Watching the events from Portugal have to say it is impressive on the American 'can do' mentalilty on removing the debris and opening the canal in such short time. A monumental task and great credit to all those involved.
If this had happened in Portugal, the channel would still be blocked, the port would still be closed and the ship would be unable to move. There would be strikes, protests and civil strife. Nothing would get done because most Portuguese yell, holler, talk loudly and talk too fast. Nobody would be able to understand anybody, so nothing would get done. Plus most of the Portuguese working on the project would always show up to work late and require a mid-day nap, further delaying the project. Portugal needs another Salazar!
It's moments like these that make the rest of American life challenging. The crews, equipment and infrastructure that showed up the next day weren't just sitting around waiting for something to happen. They showed up because priorities and let's be honest, profit. Also damn impressive in an everyday ordinary sense is NTSB combing through miles of electrical to find the likely one bad connection. The problem I have with our "can do" is when we don't.
But the American taxpayer gets stuck erecting a replacement bridge and there are numerous people and companies adversely affected by the DALI, all of which will end up costing BILLIONS. The DALI needs to be seized and sold as partial payment.
Low voltage damage is permanent, relays and switches, junction blocks and the wires too, everything works ten times as hard and can fail after correct voltage is restored.
What the NTSB should investigate why there were no protective fenders around the supports.....This bridge was built under extreme cost constraints and structures to protect the supports from collision were omitted as a cost saving measure. Look at other bridges and you will see that most have robust reinforced concrete protective structures incorporated to protect the bridge.
you can thank the gop who votes against infrastructure bills constantly. they take credit gor when these bills pass anyway and gives money to their district. but they vote against these kinds of things constantly
@@Winston-lf7sb Post a direct connection to that bridge rather than random blaming. This is a specific incident with a specific history. When did a GOP vote affect the construction of that bridge in a manner to prohibit fenders?
@@Comm0ut lol ok bubba. how about we look at : On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 3684, As Amended ) H.R.3684 - Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act Democratic 219 yes Republican 2 yes 201 no so yeah. facted failed troll.
Thanks for update. 😮 interested in this and sad for ur viewers that were impacted by collapse. Wonderful how much u got done to repair damage and now i pray ur new bridge will be smooth sailing (pun intended) ❤ from south africa
I read somewhere there are some 25 proposed amendments ranging from bike lanes, artsy twinkling lights to roads and other projects outside of Maryland. With many a spending project, it is a given both sides of the aisle will propose pork projects. This needs to be a clean bridge only funding.
And the Sunshine Skyway bridge was built after a freighter knocked down the previous bridge, in a worse disaster. On the morning of May 9, 1980, the freighter MV Summit Venture collided with a support pier near the center of the old bridge during a sudden squall, resulting in the catastrophic failure of the southbound roadway and the deaths of 35 people when several vehicles, including a Greyhound bus, plunged into Tampa Bay.
@@cpovey1 True that, I lived in St. Petersburg when that happened. I have been over both bridges. I have even been overnight fishing off the old bridge they made into a fishing pier. I still live in the area.❤️
@@ES-bl1wy I used to come to Pinellas several times a year on business, and remember seeing just the single old bridge with just one lane each way. I moved to Clearwater in 1990, and the bridge had opened not long before I moved. I recently moved to Gainesville to escape the insurance insanity in the Tampa Bay area.
ALSO, the company who owns the ship is responsible for the damages once the responsibility is found by the NTSB!! NOT the city, county, or state or the federal government... in other words, our taxes
I presume it takes time to get the money out of the insurance / Dali's owners and new bridge needs to be made as soon as possible, thus the government has to fund the project with the aim to receive as much as possible when sorted.
The City is suing the Ship Owners and operators, alleging their crew was incompetent, unqualified, and the vessel unseaworthy, possibly just to make a few political types feel food. If successful they'll invalidate the Ship's insurance, and they'll then have to attempt to recover any compensation through the Singaporean courts, from an entity with a hundred or two million in assets, before liabilities, which will cost a few tax dollars to peruse, and possibly result in a payout which is less than the legal costs. Throw in the possibility of a class action, for wrongful imprisonment, by the crew being held in Baltimore, and i suspect many a local tax payer will be wishing they spent a few tens of million on a series of Dolphins to protect the bridges, around the harbour.
@@AndrewRoberts11 Realize, when the bridge was built 47 years ago, the channel was 30 feet deep. The idea of a 110,000 ton ship coming here was never considered.
@@1972Ray Though they were happy to service ships larger than the 20,000 tonne vessels, without first paying for any remedial / precautionary dolphins to be sunk around the bridges. Suspect many a tax payer will be seeing their taxes go up.
Thats been done to death. Of course in hindsight, but 47 years and thousands of ships passing brings complacency. Also, they didn't look 47 years into the future. When the bridge was built, the channel was only 30 feet deep, and the ships that allowed were much smaller. 110,000 ton ships were not a consideration.
There was only one dolphin in place, which actually guided the ship into the bridge pier and there was no reef around the piers at all. I though bridge Engineers learned that lesson when the Summit Venture knocked down the Skyway Bridge, long ago. The new Skyway has lots more protection and you better believe those dolphins have scars on them from sloppy piloting!
@@1972Ray After the Skyway Bridge incident, the State of Florida spent the next twenty years retrofitting all Florida's bridges with more dolphins and reefs, as they could afford it. Why didn't Maryland? It wasn't a matter of looking into the future but into the past!
The use of undervoltage trips is questionable. For coordinated tripping all circuits must remain connected so that system power loss is minimized. With an under-voltage trip the circuit is cleared, with power lost everywhere. There is the possibility that high resistance grounding can be used to provide alarms instead of tripping on ground faults, but a knowledgeable electrical group is needed. Differential relaying can be used to detect an isolate faults, but this adds cost to the electrical system. Questioning junction devices is questionable.
Electrical connections on a vessel used on salt water are typically not sealed well enough to resist the inevitable corrosion that occurs. Air conditioning slows down this deterioration process , but does not eliminate it.
A friend of mine who is a sound engineer was on a cruise ship some time ago. They were having problems with their outdoor sound system for ages. The waterproof tweeters were stuck forever because of salt deposits. Humidity, traffic jams, salt deposits - I don't think that's out of the question. I'm definitely on tenterhooks for the NTSB report. Undervoltage system protection - hmm - we'll see
I've got some where around 20 years as Chief Electrician on ships. Many more, installing and modifing marine electrical systems. They are specially designed for the environment they operate in. You don't use shore side types of electrical equipment.
Of course congress doesn’t want to fund the replacement. It was Maryland’s cheap lazy attitude that prevented them from installing sufficient dolphin upgrades to protect the original bridge. It wasn’t the national government’s fault, so it’s not their job to fund it.
I wonder if anyone here in the Commentsection has seen a Curcuitcabinet up Close.... These Type of Connectors are a Standard all over the Wolrd, the Spring Mechanism is known to be Maintenance free and is quicker to assembly. It is also a Connector which is rated for maximum 500V and very little Currrent (16Amps) and has therefore no direct Connection to the Propulsionsystem. It may be Part of a Control Cuircuit between Sensor and PLC. BUT, if one broken Wire, Connector, Sensor can Blackout your entire Ship, than you have some serious Design Issues! The same Control Equipment which is Martime rated, is used in other Critical Appliances, but only if correctly designed. I bet the Ship builder has made some Safety Analyzes and came to the Conclusion that the Risk of an Blackout near Port is so low that that Sensor dont needed to be Redundant. So definetly not the Fault of a Connector.
Man made complex electrical or mechanical devices fail from time to time. It happens! I continue to believe that because of the increasing size and mass of ships, rules should have been changed long ago and tugs should have been required for large ships going in and out of that port. I just wonder how many other bridges are at risk where large ships could do the same thing. I feel so sorry for those six families that lost loved ones! This could have been much worse had they not stopped traffic in time.
This is a key infrastructure roadway.. spend the money and design a bridge that puts ZERO supports in the water and make it very tall to open up the full potential of the BALTIMORE HARBOR and Docks
The NTSB is pretty much the only gov't entity that is trustworthy still (for the most part) look em up kids, they don't eff around and they don't make mistakes, good job for ya someday.
Just a thought. My center speaker stopped working, We had a power outage for 30 seconds when it came back the speaker was broke. Reminded me off some old advice from the early days of computers. Always check your chips and connections. Never forget chip creep.
if you would just look north to detroit there is the tam you need right there the expert irin workers are just about done their part on the gordy howe bridge and there you have what you need
Interesting, the Key bridge will be either repaired, modified, or a new bridge in 4 years, but we at Solomons have been requesting the TJ bridge to be replaced for over a decade now. It’s old and has been modified by adding large steel bolts and bands around each of the pillars to keep it from collapsing. It’s all political and profit related.
Never, they have decalred general average, thus they are only on the hook for like $110 Million to be split up among everyone who had cargo on the ship.
@@EricDKaufman that sucks for the people with cargo. i had a break bulk shipment in dec go to baltimore . very heavy machinery parts from china. it would super suck to suddenly be hit with a huge extra cost if that ship had done this.
Murphy's law section 3 subsection II . Murphy's law is a very large document. Another section: when are you most likely to misplace your keys? When you're in a hurry.
Probably when they changed the prop speed to slow the ship down as it approached the bridge, that would have changed the current flow and may even have thrown a breaker, seeing as they were weak anyway. So sad those Workers had to die because of a cheap maintenance budget, but that always seems to be the case, it's a toss-up between keeping a ship in tip-top shape and making a reasonable profit, with the lives of the Sailors and other workers in the balance.
We can’t wait years for the lawsuits to play out. The government fronts the money to build the bridge now and collects as much as possible from insurance and the shipping company over the next few years.
Contractor proposal by the end of the summer. 4 years to build the bridge. Make a call to the Army Corps of Engineers. They’ll have it done before July 1st.
FUN FACT: The Empire State Building, standing 102 stories tall, was built 94 years ago in 1 year and 45 days. They say it's going to take 4 years to build bridge.
FUN FACT: 5 people died building the Empire State Building, and countless injured. It took 12 years to build the Brooklyn Bridge and an estimated 27 workers died. The Gordie Howe bridge is taking over 6 years to build, it also spans 1.6 miles, like the Francis Scott Key Bridge. Gordie Howe construction started in 2018, it's not finished yet. ThEy SaY iT's GoInG tO tAke 4 yEarS.
Yes, it was built in a year in 45 days. How long did it take to design the building before they started? When did they start fabricating the steel before they started. By the way, after the building was up, they had to fit all the floors. People didn’t start moving in at a year and 46 days. So you made up a ridiculous example by only including part of the process of creating a new building.
i don’t think congress ought to commit to funding it. Is there not going to be a ton of litigation and lawsuits and insurance settlements or something coming down from this? Unfortunately, I think all that stuff has to get ironed out first because if I’m guessing, and I am, I’m guessing they might try to assign litigational legal liability and financial damages to the ship’s owner. As they should. As the judge and jury definitely should. Well that is my opinion anyway. But yah that whole process is going to take even longer than the four years to build the bridge because… welp… lawyers are necessary. And alas, the lawyers make sure that they get paid too for all of the work that they to get people’s lawsuit money to them. Yep. Gonna be a long long time.
Why? Congress is funding infrastructure projects all over the US, many far less important than this. Let the litigation go forward, any monies as a result go back to Treasury at least that way it can get started/finished sooner. The law suits will go on for years and years.
This is IS infrastructure used by US citizens. The cost will be a tiny fraction of what we've sent to Ukraine or Gaza. This new bridge is the Connotationally correct use of tax dollars. People complained about US money being used must have no idea of how much the Government sends overseas.
Profit before lives the operating method of all big business, then the government minimises what the at fault party has to pay in penalties because the taxpayer will pick up that bill.
Our government should not be responsible to pay and replace the bridge. I think the ship's insurance should pay up. We all know it's the ship that caused the Franklin Scott Key bridge to collapse. That's why you have insurance and Anything that the insurance company doesn't pay it's up to the company of the ship's to pay. Why should the tax payers or the State of Maryland have to foot the bill?
When do you want the bridge replaced, in 4 years or more than 10? The bridge was and will be an important part of our national infrastructure. Sooner is much better for everyone.
That’s interesting because you could be right. But when you’re absolutely wrong, you’re going to pretend you never said this or come up with some other rationalization about why you really weren’t wrong.
Was the terminal block used with rigid cables or with flexible cables? There is always movement and vibration in a vessel. There should be flexible cables. But not every terminal block is designed for flexible cables.
It doesnt matter in this Case. If a Ship occures a total Blackout because of one failed Connector, then the System has Flaws by Design. You have calculate the Risks of every possible Failure and counter act it with redundancys if necessary
@@tombeck2792 Pilots never helm a vessel. Captain always has control, he just normally shuts up and lets the pilot do the work. Unless it is a military vessel, and then the captain of the vessel will slap down a pilot in a heart beat.
Negligence or not following federally mandated laws, safety regulations and protocol are indeed criminal when innocent lives are taken and billions of dollars of damages/lost revenue have taken place. Only in America 90 days since this 100% preventable catastrophic incident happened, we STILL don't have the conclusinary investigative report telling us who/why is responsible. Yet they tow the evidence with crew to a new home. When does America get some honest factual answers?
No, the whole things needs to be rebuilt. in order to make this properly safe, which the old bridge wasn't, everything need to be rebuilt to support the new structure. It will be a completely different design
@@johaneaDoes the Jones Act have a clause for damaged vessels? if not, then they have a point. It is cargo going from one US port to another US port. Of course, I would never think they would/could inforced the Jones act on something like this. It is fairly obvious this is extreme circumstances.
@@EricDKaufman That idiotic act states following. A foreign vessel is allowed to call a port in America coming from a foreign port. However, same idiotic act also forbid foreign vessels to operate as costal vessels calling American ports. There must always be a foreign port between two American ports. If not, America would be as isolated as North Korea because there are not enough American ships and even worse, crew.
Are you joking? What they are doing to clean up the mess is already an amazing feat. Incredibly fast and a testament to cooperation. Building a new bridge will take years for the best and fastest.
they should be putting in a tunnel scrap the bridge. the bridge shouldn't been in place in the first place the tunnel would been safer and allowed this place to have larger ships come in if needed.
Tugs are not used here (or were not used here) because it's a straight shot to the bay. There's already two tunnels. The bridge serves as a route for Haz Mats, and propane.
Singapore owned ship, separate Singapore ship operator. Ship flagged in Singapore. The owner company and operator should be banned from all US ports until full restitution is made.
This is such BS!!! It took more than a few brief moments for the ship to hit the bridge!! The ship wasn't lined up properly to approach the bridge. It SHOULD have been lined up directly in the middle of the span. A brief couple of seconds black out would not have caused the ship's path to shift so far in such a brief amount of time. 😵💫🤔😡🤬
The Connector Show in the Video is made by Phoenix or Wago. Two known and trusted Brands arround the World. But yeah, if it fits your Mindset better, than yes blame the Chinese...
@@ammo2222 What's your problem bud? I can comment as I wish. They probably have lots of knock off poor quality parts installed and the investigation will show this.
The Vessel was built in South Korea not China... All Systems in such Ships need to be Maritime Certified in Order to pass Inspection. These Certified Parts come with Datasheets and all other necessary Documentation for proper Installation and Use. And yes of course you can Comment as you want, but i have a little Expertise in industrial Control Systems and the Calculation of redundancies for those, so i will hold against a wrong Statement.
Why the hell should the congress fund the replacement bridge with taxpayers money? They need to go after the shipping company and their insurance company. They caused the problem why should the taxpayers be on the hook?
The city will have to pay a part as they didn't build the proper defenses for the columns as most bridge has. The rest of the money will be divided between insurance, owner, the ship Co. Etc.
This falls under Maritime law which is archaic and slow, with many individual and separate issues to be decided before it gets settled completely. 8- 10 years is a common timeframe for things like this. We can't wait that long to get the bridge reopened.
Watching the events from Portugal have to say it is impressive on the American 'can do' mentalilty on removing the debris and opening the canal in such short time. A monumental task and great credit to all those involved.
If this had happened in Portugal, the channel would still be blocked, the port would still be closed and the ship would be unable to move. There would be strikes, protests and civil strife. Nothing would get done because most Portuguese yell, holler, talk loudly and talk too fast. Nobody would be able to understand anybody, so nothing would get done. Plus most of the Portuguese working on the project would always show up to work late and require a mid-day nap, further delaying the project. Portugal needs another Salazar!
That’s very kind of you
It's moments like these that make the rest of American life challenging. The crews, equipment and infrastructure that showed up the next day weren't just sitting around waiting for something to happen. They showed up because priorities and let's be honest, profit. Also damn impressive in an everyday ordinary sense is NTSB combing through miles of electrical to find the likely one bad connection. The problem I have with our "can do" is when we don't.
@@Вивсівідстій Happy now that you got that off your chest? Have any other productive comments whilst you are at it? 😉
But the American taxpayer gets stuck erecting a replacement bridge and there are numerous people and companies adversely affected by the DALI, all of which will end up costing BILLIONS. The DALI needs to be seized and sold as partial payment.
That terminal block is a few cents when bought in bulk, it is very common in control systems.
Low voltage damage is permanent, relays and switches, junction blocks and the wires too, everything works ten times as hard and can fail after correct voltage is restored.
What the NTSB should investigate why there were no protective fenders around the supports.....This bridge was built under extreme cost constraints and structures to protect the supports from collision were omitted as a cost saving measure. Look at other bridges and you will see that most have robust reinforced concrete protective structures incorporated to protect the bridge.
Exactly. Plus, any bridges that are at risk that do not have the protective buffer should be updated. That would be way too much like right though.
you can thank the gop who votes against infrastructure bills constantly.
they take credit gor when these bills pass anyway and gives money to their district.
but they vote against these kinds of things constantly
@@Winston-lf7sb Post a direct connection to that bridge rather than random blaming. This is a specific incident with a specific history. When did a GOP vote affect the construction of that bridge in a manner to prohibit fenders?
@@Comm0ut lol ok bubba. how about we look at :
On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 3684, As Amended ) H.R.3684 - Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
Democratic 219 yes
Republican 2 yes 201 no
so yeah.
facted failed troll.
@@Comm0ut next time you try and outsmart some one remember.. Maga is just another word for short bus.
and fascism
Thanks for update. 😮 interested in this and sad for ur viewers that were impacted by collapse. Wonderful how much u got done to repair damage and now i pray ur new bridge will be smooth sailing (pun intended) ❤ from south africa
Lets just hope the Greenies don't take over the conversation
related to replacing the bridge.....................
I read somewhere there are some 25 proposed amendments ranging from bike lanes, artsy twinkling lights to roads and other projects outside of Maryland. With many a spending project, it is a given both sides of the aisle will propose pork projects. This needs to be a clean bridge only funding.
New Bridge looks like the Skyway Bridge in St. Petersburg FL to Sarasota.
That would be a cable stay type of bridge. There is one crossing from SC, into Savannah, GA, which I drove over several weeks ago.
And the Sunshine Skyway bridge was built after a freighter knocked down the previous bridge, in a worse disaster. On the morning of May 9, 1980, the freighter MV Summit Venture collided with a support pier near the center of the old bridge during a sudden squall, resulting in the catastrophic failure of the southbound roadway and the deaths of 35 people when several vehicles, including a Greyhound bus, plunged into Tampa Bay.
@@cpovey1 True that, I lived in St. Petersburg when that happened. I have been over both bridges. I have even been overnight fishing off the old bridge they made into a fishing pier. I still live in the area.❤️
@@ES-bl1wy I used to come to Pinellas several times a year on business, and remember seeing just the single old bridge with just one lane each way. I moved to Clearwater in 1990, and the bridge had opened not long before I moved. I recently moved to Gainesville to escape the insurance insanity in the Tampa Bay area.
ALSO, the company who owns the ship is responsible for the damages once the responsibility is found by the NTSB!! NOT the city, county, or state or the federal government... in other words, our taxes
I presume it takes time to get the money out of the insurance / Dali's owners and new bridge needs to be made as soon as possible, thus the government has to fund the project with the aim to receive as much as possible when sorted.
Maritime law is archaic and slow. It could easily be ten years before everything is settled. We can't wait that long to rebuild the bridge.
The City is suing the Ship Owners and operators, alleging their crew was incompetent, unqualified, and the vessel unseaworthy, possibly just to make a few political types feel food. If successful they'll invalidate the Ship's insurance, and they'll then have to attempt to recover any compensation through the Singaporean courts, from an entity with a hundred or two million in assets, before liabilities, which will cost a few tax dollars to peruse, and possibly result in a payout which is less than the legal costs. Throw in the possibility of a class action, for wrongful imprisonment, by the crew being held in Baltimore, and i suspect many a local tax payer will be wishing they spent a few tens of million on a series of Dolphins to protect the bridges, around the harbour.
@@AndrewRoberts11 Realize, when the bridge was built 47 years ago, the channel was 30 feet deep. The idea of a 110,000 ton ship coming here was never considered.
@@1972Ray Though they were happy to service ships larger than the 20,000 tonne vessels, without first paying for any remedial / precautionary dolphins to be sunk around the bridges. Suspect many a tax payer will be seeing their taxes go up.
Zero protection for the bridge supports seems like the obvious fault.
Thats been done to death. Of course in hindsight, but 47 years and thousands of ships passing brings complacency. Also, they didn't look 47 years into the future. When the bridge was built, the channel was only 30 feet deep, and the ships that allowed were much smaller. 110,000 ton ships were not a consideration.
There was only one dolphin in place, which actually guided the ship into the bridge pier and there was no reef around the piers at all. I though bridge Engineers learned that lesson when the Summit Venture knocked down the Skyway Bridge, long ago. The new Skyway has lots more protection and you better believe those dolphins have scars on them from sloppy piloting!
@@1972Ray After the Skyway Bridge incident, the State of Florida spent the next twenty years retrofitting all Florida's bridges with more dolphins and reefs, as they could afford it. Why didn't Maryland? It wasn't a matter of looking into the future but into the past!
...that plus a giant frikkin' ship hitting them at almost 8 Knots.
@@fredwood1490 if you look at the design of the bridge, you get why: not enough space. The bridge simply was never designed for these huge ships.
“Causing it to c’lapse.”
Savin’ them syllables! ;)
The use of undervoltage trips is questionable. For coordinated tripping all circuits must remain connected so that system power loss is minimized. With an under-voltage trip the circuit is cleared, with power lost everywhere. There is the possibility that high resistance grounding can be used to provide alarms instead of tripping on ground faults, but a knowledgeable electrical group is needed. Differential relaying can be used to detect an isolate faults, but this adds cost to the electrical system. Questioning junction devices is questionable.
Electrical connections on a vessel used on salt water are typically not sealed well enough to resist the inevitable corrosion that occurs. Air conditioning slows down this deterioration process , but does not eliminate it.
And you’re talking rubbish.
A friend of mine who is a sound engineer was on a cruise ship some time ago. They were having problems with their outdoor sound system for ages. The waterproof tweeters were stuck forever because of salt deposits. Humidity, traffic jams, salt deposits - I don't think that's out of the question. I'm definitely on tenterhooks for the NTSB report. Undervoltage system protection - hmm - we'll see
Error not Traffic Jam - of course that too - but it should say dust deposits.
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I've got some where around 20 years as Chief Electrician on ships. Many more, installing and modifing marine electrical systems. They are specially designed for the environment they operate in.
You don't use shore side types of electrical equipment.
Of course congress doesn’t want to fund the replacement. It was Maryland’s cheap lazy attitude that prevented them from installing sufficient dolphin upgrades to protect the original bridge. It wasn’t the national government’s fault, so it’s not their job to fund it.
I wonder if anyone here in the Commentsection has seen a Curcuitcabinet up Close....
These Type of Connectors are a Standard all over the Wolrd, the Spring Mechanism is known to be Maintenance free and is quicker to assembly.
It is also a Connector which is rated for maximum 500V and very little Currrent (16Amps) and has therefore no direct Connection to the Propulsionsystem.
It may be Part of a Control Cuircuit between Sensor and PLC.
BUT, if one broken Wire, Connector, Sensor can Blackout your entire Ship, than you have some serious Design Issues!
The same Control Equipment which is Martime rated, is used in other Critical Appliances, but only if correctly designed.
I bet the Ship builder has made some Safety Analyzes and came to the Conclusion that the Risk of an Blackout near Port is so low that that Sensor dont needed to be Redundant.
So definetly not the Fault of a Connector.
Good they “safely docked” for a change.
To be clear the main engine had electrically powered oil and water pumps, power goes out, engine safeties shut it down.
Looking at the Wago terminal block? I always found them to be top of a line when installed correctly. It's my personal choice electrical device.
The electrical system on this ship works and behaves as if it was designed and built by Boeing.
Man made complex electrical or mechanical devices fail from time to time. It happens! I continue to believe that because of the increasing size and mass of ships, rules should have been changed long ago and tugs should have been required for large ships going in and out of that port. I just wonder how many other bridges are at risk where large ships could do the same thing. I feel so sorry for those six families that lost loved ones! This could have been much worse had they not stopped traffic in time.
Nor should congress fully fund it, let the Dali owners pay for it. After all they did destroy it
This is a key infrastructure roadway.. spend the money and design a bridge that puts ZERO supports in the water and make it very tall to open up the full potential of the BALTIMORE HARBOR and Docks
Building the bridge any higher than the bay bridge is a waste. Ships can’t get into Baltimore harbor without going under that bridge too
The NTSB is pretty much the only gov't entity that is trustworthy still (for the most part) look em up kids, they don't eff around and they don't make mistakes, good job for ya someday.
The Dali is actually in Portsmouth now not Norfolk. The Port of Virginia is all called “ORF”.
Cool. A $2 part failed and $2 billion worth of damage resulted. 👍
Just like so many accidents and disasters, multiple things had to go wrong.
A bad string of Christmas tree lights
Turns out the off-on switch was in the “off” position.
Just a thought. My center speaker stopped working, We had a power outage for 30 seconds when it came back the speaker was broke. Reminded me off some old advice from the early days of computers. Always check your chips and connections. Never forget chip creep.
With computer chips EVERYTHING must be plugged into a surge protector. Computer chips are highly sensitive to surges and line fluctuations.
such a terminal block costs some cent!
Make Maersk pay for the fix!!
I hope they protect the new pylons with proper barriers this time. There’s 100 ways or more a ship can lose propulsion.
How about the stolen vehicles in those containers?
My stuff is 3 months late, must have the previous
Why didnt they unload the containers and reship them? Im POSIVITIVE there are goods in them that someone is looking for.
dont build a bridge, make it a tunnel, it will be much safer in such a busy shipping channel! could even call it the Key Hole Tunnel ;P
if you would just look north to detroit there is the tam you need right there the expert irin workers are just about done their part on the gordy howe bridge and there you have what you need
Interesting, the Key bridge will be either repaired, modified, or a new bridge in 4 years, but we at Solomons have been requesting the TJ bridge to be replaced for over a decade now. It’s old and has been modified by adding large steel bolts and bands around each of the pillars to keep it from collapsing. It’s all political and profit related.
I wonder what was on that ship manifest....
I think they should have started the ship making it run and wait for it to fail again, they said it lost power at dock being loaded.
The ship had a problem , but the bridge design was at fault...
What do you mean?
Less pears to make it less likely to get hit the Dolly.Only hit one pier that's all it takes
When does the owner of the ship reimburse the costs to repair the bridge.
It's an insurance thing
Commercial ships have several hands involved. It’s not just the owner and owners insurance company.
Never, they have decalred general average, thus they are only on the hook for like $110 Million to be split up among everyone who had cargo on the ship.
@@EricDKaufman that sucks for the people with cargo. i had a break bulk shipment in dec go to baltimore . very heavy machinery parts from china. it would super suck to suddenly be hit with a huge extra cost if that ship had done this.
@@EricDKaufman So all cargo is 'lost' and goes to salvagers? Hence it was not unloaded at Baltimore?
Ntsb should by now know what’s up. Not 2 years from now. They need a new boss.
If the safety of your ship is entirely dependent on a single terminal block, you've failed in design.
What do they pay for destroying the Key Bridge?
Plenty of tugs going under the bridge.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Happy Hunting
Murphy's Law: Nature always sides with the hidden flaw.
Murphy's law section 3 subsection II . Murphy's law is a very large document. Another section: when are you most likely to misplace your keys? When you're in a hurry.
Not really news. Just how many ships made safe transits this month in the United States alone?
Probably when they changed the prop speed to slow the ship down as it approached the bridge, that would have changed the current flow and may even have thrown a breaker, seeing as they were weak anyway. So sad those Workers had to die because of a cheap maintenance budget, but that always seems to be the case, it's a toss-up between keeping a ship in tip-top shape and making a reasonable profit, with the lives of the Sailors and other workers in the balance.
Wait a minute...you mean WE are going to have to pay for it? NOT the shipping company?
We can’t wait years for the lawsuits to play out. The government fronts the money to build the bridge now and collects as much as possible from insurance and the shipping company over the next few years.
Do you want the bridge in 4 years or 10+? We'll recoup from the shippers/insurers.
Yes , Quite sure a 10 cent bandaid will fix the problem along with duct tape , bailing wire , and Super Glue !
Why does not matter. How the bridge was made without a barrier to protect from hits matters.
Because when the bridge was designed, they did not anticipate ships of this size to ever sail under it.
Terrible reporting without knowing details of the circuit that was using this tterminal block
NTSB probably didn't give much detail . if they did someone will have a video on youtube.
That ship ain't going anywhere anytime soon..investigation going to take a minute..
Contractor proposal by the end of the summer. 4 years to build the bridge. Make a call to the Army Corps of Engineers. They’ll have it done before July 1st.
If you are OK with a pontoon bridge blocking the harbor, yes.
@@lazygardens that’s fine. I don’t live anywhere near there.
You mean the electrical system issue that was reported and ignored by the multi-billion dollar company Mearsk?!
Still no reason for a ship too hit a bridge,,😅😅😅😅
Sabotage? Sure looks like it to me?
FUN FACT: The Empire State Building, standing 102 stories tall, was built 94 years ago in 1 year and 45 days. They say it's going to take 4 years to build bridge.
Thats because today there are so many more regulations and hurdles to jump. It's not an equivalent.
More government interference today to slow down progress.
The Pentagon was built faster than this bridge. Willow Run took longer but ya know, a B-24 every 63 minutes when they were done.
FUN FACT: 5 people died building the Empire State Building, and countless injured.
It took 12 years to build the Brooklyn Bridge and an estimated 27 workers died.
The Gordie Howe bridge is taking over 6 years to build, it also spans 1.6 miles, like the Francis Scott Key Bridge. Gordie Howe construction started in 2018, it's not finished yet.
ThEy SaY iT's GoInG tO tAke 4 yEarS.
Yes, it was built in a year in 45 days. How long did it take to design the building before they started? When did they start fabricating the steel before they started. By the way, after the building was up, they had to fit all the floors. People didn’t start moving in at a year and 46 days. So you made up a ridiculous example by only including part of the process of creating a new building.
Build a tunnel instead
i don’t think congress ought to commit to funding it. Is there not going to be a ton of litigation and lawsuits and insurance settlements or something coming down from this? Unfortunately, I think all that stuff has to get ironed out first because if I’m guessing, and I am, I’m guessing they might try to assign litigational legal liability and financial damages to the ship’s owner. As they should. As the judge and jury definitely should. Well that is my opinion anyway. But yah that whole process is going to take even longer than the four years to build the bridge because… welp… lawyers are necessary. And alas, the lawyers make sure that they get paid too for all of the work that they to get people’s lawsuit money to them. Yep. Gonna be a long long time.
Why? Congress is funding infrastructure projects all over the US, many far less important than this. Let the litigation go forward, any monies as a result go back to Treasury at least that way it can get started/finished sooner. The law suits will go on for years and years.
This bridge would be considered a priority since this bridge is the only one that allows trucks carrying hazardous materials to go through.
This is IS infrastructure used by US citizens. The cost will be a tiny fraction of what we've sent to Ukraine or Gaza. This new bridge is the Connotationally correct use of tax dollars. People complained about US money being used must have no idea of how much the Government sends overseas.
I don't think any company has an insurance policy that big.
While I agree. All the litigation can take decades to solve. This road needs built before then.
1:48 is that a backpack or unusually thick dreadlocks :-))
back pack !!
@@tombeck2792 What am I missing... it is two white dudes.
@@EricDKaufman nothing
Profit before lives the operating method of all big business, then the government minimises what the at fault party has to pay in penalties because the taxpayer will pick up that bill.
Our government should not be responsible to pay and replace the bridge. I think the ship's insurance should pay up. We all know it's the ship that caused the Franklin Scott Key bridge to collapse. That's why you have insurance and Anything that the insurance company doesn't pay it's up to the company of the ship's to pay. Why should the tax payers or the State of Maryland have to foot the bill?
When do you want the bridge replaced, in 4 years or more than 10? The bridge was and will be an important part of our national infrastructure. Sooner is much better for everyone.
it is cute you think this is going to cost $1.7 Billion. I would go somewhere between double to triple that number.
That’s interesting because you could be right. But when you’re absolutely wrong, you’re going to pretend you never said this or come up with some other rationalization about why you really weren’t wrong.
Then you'll never get the contract.
One wire terminal block? No redundancy? Hmmm…
Was the terminal block used with rigid cables or with flexible cables?
There is always movement and vibration in a vessel. There should be flexible cables.
But not every terminal block is designed for flexible cables.
It doesnt matter in this Case.
If a Ship occures a total Blackout because of one failed Connector, then the System has Flaws by Design.
You have calculate the Risks of every possible Failure and counter act it with redundancys if necessary
The captain still not arrested
The captain was not at the helm, the local pilot was
@@tombeck2792 Pilots never helm a vessel. Captain always has control, he just normally shuts up and lets the pilot do the work.
Unless it is a military vessel, and then the captain of the vessel will slap down a pilot in a heart beat.
That's because no crime took place.
Negligence or not following federally mandated laws, safety regulations and protocol are indeed criminal when innocent lives are taken and billions of dollars of damages/lost revenue have taken place.
Only in America 90 days since this 100% preventable catastrophic incident happened, we STILL don't have the conclusinary investigative report telling us who/why is responsible. Yet they tow the evidence with crew to a new home.
When does America get some honest factual answers?
Smokescreen
They only need a new span 1/2 mile long, not a whole bridge.
No, the whole things needs to be rebuilt. in order to make this properly safe, which the old bridge wasn't, everything need to be rebuilt to support the new structure. It will be a completely different design
No, that's, at best, a silly idea.
@@Johnboy33545 the bridge was fine on March 15th, so the section not damaged is OK. You can kick in the 1 Billion $$ to pay for the work.
Congress should not have to fund ANY of it!
There are loads of missing words, in that poorly written title.
Wait I thought all commerce between US ports had to be conducted by US owned and operated Vessels?
So they also violated the Jones Act?
Read up on the regulations before you spout nonsense.
@@johaneaDoes the Jones Act have a clause for damaged vessels? if not, then they have a point. It is cargo going from one US port to another US port.
Of course, I would never think they would/could inforced the Jones act on something like this. It is fairly obvious this is extreme circumstances.
@@EricDKaufman That idiotic act states following.
A foreign vessel is allowed to call a port in America coming from a foreign port.
However, same idiotic act also forbid foreign vessels to operate as costal vessels calling American ports.
There must always be a foreign port between two American ports.
If not, America would be as isolated as North Korea because there are not enough American ships and even worse, crew.
This would be an exemption
A competent Maryland would have seamlessly been building a replacement bridge already. It's not rocket ship science.
Are you joking? What they are doing to clean up the mess is already an amazing feat. Incredibly fast and a testament to cooperation. Building a new bridge will take years for the best and fastest.
god do you people really vote?
I wonder how much Harkness is getting paid to have all those E-ZPass ads visible in his interview.
BRO!!! I was laughing at the same thing. that and his red nose
they should be putting in a tunnel scrap the bridge. the bridge shouldn't been in place in the first place the tunnel would been safer and allowed this place to have larger ships come in if needed.
NO TUG ESCORT BUILD A TUNNEL
Certain vehicles may NOT use a tunnel ... they need a bridge.
Tugs are not used here (or were not used here) because it's a straight shot to the bay. There's already two tunnels. The bridge serves as a route for Haz Mats, and propane.
Install safeguards for all critical bridge pylons. Who's paying for the damage?
Assume CHINA is not a bidder..they owned that ship.
No. Its Japanese.
Singapore owned ship, separate Singapore ship operator. Ship flagged in Singapore.
The owner company and operator should be banned from all US ports until full restitution is made.
@@nomenclature9373 Singapore flagged. OWNED by Mitsubishi. JAPAN. Subsidiary co.
@@Skidderoperator The ship IS NOT owned by Mitsubishi. It is owned by Grace Ocean Pte. Ltd., Singapore.
They have not figured out what caused the problem? It has been 3 months so far! Investigators must be getting paid lots of overtime.
This is such BS!!! It took more than a few brief moments for the ship to hit the bridge!! The ship wasn't lined up properly to approach the bridge. It SHOULD have been lined up directly in the middle of the span. A brief couple of seconds black out would not have caused the ship's path to shift so far in such a brief amount of time. 😵💫🤔😡🤬
The steering failed because of loss of power over two minutes before it reached the bridge. The rudder was in its last position and frozen.
What's real BS is your uninformed comment.
If our taxes are going to build the bridge, shouldn't we not have to pay tolls then?
Who is going to maintain the bridge? And are the taxpayers going to be partially reimbursed from the tolls?
There you have it, using cheap Chinese junk breakers and blocks.
The Connector Show in the Video is made by Phoenix or Wago.
Two known and trusted Brands arround the World.
But yeah, if it fits your Mindset better, than yes blame the Chinese...
@@ammo2222 What's your problem bud? I can comment as I wish. They probably have lots of knock off poor quality parts installed and the investigation will show this.
The Vessel was built in South Korea not China...
All Systems in such Ships need to be Maritime Certified in Order to pass Inspection. These Certified Parts come with Datasheets and all other necessary Documentation for proper Installation and Use.
And yes of course you can Comment as you want, but i have a little Expertise in industrial Control Systems and the Calculation of redundancies for those, so i will hold against a wrong Statement.
Breakers trip all the time that is what they are designed to do;... concentrate on critical back up systems...!
Why should Texans pay for that bridge? The people of Baltimore won't do anything to stop illegals from coming across the southern border..
Because products go to and from TEXAS across that bridge.
Made in China.
Why the hell should the congress fund the replacement bridge with taxpayers money? They need to go after the shipping company and their insurance company. They caused the problem why should the taxpayers be on the hook?
The city will have to pay a part as they didn't build the proper defenses for the columns as most bridge has. The rest of the money will be divided between insurance, owner, the ship Co. Etc.
It will be tied up in both US and international courts for years. The bridge will be completed and the insurance company will still be arguing.
If they wait for the shipping company or their insurance, the bridge won't get built for another twenty years.
Insurance companies make Congress look like positively FAST.
This falls under Maritime law which is archaic and slow, with many individual and separate issues to be decided before it gets settled completely. 8- 10 years is a common timeframe for things like this. We can't wait that long to get the bridge reopened.