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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- A conversation about disappointing endings, the dangers of escapism and cultural hegemony. This was supposed to be short, but because I am a joke, here we are.
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Personally, I really liked the ending to Seinfeld, the characters are terrible people and we laughed at their expense, they never progressed or grew as people, and thus the show about nothing ends as the characters being unable to do anything else but nothing.
I loved it too. Actually I never understood why people hated it so much... What were they expecting out of Seinfeld?
This was dope. I never saw any Eva, Ive had a lot of people tell my my take on Attack on Titan is basically what if Eva was bad. This makes me think I need to watch Eva finally
It's a landmark piece of media for good reason
To be honest, I'm surprised someone of your stature hasn't.
Absolutely! I remember watching your aot video the first time wondering when you were gonna talk about it 😂 End of Eva in particular serves as a commentary on the exact type of young male anime fan you were talking about in that video, and the public's reaction to the initial evangelion boom actually informs much of the way the modern anime industry operates (esp regarding how female characters are treated and marketed)
AW SHIT HERE WE GOOOOOOO
Bro. Yes you need to watch Eva, especially after slogging through the back half of AoT when it’s screaming jingoism. It’s simply beautiful, and screaming for connection.
DOITDOITDOIT EMBRACE THE MADNESS
I think open-ended endings like evangelion's makes it easier for more people to connect to the same piece of art. It gives a hopelessly depressed person and a blissfully happy person the same opportunity to interpret the ending as something related to them and I think there's a great example of this in the end of Pink Floyd: The Wall (NOT SPOILING GO WATCH IT ITS WORTH IT).
yea the best pieces of art are incomplete without the viewer/reader/etc imo
I think it’s more that a good ending ends at the beginning
There are other good endings, but ending at the beginning, is usually pretty satisfying see the outsiders
Animorphs ended on such a thematically great, yet emotionally scarring, note, that the authors left a letter at the end of the book, and then another letter addressing how everyone was mad at it. "I was amazed how many people expected us to end this long and horrible war with a big happy victory and no one dies. In real life, even the most just war leaves behind widows and orphans and transitions into another war. We felt it would insult the audience to imply otherwise."
And when you read it from the beginning, you can see how well this was planned and how the seeds were planted for all the character's flaws to lead to their horrible decisions that make the end be the end.
Read Animorphs as an adult. You’ll laugh, you’ll scream, and... take a shot every time there's a genocide.
Yeah, I was a preteen reading that finale with 30/54 books read and its was amazing. Because I saw the beginning a bit of the middle and most of the end, and I felt heartbroken but respected as a reader. My favorite character died and he wasn't even the main character. But by god, did X's death (an important character) break my heart as we had seen so much high rising hope and then crashing down reality. I wish it was different but the writer respected its readers and as I grow older, I fall in love with that series all over again
This post has me intrigued about the Animorphs lore. Never knew it was more than what those book covers implied.
@@Antonio_Ortiz The book covers were probably the reason parents never looked into them and demanded they be banned. One of the main species is perpetually hungry, to the point where if you cut it in half, it will eat the other half. They... do not like this. A character trapped in the body of one doesn't last ten minutes before trying to trick his best friend into shooting him dead. Less than fifty pages later, the main character alien drives a mustang through an alien desert, listening to "Honky Tonk Women" and drinking Dr. Pepper through his feet. Earlier, a human terrifies them by removing her own hoof. (It's a shoe.) Later, she reconstructs from memory a fast food worker, but since all she ever noticed are his zits, he has a constellation of floating zits instead of a head. This is all in one book.
Most things have drama with comic relief. Animorphs has drama and comic relief, but the actual experience is a Rollercoaster of existential horror and silliness. You're already laughing once you start screaming and vice versa. And yes! It is a war! It has several genocides, it's been going on from the late sixties until the 1990s present, and now they're on earth inside the narrators' families. You gotta check it out, it's great even for adults.
oh my god, as someone who loved animorphs as a kid but only ever read maybe a dozen or so of the books, you've convinced me that i need to revisit and finish it as an adult. especially now that i have a much clearer and more developed understanding of why those books resonated so much with me as a kid, i'm really looking forward to falling in love with it again!
Yes 😊
I've never really believed that the best art has to be cynical and angsty. Terry Pratchett did a better job than I ever could of explaining why.
"Why does the third of the three brothers, who shares his food with the old woman in the wood, go on to become king of the country? Why does James Bond manage to disarm the nuclear bomb a few seconds before it goes off rather than, as it were, a few seconds afterwards?"
"Because a universe where that did not happen would be a dark and hostile place. Let there be goblin hordes, let there be terrible environmental threats, let there be giant mutated slugs if you really must, but let there also be HOPE. It may be a grim, thin hope, an Arthurian sword at sunset, but _let us know that we do not live in vain."_
Very good point and I agree.
I suppose I could've spent more time exploring the benefits of hopeful endings (there was going to be a Charlie Brown section), but the idea I was really trying to get at was the dangers of uncritically hiding behind fiction without confronting reality. Not that happy endings are bad or cynicism is superior, but that all are necesssary in leading us closer to the truth
@@tensai.productions I completely agree.
Some of the most beautiful endings I've ever seen are the ones that call out escapism in an optimistic way. Persona 5 is a great example.
after all, what comes after irony is love. sincerity, i think, is the most important thing to have in art above all else, love for the craft and all.
both of those scenarios perpetuate the myth that a strong man is gonna come and save us. that doesn't happen. the strong man is always a fascist. conning people into voting for fascists in the name of giving them hope is how we got to this horrible political climate of today.
@@perfectallycromulent Congratulations on being the first replier to completely miss the point.
The "strong men" are just examples. The point of the quote is that despair is cringe. Now take your political BS and shove it.
End of Evangalion did not end with the end of the world. it was the restarting of it. All souls who wished to become one did so, transcending 'ego' (called AT fields in this) and becoming one being. Those who wished to retain individuality and struggle in the pain returned, which is why Shinji and Asuka returned.
Not only that, but for the first time, we see genuine hope for them as friends, too, even despite their problems.
SOMEONE ELSE SAW NURSE JACKIE. Peak. Peak. Peak.
"Evangelion is not like other mecha anime" mfers when the challenge is to actually have watched another mecha anime (99% failure rate (watch Space Runaway Ideon))
Seinfelds ending is perfect; they finally get what they've had coming being the selfish, inconsiderate, and often outright horrible people they are throughout the whole show and I couldnt imagine it ending any other way. I could see Always Sunny doing something similar when that show eventually ends, honestly I'd be disappointed if they didnt considering that its basically Seinfeld high on paint and gasoline
i dont need a happy ending i just want a fulfilling one
Despite all that’s wrong in the world, to lose your hope, and not appreciate what good you can find in the struggle is worse than being overly optimistic. You can see beauty and acknowledge the pain, but it doesn’t make it any less beautiful.
The weight of the world is unbearable as it is. Why would you feel bad for not adding to it
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37:47 you are very correct here. when Instrumentality occurs in the film, Anno takes the opportunity to post the death threats he received on screen for the series' ending while literally reflecting the audience back on itself, and then uses the dreamscape of Instrumentality to retool the show as a sitcom for a few minutes. Man was PISSED that people only wanted a big robo battle after he had thoroughly and messily bared his entire soul during the series.
Fantastic video!!! Really got me thinking about things in such a new way and also perfectly put words to a feeling I’ve been having for a while now!!
I absolutely LOVE and relate to your content, thank you so much for curating it
The way you feel about Seinfeld is exactly how I feel about Attack on Titan ending discourse.
People forget that attack on titan is someone else's story, not their personal fanfic lol
That ending was whack.
I watch this whole video intrigued by your comment but yeah, I completely agree. I feel the same. That show fucking destroyed me and I love it for it.
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@@skechers28227 I said what I said 🤷🏾♂️
One of my favourite recent tv show endings was a show called Pantheon. It definitely doesn’t attack the audience but it made me think about the whole show differently, I highly reccomend it
I really like the amount of passion you have for art and how much it bleeds through all of your essays
I love your videos! They always make me think thoughts and want to cry and I hate it! Thanks! :)
I really got a lot to chew on even though I’ve never invested a lot of time into any of these shows. Well done!
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Really glad to see you posted.
I've always been split on the Seinfeld finale. I loved the story and was very satisfied to see the gang finally get what they had coming. However, I felt like the quality of the jokes was very much a step down from the rest of the final season and the pacing just dragged on way too long. Loved the concept, was disappointed by the execution.
This is honestly my favourite vid essay channel ive ever found
What a great video! I'm gonna have to have a look to your other videos
Bro your videos have been such high quality in editing and bringing emotions out of me. I appreciate what you’re doing.
This might be one of my favorite video essays rn.
TENSAIIIII I CANT WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOUVE COOKED UP THIS TIME
It’s wild to go back and watch these shows when you understand the world better. Frasier is one of my family’s favorite shows of all time, and I still love it. Seinfeld and Friends, too, if I’m being honest. But it’s so easy to see now all the “jokes” that are really just sexist or racist or whatever else they thought was funny but was really just othering.
yo, think about this, when frasier first appeared on cheers it was as diane's boyfriend and former psychiatrist at an inpatient facility. that's messed up. something similar happened to elaine on seinfeld. she was dating her psychiatrist and he actually used their professional relationship to manipulate her romantically. i think ross on friends was dating one of his students and also on friends phoebe's brother eloped with his high school home ec teacher and later used phoebe as a surragate for their babies. tv was pretty messed up back then
Great video! I love hearing other people's take on Evangelion and this inspired me to check out nurse Jackie. Keep up the great work!
Another great video fam
thank u, i love u tensai productions
I love your video essays
Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me kinda fits this mold as David Lynch decided after getting his and Mark Frost's show canned after an infamous cliffhanger, he decided to make a prequel, a horrifying one too. Gone was the soap opera melodrama and humor and here came Lynch's usual surrealism and a very horrifying premise that just keeps you in dread because we (the viewers) obviously know what's going to happen to Laura Palmer. He really went all for it and I think it's one of the film's biggest strengths. This film also never solved that cliffhanger I mentioned since it was supposed to be followed up on a sequel if this movie didn't tank in the box office. It's a shame as this film is what I consider Lynch's most humane film (I haven't seen Elephant Man) and honestly, there couldn't be any of the TV show's eccentric humor considering the subject matter. It's like if End of Eva kept the sort of slice of life humor from the early episodes (funnily enough, both shows are incredibly similar in some aspects in story and real life).
Fire Walk With Me, Elephant Man, and Straight Story being Lynch's most humanist works would seem about on point to me.
@@AwwGeeZ1983 Yeah, I loved The Straight Story, it somehow fits David Lynch’s style because he knows how to make an empathetic film. I somehow rated it even higher than Mulholland Drive, I don’t hate it though
you're the video essay goat
I get why people have criticism of the Barbie movie, but the one that bothers me is the "Barbie wasn't feminist enough or in line with my feminism" take. I definitely think that the Barbie movie isn't the end all be all of feminist messaging, but having the experience of seeing it in the theater was honestly kind of magical. The crowd had such an energy that Iv never seen for any other movie. Like maybe the cognitive dissonance speech was a bit reductive but in the theater the audience was cheering and shouting "MHM Preach it sister" and like i think that is the true value of the movie as a feminist narrative. There were women (and men) in that audience who felt seen in a way they never really are by movies, so while I understand the criticism you will never catch me saying the Barbie movie was bad or not feminist or whatever. I think it was perfect for what it was.
it’s global feminism. something that may feel a bit weak to leftists talking on twitter, but something that is important for many women who may not be in active feminist spaces to see.
@@megan-mr9vkIt's a toy advertisement for a toy that is notoriously dangerously and unrealistically proportioned.
@@megan-mr9vk it’s “my first feminism” course. Introductory gender studies, which is great in its own right, but I don’t know if it’s worth being called a masterpiece.
@@meattray6932this. it’s essentially a gentle satire of liberal feminism which will probably go over the heads of most casual viewers
It's the first movie in a while I dare call a comedy, and a good one, and my boyfriend refuses to watch it...which is very funny because he's also the guy that says comedy is dead because of political correctness and because people nowadays are too sensitive...
No I never miss a moment to hold this hypocrisy over his head😂😂
This very much explains my social anxiety, like the world collectively didn't get the message or refused to get the message... "because funny, haha"
Seinfeld: always sunny for sane people
I've grown to have the same metamorphosed feelings towards the Seinfeld finale as I have of The Sopranos ending; initial confusion and dislike eventually bloomed-via a nagging sense I was missing something, spurning me into investigation such as found in this typically superb vid essay-into awe and love for their respective bravery into the pursuit of honesty.
this video hit suprisingly hard and made me a bit emotional. i'm subscribing now
Arthur Verocai??? is that a fucking Brazil reference???
Kudos from Brazil. Like always, amazing video. :-)
I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed the use of Arthur Verocai's music in these videos (I also noticed it being used in the Orson Welles video).
Good analysis vid that you made👍🤌
Hey Tensai, I loved this video, you’ve given me a new appreciation for Orson Welles and I’ve loved all your videos. I really wanna see your opinions on the film Love Exposure because I feel like your perspective would be very interesting to see. Anyway love your stuff keep going 🫶
Great essay, made me depressed about late stage capitalism
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Look at it this way: things were never universally better at any point in human history. In some aspects things got worse, yes, yet in others they got better.
Things were never good and are unlikely to ever be good, so there is no reason to sweat about it.
It made me sad so it good
I rewatched 12:49 to 12:56 several times, that was phenomenal editing and timing
Btw I went thru every song I could find on yr track list but none of them were that song, which song was it? Might’ve been one I missed
In my opinion, I think the first title you had for the video encompassed it better (coming from one overthinker that changes their videos all the time)
Great video congratulations. Take care
Boy am I glad I didn’t eat those mushrooms yet
Good video. Small note: Practice your script, a lot of words are mumbled, and the tonality of your speech varies at awkward times, I think with a good audio setup and better practice your thoughts would be conveyed much clearer to the listener.
Surprised you didn’t mention The Sopranos, I’d love to see you make a video on it, at some point
I FOUND this channel through the Orson Welles video as a fellow Welles-head, and now you're defending the Seinfeld ending? I love your videos but sometimes it sounds so much like I'm listening to a more competent counterpart of myself, like a nightmare. I guess challenging media is always more interesting :)
30:45 seriously, the video essay about Orson Welles is actually really good. Impressively good. On par with some of the best video essays I've ever seen. Watch it if you haven't.
I wonder if OP knows about Tolkien's "On Fairy Stories"
I always liked that ending it stayed true to the spirit of Seinfeld to the bitter end.
Opium Ken Carson reference I love destroy lonely !
The Eva rebuild films aren’t a remake of the series they are a direct sequel. At the end of the original series the world ends and restarts as the rebuild world and then at the end of rebuild it ends again and starts as another new world.
Another one!
i'm early to one of your videos
I like the Aristocrats ending!
Tip. When you mention Eva, try your hardest not to make mistakes. These fans will rip you open!
Excellent video - you need to watch Revolutionary Girl Utena. It was made for you.
Also the show Crazy Ex-Girlfriend has a stupid title, but very much everything you saw in Nurse Jacky
Endings are hard
Yes😮
41 minutes in, and I want to let you know: I disagree here and there, agree here and there, but more important than that, this video made me feel something, talking as a fellow pessimistic. Greetings from Brazil.
Eva 4 basically told the fans to touch grass lol
that is not what happens in the end of evangelion.
great video! I'm curiouswhy aren't there captions on the clips?
this video made me watch evangelion
Well now I know how Seinfeld ends
4:43 Jesse is that you?
Spoiler alert.
One of my teacher’s showed my class ‘Saving Private Ryan’ and most people hated it because half the cast died including the lead (Tom Hanks). I didn’t get why that was a problem, it’s a war movie what were they expecting?
What is the audio at 9:16? It’s a Picasso quote but I can’t find the source
Andersen's mermaid actually did get what she wanted. She was under existential dread when she learned that humans have an afterlife bc they have souls while spirits like her don't, so she want to become human to have a soul. In the end faced with the bad deal of having to either break up a couple or commit murder to become human she decides her selfish desire isn't worth arming other and she gets given another shot at salvation: she is bound to help human for 300 years with the added bonus of some discount if kids do something good or something like that. So basically she is definitely getting what she wants in the end although she had to basically pass several trials and then work for it anyway but is rewarded with eternal life for her honesty.
The troubles you speak of clearly show, a story of a protagonist barred from heaven by birth working double time to get salvation has definitely a specific meaning for a gay author who wrote tales for the moral integrity of children.
But yeah, it's a very interesting story with a very interesting background and at least doesn't have a bunch of girls, at least one of which underage, putting up a pinup show for the exclusive audience of their father.
granted, P. L. Travers famously called out the story as manipulative for emotionally blackmailing kids to behave better so that the mermaid could get her soul sooner
ja, ja, and audrey ended up some place that's green, in both versions
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7:29 what movie is this?
33:39 an inEVAtablity
28:11 is that Joe Biden
in all fairness, you were probably young in the eisner era
If you haven't already, maybe you should give "Berserk" a try.
based rebuild enjoyer!!
No frasier in this vid clickbait leaving
I'm guessing you like monogatari
Everyone is seinfeld is jewish not white. And i could go on for an hour about why I think the rebuilds are a bastardization of the original show and movie but ill make it one sentence. It rewards Shinjis cowardly behavior more than NGE+EoE did. I understand why people like it tho im in the minority here
Conceptually, the Seinfeld ending is great. But it wasn't entertaining and it wasn't funny. Seinfeld is not a drama. It's not a "dramedy." So really, that's the problem with the ending. In fact, the whole last season suffered from just not being funny. I wasn't disappointed in the ending bc by that point I had stopped watching Seinfeld. But I did watch the ending and was reminded of why I had stopped watching in the first place. Seinfeld was never about escapism - the characters are uniformly terrible people. You aren't supposed to want to "hang out" with them. They might burn down your dad's cabin, reveal that he was secretly gay, and then laugh about it. And when the series was firing on all cylinders, they could have pulled off the ending and made a masterpiece. But they didn't go out on top. They chose to end the series when the writing was declining. There was no way they were going to stick that ending and they absolutely didn't. It was boring and unfunny, but worse, it was insulting to people's intelligence. You don't have to ramp up their unlikability in order to prove they're terrible people. They spent 9 seasons being terrible. So instead of a witty, brilliant denouement, the audience was treated to a clip show with recurring characters spouting their catchphrases, bookended by a terribly unfunny attempt to make the four friends as blatantly terrible as possible. It's actually a real shame, bc there absolutely is the structure of a great episode in there. The "No Exit" ending is a great idea. It's just the execution that failed.
i thought i was the only one. i just stopped watching towards the end of that season. i didn't even feel like watching the old eps at that point for a long time, it was like a switch, just one day i didn't feel like it, so i'm not sure i've ever seen the final ep all the way through, though i got the gist by now. i still like seinfeld and recently have watched a lot of it. all these years later i can really appreciate how seinfeld made the modern sitcom possible
YOU are not that important. Yes, YOU. That might seem harsh, but its actually liberating. You do not have the weight of the world on your shoulders, every decision you make is not critical. Do your best, learn to work with others, and it'll be fine.
yeah, except, every choice you make actually echoes on for all eternity, but since we can't really know which ones will initiate which chains of events, it all works out, mas o menos
..was this edited by a crack-addled squirrel?
Okay now you’re making me think we’re all evil for just going to work and angryposting about genocide while this is happening to Palestine. Which, fair.
I'm a bit confused as your description of the Little Mermaid's is kinda wrong and this is important because your changes feed into your point.
Unlike a lot of fairy tales, the Little Mermaid has one true original. There is no deviation here aside from adaptations.
The story is quite clear that mermaids live for a very long time because mermaid's don't have souls. They don't have an eternity like humans do.
When she dies, she thinks this is it for her as that's the way it should be. But some deity takes pity on her in light of her somewhat noble actions of non-murder, and makes her a daughter of the air, in order to keep living. And these air women have the special privilege that allows to them work at being good in order to earn a soul. This becomes her new goal.
Ultimately this is not a tale of love nor sacrifice, but of spiritual nobility.
Mainstream values were just different back then, you see.
I still haven't watched Disney's Little Mermaid to this day. Since I've learned about the original version as a kid, that ending was so haunting and powerful to me. It made me realized happy ending don't always happen, but it can still be beautiful.
God, I really need to watch Evangellion again. That shit was so good.
Fraiser sucks for real lol
Lol. What even is this video? The beginning and the end were ok I guess, but there was a good 20-30 mins of unnecessary meandering here that honestly kind of made the video confusing and unfocused.
I did kinda get that feeling. It still had a point, but I felt like thy could have been formed better. Though I assume the third part was adde later.
I took away from the middlepart that was emphasizing how misleading most Disney films were about conflict, especially compared to their source materials. That and how the other shows emphasize how things in life aren't as simple. At least this is my takeaway.
But yeah, maybe a bit more tinkering with the script could have cleared things up.
Ive never even had an interest in watching sienfeld but for the 90s its a pretty good ending from literally the summary of the episode lol
They're not an audience, they are creeps
FD was right. This channel is a keeper.
This dude is so scared of being perceived as a "Disney adult" that he did the whole "uuuh but I'm not a Disney fan or anything I swear!!! 😟" right before criticizing Disney anyway.
Note: None of the four main characters of Seinfeld are White. Three of them are Jewish, while the other, Kramer the outsider, is Catholic Italian. That matters for the context of the show.
Italians are white.
Jews are white.
George is Italian on the show his last name is Castanza. Unless you are talking about the real life ethnicities
Jews are white.
Italians are white.
I hate and love The End of Evangelion. One one hand I think it is totally pointless and there is no need for it to exist and I hate it because it goes against my fondness for not revisiting stories which are done. However it does share my absolute distain and hate for the anime watching public which I get. I hate evangelion fans and this film feels like a parody of the previous 2 episodes. I love him addressing the audience directly and I love Shinji busting a nut to a comatose Asuka. It is very entertaining to watch.
Isn't it a little dubious to say Seinfield was innovative to the sitcom format for being "a show about nothing"? What was Friends about? Frasier? Third Rock From the Sun? Or any other sitcom coming out of the same era? It's comedy from some dumb situation, so, pretty much the standard, even for that time, and all of them build in premises for the main characters to be kind of bad people.
Also, extremely dubious to characterize Disney princesses as 'being forced to find a prince against their will'. They canonically fall in love and want to get married to those princes, it's only the critic that doesn't want them to fall in love. It's so cynical to look at the most idealized love stories where the two characters marry after actually falling in love and say "How terrible. Look at how oppressed this character is by society." That's not really valid film criticism, you're just projecting your biases onto a story that vaguely resembled the foggy shape of what you want to address.
You should have said that you think rebuild is a good ending at the beginning - I wouldn't have wasted 50 minutes listening to someone being wrong.
If you have constant anxiety fiction isnt going to help. It means you are mentally weak. Make your body strong and the mind will follow.