    @user-de4fk8jv7f Pƙed rokem

    Really love this format.

  • @matthuss5487
    @matthuss5487 Pƙed rokem

    Love this! Danny Elfman borrowed from Hindemith's Mathis der Maler for the Batman theme. ---- "Good artists borrow; great artists steal." -Picasso (?)

    • @marcintwarowski
      @marcintwarowski Pƙed rokem +1

      Elfman is a huge fan of Bernard Herrmann. Hermann used similar motif in "Journey to the center of the Earth" - track number 7 "Mountain top / Sunrise (...)", 45 seconds in. czcams.com/video/umJRInWmiAc/video.html

    • @wyattstevens8574
      @wyattstevens8574 Pƙed rokem +1

      Elfman may have borrowed from Williams at some point: the intro to "This Is Halloween" has the same rhythm as the intro to "Home Alone."

  • @kitrichardson2165
    @kitrichardson2165 Pƙed rokem

    Thank you for breaking this down. I’ve enjoyed many of John Williams’ soundtracks and now I will be able to enjoy them in the original!

  • @palpytine
    @palpytine Pƙed rokem

    Not John Williams. But in the category of "Composers associated with Spielberg", I'm utterly convinced that Dave Grusin's "Fratelli Chase" (aka the Goonies' theme music) was very strongly inspired by Beethoven's Waldstein I

  • @chanderprakash3159
    @chanderprakash3159 Pƙed 18 hodinami

    2:50 2:58

  • @composer7325
    @composer7325 Pƙed rokem

    Brilliant video, David, thank you.

  • @NomeDeArte
    @NomeDeArte Pƙed rokem

    Love the video, thank you!

  • @brendanconnellan
    @brendanconnellan Pƙed rokem +1

    I think the Leia's theme comparison is a little bit of a long shot. Sure it's the same key and the same interval to start off but the rest of it for me is sufficiently different enough for it to be nicked. But yes I agree with these on the whole. He's very good at finding inspiration and adapting it beautifully to fit what he's writing for.