Ken Parker Archtoppery - Arched Plates - Rough Carving: Chapter 3
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- A) Assessing the rough carving progress so far.
B) Continuing with plane and spoke shave tool, assessing progress with a straight edge.
See) More to come in Rough Carving... - Hudba
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Ken you should get into reading bedtime stories. Fascinating stuff made all the better by the commentary
HA! I'll have to tell my wife! At the moment she is the one and only audience I have. We just finished "Klara and the Sun", an awesome bedtime read.
Camera work is exceptional here! So good.
Thanks! Camera person is exceptional.
Excellent video.
My learning continues.
Thanks.
You are welcome!
I just finished carving my first mandolin back and establishing the long arch first wouldn’t have occurred to me. It seems like a good idea.
It's a way of establishing control. Thanks!
Ken you're obviously an expert on archtop guitars (not to mention the inventor of the FLY of which I've owned 3, including a Cedar Bronze, and still have 1). I'm wondering what you know about Maccafferi/Selmer guitars also known as Gypsy Jazz guitars? They have a bend (formed with a hot iron) in the top plate called a pliage, just behind the floating bridge. They sound a bit like a blend of an archtop and a flattop. Just curious what you know of them and why they are so loud. I saw the video where Tommy E. described one of your guitars as having a similar sound. Aren't guitars just wonderful instruments.
Wow, a Cedar Bronze, my favorite one! Hardly any of these were made, mostly because a lot of us in the shop were sensitive to it, and so it was a health hazard to cut and sand the Western Red Cedar. Bummer, as it is a superb tone wood!
And yes, Guitars are wonderful instruments! You don't have to take our word for it, either, let me here quote some Chopin, "Nothing is more beautiful than a guitar, except, possibly, two."
Ha! I love the great backstage clip with Tommy. He's irrepressable! This was his first experience of my archtop guitars, and in real time. He kind of just yelled out "What's this? a PLAYABLE Macaferri guitar?", if I've remembered right. I don't think he thought that for long, and as you see the clip progress, and he and Martin play together and trade guitars, I think his impression changed. When I first became aware of Django, I was Stunned by the sound he got from this wild looking acoustic instrument, but wasn't sure what I was hearing, as you could tell the recording technology was iffy, and who knows what they really sounded like in person, I'd never heard one live, or even seen one. Still, I stayed fascinated with the Selmer / Maccaferri guitar, looking all over for one, but when I finally got one in my lap, I was underwhelmed. It sounded loud, but crashy to me, without any fullness in the low end. I have played lots of them since, some really nice handmade ones, and some others which were "Gypsy" rough and ready, down home folk - arty kind of things. My pal Martin Tremblay of Montreal is North America's most experienced Manouche restoration specialist, having worked on at least 200 of these, mostly built in Europe from the 30's through 50's, IIRC. I wouldn't say that they sound between anything, they have a unique voice, which you would expect, since they are SO different in construction from any other guitars. A good example is the singular pilage you cite, which resembles the kink in a double bass back. The punchy impact of a good one played hard is quite something, and although Django the Magician was able to kick butt every single time he played a note, many of us mortals have a tough time getting them to sound great for any other kind of music. Evidence of this is how few (any?) of these Manouche guitars are ever used to play anything but Django's repertoire.
As they say, "The French copy no - one, and NO - ONE copies the French!"
@@kenparkerarchtoppery9440 You should see the smile on my face right now. What a wonderful reply. Thanks so much Ken. The thing that I remember from the video was Tommy's comment that "it has that Maccaferri thing but so much more" or something like that. He was really impressed. Yeah, like a classical guitar one must use the right technique to get the tone from these guitars. The rest stroke is the key I think. Anyway, I hope luthiers will study these videos that you are documenting and follow in your footsteps. These videos are important . Just think if Stradivari or the Amati family had youtube and documented what they did. What you're doing is important! Please don't forget that.
I really appreciate the tool making advice. that said I’m not 100% sure i follow what the uses of the fore plane and the scrub plane are. as i understand it you have the #6 set up almost as a skewed smoothing plane to refine the curve after you use the scrub plane and gouge to remove large amounts of waste. do i have that right?
Also, your modified spoke shave reminds me of a thing I’ve had for a few years that i picked up at a swap meet. I was told it’s an early 20th c. cobbler’s spoke shave made for carving the wooden foot shape forms that custom shoemakers used to shape the leather shoe upper around. Have you ever seen one of those? the one i have has a lovely piece of curved brass across the mouth that looks a bit like the modification on your spokeshave. i’m thinking it might make a good archtop carving tool
These are the tools that I find most efficient for cutting across the grain. The scrub plane is really a settable roughing gouge with two handles. I am not sure what you mean by skewed, all these tools our designed to work across the grain in the interests of efficiency. Since most of this long curve is convex, it's natural to use a flat bottom plane to remove little bumps and problems and refine the shape. The idea it is to define this long arched surface so that we can refer to it as we carve the complex, changing transverse curves in the next video.
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Years ago, when nearly everything was made with hand tools, there were thousands of specialized tools aimed at every profession and every task.
It's possible that your tool or one like this one could be used for archtop guitar making. I will get around to demonstrating the modifications that are helpful using tools that are currently manufactured. Stay tuned!
@@kenparkerarchtoppery9440 thanks for clarifying that. by skewed, i was thinking when you were showing the set up that the iron was more aggressive on one side than the other? i may have misunderstood that.
thanks so much for the generosity with your time it takes to make these videos and write your responses to comments.
@@JasonQuackenbushonGoogle The blade was ground to a slight convex shape, and set to cut deepest in the middle. Sorry this wasn't clear.
Hey Ken!
Not sure if I missed something, but how do you keep your centerline even after planing the wood?
Pretty sure it´s some kind of magic, but maybe you can explain it more in depth (if you did not already)
As aways, thanks for sharing!
edit: Oh, the brown paper... I see, I see...
The kraft paper makes it easy until its cut away during the second centerline glue - up, when the joint can be frustratingly difficult to spot. Usually I make two little knicks with a small saw at the ends of the joint so that I don't have to struggle to spot the center joint as the guitar is assembled. Of course the plate is oversized, so the marks are removed when the edge is trimmed.
Really enjoy the sounds of the sharp plane. Just wondering what Ken thinks of a cedar (arch)top? Here in Oz, cedar is much more available. Cheers
I always wanted to go to OZ, pray tell, what are your coordinates?
I am almost done with my first guitar from Port Orford Cedar, and although I love Western red Cedar, I am quite sensitive to it, and have to be very careful around the dust. It seems like it would be a fine material! You would just need to make sure it was thick enough to carry the load, as it doesn't have the mechanical strength of good spruce.
Sound is one of the joys of hand planing!
@@kenparkerarchtoppery9440 much appreciated 😊 I'm hailing from ye Ole Sydney town. You'd love Oz, and your name comes up in the forums here often, so a visit would be most welcome. Looking forward to checking out your upcoming P O cedar.
Cheers seb
Tools: as a wood-be saxophone tech - decent and suitable tools are very difficult to find.
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done!