The nine throws of Gichin Funakoshi
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- This video discusses the nine throws of Gichin Funakoshi, the father of modern Karate, and how they have a Judo and Aikido breath to them.
Jesse Enkamp's article :
www.karatebyjesse.com/funakos...
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There are still two more throws that Funakoshi included on an earlier book of his: fumi-kiri and node-osae. Worth taking a look!
Chadi if you read the book of Funakoshi "karate-do kyohan" there is a chapter about the throws in karate.
The original form of okinawan karate grappling called tegumi (okinawan sumo with ground game and submission) and tuidi ( submissiom and joint manipulation techniques).
The original Te (karate) was a complete martial art. The shotokan enphatizes some principles of the complete art to adapt it for civilians self-defence. For these reason ,like Funakoshi said in the book, throws are present in karate and every karate must learn how throw. But throws are a supports method, are the means not the goal like judo. This is the major differences that changes the dinamics and the mechanics of the techniques that seems similar in karate and judo.
Jigoro kano enjoyed the karate of Funakoshi, but more the original karate of okinawa like the Go-ju ryu.
I'm a karateka, boxer,judoka, bjj, and MMA fighter. In primis a Shotokan karateka in my heart.
You're doing a very good job and you are a very good researcher.
Motobu choki 'karate jutsu' is another great book to read
Looks like Karate is a complete art
@@Chadi in fact the original art was a complete art called Te. The Shotokan version of karate or Te was a complete art too but with different goal and mindset.
Karate is the most misunderstandood and commercialized art of nowdays this why most people (also some masters) know little about karate.
Kudo is good and the original art of karate (Te) like go-ju ryu was not so different.
Thanks for your attention
@@mirkoparagano1744 thank you Mirko
@@bunkaiking where i find it?
Have you readed it?
People don't know that there are alot of throws in these Katas.
That's why i made this video
Chadi , thanks , good video
For me, Iain Abernethey was the first one to bring this to light a few years ago. Then when I started watching WKF matches I saw them doing throws also. But when you type in "Funakoshi 9 throws" there's a guy who did a video on it 7 or 8 years ago. Funny thing is, this is a guy whose channel I've been subscribed to for years and never knew about his video.
Chadi jan, you have tapped into a very valid and important aspect of karate jitsu. Thank you! The last two set of videos were excellent for those of us who teach or practice karate-do!
For those who claiming that the previous video was "kudo" and not traditional shotokan or traditional "karate" throws, it needs to be emphasized that even Funakoshi's karate underwent change when it arrived in Japan from Okinawa. Shotokan borrowed from and adapted many techniques from naha, shuri, and tomari.
Furthermore, Funakoshi had a very close relationship with judo founder, Dr. Kano. In fact, Jigoro Kano sensei invited Funakoshi sensei to stay and teach at the Kodokan. Whenever, Funakoshi semsei passed by the Kodokan, he would stop and bow deeply to the building.
I cannot help but think their was an exchange of ideas and perhaps even adaptations of techniques based on the sharing of these ideas.
Furthermore, the relationship between these arts is reciprocal. Many may not be aware that judo has striking techniques just as karate has throws and joint locking techniques.
Yes their relationship clearly is present in the manifestation of the arts
This is the best explanation of the Funakoshi throws. After studying Shotokan for many years, I had believed the throws were both Aikido and Judo. Thank you so much for using your experience in these styles to offer this explanation.
Thanks Chadi, good work!
Thank you!
I've shared on my WordPress blog.
Thanks again
Thank you so much
Thank you for your research Chadi
Excelentt video! thanks for this!
Thank you Dave
Excellent I've studied these
You should have also translate the name I find it very poetic and picturesque how Funakoshi described his throws. He was clearly very literated.
Yes i should have
He was a poet. Shoto in shotokan was his pen name.
Really cool to see a review of these from someone whose main discipline is throwing. Well done
Thank you Heath
Yet again an excellent video. Very knowledgeable you are...
Thank you
Excellence vídeo. Thanks for you job... 🇧🇷🙏
Ayyyyye I was looking for you to make this, my dojo actually teaches the 9 throws, thanks for the vid.
Thank you
Thank you! This… Is the video I’ve been looking for! Simple, to the point and informative. Subscribed.
BULLSHIT
@@leethomson5733 what
@@Senseijefre you don't look old enough to have you own Dojo LOL 😂
Nice video. The only thing that makes me sad is the fact that nowadays many Karateka do not even know that Karate has many throwing techniques. Many more then "just" this 9.
But is really refreshing to see people like you not just sticking to "their art" but also having looks at others.
6:54 i've seen this one as a joint lock as well. You spin his arm so your opponent's elbow faces the ground, then you apply preassure over the joint. You can even go for the takedown right after. I think most of this throws i've seen in bunkais but this applications are also interesting so thank you for bringing them to our attention
Ah i see it thank you
Very good
Thanks; from an Australian Aikidoka! :)
Thank you:)
My first time watching this video, Chadi. I'm watching this video right now because yesterday I text my great-uncle in Puerto Rico and asked him which Karate did he learned over there in Puerto Rico and he told me that he trained in Karate for 12 years starting with Masutatsu Oyama Kyokushin Karate and then learned Funagoshi Shotokan Karate afterwards. So it's good to see this video, Chadi.
🙇🏻♂️🙏🏻thank you for watching
@@Chadi you're welcome, Chadi
Greetings from the 🇬🇧 Its great to see a video of all three martial arts crossing over. I believe in the early days when the Japanese came to spread the Martial Arts to Europe there were schools that trained all three disciplines. Kind of similar to what modern bjj clubs do today ie. Wrestling, no gi' gi etc. I don't know of any that still do this now. Thanks for mentioning Fallon he was an Amazing Judoka.
Thank you so much! Much appreciated
Good explanation of the kata and bunkai thanks for sharing I will share in FB page Karaté Para Todos
Thank you so much
Nice video
I do not know this person, he took my video of the demo of Nage Waza, and edit it, with other disciplines. It is fascinating to see the bridge between disciplines. Martial Arts by Abraham Yuan Tsur. Thank You 🙏 Chadi. The nine Nage Waza (throwing techniques) of Gichin Funakoshi, I’m demonstrating here in front of my teacher at that time Tsutomu Ohshima Sensei, which was a direct student of Gichin Funakoshi. This demo of Nage Waza took place in 1993 at Nisei Week (Second generation Japanese cultural weak), in Los Angeles.
Thank you for this demonstration
@@Chadi It's very nice to meet you. I really liked how you edited the video and the explanation.
@@abrahamyuantsur8528 thank you nice to meet you too
Wow, on a hard gym floor !
The biggest difference between the karate and judo forms of taniotoshi is that in the judo version you go inside so that they can do the breakfall. In the karate version you go outside. That means the opponent cannot do a breakfall.
I did shotokan for a while, and the ippon seoi nage wasnone ofnthe fisrt 3 throws we did... The other 2 were the ashi barai and the osoto gari... In my opinion, those 3 + maybe a koshi nage/o goshi ornsimilar hip based throw are the best throws for a striker... As soon as you get im clinch distance, pick a grip you like, throw the guy to the ground and either run or ground and pound... You are the one on too after all
Agreed
Actually the Shotokan Karate had been influenced by Aikido and Judo, two great and powerfully martial arts. This video was very instrutive. Thanks for teaching and sharing it. Osu!!
Thank you Joao
Ok, mas o grappling já existia no karate antes mesmo de ir para o Japão. Estude os kata
@@viktor7208 De fato. Só me referi na questão das quedas. Obrigado pelo excelente e esclarecedor comentário. Oss!
When it comes to Taniotoshi, it is not like Ippon-seoi-nage (One arm shoulder throw). The way I perform it here is, during the Uke’s attack, there is an attack with the front hand to his ribs. Immediately after, throughout my leap to the opponent's back, I rotated his arm to a Palm up to fixed his arm for a lock. Then dislocation of the elbow and a throw ( Attack-Lock-Break-Throw). Here I perform the exercise when I lift my Uke from the armpit for safety.
If anyone has any questions I’ll be happy to help. Thank You ☺️
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Such a great channel. How come it isn't growing faster?
Thank you so much i really appreciate it
Very interesting :)
Indeed
Thanks so much for this video. Because of your help, I'm noticing more of the takedowns in my Bagua forms. This is excellent, keep up the good work!
Thank you
That uke needs a raise!
Very Good Job' s Chadi Comment on Istory and Comparaizon different Style. .. Nice One ... ☺😊😀/👍👌👏
Thank you Luigi
Thanks for posting, I think Jujitsu can claim some common ancestry as can Okinawan grappling... keep up the good work
Thank you
That common ancestry could be chin na to some good extent!
6:48 he doesn't throw him due to the danger of his arm breaking because the thumb of uke is facing upward this is a difference compared to seio nagge
I agree. The elbow of uke is on tori's shoulder(trapeze) and uke moved tori's arm downward and his body upward to do the damage in tori's elbow.
While in seoi nage uke puts his shoulder or forearm under tori's shoulder(armpit).
That technique (of breaking the elbow) is very used in japanese jujutsu.
I agree with Jimmy in terms of terminology
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Karate & Judo combo is good.
Indeed
3:10 the way they punch in Aikido always cracks me up. It’s like a strike from Buzz Lightyear.
Hahahaha haha so true the tsuki is funny
You see this more commonly in lesser known, softer Shotokai karate style
Thank you for sharing
Interesting,
The first martial art I trained in as a kid was Shotokan.
Karate was my first martial Art I actually have a black belt in Karate before crossing over to judo
Awesome Stephen
Uki otoshi is also the basis for Uchi mata sukashi
Correct
All old style karate have throws throughout the karate world , that said Okinawa a we’re renowned grapplers prior influences from Thailand and China
When I see Shotokan being practiced it always looks to me like beginners in my style being high in stances and very choppy in motion even when seeing Master Funikoshi doing it. I know that is deceptive, but what I do like about Shotokan over my style is the basic grappling. As a former grappler going into karate it had an advantage in real competition tho kumite rules prevent me from using those techniques. I late broke away from my style and added grappling and throws into the mix.
It is deceptive sticking to the basics might make you look like a beginner, Gaetje against Ferguson used the bare minimum but inflicted incredible damage, Musashi's kenjutsu relies on small movements and the basics no fancy things
Chadi which is exactly how I perceive Shotokan’s very linear movement and almost bouncy motion. In the shared katas like Taikyoku and Pinan, I see less core rotation in hand techniques and fewer power moves tho the stances seems to be all about power. My style, Seido (very similar to Kyokushinkai) has much more focus on a strong foundation and power motion. I see Goji-RGI almost as a link between them, but there are still many direct similarities between Shotokan and Kyokushin.
the second one is more like an ikkyo ura from the sleeve
Thank you Chadi. Do you think to interview Jesse about them? :)
Oshima Karate style 👌
Traditional karate have many throws, joint lock ,takedown and Tuidi
thank you ...a lost part of modern karate training ...which explain parts of some kata which otherwise seem without any meaning.
Thank you Kostas
Note he copied Okinawan Te, and also got his throws from them. At higher levels, all students of Shorin Ryu (in Okinawa, at least) practiced them as much as any strikes. Same for the "softer" Shaolin techniques (after which Shorin is named).
For anyone who is interested in more traditional karate videos with bunkai. Check out iain abernethy. Karate is not a sport!
That's so great! Thank you! In Wado-Ryû Karatê-Dô there are at least two throws taught as part of the main curriculum.
You can watch them here:
1. Kihon Kumite 5: czcams.com/video/pD8SNJOPxig/video.html
2. Kihon Kumite 10: czcams.com/video/UmZYp2-mncQ/video.html
As you might know, the creator of Wadô-Ryû, Master Hironori Ohtsuka, was proficient in Shindô Yôshin-ryû jujutsu. So I would say that those moves are from jujutsu... One curious and pertinent thing to say here is that Master Ohtsuka was one of the first shodan from Shotokan and that he is the person we see doing the throw moves with Master Funakoshi in Master Funakoshi's book (at least in the first edition).
Thank you Jorge! Yes there are many Koryu I'm finding out about
This is an interesting topic, although Shotokan probably isn't the most interesting Karate style to look at. Okinawan styles like Goju Ryu include far more standing grappling, throws and takedowns. Wado Ryu also has a greater emphasis on these aspects than Shotokan.
Are any of these effective against a BJJ grappler? BJJ fans' comments always brag that striking can't beat grappling, but I never see any sweeps or throws in the BJJ vs. Shotokan videos. I've seen videos of BJJ beat 3rd dan black belt shotokan in seconds because the striker goes for a strike instead of taking advantage of the grapplers momentum.
Karate as an art has a modern grappling influence from judo.historically karate is mostly of a okinawan/chinese base.Kata or forms was enphasized the aplication of forms or bunkai was not as much.some aplications got lost.the more modern judo/jujutsu/bjj influenced bunkai might come from an effort to reverse engineer bunkai.some great names cross trained in judo and karate bringing some flavor to their personal game.
I'm reading more about the history of karate
@@Chadi it's a complex history. A rabbit hole. American Kempo/kenpo can also be considered a form of karate.arguably tang soo do or taekwondo.karate ethymology as empty hand was a political change.karate originally meant china hand. Okinawa was a middle ground between the rivalry between Japan and china.I suggest jesse enkamps vlogs on the origin of karate
Check okinawan's folk wrestling.
"Morote gari" means double leg takedown in Japanese?
Reaping with both hands
i know Jesse Enkamp. I watch his videos sometimes.
Iain Abernethy is also excellent. His videos are amazing
One of the biggest channels
Very good video. Check out iain abernethy channel. He had a lot of videos about karate throws
Will do
Good tip
If you ever do another one of these karate throw videos could you review these, especially the second throw from this video. I've some jujitsu (not jiu-jitsu) schools do a similar one. czcams.com/video/QhJWFcf_dXg/video.html
Looks nice but nobody will act like the uke's in the karate (one hand at hip and freeze after attack) and aikido (keep holding and following along) clips, meaning the most important part - unbalancing - will not work. In judo the uke tries to resist... that makes all the difference (aliveness).
Yes but I'm sure with enough resistance yiu can pull it off eventually
I love your channel. Thanks for all your hard work. This is really a good place to start when talking about throws in karate, but I found your Karate versus Judo video great too. It would be good for you to comment on the throws and sweeps used in karate tournaments today. This video is a good compliation: czcams.com/video/F72buLLRTXc/video.html. Ignore the title, probably the only takedown it does NOT show is karate's ashi barai.
Thank you! I'll check it out
didn't know in karate you can hit a man with a pile driver
Aikido is a stand up grappling and throws, when are people come to realize grappling doesn't only happen when on ground? Lika sheeesh
Aikido is Bullshido 👎🥋
Hey Chadi, I've seen that "jackhammer" drop at the 9:00 mark before in an old US Navy World War 2 hand to hand combat training film. They call it the "leg lift" in the training film.
Here it is at the 2:04 mark:
czcams.com/video/7GWKuFb-Jfk/video.html
Not sure if you have already seen this old Navy training film. It's really interesting. They show a lot of judo, jujutsu, and catch wrestling techniques. It's a three parter - Part I, Part 2 and Part 3.
I see! Thank you for sharing this
hiii'i am so sorry , the karate throws are great but the judo or aikido throws are not similar as the karate ! the karate throws are more similar as the daito ryu katas ...pressure on elbows ...and so
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Whenever I see someone pulling an empty hand to the hip in front of the opponent I know it is a fake karate!
It's a demonstration though
@@Chadi I see what you saying, but please, be sure, that is wrong application, and people demonstrating, they don't know that it's wrong. And also those demonstrations, kata done as a choreography to score points, 3 steps kumite with clinch moves falsely ineterpretted as "blocks", and mainly pulling empty hand to the hip are things that ruined the notion of real karate, that was practiced in Okinawa back in the day...
the way to bring real karate back is to explain what "the other hand" is doing on the hip...
Isn't it well known that Funakoshi took a bunch of throws from Judo to make his Karate look more mainland?
@Nikolaij Brouiller Funakoshi's Karate took all of it's throws from Judo because it was supposed to be mainland Karate. That's why even the kanji he used spelled "empty hand/fist" not "Tang hand/fist" or "chinese hand/fist". It's all well known.
There are three main differences between his and okinawan styles.
1. The usage of the Gi, as you mentioned earlier. Many if not all styles never used any type of training uniform in Okinawa. They didn't see the point in it. In fact Uechi ryu didn't use it in regular training until the 70's i think. Only in competition did they wear the Gi.
2. Technique wise, the punches in Funakoshi's Karate start from the hip level, not from the shoulder level. The amount of high leg kicks in Funakoshi's version is also overwhelming. All Okinawan styles did high kick's mostly or only as a surprise attack mostly in competition not as a part of an actual fighting strategy.
3. Funakoshi took out all of the kote kitae or body hardening methods because he wanted to spread Karate through the school system and thus create a more "approachable" style which could be taught alongside Judo in universities and thus spread much faster in the mainland and gain him reputation.
Like I mentioned the name spelling. Chinese (Tang) fist - 唐手
Empty fist - 空手
The reason of course is the Japanese national ideas of the time which constituted a strong xenophobic sense in those days especially towards other nations in Asia. Therefore anything outwardly not Japanese in heritage had to be "Japanised" or it wouldn't be acceptable at all.
I'm sure there are a lot of people mad because you are comparing Aikido to the "favorite" marital art and that offends them especially BJJ.
I'm not sure I'd trust anything by Jesse
Why?
He is very biased, check out Practical Kata Bunkai, that man is full of wisdom.
Also Karate Culture.
Why?
this guys philosophy pretty much f*cked up the whole karate...
What?
@@7771Java his philosophy turned karate into a joke.
@@zoxoor3759 this is stupid statement and not true
How come??
I think you have mistaken funakoshi as Nakayama!.