Is destroying the bot troop carrier worth it?
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Asking the big questions and applying science, let's look at this debate and see if we can answer it with a little data, a little elbow grease, and a lot of explosions. Should you be blowing the enemy aircraft out of the sky despite glitches?
devs should buff dropship crash explosions
This is a great idea.
I think if you shoot down the drop ship before it drops enemies, they should insta die
100% Far too often do all the bots survive the ship dropping DIRECTLY on their heads
That and the 500k
@@LucifersSins bro I swear the secret nerfed it or something awhile back 😂 it used to one shot a bile titan with ease and then one day after a small update its nearly impossible to get on unless its DIRECTLY below it. Even then it sometimes survives
It always is. Its not about the damage its about sending a message.
The Ministry of Truth approves that message.
Absolutely helldiver
This is the true answer. This is Super Earth's planet, and the bots are getting evicted
This guy gets it
Not to mention, it's just plain fun.
1:09 You forgot outcome 5: the dropship lands on a fabricator, and the fabricator goes kaboom.
I honestly never seen this
@@saintwaffles I've had it happen a number of times. If you want to see it, there's a video by daemolya showing a bunch of ways to take out a fabricator, and it's #18 on the list.
@@saintwafflessee it everyday
@@saintwafflesI had it happen once. You have to take it out when it’s right above the fabricator
As it’s known in the FGC, a “Happy Birthday”.
Bots that haven’t yet left the dropship have a higher chance of dying. They’re basically glued onto it (even if the ship’s shot down) and always get hit with the explosion of the ship thanks to being so close to it. If one’s already falling down it won’t take as much damage since it will land on uneven terrain and be out of reach of the exploding ship, or the ship will avoid it altogether
It's a matter of PRINCIPLE for me!
Same bro 🫡
also it looks badass, literally terminator warships
Yes, Democracy Officer, this man right here… he is a true patriot!
Pinning the bots under the destroyed dropship still works as my experience has been that they’re still vulnerable to an Eagle Airstrike. Even if you’re running without one, still pins them in place long enough to run away.
imo this is still a bad outcome, because it gives the enemies cover and makes it much harder to kill them unless you use another strat
@@JohnCena-fd5ywme with my 500 and precis strike
@@Uzyvan6 yeah but i would rather just shoot the bots and have those strats available for a bigger issue later, yknow?
Or you can just walk away and forget about them.
@@N20Joe doesnt work on defense missions unfortunately, or on higher diff where the hulks and heavy/rocket devastators will instakill you from across the map
They really, REALLY need to fix that shooting through rocks/buildings/dropships the bots do. Its honestly embarrassing stuff like that is still in the game. Its frustrating, unfair stuff like that, that causes new players to give up. Ive seen it first hand trying to get my friends into helldivers
They need to tighten up a lot of mechanics and reduce the frustrating unfun glitches in this game if they want to retain their dwindling player base
Eh... Is game.
Still fun.
@@themarlboromandalorian What you or I think doesn't matter, it's a fact there's a lot of frustrating inconsistencies with this game that's causing it to die. That's a problem, regardless whether you understand it or not
The game isn't dying lol. I encounter a bugged enemy once every few missions on helldive. I literally don't know of a single co op game of this kind where I don't experience strange bugs at that frequency. What is a problem is the dropships specifically.
Helldivers 2 is not a massive AAA game meant to complete with firmly established titles that have infinite content systems. Never was. It's a first-time big budget game for the studio. Yeah I obviously would like bugs fixed and I'm not gonna buy super credits but this is all very dramatic.
Marlboro and Matt fugging get it. Good jobs fellas!
@@marcelwaddell6290 Do you "get" that the games lost like 95% of its players and still dropping? I love helldivers, play it every day and solo helldive regularly so this isnt a skill issue like some prefer to write off criticism as. The game has far too many issues this long after launch, and new ones keep getting added.
I've had first hand accounts from people starting fresh, so I thought I'd share how they got on with it. I know people prefer to bury their heads in the sand and ignore all criticism, but that's not smart and it'll only cause the game to keep dying.
On Helldive it’s kinda worth it because every dropship will carry a small army. It’s always better to have at least a small chance to disable a bot army before it even lands. It spares you ammo and stratagems so you can focus on the big things. Speaking of big things, those rarely die when the dropship is shot down so no reason to shoot for those carrying tanks. Sometimes they get buried under the rubble but that’s inconsistent.
If you play low difficulty where there’s only one or two ships per drop (and less enemies per ship) then it’s better to grab some general purpose weapons. Shooting down ships carrying two devastators is not a priority
It’s not worth at all since you need to tradeoff better strategems for something that 100% kills a dropship (EAT/RR) which have limited utility on Helldive due to their reaction speed to anything. And especially because you get 3-5 dropships every bot drop which makes it even less worthwhile.
Might as well eagle or orbital the chaff that drops down later
@@SeraphimFaithQuasar shoots drop ships down too if you hit the engine. And if I’m not wrong quasar is easily one of the best support weapons in the game
@@draymondGreen2 His point is that you're getting 3-5 dropships, and that Quasar will only take down one of em. Having the entire crew with Quasars can work, but there's opportunity cost to that because you're having everyone give up that slot. Better to smoke a dropship, then disengage while the debris prevents pursuit.
Statistics is one thing, but when comparing to when my friends run an anti drop-ship loadout or not makes a huge difference.
The 2 biggest off sets are pretty much destroying dropships carrying a tank (which i can confirm is always useless) and the glitches (negative) which imo are still beneficial.
1. As drop ships are destroyed, the weak chaff is pretty much guaranteed to be destroyed, removing the random stray bullets and rockets (and most importantly jump pack soldiers
2. The destroyed drop ships are extra cover and obstacles, meaning you get less bots firing on you and have them come at you slower. Even if they glitch inside the ship, becoming unkillable, they will still become immobile which makes it easy to avoid them
3. While devastators often seem to at best get damaged, chainsaw bots almost always get stuck - which is the greatest plus of them all. Aside from the flamer hulk, all boys move at you slowly while firing, allowing you to seek cover and reload. Chainsaw bots bring a completely different set of challenges and they require so much damage that you can't deal with them quick.
Overall, even if it doesn't kill as much as you want killing drop ships to do, it almost always does one thing - countering the main problem you will find yourself in in helldivers; the " never one problem" turning it into "one problem at a time"
As for ammo, while before i would say it was questionable, with the ship module to get full stratagem ammo back, you may as well use it. Bot drops are called in every 3.30 minutes on the clock (if always engaging) which is as much time as a supply drop. If you pick up ammo from points of interest then really you will always have three rockets (max) to spare
and yea, even if it did nothing, as you said it looks cool as hell so i don't even care. I just love it.
Taking down every dropship with a buddy is the peak gameplay 😁
Thanks for breaking down the outcomes. I personally don't enjoy using launchers on bots, but I'll definitely start bringing EATs for the rocket defense missions that are full of dropships.
Commando is really nice, it can kill gunships and factories
@@chandradefiant595wouldnt suggest commando for aircraft carriers as they take 2 shots too the engine
@@Saved2_447 true, but if no one else is dealing with them, the commando is a good jack of all trades option.
@@chandradefiant595 indeed
Commando + EAT and you can comfortably hold an entire flank at difficultly 7. Harder to do around 9’s towards the end and they’re better focused on heavies but still very useful and successful as long as you have a good team. Plus if you can drop the infantry ones early enough they don’t even get a chance to spawn.
You forgot outcome 5, two of the random teammates think they’re going to destroy 3 ships worth of enemies dropping in within 4 seconds and you didn’t realize they were standing right below and not only get surrounded by the surviving enemies, they’re also about to get turned into a pancake under a heavy ship because you wanted to bring anti air.
Sam site usually gets the jackpot, and they spaghettify.
Who says all the bots on it are "supposed to die"? I've never considered them surviving a glitch.
I mean, the very design of the drop ship is built around them being able to release from the ship when it crashes, it's an open belly so they can disconnect instantly.
Living bots being entangled with stuck aircraft and firing out of it is technically a separate issue, and not specific to drop ships. They get stuck in rocks, buildings, all kinds of stuff.
I agree. Usually the trooper and Striders die, but the physically tougher Devastators and up survive.
It's also a learning curve moment for players moving up into higher difficulties, where in lower difficulties shooting down dropships is a very effective strategy. At higher difficulties, you're wasting both precious AT shots at something that doesn't fight back as well as providing cover for the already tanky bots. Nothing worse than a trooper calling in another bot drop because they were standing behind the wreckage of a dropship.
i think they get it from the fact that the dropship explodes and can also crush/kill helldivers when falling on them
It's also like, who said it was an issue? Makes sense to me.
Ngl they surviving is lame.
Because they used to die every time. The they stopped doing that a few patches ago.
Side note, the drop ships have a damaged area under the engines even when they are taken down. Even if all bots survive there is a chance that they can get damaged or killed by the engines
My guess is factory strider is similar to tank where it does nothing or similar to hulk where it has so much hp its not effective. Or it could be if the drop ship is high enough it breaks its legs (one can wish)
I have only taken out a factory strider by shooting down the dropship carrying it ONCE. It was on a missile silo defense mission, while juggling quasar cannons, and super early into the drop sequence. I hit it before the dropship even started to slow down. The factory strider spun around in circles with the corpse of the dropship still attached. It looked goofy as all hell, crashing into the ground and then it made the noise that it makes when it dies and everything blew up. Given how glitchy this crap is, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a one-off occurrence. I've played over 400 hours of this game.
Would be cool to have a broken strider with only turret on top
what's the point of editing in subtitles if you're only gonna make it go one word at a time? makes things a little difficult to follow imo
Okay so I have another map question. Those giant holes. You know the ones that erupt when you throw the grenade in them? Does that actually change anything game-wise?
Can u elaborate please? Are you referring to the bugholes that are meant to be destroyed, or those random bugholes that seem to not have any relevance to the missions?
The random bugholes, bugs shouldn't come out of them but they look like it
@@saintwafflesi think he means the thermal vents on some planets
@@MassiveBunnspretty sure you can also find them on bot missions
So it's probably just a map detailing item
A stalker launched me directly into one of those across the map.
Twice.
The thing about "glitches (bad)" is that melee bots and, most notably, Hulks, cannot harm you if they are pinned underneath their dropship.
So even if you get the bad glitch, it may just be a good thing anyway.
Overall, it is definitely worth the risk, and if you get a bad glitch on Devastators, you can run to cover and they won't be able to pursue. You shouldn't really be staying in place for too long anyhow.
You have to , I repeat, HAVE TO drop the ship wile the enemy is still inside. Tank ships and strider ships aren’t worth shooting down, except to deal slight damage when the ship falls on top of them.
One thing not mentioned in the video is when the dropship lands on a teammate. dropships may come close to your fellow divers and shooting them down can put them in a big risk. you can usually survive the damage if it lands right next to you, so personally I'd rather have a dropship land on me then 5 devastators. But be aware this can kill your teammates.
I've never seen this lol
@saintwaffles I've been on the receiving end many times. Not that fun.
Also, that 20% of "something bad" happening might seem low. However, that "something bad" is SO bad that it outweighs all the good outcomes. Hulks, Rocket Devastators and Heavy Devastators having indestructible cover and shooting you non-stop is a terrible thing.
@@saintwaffles oh, this one's easy to see: stand right underneath it when you take the shot. Ask me how I know... 🤣
@@saintwaffles I have sent my helldiver to the memorials a few times doing this to myself!
happens especially when it starts falling kinda sideways and landing on me.
had a few teammates kill me with them too!
@@saintwaffles It definitely happens with Gunships... but with Dropships it's more likely a teammate will get stuck in/under the dropship and get killed that way.
If you can drop the ship in a good position even a bad glitch can be beneficial as it prevents them from moving. Drop the ship on the other side of a rock or down in a low spot and you can bypass them.
I'd say it's not worth it because it means carrying weapons that enable you to actually shoot down the drop ship.
The two big ones are the quaso-cannon, and the recoiless. Both are fine weapons, but generally aren't the best against the bots. The spear is better because it can take out tanks and hulks, but also fabricators, planes, cannon emplacements, and even walking factories. It can't take down drop ships, but it can pretty easily delete large targets as they fall off the ship.
Alternatively, you can take the auto cannon or the flak cannon. Both are really good at deleting the bots while they're still on the drop ship, basically using the drop ship as a backboard for AoE damage, while still being good at engaging a wide variety of bot targets outside of the drop ships.
Autocannon is mucho fun to shred the bots on the dropship, indeed. Some like taking out the ship, but I enjoy watching scrap metal rain down. 😈
If you can't shoot the ship down before the ship begins to deploy its units, you want to wait until the units have been on the ground for at least 1 second first. The units when dropped gain a damage resistance buff so they don't die from fall damage and the like, but the dropship death explosion counts for this buff, so if you're too early it will cause them to take minimal damage.
If you can shoot the dropship down while it's in transit, everything on it will die 100%, dropships come from a consistent direction every match so this can be a good idea to take note of and try to get a cheeky snipe on a Factory Strider dropship to prevent a huge problem coming down on top of you.
This is a good analysis. I've seen a lot of players complain about the "pinned under the wreck" scenario, but that leads to two other points. First, if they do get pinned underneath but you don't have to be in the area (e.g. you just destroyed an outpost which was the cause of the reinforcement) well then you can just leave without bothering to engage the trapped enemies, meaning this becomes a positive outcome. Second, if you have the ability to down a dropship but don't, then the enemies are going to land and engage you, so this failure/declination to down the dropship automatically becomes a negative outcome (i.e. it's guaranteed more enemies.)
It is no longer worth wasting ammo on them. They were patched a while back so that shooting them down doesnt kill the bots before they get dropped anymore. They used to die consistently when shooting them down before they were dropped. No longer. Why? Because no fun for us.
Still it's worth because you either trap them or they do not get deployed and "die"
From my personal experience of shooting as many of them down as I can, I've noticed a very strong pattern. If you wait as long as you can before shooting the dropship down (right before it leaves), it seems to be much more likely to kill the enemies it released underneath. I think there is some sort of invulnerability period between the enemies and the ship itself that wears off after a few seconds. Needs further testing, but since you are testing this subject already, that might be something to think about
You forgot scenarios
1. where you kill teammates because of the trajectory of the crash.
2. Where the dropped ship kills other units.
3. Dropped ships cause barriers to getting gear or getting to an objective.
4. Ships blowing up cause lagg
5. Ships don't always have difficult enemies
6. Ships crashing can help blow up objectives
I HATE when people shoot down dropships. Feels like the glitch 3 happens in games a lot more often than your data would suggest. Causes lots of situations where people will shoot down a ship and then wander off, and another diver comes along and gets blindsided by what they thought was just a piece of debris, that has a Heavy Devistator chilling in it. Also they always seem to land on teammates or called in sentries, destroying them or displacing the player who was positioned to deal with the army that would drop.
Rule of cool always wins, but it does get pretty old getting ready to two tap the Hulk that is dropping, only for the ship to land on me and hold me in place as he barbecue's me.
This shouldn't even be a question if the glitch wasn't there in the first place. It's been months since we had this glitch
Another thing that seems to influence the outcome is the moment when the carrier is destroyed. It seems most of the glitching and enemy surviving occurs if they are destroyed right around the drop-off time/animation. If they are destroyed in the trajectory to the flare, most units simply don't survive, even the bigger ones.
It's possible most of the glitching occurs at the time of some events in the drop-off logic that may give temporary invulnerability/make troops take reduced damage/the models are there but because they are inactive they do not have healthbars and are therefore killed regardless of health pool. It's something difficult to trace down that likely requires a lot more testing to confirm.
It varies in large part by timing and random chance. If you destroy it while its still in motion and the bots are firmly attached, its generally an instant kill on all carried bots.
If it's begun dropping the bots, instead the bots drop, and the dropship lands somewhere in the area, creating an explosion. Like all explosions, this has a damage falloff, so the impact depends on where the dropship lands; and there's geometry pieces that, if it gets stuck in, it creates the dreaded 'dropship is an invulnerable shield' glitch.
So... if you can get it before it starts the drop, go for it. If not, don't bother unless its an area where you can just keep moving. Even if they can shoot through the gunship it doesn't matter if they can't follow you, but if you're defending an objective that can be a menace.
On launch day, shooting down dropships used to kill all the bots inside, but after later patches, bots are immune to damage until they touch the ground
Could you tell me if they shrunk the hit box in the hulks eye??? It seems much more difficult to hit it and it seems smaller
Sorta. They didn't shrink the hulk eye, but apparently messed up a few scopes even worse meaning what you aim at isn't where your bullet goes
I've noticed with the auto cannon I can't hit the eye very consistently in 3rd person with the auto cannon but I can hit it consistently in first person, but a few weeks ago I could consistently land my shots to the eye in 3rd person 🤔 I was convinced I somehow got terrible with aim suddenly 😂😂
@@saintwaffles The guns/scopes in Helldivers 2 actually have bullet arcs, so distance changes where your shot hits vertically, because the guns are zeroed at two specific distances, where the bullet meets the aim point of the rifle during that arc.
Hence why it seems like the sights are off... they're actually working like real sights and most games don't do that.
@hariman7727 it's on their confirmed bug list they are not functioning how they intend them to
@@saintwaffles Huh. Interesting.
I appreciate the video quality, man. The bitrate is crisp as hell.
Thank you the power of a 4090 :D
From my experience, when a tank is being dropped in, wait for the dropship to release the tank, then shoot it down. The dropship landing on the tank does massive damage if not outright kills it whenever my friends and I do it that way
I'd personally prefer they just make the dropship kill whatever it lands on and things immediately under it. Would fix most of the issues.
My biggest takeaway was don't save my big shot for the tank ship. Apparently that's the opposite of what I should be doing, which I'm legit glad about because of the tank ship doing the big swoop up and down motion.
Tanks got glitched too, but very rare, and i saw them usually abnormally high, so maybe they have higher chance to got glitched when the drop ships ascend before drop them. And the wipe out result is pretty guaranteed by shooting down drop ships BEFORE their hooks that carry the bots fully appeared. If the hooks appeared, then the heavy armor mobs don't get killed.
As someone who plays rocket gal for their friend group, thank you for this! I always wind up stressing about hitting bot drops even with the glitches but seeing actual coverage about what happens and confirming it's valid to not bother with taking that shot is a huge weight off my mind. Subscribing!
Thank you! Love your pfp
I don't often carry a rocket, well, other than in the Patriot mech but that is a different story. Anyway, this game does a fantastic job at making the rockets feel important, and a clutch shot feels good to take out a big bot. 👍👍
the glitches are actually consistent. depends entirely on if the enemy unit has been "released" from the drop ship. so if you want best results shoot it down as soon as possible, or to be specific before the dropships does that final little rise after slowing down
kinda want to continue this discussion! with harder and harder enemies I feel like if the shooting down the bot drop properly killed the enemies instead of bugging out it would make call-ins a lot more manageable on higher difficulties.
I hope it's something they address soon
Yes it's likely a glitch, but to me it kinda adds a level of realism in a way where in a crash scenario you wouldn't be guaranteed to kill all aboard. I still see it was a net win most of the time if for no reason than it slows them down most of the time.
Thank you for referencing the rule of cool. Sometimes I do super non-optimal things because it'll look EPIC
I think in this game more than others, doing cool stuff is the game! Sure we can beat the mission, but can we do it in style?
Yeah, it helps the war effort either way. Drop the difficulty down a tad to test out something cool, and report the findings to the Ministry of Truth or another appropriate ministry. ✌️✌️
Before the first railgun rework I found it was consistently killing everything the dropship was carrying.
i think on lower difficulties, based on those odds it's worth it to shoot down the dropships. But on higher difficulties or defense missions like high value artifacts, pretty much any situation where there are lots of dropships coming in, it becomes a lot less worth it. because one destroyed dropship (which on high diff probably has a tank or hulk) will then provide cover on the ground for the other 4 dropships worth of troops or however many there are. because your team probably doesnt have the volume of fire to take down all or even most of the dropships, it becomes less worth it than just using your support weapon on the actual enemies
You shouldn't have to rely on a bug or a glitch being the decisive factor in whether or not doing something as tactically sound as shooting down a dropship is beneficial.
that depends
if you shoot the dropship before it start opening the hatch door, everyone inside will die. this with the exception of AT-AT.
Tanks can die too if you can shoot it down before it reach the drop zone, BEFORE it reached the dropzone mean the dropship still flying fast, you need a good lead to actually hit the engine
shooting dropship to be rewarding is not an easy tasks as they're quite fast and the fastest weapon can do that is Recoilless rifle with animation cancel or assisted reload.
Saw a comment on another video about there being different phases of the bot drop (i.e. flying in, red lights on, dropping, flying away) and destroying them in these different phases have vastly different outcomes.
The research we need from the Ministry of Science
I'd say yes it can be helpful because sometimes it'll kill some bots but it does also make some cover between you and the bots that dropped
I haven't done deliberate testing the way you have, but my experience has been the inverse - most of the time, nothing happens except wasting a shot from your support weapon.
The only time I've ever seen the incoming bit army get destroyed with the dropship is when it gets taken down by the SAM site or an Auto cannon sentry 😕
*WHEN* you blow up the drop ship has a huge effect on the outcomes from what I've seen
This was a loooong time ago, so I don't think it is the case anymore. But I remember doing this during Eradicate missions, thinking I was helping, but any kills gotten from taking down the dropships did not count towards the objective. Maybe it's fixed now, but that's just another factor to consider for that one mission type
This tracks with my own experience. It's helpful most of the time and satisfying all the time. Typical outcome for me is making a big obstruction that wastes the bots time as they have to path around it looking for LOS.
I think what determines whether an enemy gets stuck in the air (good glitch) is whether they're still connected to the ship when it goes down
Imo it is only worth to shoot it if you have a Quazzar, cuz it's easier, has infinite ammo and reloads by itself so you can run away in case they don't die and you'll won't need to stop to reload it.
When i still used to play i got *really* good at taking them out with an EAT-IT. At worst waste a single use rocket I'll get back in about 40 seconds, and at best i dust an entire reinforcement squad before they even have a chance to shoot back. If you've got the chance, i figure you should always take the shot
I have only ever had a handful of times when option 2 happened. I was surprised you included it. I wonder if there is some factor that was influencing how you got it so much. I get option 1 the most often, followed by option 3, then option 4 very occasionally, and then option 2 so rarely as to not be worth mentioning
Wonderful topic for a deep dive, thanks
you can one shot the factory strider if you kill the dropship while its still flying to its position, you can also kill, factories, detector tower, stratagem jammer ect with a ship falling on them
When you shoot down a dropship, you've cost the automatons not only the dropship, but all the resources that went into making it, and all the resources it'll take to replace it. Eveey bit matters.
The economic war against the bots may be difficult, but we can do it!
I wish Arrowhead would speak on this and what is supposed to happen and that they’re working on fixing it.
Is it worth it?: No
Is it fun?: Yes.
I feel that the timing for a perfect shot is a decent challenge
Since some of the recent patches, the bot drops seem to calculate better damage. I find it better off to do on the Helm's Deep defense and eradicates over much else.
Its dope AF.
Also I get credit for a lot of kills. So its effective.
I was very much judging the game skill shown up until the humble admission of being not the best. Now it holds no ground in my opinion, which is that if you can't hit the dropship before it stops moving, then don't shoot it at all. Any enemies being stuck due to a dropship crash, no matter the state or position they're in, is an undesirable outcome. Rule of Cool is a strong counter arguement that I can't ignore though.
I was juggling a level 9 solo while having endless swarms coming at me cause of the eye. I was trying lol. I'm going to go back in for some more tests but I think I'll change out the rr for either eats, or a quasar. Or get a squad to help support
I shot down a dropship and somehow managed to destroy the tank within it when I did. What happened was the tank blew up midair and the wreckage of it just.. Floated in the sky instead of being dropped.
Bro's using confirmation bias. Read a few comments and a guy literally spelled out why it sucks and you told him "nuh-uh, never happens to me." I have had them dropped on me and tons of times where it's indestructible cover. Also you forgot to factor in whether you should bring another support weapon like the spear or whatever. Any time i see a quasar on bots i just see it as more bots ill have to take out myself. That being said, some valuable data is that having 1 person taking out the trooper or strider dropships is definately worth cause even if they survive they always run out of the cover, anything devastators or up it's definitely not worth it.
Judging by your footage it looks like it only hurts them if they are dropped before shooting the ship down. This would align with me a lot because I used to use quasar and I was really good at timing it to shoot the moment the dropship arrived, and it would not kill anything. Its probably that it will just release them upon hitting the ground instead, and if you destroy the dropship after they are dropped, it could land on them and explode when they are identified by the game as enemies. Still, the dropship does not fall perfectly straight all the time so it really could be tied to glitches or you won't get many if any kills because it veered away from the troops.
It's so hard to judge anything when we have to factor in how janky the engine is and how many there are lol
would be nice seeing WHEN you took them down. What stage of flight / drop off you took them down, and what resuults each stage seeemed to get.
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Nice video mate, thanks for doing this work in collecting and sharing the data!
It’s cool. So yea, it’s worth it
Do not really care, its fun in all honesty
and sometimes bots bug out
I think having the enemy be stuck under the dropship is a win most of the time since you can just move so they are harmless.
Ita worth it, just don't fall for the rocket automaton hiding in the ship, got me once lol
Your logic is fairly on point, but i think you missed something crucial. Now, I heard you mention this, but you did not include it in your 4 criteria to determine if you should take the shot or not:
HOW devastating is it if a bad glitch happens. Like I said, you did mention this. But it sounded like it was excluded from the decision making process. I imagine this is likely due to the difficulty to quantify the issue. But, in my opinion, if I have a 20% chance per drop to cause a glitch that will be incredibly frustrating and defeating (rocket Devs shooting and stuck under ship for example), that's a fairly high chance it will happen AND will absolutely enrage me and the other players. That right there makes it not worth it. Yes it looks cool. Yes there is a high chance of it working out in your favor for that one drop. But the more ships that get called in, the more opportunities for the bad glitch to happen. Having studied statistics and probabilities, I can tell you that the 20% chance you mentioned only applies if it's a one-time event. The probability of the glitch occurring grows MUCH larger the more often you have the opportunity to trigger it.
Summary:
1) the negative glitch is much worse than the benefits from the positive outcomes,
2) the negative glitch is far more likely to occur the more often you shoot down ships in the same match.
I understand if making the subtitle in youtube shorts like this because of the brainrots. But making subtitle like this to a 10 minutes video is pepega imo.
Yeah it’s pretty damn stupid
I'll bet you anything the times they survive and only need 1 hit is because of the same momentum glitch the Quasar Canon has.
If they are moving 'backwards' they take like 1 less damage and that's why they survive.
would you destroy an enemy troop transport (like a Super Sea Stallion) during them rappling down while they hover in air, after they did or while they’re still in the transport? it’s kind of a weird justification, because the dropship has a bigger physical model, but the same is kind of true for dropships. because their main body apparently has no collision and falls quicker than the bots it drops, these land on top of it (unharmed) if you shoot them during the drop. if you shoot them after the drop, you can damage them if they land on them. this is difficult, because the animation takes time, the dropshift moves dependent on the direction of the missing engine while falling and most of their dropshave moved aswell. the best way to deal with them, then, is to shoot them in the approack. I don’t have consistent data, but the only time I got x11 or the like is from shooting them down that way. it requires pre-aim and is a very skillfull shot, but my theory is that the troops carried aren’t either spawned in or detached before they stop moving and show the red light. it is for this reason that I shoot dropships only in their approach, when they are still horizontally moving. a single GR-8 weapon can shoot down the first and third one usually, but with multiple people shoot or 1 duo doing team-reload, it can shoot them all down in this critical timeframe (between the 60kph mode and the initialization of the drop), which is why I always try to play recoilless rifle team reload when possible (otherwise carrying the supply pack for the team, because I like playing as support, no one else does it usually and I dislike lacking ammo, which usually one or two of the 4 packs deal with sufficiently)
this is a long text, but like with rocket devstators not leading their shots, thus being able to reliably dodge direct hits by moving perpendicular (love that word) to them, it’s a core-ish, unexplained mechanic that’s pretty disappointing if not understood, and it’s also frustrating to explain it every time, even to elitist lvl 120 which don’t under it and thus complain about the salleged unfairness of rockets or the alleged uselessness of taking down dropships
I was born part AA gun, so you can bet the moment I see anything flying im whipping out my kaboom log.
Theres also scenarios (very rare but annoying) where the enemies dont die and theyre under the geography and can still shoot out from solid hills and the floor
I just want to know WHERE I'm supposed to hit the drop ship. The first time I nailed one with my spear I got a jackpot but the next three times the dropship survived.
Idk why this is even a question.... You shoot the ship... It falls... Did they die?... NO... no they didn't
No, not anymore. They used to kill everything on the troop carrier but that was too fun and no longer happens. Now you end up giving them cover and create an obstacle for your team.
Still going to drop 2 380s on the drop anyways
What about shooting down dropship just after it drops the troops?
Subtitles in this style are worse than not having any at all.
I agree, but every video that has annoying subtitles has more engagement, views, and view time. So....they must work to some degree
@@saintwaffles Not from me. Goodbye.
Alright then?
man, i want to be nice... i was waiting for a tldr answer somewhere in there where we end up with a conclusion. you pulled out percentages out of the butt from the idea of science then didn't present recorded data. then you went on a rant about the why would this be good or bad and it's like "we know that's why we are asking the question". like we know there's opportunity costs in load outs, where if it's easy for your squad to deal with heavies then
Answer: yes, you significantly degrade the incoming enemies coming in with a single trigger pull either killing them or damaging them. if they had reached the ground unimpeded the result is that they require significantly more expenditure of time or resources.
Process: two parts; control is bot drops that are unimpeded, counting the number of enemies that are dropped and must be dealt with. experiment bot drops where enemies are shot down with heavy weapons counting the number of enemies that survive and must be dealt with
Analysis: We can consider what the composition of a bot drop tends to be, with most being # troopers, # devastators, # hulks, # factory striders. IF you can take down a factory strider while it is in transit, you're a god gamer, but there are situations upon which we can luck out, such as while playing with partner where one is baiting a Detector Tower, while a partner with a spear is shooting down incoming bot drops with a spear from the other side of the map or we are working with a SAM site that is intercepting said bot drops.
Conclusion drawn from the difference of control vs experiment, the number of enemies killed by methodology yielded a reduction by X in time Y
The video seemed to provide some experience and rough info that ought help inspire the Helldivers who are trying out bots to experiment themselves. It might not make it into the Scientific Journal of Super Earth Armed Forces, but a starting point for folks to come up with what they do in a dropship situation.
My takeaway is similar to what I have always done. Shred the bots with autocannon, HMG emplacement, or other weapon of choice while they are bunched up. No need for any guesswork if the destroyed dropship was overall effective, and I am bringing along weaponry suited for shredding patrols and those times dropships are not downed by fellow Helldivers. 👍👍
it is, since u dmg the bots itself, a good trrick is timming the impact, I feel like hitting it before dropping the bots does more dmg
almost never seen someone shoot down a dropship BEFORE its dropping troops off. almost exclusively, my teammates shoot them down during or after. Its so annoying imo bc im trying to target the clusters with my grenades or MG and my teammates just dropped an indestructible barrier right on top of them :(
I recommend not shooting them down, i dont see the worth in it.
Bingo. Especially in higher difficulties, a consistent strategy is easy and effective.
What does the data say? The data say Arrowhead needs to fix this and the mountain of other quality of life issues so we don’t have to watch a video dissecting how often a glitch appears in order to play the game.
I still play, and enjoy, and am excited for new content coming in August but I am largely an exception and I’d much, much rather have the game be welcoming and intuitive to new players rather than inscrutable and frustrating.
I just heard about their fix for kick briefing and am really nervous that it's gonna break the game really bad based on their track record
I don’t even shoot at drop ships for killing the enemies 90% of the time. Usually I just do it to say F off to the bots lmao
it suppose to come crashing down and crush the bot it just drop but since they have spagheti code it just doesn't work
The bottom text going one word at a time over a 10 minute video is ridiculous holy cow
It does its job unfortunately which is why I add it
@@saintwaffles curious what job you think it's doing? I use youtube subtitles, when I want the text
My analytics show that when I use annoying subtitles I get more watch time, and more engagement
i miss when the game came out and the dropship falling would explode and kill whatevers under it
I like to play aggressive and in the bots faces. Vitality booster, heavy amour, supply backpack and 30+ stimmies without dying (much). So when I die coz some drops a drop ship on my head (often from across the map), it makes me sad.
u guys do that for the kills?, i thought it just looks cool doing that