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Thanks for watching guys, hope you enjoyed the video, thanks to all of you who suggested this video it turned out to have some pretty cool moments, see you in the next one guys, Much Love.
Thanks for doing some old South African scenarios!! Thumbs up GS. Love your content!
F-22 VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR
F-35 VS MIG-31 BVR
Thank you, greatly appreciated 👍
You should do F-15 S/MTD vs Su-57 Felon dogfight!
@@F22-Raptor27 I can't wait for The F-15EX, I'd like to see F-15EX VS F-15STOL/MTD Dogfight👍
As one of your South African subscribers, it was really nice to see some of our old Air Force getting some love on this channel. Thanks GS ✌🏻
Would definitely love to see a SAAF Gripen video in the future too 😁
finally have a plane that we can use to give the SA guys some love. Happy to do it. thanks for watching brother.
SAAF is amazing for aviation nerds, they still fly DC-3.
I’m glad to see this, a lot of my family served in the SADF during our wars in Angola and nowadays Namibia including my grandfather who was a mechanic who worked on the South African Mirages
No way! My granddad also worked on SAAF Mirages. IIIs or F1s?
On a side note, Aerges said they would be willing to produce more F1 variants after they finish the F1M. Considering that the Iraqi F1EQ has very little information available, as Dassault destroyed all documents regarding the F1EQ, the next best option would be an F1AZ in my opinion.
The AZ would be different enough from the other F1 variants in DCS, which would make it worth modeling. Plus, there’s easily accessible information online and several examples on display in museums. The F1AZ would be perfect!
That's dope
@@rhysgoodman7628 Pretty sure they have listed all the mirage f1's that will be flyable on the store page those being the CE, EE, BE and M models. Things may change in the future though who knows.
@@AndrewH2791 yeah, I’m saying that they said they would be willing to make more after they finish those four. Aerges themselves said that a while ago.
It'll be nice to have a Cheetah 'model' as well.
Dassault: Look at those Delta wings on the MiG. That's the way to go, we need to get back to that for the new M2K.
MiG: Look at those swept wings on the Mirage. That's the way to go, we need to get back to that for the new MiG-29. And tell Sukhoi too!
The MiG-23, and MiG-25 came before the MiG-29. While Su-15 came out before Su-27.
@@sztypettto Neither the mig 23 or the mig 25 have delta wings😁
I must say, it seems like a much more fair and fun fight when it's between these older cold War aircrafts rather than all these modern high AOA super maneuverable 5th gen fighters. This feels like the pilots are actually working for that win. Great fight as always
As a southafrican I really enjoyed this, also if our colors today are better. Hope to see some F-104 with the MiG-21 one day!
Is the f 104 in DCS?
The South African DCS guys on FB are working at breakneck speed to make accurate CZ and AZ skins - even the pilot's shoulder-patch flag will be historically correct. Should be in the user files before very long...I am waiting for those too, and flying French AdeL'A in the meantime.
@@guinnog2 oh cool
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The missiles you've used in a first fight were R-60M from 1982, they were capable and far more modern then MiG-21bis itself.
Magic-1 missile you used on Mirage is from early 1970 - it's a decade earlier missile than Soviet R-60M.
Both MiG-21bis and Mirage F.1C were from very early 1970s, even though MiG-21 had different, earlier variants as well.
Thx, great video!
Ah yes but this mirage only carries R550 magic missiles, not the magic 2s, they are barely all aspect and eat flares for breakfast
@@thomasbessis2809 Exactly, my mistake, R.550 Magic-1 on the video is decade older missile than Soviet R-60M from 1980s.
The Angolan MiG-21's were MF variants and during the engagements of 1981 and 1982 they were equipped with R3S's, the R-60 came later, probably when MiG-23ML's were delivered.
@@bazejs8084 R-60M saw mass production in 1978 magic 1 is 1973/74, regular R-60 time arrival was even earlier then French magic 1 but due too the secretness of the program it officially entered service on 18 december 1973
Am I watching a duel between the only mig with delta wing and the only mirage without delta wing? YES
I dont know it would be entertaining but Greek Mirage F1 vs Turkish F-5 can be a interesting matchup
That beeping is enough to put me off from trying the Mirage F1, good god
I wonder how many people realize how formidable the SADF were in the 70s and 80s. You can not imagine my joy when I saw this Mirage is South African. I walked around an F1 in Stellenbosh a while ago (it's not there anymore, curiously), a formidable relic from the past. Thanks for including this!
Awesome! A classic dogfight without stealth and complex electonics.I'd like to see more of these 🙂
“We’re gonna give him closure issues.”
The Mirage Pilot, into his radio: You’ll never understand why she left.
I know very different aircrafts but from front view the F1 reminds me the infamos 'Sabre slayer' Folland Gnat (HAL Ajeet). I hope sometime that will be a modul to for DCS and there would be an interesting gunfight between F-86 and Gnat.
My analysis of the fight (for what its worth...)
This turned into a 100% pilot skill contest.
The F1 is the superior platform here, but lack of familiarity with its flight characteristics hamstrung it in both encounters.
It was pretty apparent that both pilots were far more comfortable in the MiG 21, which makes sense - because its been on the platform for ages.
Another challenge for the Mig-21's was that the V-3 Kukri worked with a helmet mounted sight. The A model Kukri had poor performance but the B model Kukri was about equal to the J model Aim-9. Which for the time mid 1970's to mid 1980's was pretty good given South Africa's situation. And thanks for another excellent video.
Off-bore, they had a potential mind-numbing 90 degrees, though 45-70 was more typical in all exes - all with the Armscor lightweight LDR array on the helmets, a full decade before all other systems in Russian and Western fighters. The CZ and AZ were the most deadly fighters in Southern Africa for 20 years for that reason alone.
The HMS was an option, but rarely used due to its weight. It wasn't comfortable at all during hard manuvering. The V3B also had its manuvering limits although Armscor brochures don't specify the rear aspect only limits of the missile. It was a good missile, but was no world beater. Matter of fact only the Strike F1AZ's carried the V3B. The interceptor F1CZ's carried the M550 when deployed on operations.
@@martinlagrange8821 Source: trust me bro
@@diesirae8954 Not entirely - I'm taking this from an Armscor video on SABC TV in 1984-86 region. the system was being demonstrated in a Mirage III R2Z, with the LDR + pencil light beam on the firing helmet, and an illuminated reticle on the visor for off-bore missile-head guidance to tone....
As usual pilot skill ends up being the determining factor when two evenly matches planes face each other
These single engine platforms are just other worldly... I love the idea of strapping yourself to something so fast and so dangerous and go balls out into the fray with it ... the life we never had 😇👍
"Hey Mirage, hows it goin?"
"BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP"
"yeah....."
You are literally the reason I got into DCS!!! Amazing dogfight
I love how spooky-alien the mig 21 IR tone is
lol, love that ever since people thought he says Ra*e, instead of Rate, he always makes sure to say "rate" clearly and i love it.
Internet has that joke on repeat.
Lol, I love how so few people type the word "I" when leaving comments these days. It must really save them a lot of time b
It’s technically correct to call it a rape fight… you have two planes chasing each other’s butt in order to rape one another
Well, when GS is flying vs "unknown volunteers" as opponents - alot of the time it IS a "rape" fight
Okay, but why are you censoring that word?
This ain't tiktok, you won't get canceled or shadowbanned by the chinese government.
Late-model Fishbeds were the best looking jet fighters, IMO. A bit of that "Evil Empire" effect factors into the equation...
Bis looks good, SMT is too "fat"... I would like to see early F-13, PF/PFM and MF also
Earlier MiG-21 like F-13 were far lighter and more maneuverable than late bis, they had bubble canopy with great visibility as well.
@@bazejs8084 why did they ditch the bubble canopy in later models? Any ideas?
@@Desi_Nehra I think it was cheaper to produce two-piece canopies instead of bubble-type...
@@nenadpetkovski1563 Hmm, idk dude. In the context of manufacturing the whole aircraft, the cost difference between bubble canopy and reinforced one isn't going to be extreme enough to warrant such considerations.
Hey from South Africa. Yes the Russian and Cuban pilots flew the Migs in Angola. But the South African pilots were way better and kicked butt in the F1
Angolan Pilots also flew them, my families aviation history began with Angolan mig 21s.
New to your channel and the world of DCS and have had a great time trawling through your older videos. I actually really enjoyed how much you had to work within the limits for these victories. Great content!
thank you very much and welcome to the channel.
That AOA beeper would get old real fast I would think.
I too found it extremely annoying.
another watch within the hour of posting...Man I love GS! Great flying,fighting and cinematography as always brother! You always bring so much Joy when a new video pops up on my feed
I see South African Air Force aircraft, I click like, I'm a simple man.
LOVE the vids bruh ur a amazing flyer and got me back into flying dcs f-15
In aircraft design they say, "If it _looks_ right, it _is_ right." The Mirage F1 always looked right to me.
So I'm assuming the pilot in the MIG 21 cockpit is cuban..they did fly in 🇦🇴 colors
This was a fun video to watch. I enjoy watching you swap airframes each round.
Mr. Growling Thank-you for another video. I appreciate it and you got me into DCS
Loving to see the Mirage F-1, such a beautiful aircraft. It's also nice to see you take the good old Fishbed for a spin, would love to see her against the phantom again some day.
Used to watch these taking off from AFB Waterkloof as a kid in the early Eighties. Got to see them again whilst serving in the SADF.
The Cold War era fighters have such limited views from the cockpit. Never really thought about it till watching these videos. The canopies are divided into multiple sections and the metal joining the sections really does impair the pilot's view. The old Migs, the Mirage, the F14; all have some limitations. Current pilots are certainly lucky with near 360 views.
Happy to see so many fellow South Africans enjoying your channel. Love it!
Cool fight, definitely find these "Oldschool" planes fighting against each other more engaging after all these modern jet clashes. Please more vintage fighters!
I’m very happy no animals were harmed during your African dog fights. LOL
That beeping is brutal
Excellent video. I served as an infantry officer in this war. The landscape is pretty good. Keep it coming!
I was VERY happy to see this. I'm fascinated by the history of air combat in the Bush War during the 1970s and 1980s. I've designed scenarios for tabletop air combat war games that I play, and this era of jet age combat is one of my favorites.
Your flying is insane man, keep up the good work🏅
Another great F-1 video
Nice video as always, would really appreciate if you make some more beginner guides for full fidelity modules (F-14B, JF17 and F-16)
Thnx 😃
The SAAF painscheme of the era was beautiful, they just need some mild corrections on the details: the national insignia should have the sprinbok inset, not the eagle (the eagle is the current insignia). Also, some placement issues (ejection seat warning should be under the canopy, and insignia further forward on the sides, just behind the air intakes).
But I'm nitpicking, it's just great to see a genuine South African colour scheme in DCS!
The DCS ZA FB group guys are working at breakneck speed to correct this - and the project is almost finished, in a weekend ! We are going to get historically correct CZ and AZ skins (Kasteelle met goue springbokkies op die vlerkies, en oranje-blanje-blou op die stert) - and the last one will be the 'Milk Truck' AZ. Should be in the User Files by next weekend...
@@martinlagrange8821 are the Spectre scheme for the CZ also be available? Great that you are doing this.
@@martinlagrange8821 Mooi man. Kan amper nie glo hoe realisties die programme is nie. Wonder of hulle die Israeli Kfir kan gebruik as basis vir die Cheetah?
great vid, can't wait for F1 vs Mig 23
Keep the F1 videos coming GS.
…But the question is, when are you going to enact your revenge on the Mig-31?
Oh, I did an Angolan MiG-21Bis in this camouflage, C340, in 1/72 years ago... I'll do it again but now in 1/48
Holy cow, that AOA beeper.
Finally some Fishbed action!!!
Congratulations for the video: Cold war dogfights are very entertaining
Mirage F1 vs Mirage 2000 ?
This might actually be the best match up ever..the dominant MIG 21 vs the Mirage F1 🤩🤩
That effortless reversal at 1:42…. wow.
Anytime I see jets go for gun kills it bring a huge smile 😁 to my face great shooting and flying👍
I’ve waited so long for a video like this as a South African my self.
I really like the color schemes of both aircraft.
glad to see you covering these aircraft, Mig-23 next?
Nice video GS!! Well done!!
Love the last shot. Climbing victory roll and falrin', then lighting the afterburner. @ 11:13
fascinating channel, really have enjoyed the vids and the commentary (that often drives me out to find definitions of all the terms) -- just wanted to add this funny thought that occurred to me during this video:
The tech and science behind these aircraft is so refined, yet the crafts' purpose is solely designed for destruction.
what a world. Just another "what if" moment. have a nice day everyone.
An Mirage F-1 vs MiG-23ML would be awesome!
We know how that one ended.
@@TheGranicd In MiG-23´s victory like over Angola 1988!
I am soaking up everything DCS right now, im making this my primary hobby
These have got to be 2 of the craziest looking aircraft I’ve ever seen
Seems like a really poor design choice on the mirage to have that alpha warning at a point where it’s expected to go off in routine maneuvering. Alarm fatigue means the pilot will learn to ignore the warning which could have disastrous consequences.
A two-stage alarm where there’s a warning first, which is just advisory, as opposed to an actual alarm when something bad is happening; seems wiser.
Harassing the pilot with alarms gets in the way of their situational awareness as well.
would love to see the F-1 fight the F-8 Cruisader....
This Video of MiG-21/F-1C is a practical proof that Man (i.e Growling Sidewinder) Behind the Machine Matters, especially when both adversaries have near peer machines.
The MiG-21 is such a quintessential 1960s aircraft. I love the sci fi fox-2 tone
while R-60s might have the flare resistance of a magnifying glass, and a range worse than the earliest model AIM-9s, they can still pull a really respectable amount of G's. not 100% sure but I believe among the order of 20-30G, even
The important factor is that where R-3S is limited to 1.6-2 g at launching platform, the R-60 (non-M) allows 7g, and maximum overload for the missile is 47 g, meaning it can track a target pulling 12 g (3.9:1 ratio, generally it is taken as 3-5:1 ratio. Example AIM-120C-5 can only pull 30g (some speak about 20 g) limiting target interception capability to 7.5-8 g).
The R-60 lacks in the range (at sea level 0.25-1.5 km, at altitude 0.3-8 km), but unlike AIM-9 or R-3 and other missiles at the time, you had seeker uncaged and have excellent capability to turn, until R-73 came out, it was most agile missile.
But most importantly is its fuzing, as the warhead was capable to destroy target at 300 meters from the launch, where example AIM-9 required 2.5 km (about 5 seconds acceleration) to fuze the warhead after launch. That is why you couldn't go use AIM-9 at close ranges as only choice was to use gun. Again, DCS doesn't simulate this old AIM-9 missiles limitation, giving huge advantage to its operators.
very good video and very good use of both planes, as for the mig-21 use the same tactics of both, use lowered flaps and additional burning to get the most out of the plane in turns and close to the ground 🤨🤨
GS and LS uploaded at the same time😎😎, keep up the content
You should do MiG-29A vs F1CE next, but limit the MiG-29 with some R-60M instead of R-73.
Really sad MiG still dont have uncage for missiles. Affects dogfights.
Exotic places and historic events: I like it! :)
gotta take a hat down to your casual high aspect gunnery.
anyways how do you padlock the opponent (move your virtual head)?
Hehe, you remembered to put the flaps down in the rate fight. 🙂
This fight was perfect proof that you can have any aircraft but if pilot against you is better youre gonna loose
Except if you are in an f22
So basically "which is the better plane? The one sidewinder is in"
This is super. The roundel and other insignia on the F-1CZ are very close to the real deal.
This made me wanna buy the mig-21 in the next sales XD
the beeping horn can be disabled by the third switch from the top left of the weapon selector pad
Maybe the detached Fox-2 was the MiG's secret off-boresight capability.
Do you have a list of your reshade settings? Looks rather nice to me.
in Angola a Cuban pilot with his MIG -23 shot down a Mirage the South Africans knew that the sky of Angola was dominated by the Cubans
Great video once again, does anybody knows the name of the music at the end?
I wish they could make modern aircraft with the same kind of old-school cool as the MiG-21.
I'd agree. The Magic 2's were great during that time period. R60M's are out matched in every way vs the Magic 2's. However, the 21Bis probaly get's more R60's it could carry iup to 6 and im not sure how many Magic 2's the Mirage F1 carried.
only 2 ingame
In reality it was none. The SAAF only had access to the Matra 550 Magic 1 as the Magic 2 only came about in the mid 80's. Only two would be carried in service. One on each wingtip.
Nice vid
You forgot to use the combat flaps of the Mirage. Would have been easier I think.
What rudder pedals do you use?
Looks like, while the F-1 seems easier to fly, the MiG-21 has the overall advantage over the F-1. Second fight took a lot longer.
Also have to remember the f1 hasnt been out for too long so there hasnt been as much time to get familiar with its little flight details
Possibly better place to pose the question. Good day, do not play myself, maybe one day, but videos are very entertaining thanks! Question, does the Cheetah C (Upgraded Mirage III) feature in DCS?
From the video, it looks like the Mirage has some lateral stability issues at low speed. Does it feel that way in flight, or was I just seeing the results of rudder input trying to point your nose?
Hey! A bit of topic but I just want to ask what SU57 you use for DCS, the one I have isn't very good so I just want to know if we have different variants and if your's is better/more suitable.
Thanks.
How do you even see the other plane sometimes?
It's pretty hard for me to see sometimes
That old vacuum-cleaner
Good match!
Can we get a mig 21 vs f4
Mirage F-1 VS J-7
Mosquito VS Pucara
F-16I Sufa VS F-15STOL/MTD
J-10 VS SU-27
F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk
MB-339 Aerimacchi VS Viggen
MIG-28 VS MIG-29
F4U Corsair VS MIG-15
AH-64 Apache VS Ka-50 Kamov
J-16 VS SU-35
UH-1H VS Mi-8
AV-8 Harrier VS MIG-23 Flogger
YF-12 VS MIG-31
MIG-19 VS MIG-21
T-45 Goshawk VS F-14 Tomcat Test Fight
Please fly aircraft on the left🙏
I don't think the Mig was out of action, I think the pilot just ejected to go get his missile back. :^)