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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 29. 03. 2024
- Welcome to a super late night ramble where I'm sad about not being able to open more Sorcery.
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Beta precons will be the best way for new players to break in, and that product is reasonably priced. I think the combination of Alpha and Beta print runs, there is plenty of cards printed and the current state of the game with active players is extremely small.
Playable elites are already starting to dry up on TCGplayer and playable uniques will be very expensive. The idea that you can sell a game to a new player via starter decks and then they can only play with half the cards is not tenable. Having a good entry point doesn't matter much when there is no great avenue after that. Unless you are One Piece and you have all the hype, marketing, and IP to feed the furnace.
You are correct that the active players is extremely small, and you are right that if it remains pretty small then there might not be an issue. Seems like you can a few other comments are totally fine with a small game being small. My point is that it's worrisome for the future. You can't keep making a TCG that can't attract new players.
@@iopentcgs I totally agree if this was a well supported LGS game but it is not. The game is definitely a casual experience. So player base is small.
I also think discord and in-person will be the way to get cards. The game isn't big enough to encourage a large sale of singles.
Hate to say it, but Beta precons will shoot to the moon too. Once people realize that precons come with a booster pack, and that an Alpha booster costs the same as the Beta precon boxâŠ
Six months isnât that long. Buy the precons. Thereâs tons of exceptional and ordinary cards around for deck building.
Iâd buy one for each of my friends interested in the game but I couldnât find but one I bought in December. So yeah..
I think their core audience has bought the cards and boxes. I think this is an older guyâs game. I think this will cause people to buy the next set if they want to get in. We also donât know their reprint policy other than probably no reprinting art Iâm thinking. Iâd still rather buy 36 packs of this for $300 over a new magic collectors 12 pack box for about the same price.
Beta is getting a limited reprint when AL is released
Just watched a great video on drafting Sorcery and I was so hyped to get into the game and try it out, but I will never be able to try it. Makes me sad :/
Star Wars Unlimited looks awesome for draft too.
I'm not an expert at all, but the game isn't really balanced for draft at all. But it does suck that you never got to try it! Only the diehard stores that bought from TC even offered draft.
Single prices will dip when alpha investments 6000 boxes ship out this month that will be a good final opportunity to grab what you need
*Edit* Just rewatched the video. Any chance you will post a video of your uniques binder?
My 2 cents, we will see a continuation of the stagnant community. Some will enter using cheap cards, but honestly, it was a slow trickle even with TC with boxes. I think the hardcore community + strong gameplay will build hype for the game.
I am pretty convinced that people who get into this game will stay, and over the long haul it will grow. People will start to foam at the mouth for the next single release per year. It will become an event in the TCG space unlike any other TCG.
Also, I loved seeing your collection! That is amazing! I didnât see a Pathfinder, did you get one?
I went the singles route after opening 3 boxes. I only have 21% of the foils set and was 2 from having the complete power nine. Got my Mirror Realm days before the sell out on TC. Wanted to buy more boxes, but every time i kept thinking⊠a box, or guaranteed foils I wantâŠ. I was convinced once I opened the 3rd box and it was ordinary and exceptional foils only, hahah
The foil uniques are all in toploaders! I haven't added them to the binder yet in fear. I'm still missing 4 of them though. Hopefully a few more show up for sale after Rudy's sale.
This kills the game, cards will shoot to the moon and then crash when people canât get anything for 7-8 months.
Beta becomes the new Alpha and Alpha becomes Ăverture (on prices). Beta Precons are still cheap.
Having starters is good, but having the only path for a new player to be starters -> expensive singles for 6 months is very bad for a game that already lacks marketing. Stores already didnât push Sorcery or starters because they didnât have product to sell. Now itâa worse since the wait to AL is 6 months.
Six months really isnât that long to wait. I like the one release per year.
@@user-hy8zv8rw1m As mentioned in the video, six months is fine for people who have already played and experienced Sorcery. But if you want a game to continue for 10 more years, you need new players as well.
@@iopentcgs it might have stopped sooner than expected but I understand you canât print that many boxes if you want Beta to be a collectors item too. Beta is around 300 Alpha is around 1,200, seems fair. Btw Iâm a collector too I couldnât complete the full foil set but will focus on non foil.
Beta shouldnât be a collectors item it should be for people to play the game alpha was for the hardcore collectors. I hope for AL they donât give a dick about collectors just let people play.
Maybe a little perspective? You opened 180+ boxes at MSRP thanks to Team Covenant. Rejoice in that maybe.
The video is a mourning to the good time that was had. Never once was mad at Team Covenant or blamed them for anything. The video is mainly about new people and allowing the game to hopefully continue as I like it a lot.
He wasnât being negative for the sake of it. He clearly wants the game and community to grow. He opened 180+ cause it was obvious that with some work, you can basically make money off getting cards (though I doubt he made money, and likely spent a good penny)
watching people open star wars unlimited is how I heard of that game. Sorcery will suffer from not having lots more box breaks on youtube.
Box breaks are definitely part of how you get the art in front of people. Even in my small time doing Sorcery breaks on Whatnot, there is also new people coming in intrigued by the art. Then they realize that no store in a 3 hour radius has a game night for it and now they can't even buy a box from TC. Indirect marketing was already super limited, and now it's pretty much dead for 6 months.
â@@iopentcgsThey should have more stock till next release. Maybe a few hundred boxes per week/month just to keep the player base going. Singles are going to rise now and price new players out. I only opened 3 boxes but would have liked to open a few more. Now, I'm not so sure. đ»
I get the sentiment, but non foil will eventually balance out and foils being expensive doesn't prohibit people from entering the game.
For many uniques there are already less than 10 listings on TCGplayer. In the next 6 months, how many boxes are going to be opened to replenish supply? However, you might be right, and there might be 10 people hording all the playables for now and will trickle them out later on. Granted, if no new players come into the game in the next 6 months, then supply isn't a problem.
@@iopentcgs a lot of people are waiting to sell just because no one really knows where things will land. but even uniques in non foil aren't particularly rare, and I don't see a huge influx of actual players until AL. things will definitely be more expensive, but I just don't see non foil being prohibitively expensive in the medium to long term.
@@SKOMEpocets If AL will bring in new players, how will those new players get any of the beta cards?
@@iopentcgs buy singles? I'm telling you, non foil beta is quite abundant. uniques will obviously carry a higher price tag, but rarer cards should hold value. I'd also bet good money they print mixes and cores in newer sets with different art for whatever theme that set has down the line if they don't just straight power creep them. they had boxes at a fixed price for 5 months, that's already better than a lot of tcgs. were they supposed to just print beta forever?
@@SKOMEpocets Having less than 10 sellers for 1/3 of the uniques on TCGplayer isn't "quite abundant". If we can't agree on that then there's no use continuing. I hope you are right that new players won't feel any barriers to getting into the game in 3 months.
Bro spent $27,000 fucking card board. Damn.
I did sell $20,000 worth of cards and kept around $25,000 worth as well. But if Sorcery isn't around in 3 years, it's all for nothing!
If you want to open a lot, you have to buy, open and sell. Lmao. Itâs work, no joke
I just donât get how there can be that much value in a box. I opened three boxes and the only expensive cards I got was a foil immortal throne which is only $15-$20 and a single amethyst core. All the other uniques I got arenât worth dick lol. Do you really make that much selling the basic cards for 2-5$ each?
@@WonOneWun Sorcery boxes have a very big variance. They are extremely clumpy. But when you open in mass, the EV for a box was very high. During the first few months, there were at least 25 uniques that were worth $5+. Sorcery also had a lot of set collectors that wanted foils, so there were many foils that were also easily sold. The market now is very very different compared to the first few months though. Even before the boxes ran out.
@@WonOneWun Opened 3 boxes and got 7 foil uniques. One box had 5⊠had a Onyx core, highland princess, king of the realm, star seed of Uhr, and Midland Army, all foil. Same box had an aquamarine core, and a highland princess, both non-foilâŠ
So when all the boxes get averaged there is still a lot of value, but you need to either be luxky like me, or buy a lot and sell a lot.
The estimated value for a Beta box even at the lowest was like $205⊠STILL higher than MSRP, but you would need to sell a lot of the âbulkâ, so selling opening and selling in quantity is really important and Very time consuming.
New players can buy cheap singles online. This is a casual kitchen table game. New players dont need a pstone and earthquakes in their deck. Plenty of grapple shots, buries, and fiebolts are available for pennies. Same for pudge butchers, kobolds, and summoning spheres. These cards make the core of strong and fun decks, and bring far more impact to the table than the uniques you're crying about. My man over here acting like brand new players need a sleeved up tournament winner so they can go compete at their non-existent lgs scene. You doomsday prophets are trippin.
A: Hey you want to play this brand new card game?
B: Sure! Where can I buy it?
A: Well you can't...but you can buy a starter!
B: Cool! What if I want to make this deck or that deck?
A: Well...it's a kitchen table game so you don't need all the cards!
B: Oh. Then I'll play the other 5 games where I can get cards easily and has 1000x more players.
The majority of how the conversation will go with perspective new players. Sure there will be a few people who try out the game just like you are describing, but there will be way more people who don't. I'm sure you don't have any of the uniques right? You just use lower rarity cards? I'm sure you practice what you preach right?
@@iopentcgs nice made up scenario. product is readily available. Anyone interested in the game can pick up some decks and singles at a low price point and start playing with their friends. Sorcery also has unique selling points: it's tactical, grounded, and mature. Players who find these things appealing will check the game out. Everyone else who wants to go play doctor who commander at their lgs will not find these things appealing in the first place and players who do find sorcery appealing are not interested in the corporate sjw zoomer dumpster fire that magic has turned into. There is very little crossover between the target markets and new players do not need to open $150 boxes to start playing the game. You are tripping.
My scenario is just as made up at yours. If you still think product is readily available at this point, we just can't agree on facts and nothing will come of this. Go check out TCGplayer?
Also you seem to have a lot against Magic which is totally your right, but there are a lot more options out there now a days. It's not just Magic, so the Magic hate has no relevance here. The entire point of the video is that even though Sorcery is tactical, grounded, mature, fun, amazing, beautiful...it doesn't matter if there is no supply or no reason for people to get into the game for 8 months out of a year. Seems like most people arguments are "welp just wait".
Also it seems like EC doesn't agree with you as they are targeting a limited wave when AL comes out.