There's this proverb that goes something like "Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it". In some European countries you can see that happening right now.
You should also tell of the consequence to Japanese whose attempt to deny or even rewrite the history especially the one involving their atrocious crimes against Chinese and other Asian neighbors during WW2 can easily top the league.
What we are seeing now in the United States, where students are being beaten, doxed, having their lives ruined for their desire for peace and to stop ethnic cleansing and genocide (this is how they see it, whether anyone disagrees or not) should deeply concern everyone. We now see a majority of politicians in both parties aligning against them. In fact, the House of Representatives just approved a law that redefines antisemitism as also being any speech that criticizes the nation of Israel - a flagrant violation of our freedom of speech. All this is to say that I worry we are moving closer to a twisted version of what Germany became, out of some mutated allegiance with the fascists of Israel that arose as a backlash to their history and the decades of violence in and around their borders.
And this scene is in the original novel - but "hidden" in the middle so as to not attract too much attention. The author says he always intended for it to be at the beginning.
I was always surprised how much Cixin got away with in his books. Considering so many of them include criticisms of many parts of Chinese government. As well as including western entities as sometimes superior to China
most of the country buried their own sins to keep young generation straight to current problem not past time. and also they probably afraid this movie lead to propaganda, which is creating another problem in future generation
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165exploit the Chinese market? I don’t think people in China will be permitted to watch this so that just cuts down the huge Chinese market by billions… do you think if Netflix hadn’t depicted the violence graphically China would allow its citizens to see it?
Kung Fu Panda was an absolute hit in China. Actually to the point where they were surprised they were sad that westerners represented them better then their own countrymen. I understand we dislike CCP, but let’s not spread misinformation.
That first scene actually really surprised me when I watched it. Didn’t expect Netflix to have the spine to depict China like that. Usually companies are too afraid. Thought it was really refreshing
Same.. they need to stop bowing down to China and making them look like innocent virtuous people.. they need to show them for who they really are and what their true history consists of..
Dude, the first scene literally establishes Ye Wenjie's character. I thought even the CCP version would just rush through it, not censor it entirely. Without it, looks like she just grumpy one day and decided "I hate humans lol. I think I'll betray humanity to an alien power." 😂
That's quiet not true! CCP has been very successful for years when it comes to manipulating uncomfortable films, especially in Hollywood and on streaming services. They usually obey because they are afraid of losing the large Chinese market
@@RussnsRsubHumns Then how come I been able to watch “7 Years in Tibet” on Netflix? A movie China really despises and has gotten Brad Pitt banned from the country? Netflix doesn’t care about gaining business with them.
@@RussnsRsubHumns I think you misread what he typed. While you're correct, Hollywood does seem to be afraid to lose china's business, it would appear Netflix in particular was not afraid to shed some light on China...
@@RussnsRsubHumns Then explain why I have been able to watch “7 Years in Tibet” in Netflix? A movie that the CCP despises and got Brad Pitt banned in China just by being its lead role. Maybe Netflix will caw tow to China again in the future, but right now, it doesn’t seem to be doing so.
i wonder why we speak about countries like we speak about persons. there are marginal amount of bad people in china like there are marginal amount of bad people anywhere else. lets stop speaking about leaders of the country like they represent all
Me too! I read the book, and I'm sure the show will be so tame compared to how horrible (and realistic and terrifying) the book was. It accurately showed the horrific dystopia of China and the CCP hates that.
Well then you maybe disappointed because in reality China doesn't really care, the book is already best seller in China in its uncensored format and Netflix is not available in China without special VPN. The Chinese media also made a version of movie adaptation about two years prior - pretty decent - that they did remove a lot of scenes from the book. Also this is a meme channel mascarading as actual news. Try fact check his shorts and they're mostly exaggerated or out right untrue. Chinese hate is profitable.
I've never understood why the CCP doesn't own up to their history. They act like the German tour guide in Family Guy when Brian asks why they don't talk about their history from 1939 to 1945. The German guide says, "Everyone was on vacation! We were invited! Check with Poland! I will hear no more insinuations about the German people! Nothing bad happened!!"
Many characters were rewritten to be from an anglophone perspective and to have more depth to improve how well Western audiences would receive the material.
@@richard1493 I'm aware and they are the only ones and outside of Benedict Wong and are not really major roles. They split Wang miao into multiple characters and not a single one is asian.
Right, china makes tv shows and movies that makes other countries look bad through lies but the second a tv show makes china look bad through truth they get furious, that’s funny 😂
The Chinese were talking about "Oh that scene isn't in the book". It is, it's just buried in the narrative in the Chinese version. The author wanted the scene at the beginning like in the series and internation versions of the book, but his publisher was worried about the outcry it would cause so buried it in the middle where it would cause less outcry
What is annoying is that Tencent version washed over the 1970s Cultural Revolution setting (ignoring the CR's brutality) while this Netflix series washed over the 2000s modern setting by completely taking it out of China and setting it in the UK (ignoring how the modern setting was supposed to contrast with the past chaotic setting). Both adaptations have been unfaithful to the books.
I mean, we have to forgive a measure of material in adaptation. Sometimes a scene, or even a character, makes sense in print but doesn’t work in film because we lose that interiority or insight.
@@Intranetusayup, netflix had to do diversity casting and set it in the UK so they could genericize it to death and give it “broad appeal.” It sucks, turned it off after two episodes.
Yeah, the opening chapter is literally the reason for Earth's betrayal. We're so cruel to each other and the environment that one of the main characters naively thought that advanced aliens could save us.
All I can say is that I’m glad studios are finally making this stuff and not letting China have a stranglehold over them. I can’t tell you how many films I’ve worked on where entire scenes were cut in post, edited around, or reshot with new poorly integrated storylines featuring China just so the film would get money at the Chinese box office. It was really pathetic pandering that was so cheap and obvious.
I kind of feel for Netflix Depict history incorrectly (Cleopatra), get sued by the country they misrepresented. Depict history and the novel correctly (three body) and still get harassed by the country they represent. You just can't win.
@@driftingwolf0The problem is the country is China where the nationalists get angry at even the smallest things, but maybe nationalists will always get angry even if its historically accurate about their country.
Erased religion Check Mobile execution vans Check Corruption Check Bad Sewers Check Bad Construction Check Terrible Regulations Check Pollution Check But a movie is going to far
What is sad is the author put both the 1970s and the 2000s setting of Book 1 in China to contrast the past chaos of the Cultural Revolution with the modern and optimistic progress of modern China. The Netflix series completely erased this contrasting theme by taking the modern 2000s setting out of China and putting it in the UK. The Tencent version was unfaithful in ignoring parts of the Cultural Revolution/1970s Chinese setting, and the Netflix version is even more unfaithful by completely erasing the 2000s Chinese setting.
This was the opening for both the Netflix show as well as the English adaptation. However in the original Chinese book, though this scene was supposed to be the opening, the author stuck it somewhere in the middle in fear of being prosecuted for having it as the opening. Kind of depressing and further shows the lack of freedom of speech in that country
@@cisarovnajosefina4525 pick any Western country sadly. Any which support Ukraine. Any which is attacking its own population for speaking truth. Any which peddles illusions. Any which cry depopulation whilst doing it's all to kull the population. Any which helps dumb down its own population. I'm Canadian and what hasn't Trudeau done to embarrass us? I don't have enough fingers. We won't mention Biden. And Australia who arrests their own instead of Chinese thugs who create trouble, kind of like the pro Hamas protesters. We're so worried about being labelled a ridiculous word we stop standing up for truth. What about allowing chaos with open borders so society collapses forcing people to rely on the government succumbing to a ruling class once again sending us into a middle ages scenario. And we're doing it all to ourselves. I'd say that is pretty embarrassing, no?
My parents and many relatives barely survived the cultural revolution, and there were countless people who weren’t so lucky. How dare people nowadays say that their feelings are hurt by this depiction. Tell the truth to the world
My ancestor got out of dodge juuuuust in time. Like, just barely. If it were a literal bullet, it would be that anime trope where it blows a hole in someone's hair XD
@@hees320one of my uncles coworkers went to Russia to inspect some oil refinery somewhere in Siberia. He got thrown into a van and taken to the basement of some building where he was held for questioning for 3 days. This guy used to be in the US army and they wanted him to give advanced information about how US munitions are manufactured. On the same trip he and his translator witnessed a violent domestic abuse situation but the translator told him to say nothing because if he said anything he would get fired. Beautiful Russia 🇷🇺
@@enolopanr9820 uhu, source: trust me.. Btw you should be really silent yank ahum guantanamoahum ahum bay.. I work in Russia they are exactly the same as democrats with different narratives..
the fact i never watched the show or know what it is about, but the first episode of the cultural revolution was so good, I want whatever Netflix series is making to explore the cultural revolution
It’s honestly hilarious how on one hand they relentlessly bully smaller nations in the South China Sea and then on the other hand they cry at any thing they don’t agree with and pretend they’re a victim 😂
Except this isn’t true. China and the ccp generally look down upon the cultural revolution. They even mention the changing opinions on it in the show lmao
Lol, this is a hilariously stupid lie. Anyone who thinks Chinese commentators dislike the Netflix version because of the "cultural revolution scene" obviously hasn't seen the Chinese (Tencent) version of 3BP, which devotes a far greater portion of a far longer show to depict the suffering caused by the cultural revolution, & its impact on Ye Wenjie - a central character of the book (as the original author intended). In fact, it's the Netflix version that completely downplayed the cultural revolution & reduced it to an 8-minute side plot in an 8-hour season.
That scene is extremely plot relevant. Its the main motivation for one of the main characters to make a decision that is pretty much the inciting incident of a war that lasts hundreds of years while also setting up a theme that doesn't pay off until the thrid book when humanity finally learns the truth about the history of the universe. I also think the scene in the context of the rest of the series is an authentic political expression by the author about the cultural revolution in general. So of course the ccp is butthurt about it because someone is expressing their opinions.
modern ccp is ruled by cultural revolution victims like president Xi. and the author basically praised modern China by compare it to cultural revolution era.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 To be fair, I've read the Three Body Problem series, and the characters are really flat. The book is more about the human scale story, so the individual characters aren't very well developed. So Netflix made the characters more interesting, and since it's not historical and is just an adaptation they used a cast that might resonate with the audience. Seems fine to me.
They might be talking about the entire book as a whole. The author put both the 1970s and the 2000s setting of Book 1 in China to contrast the past chaos of the Cultural Revolution with the modern and optimistic progress of modern China. The Netflix series completely erased this contrasting theme by taking the modern 2000s setting out of China and putting it in the UK.
The nationality of the characters had only been altered to bring it to the global audience. All the important stuff that relies on the nationality of a character has stayed the same. Also, china makes itself look bad all on its own.
Asians are almost the same, it's like bringing a Korean and Chinese actor to tell me the difference or bringing an Algerian and Somalian black man to act in the American Civil War. Those slanted eyes make it harder to distinguish their nationality. I bet they felt exposed to their history, at least the West doesn't give a shit if their government is terrible.
I mean, you can say fhat and be “right” that it’s painting China in a bad light… but Netflix has also painted america in every era of it’s existence as bad in multiple other shows. I think they can take the shaming of the Revolution into account.
So much worse, it's not even surprising China is complaining about the series, considering how pandering to modern companies and trends their series is always shoving in
"Gang of One: Memoris of a Red Guard" is a non-fiction account of these times from former Chinese, now American Fan Shen. Excellent read on those times in China. Very brutal.
I remember the author, Liu Cixin being pro-CCP in an interview where he regurgitated the Chinese propaganda of the Uyghurs receiving " vocational teaining" in those prisons. Plus in other movies based on his books, the Chinese government is seen as rational and helping humanity while the West especially the U.S. are seen as dangerous or as buffoons hindering humanity's advancement.
@@arkamukhopadhyay9111lmao America is doing far more to develop humanity than China ever has. Please drop your address so I can prevent you from voting in the future.
As an Amerrcan, when I visited China I never spent a minute with non-Chinese. I spent some time in Mongolia. My guide was often a Mongolian whose education was sciut off by the Cultural Revolution. He and many I met hayed Mao.
Mao's policies were responsible for a vast number of deaths, with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 million victims due to starvation, persecution, prison labour, and mass executions, and his government has been described as totalitarian.
Real nationalists are not afraid to address the wrongs of the past. They love their country despite its shortcomings. Every country has committed crimes. Only by embracing the truth will we better avoid repeating past errors.
@@fletcherenfield9474 "Patriots" comes from "Patriarchy", which can have negative connotations as well. Almost all political stances have good / idealistic concepts as well as bad / negative connotation as what happens in the mind is different than what happens in reality. For example, in USA, we have "The Founding Fathers" and, therefore, Patriotism and Nationalism CAN be seen as one thing but not always. Nationalism implies "of or relating to a Nation" which does not need to embrace xenophobia, like Japan. I say American Nationalism is very Straight-forward / Upfront / Brutally Honest with Mercantile Flair -- We all always want to ensure we're getting the product we were promised in Advertisements and, regardless if the issues are logical or not to the product itself (i.e. not counting delivery), people WILL let others know how they feel about the product.
Ironicly I discovered this yt channel after watching this show, I started taking interest in whats going on in china cuz of this series and found out this thankfully
Fake news and disinformation.🤡 Lots of Foreigners residing in PRC right now ... recording their experiences with ordinary Chinese ... posting it on CZcams .
The novel doesn’t paint China as some evil authoritarian society. The point about using the cultural revolution is to demonstrate the cruelty within mankind and that any large group of people can be manipulated.
I remember the articles when Netflix started working on this. They literally _could not_ get Chinese actors to participate. The death threats were very real.
If you're enjoying it, I highly recommend you read the novels, or the audiobooks released, a fantastic trilogy and the author lived through the cultural revolution in China as a young boy, has experiences reflect heavily on the writing
My godmother was in china dueing this time and ahe said they stole her violin and burned it with a bunch of other instruments. She was an incredible player and couldve liked made a career out of it. She said her first thought when seeing it burn was that they were setting fire to the futures of every chibese person.
Can't believe I'll say this, but if you want to watch the 3 body Problem that's actually good, watch the Chinese version. It's very close to the book and slow paced. The Chinese one covered the first book using so many episodes, while the netflix one jumped around 3 books, even skipping some major events. Like wtf, this is expected from the directors that ruined the final season of GOT and the company that is notorious for producing dogcrap shows and cancelling the good ones
My Chinese university friends, were surprised to learn Chinese history from easily available books in our libraries at school. One of them said... they even have photos! Is this true? I said yes, this is not even that long ago.
“You made us look like a dictatorship”
Netflix: “Well…” *looks at script* “Yeah”
This is probably first time I'm on Netflix side for this
"how dare you, telling everybody the truth"
How to make China look bad.
1. Describe China.
2. Describe China's history.
"you have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide" while china has everything to worry about also while trying to hide everything
Literally hating that they are shown who they’re proud of being. Of course
As a German, let me just tell you that nothing good will ever come from denying or canceling your country's history.
True.. Even though German is the main antagonist in ww2, but past is the past
There's this proverb that goes something like "Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it".
In some European countries you can see that happening right now.
You should also tell of the consequence to Japanese whose attempt to deny or even rewrite the history especially the one involving their atrocious crimes against Chinese and other Asian neighbors during WW2 can easily top the league.
What we are seeing now in the United States, where students are being beaten, doxed, having their lives ruined for their desire for peace and to stop ethnic cleansing and genocide (this is how they see it, whether anyone disagrees or not) should deeply concern everyone.
We now see a majority of politicians in both parties aligning against them. In fact, the House of Representatives just approved a law that redefines antisemitism as also being any speech that criticizes the nation of Israel - a flagrant violation of our freedom of speech.
All this is to say that I worry we are moving closer to a twisted version of what Germany became, out of some mutated allegiance with the fascists of Israel that arose as a backlash to their history and the decades of violence in and around their borders.
Even here in mexico, gvmnt in the 20th century had its share of very ugly incidents..
I think no country is a saint, even today..
And this scene is in the original novel - but "hidden" in the middle so as to not attract too much attention. The author says he always intended for it to be at the beginning.
It's in the beginning in the translated version
I was always surprised how much Cixin got away with in his books. Considering so many of them include criticisms of many parts of Chinese government. As well as including western entities as sometimes superior to China
Wait, the struggle session is in the middle? Is that the Chinese version?
@@Retrogamepak yes
I heard on NPR! In translated versions, it's also at the beginning.
Most criminals get mad when they're exposed
Edit: Thank you guys/gals for reciprocating the truth!
Blacks and Muslims
Except the Chinese people aren’t criminals, they’re the victim, just washed to think that they’re not
most of the country buried their own sins to keep young generation straight to current problem not past time. and also they probably afraid this movie lead to propaganda, which is creating another problem in future generation
Netflix is trying to embarrass China? China is doing that themselves, Netflix is just telling the story.
So true
Nobody is painting China in a negative light, people are just shining a light on China's negativity :)
aka the truth
Well said 👏
Damn. That's a good way to put it.
This is how it is in asian society 😂
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165exploit the Chinese market? I don’t think people in China will be permitted to watch this so that just cuts down the huge Chinese market by billions… do you think if Netflix hadn’t depicted the violence graphically China would allow its citizens to see it?
USA: Make kungfu panda ccp get angry because its cartoony
USA: Make three bodies ccp gets angry because its too realistic
The CCP is just mad because they don't get to control what people say anymore when they leave China 😂
Kongfu panda was well liked in China
Kung Fu Panda was an absolute hit in China. Actually to the point where they were surprised they were sad that westerners represented them better then their own countrymen. I understand we dislike CCP, but let’s not spread misinformation.
@@theonetheonlygod1351 Liked by (some of) the people*
Not by the CCP
It's not just CCP are mad, all Chinese are. And you told us CCP is not equal Chinese people. Turns out, majority is equal to CCP
Don't worry, China. Netflix didn't make me think negatively of you, I already did
That first scene actually really surprised me when I watched it. Didn’t expect Netflix to have the spine to depict China like that. Usually companies are too afraid. Thought it was really refreshing
Same.. they need to stop bowing down to
China and making them look like innocent virtuous people.. they need to show them for who they really are and what their true history consists of..
Dude, the first scene literally establishes Ye Wenjie's character. I thought even the CCP version would just rush through it, not censor it entirely. Without it, looks like she just grumpy one day and decided "I hate humans lol. I think I'll betray humanity to an alien power." 😂
Netflix is already banned/blocked in China, so what further consequences could there be for the company?
@@melia1426 Ah I didn’t know that. Makes sense. Though I would’ve expected Netflix to be on their best behaviour in a bid to get in
Netflix not caring about pleasing the Chinese is the only good thing about current day Netflix.
That's quiet not true! CCP has been very successful for years when it comes to manipulating uncomfortable films, especially in Hollywood and on streaming services. They usually obey because they are afraid of losing the large Chinese market
@@RussnsRsubHumns Then how come I been able to watch “7 Years in Tibet” on Netflix? A movie China really despises and has gotten Brad Pitt banned from the country? Netflix doesn’t care about gaining business with them.
@@RussnsRsubHumns I think you misread what he typed. While you're correct, Hollywood does seem to be afraid to lose china's business, it would appear Netflix in particular was not afraid to shed some light on China...
@@RussnsRsubHumns Then explain why I have been able to watch “7 Years in Tibet” in Netflix? A movie that the CCP despises and got Brad Pitt banned in China just by being its lead role. Maybe Netflix will caw tow to China again in the future, but right now, it doesn’t seem to be doing so.
@@RussnsRsubHumns”only good thing about current day Netflix” read again.
If it made China mad, I'm gonna watch it.
i wonder why we speak about countries like we speak about persons. there are marginal amount of bad people in china like there are marginal amount of bad people anywhere else. lets stop speaking about leaders of the country like they represent all
Same
Me too! I read the book, and I'm sure the show will be so tame compared to how horrible (and realistic and terrifying) the book was. It accurately showed the horrific dystopia of China and the CCP hates that.
@@cosmicmuffin322they skip a lot of the description of those times. But the visual of it is brutal
Well then you maybe disappointed because in reality China doesn't really care, the book is already best seller in China in its uncensored format and Netflix is not available in China without special VPN.
The Chinese media also made a version of movie adaptation about two years prior - pretty decent - that they did remove a lot of scenes from the book.
Also this is a meme channel mascarading as actual news. Try fact check his shorts and they're mostly exaggerated or out right untrue. Chinese hate is profitable.
I've never understood why the CCP doesn't own up to their history. They act like the German tour guide in Family Guy when Brian asks why they don't talk about their history from 1939 to 1945. The German guide says, "Everyone was on vacation! We were invited! Check with Poland! I will hear no more insinuations about the German people! Nothing bad happened!!"
i thought a lot of germany was like that, nobody wants to talk about what happened around then, because it's something noone wants to talk about.
Because CCP will lose power, as simple as that.
Why don't you understand? They want to appear good. Duh. I don't gets what's hard to understand about it.
Also in Singapore. Maybe it's the Chinese blood of wanting to look superior.
Also Japan plays part as well, regarding historical events. Shame on these countries
It's not making China look bad, it's showing people what China really is... Bad.
Real Chinese actors might not want to be in it and that’s why they didn’t use a lot…
Many characters were rewritten to be from an anglophone perspective and to have more depth to improve how well Western audiences would receive the material.
Any Chinese actor would be blacklisted in China if they got involved in this project. Netflix had no choice but to hire non Chinese actors.
@@richard1493a chinese face would take them out of the immersion? Asian people exist in the west, in stem positions too.
@@Drownedinblood that’s one hell of a take considering that the cast includes Jess Hong, Rosalind Chao, even Benedict Wong.
@@richard1493 I'm aware and they are the only ones and outside of Benedict Wong and are not really major roles. They split Wang miao into multiple characters and not a single one is asian.
"If exposing crimes is treated like a crime, you are run by criminals."
-Somebody I used to know
YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CUT ME OFFFF
@@Rare_Spore_Fan MAKE OUT LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENANTHATWEWERENOTHING
@@mozziegang I DIDN'T EVEN NEED YOUR LOVE
I mean wouldn’t that make the US criminal for all the people like Julian Assange
YOU TREAT ME LIKE A STRANGER AND IT FEELS SO ROUGH
Right, china makes tv shows and movies that makes other countries look bad through lies but the second a tv show makes china look bad through truth they get furious, that’s funny 😂
CCP China doesnt need anyone to put them in a negative light, they can handle doing that themselves
The Chinese were talking about "Oh that scene isn't in the book". It is, it's just buried in the narrative in the Chinese version. The author wanted the scene at the beginning like in the series and internation versions of the book, but his publisher was worried about the outcry it would cause so buried it in the middle where it would cause less outcry
What is annoying is that Tencent version washed over the 1970s Cultural Revolution setting (ignoring the CR's brutality) while this Netflix series washed over the 2000s modern setting by completely taking it out of China and setting it in the UK (ignoring how the modern setting was supposed to contrast with the past chaotic setting). Both adaptations have been unfaithful to the books.
Yeah it’s definitely in the beginning in English version
I mean, we have to forgive a measure of material in adaptation. Sometimes a scene, or even a character, makes sense in print but doesn’t work in film because we lose that interiority or insight.
@@tenebrousjones4897 it doesn't make sense to be in China and has to be based in England?
@@Intranetusayup, netflix had to do diversity casting and set it in the UK so they could genericize it to death and give it “broad appeal.” It sucks, turned it off after two episodes.
Lol the CCP should read the Three Body Problem, cause what the series depicts is nothing compared to the book…
😮😮
Its always funny when ru/chinese bots want to distract with strawmans and whataboutism, mainly with the US. Lol
They cant
Yeah, the opening chapter is literally the reason for Earth's betrayal. We're so cruel to each other and the environment that one of the main characters naively thought that advanced aliens could save us.
Do you think the book is banned? You don't understand the themes do you?
- They paint our country as dark, tyrannical and anti-human existence!!!
+ Well… don't be dark, tyrannical and anti-human existence then
All I can say is that I’m glad studios are finally making this stuff and not letting China have a stranglehold over them. I can’t tell you how many films I’ve worked on where entire scenes were cut in post, edited around, or reshot with new poorly integrated storylines featuring China just so the film would get money at the Chinese box office. It was really pathetic pandering that was so cheap and obvious.
The history was more bloody than this.
imagine how many innocent childrens and women white christian burned i think china pale in comparison
I kind of feel for Netflix
Depict history incorrectly (Cleopatra), get sued by the country they misrepresented.
Depict history and the novel correctly (three body) and still get harassed by the country they represent.
You just can't win.
It very much was, however there are limitations on what they can really show without running into problems.
@@driftingwolf0The problem is the country is China where the nationalists get angry at even the smallest things, but maybe nationalists will always get angry even if its historically accurate about their country.
@@driftingwolf0 if it any other country then china then you can win if you depict history correctly if it china you can't
"Stop making us seem like tyrannical and evil state of immoral sociopaths!"
"But... you are"
Erased religion Check
Mobile execution vans Check
Corruption Check
Bad Sewers Check
Bad Construction Check
Terrible Regulations Check
Pollution Check
But a movie is going to far
@EarlFaulk are you talking about Michigan? 😅
Not really .
It's both misinformation and disinformation in order to demonize and dehumanize .
@@mynameisvisutinnaddaFlint Michigan looks like Dubai compared to China.
@@EarlFaulk forgot about the slave labor camps
When people or governments are called out for what they truly are, they never are happy about that
No one needs to try to make China look bad. China does that all by themselves.
The author lived through the cultural revolution... The entire sci-fi concept is a metaphor for his lived experience.
What is sad is the author put both the 1970s and the 2000s setting of Book 1 in China to contrast the past chaos of the Cultural Revolution with the modern and optimistic progress of modern China. The Netflix series completely erased this contrasting theme by taking the modern 2000s setting out of China and putting it in the UK. The Tencent version was unfaithful in ignoring parts of the Cultural Revolution/1970s Chinese setting, and the Netflix version is even more unfaithful by completely erasing the 2000s Chinese setting.
This was the opening for both the Netflix show as well as the English adaptation. However in the original Chinese book, though this scene was supposed to be the opening, the author stuck it somewhere in the middle in fear of being prosecuted for having it as the opening. Kind of depressing and further shows the lack of freedom of speech in that country
The Chinese government doesn't need any help making itself look bad, it's doing that job on it's own.
Sadly so does ours lately, 🤦♀️.
@@NomadicCreatorone example?
@@cisarovnajosefina4525 pick any Western country sadly. Any which support Ukraine. Any which is attacking its own population for speaking truth. Any which peddles illusions. Any which cry depopulation whilst doing it's all to kull the population. Any which helps dumb down its own population. I'm Canadian and what hasn't Trudeau done to embarrass us? I don't have enough fingers. We won't mention Biden. And Australia who arrests their own instead of Chinese thugs who create trouble, kind of like the pro Hamas protesters. We're so worried about being labelled a ridiculous word we stop standing up for truth. What about allowing chaos with open borders so society collapses forcing people to rely on the government succumbing to a ruling class once again sending us into a middle ages scenario. And we're doing it all to ourselves. I'd say that is pretty embarrassing, no?
@@cisarovnajosefina4525supporting israel
@@cisarovnajosefina4525AIPAC
Getting offended by truth is peak 2024.
Nobody has to work very hard to make China look bad, they do that all by themselves.
My parents and many relatives barely survived the cultural revolution, and there were countless people who weren’t so lucky. How dare people nowadays say that their feelings are hurt by this depiction. Tell the truth to the world
My ancestor got out of dodge juuuuust in time. Like, just barely. If it were a literal bullet, it would be that anime trope where it blows a hole in someone's hair XD
@@herplederpledoodledooor when the bullet passed between the bewbs in that zombie one 😂
"They're trying to make China look bad!"
"You guys do that all on your own.."
Russia: First time?
@@ververdil8296 Dang
@@ververdil8296never traveled. 😂
@@hees320one of my uncles coworkers went to Russia to inspect some oil refinery somewhere in Siberia. He got thrown into a van and taken to the basement of some building where he was held for questioning for 3 days. This guy used to be in the US army and they wanted him to give advanced information about how US munitions are manufactured. On the same trip he and his translator witnessed a violent domestic abuse situation but the translator told him to say nothing because if he said anything he would get fired.
Beautiful Russia 🇷🇺
@@enolopanr9820 uhu, source: trust me.. Btw you should be really silent yank ahum guantanamoahum ahum bay.. I work in Russia they are exactly the same as democrats with different narratives..
People dont need to make china look bad, they do that themselves.
Chinas national phrase: "if you can cheat, the cheat"
Winnie the Pooh is mad because he can't have his honey and eat it.
How dare you make fun of CCP’s head maggot?!
But it's China, it's not real honey, it's just sugar syrup
@@blackcountrymeif you're lucky its even real sugar syrup honestly
@@polarpak4526It’s gutter oil soaked sugar cane
This scene was written in book as it is. It is the main reason for a main character to betray mankind.
This is like Germans getting mad at a movie about Hitler which made Germany look like a tyrannical government.
Netflix: I’m sorry our show is too accurate
China is mad when there are clouds in the sky.
And clouds gather most in their capital all the time
china is mad when their lives are miserable
Beijing/ccp looks bad on its own, no need to change it
Nah... it's all misinformation and disinformation by U$-led anti-Chinese agenda.
The author didn't depict his nation as "anti-human" or inhumane .
I wonder how mad they’ll get if an adaptation of “Red Scarf Girl” is made
the fact i never watched the show or know what it is about, but the first episode of the cultural revolution was so good, I want whatever Netflix series is making to explore the cultural revolution
Only the weakest and most fragile regimes protest like the CCP. The truly strong and confident just ignore the yapping critics.
It’s honestly hilarious how on one hand they relentlessly bully smaller nations in the South China Sea and then on the other hand they cry at any thing they don’t agree with and pretend they’re a victim 😂
Idk, they seem to be holding on to power pretty well
Except this isn’t true. China and the ccp generally look down upon the cultural revolution. They even mention the changing opinions on it in the show lmao
@portablecar5328 The current CCP aren't nice people either
Tbf most international audiences already see China in a negative light with or without this show
Netflix: We are not casting a negative light in China. We are just using regular light on history
CCP DOES NOT NEED ANY HELP TO LOOK BAD
Lol, this is a hilariously stupid lie. Anyone who thinks Chinese commentators dislike the Netflix version because of the "cultural revolution scene" obviously hasn't seen the Chinese (Tencent) version of 3BP, which devotes a far greater portion of a far longer show to depict the suffering caused by the cultural revolution, & its impact on Ye Wenjie - a central character of the book (as the original author intended). In fact, it's the Netflix version that completely downplayed the cultural revolution & reduced it to an 8-minute side plot in an 8-hour season.
Exactly. It was much harsher in the book too. Politics are watered down in the Netflix version.
That scene is extremely plot relevant. Its the main motivation for one of the main characters to make a decision that is pretty much the inciting incident of a war that lasts hundreds of years while also setting up a theme that doesn't pay off until the thrid book when humanity finally learns the truth about the history of the universe. I also think the scene in the context of the rest of the series is an authentic political expression by the author about the cultural revolution in general. So of course the ccp is butthurt about it because someone is expressing their opinions.
I thought the main reason why she contacted the trisolorians was because of overall stuff like wars not the cultural revolution
@@__-nd5qi the book described her remembering her father as she was contemplating pushing the button iirc. He was killed by revolutionaries.
@@AveragePearEnjoyer okay
modern ccp is ruled by cultural revolution victims like president Xi. and the author basically praised modern China by compare it to cultural revolution era.
and in case you don't know, the vice president of China hosted a official meeting with the author and told him he was a big fan of this book.
China: Hey our country is great and no one disagrees
Random guy: I disagree
*GUN* *SHOTS*
China: No one
Netflix posting history:
China "hey, that no approved history"
Hold on, they're mad that there was not enough Chinese actors in a movie that makes them look bad......o k
FX Shogun didn't alter the Japanese characters.
🤷
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 To be fair, I've read the Three Body Problem series, and the characters are really flat. The book is more about the human scale story, so the individual characters aren't very well developed. So Netflix made the characters more interesting, and since it's not historical and is just an adaptation they used a cast that might resonate with the audience. Seems fine to me.
@@fallen546agree.
They might be talking about the entire book as a whole. The author put both the 1970s and the 2000s setting of Book 1 in China to contrast the past chaos of the Cultural Revolution with the modern and optimistic progress of modern China. The Netflix series completely erased this contrasting theme by taking the modern 2000s setting out of China and putting it in the UK.
The nationality of the characters had only been altered to bring it to the global audience. All the important stuff that relies on the nationality of a character has stayed the same.
Also, china makes itself look bad all on its own.
The Three Bodies Problem is the most popular science fiction novel in China. There’s absolutely no issue for the Author in China.
Chinese Communists * I am picky with that word as the Nationalists are in 2 places Taiwan or exile now sadly.
the CIA money must be pretty good
"Waaah you're making us look bad!"
They scream, not realizing just how easy it is to do so.
They done it themselves
A Chinese guy wrote the book, they're mad at their own
@@froglegstastebestsalted
False .
They're angry at the opening's graphic violent scene which wasn't in the book .
They've the right to complain .
The depiction of violence in the opening scene. And the altering of the characters race .
Asians are almost the same, it's like bringing a Korean and Chinese actor to tell me the difference or bringing an Algerian and Somalian black man to act in the American Civil War. Those slanted eyes make it harder to distinguish their nationality. I bet they felt exposed to their history, at least the West doesn't give a shit if their government is terrible.
Womp womp honeybears mad about honey
I mean, you can say fhat and be “right” that it’s painting China in a bad light… but Netflix has also painted america in every era of it’s existence as bad in multiple other shows.
I think they can take the shaming of the Revolution into account.
Shut three body problem already got aired? Nobody told me this,i will go watch the thell out of it
Li Cixin is an absolute genius acting like CCP Loyalist while his books have contents like this. And yes, the struggle session is worse in the book
So much worse, it's not even surprising China is complaining about the series, considering how pandering to modern companies and trends their series is always shoving in
@@dillasoul2228 which is absurd considering how acclaimed the series is even in China
Yeah,he is absolute madlad that enjoy Taking thing to limit.
This channel is so full of shit don't listen to a word he says
Ain’t nobody making china look bad , except China 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The struggle session is a pretty accurate adaptation of what's in the book, which was put in the book by a chinese author
"Gang of One: Memoris of a Red Guard" is a non-fiction account of these times from former Chinese, now American Fan Shen.
Excellent read on those times in China. Very brutal.
Thanks for the recommendation! Will give it a try.
I remember the author, Liu Cixin being pro-CCP in an interview where he regurgitated the Chinese propaganda of the Uyghurs receiving " vocational teaining" in those prisons. Plus in other movies based on his books, the Chinese government is seen as rational and helping humanity while the West especially the U.S. are seen as dangerous or as buffoons hindering humanity's advancement.
Well yeah, it's media made in China. It has to follow their rules or it doesn't get made
So, truth then?
@@arkamukhopadhyay9111 well if you like the CCP...
@@arkamukhopadhyay9111lmao America is doing far more to develop humanity than China ever has. Please drop your address so I can prevent you from voting in the future.
America is the reason people can fly, communists can stfu
As an Amerrcan, when I visited China I never spent a minute with non-Chinese. I spent some time in Mongolia. My guide was often a Mongolian whose education was sciut off by the Cultural Revolution. He and many I met hayed Mao.
Mao's policies were responsible for a vast number of deaths, with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 million victims due to starvation, persecution, prison labour, and mass executions, and his government has been described as totalitarian.
*THE TRUTH ALWAYS HURTS*
Real nationalists are not afraid to address the wrongs of the past. They love their country despite its shortcomings. Every country has committed crimes. Only by embracing the truth will we better avoid repeating past errors.
How can you even know the truth in China? I submit that you can’t.
I think you mean "patriots". "Nationalist" usually has a negative and xenophobic connotation.
@@fletcherenfield9474 "Patriots" comes from "Patriarchy", which can have negative connotations as well. Almost all political stances have good / idealistic concepts as well as bad / negative connotation as what happens in the mind is different than what happens in reality.
For example, in USA, we have "The Founding Fathers" and, therefore, Patriotism and Nationalism CAN be seen as one thing but not always.
Nationalism implies "of or relating to a Nation" which does not need to embrace xenophobia, like Japan. I say American Nationalism is very Straight-forward / Upfront / Brutally Honest with Mercantile Flair -- We all always want to ensure we're getting the product we were promised in Advertisements and, regardless if the issues are logical or not to the product itself (i.e. not counting delivery), people WILL let others know how they feel about the product.
@@Mary-Ann_B_MabaetYour comment starts with outright disinformation so the rest isn't worth reading.
I don’t think you understand who the Chinese nationalists are, those are the Taiwanese people
Netflix, “We’re just following the source material, man.”
Suctioncup man will for sure say to the Chinese government "YOU CANNOT DENY THESE NUTS!!!!!"
It's amazing Netflix did this at all.
Yes, it's weird
books are good and chinese actors are inderused, so, why not?
The show captures the essence of the book pretty well. The character differences are well done
I dont think it needs Netflix to put China in a bad light.
just like the novel "Reverend Insanity"
Trust me THIS ISN'T EVEN REAL HISTORY 😊 THAT'S MORE BLOODY HELL
"painti5china in a negative light." So turning the lights on?
Thanks for the reccs bro. Gonna watch it. Take care
It's giving "why are you booing me, I'm right!"
Ironicly I discovered this yt channel after watching this show, I started taking interest in whats going on in china cuz of this series and found out this thankfully
China when China’s history is put on display: noooo we are good we would never cause the death of millionssss gosh oh gollie
Forever tyrannical. As then and as it continues today 😢
Fake news and disinformation.🤡
Lots of Foreigners residing in PRC right now ... recording their experiences with ordinary Chinese ... posting it on CZcams .
People all over the world can't handle the truth anymore.
I love they keep saying how everything someone does makes them look bad yet they do that just fine themselves 😂
That scene looks straight from the book 🤷♂️
The novel doesn’t paint China as some evil authoritarian society. The point about using the cultural revolution is to demonstrate the cruelty within mankind and that any large group of people can be manipulated.
"There is no war in Ba Sing Se" ahh line
"This video is offensive and makes us look bad!”
“Sir, that’s a mirror.”
I remember the articles when Netflix started working on this. They literally _could not_ get Chinese actors to participate. The death threats were very real.
Womp womp; it’s a great show in all seriousness I highly recommend. Super good cinematography.
If you're enjoying it, I highly recommend you read the novels, or the audiobooks released, a fantastic trilogy and the author lived through the cultural revolution in China as a young boy, has experiences reflect heavily on the writing
the books are fire!
"Hey! Stop bringing up our past! It makes us look bad!"
China doesn`t need anybody help in putting itself in a bad light.
China is very proud that Xi wrote 145 books.😊
To be honest
Xi actually wanted a role for himself not for Mao
China doesn't need help with that. They do it on their own just fine.
My godmother was in china dueing this time and ahe said they stole her violin and burned it with a bunch of other instruments. She was an incredible player and couldve liked made a career out of it. She said her first thought when seeing it burn was that they were setting fire to the futures of every chibese person.
Can't believe I'll say this, but if you want to watch the 3 body Problem that's actually good, watch the Chinese version. It's very close to the book and slow paced. The Chinese one covered the first book using so many episodes, while the netflix one jumped around 3 books, even skipping some major events. Like wtf, this is expected from the directors that ruined the final season of GOT and the company that is notorious for producing dogcrap shows and cancelling the good ones
Just read the books tbh. They are fantastic.
china: dont make us looks bad!
netflix: but you are
China does not need anybody to make them look bad, they achieve that all on their own.
My Chinese university friends, were surprised to learn Chinese history from easily available books in our libraries at school. One of them said... they even have photos! Is this true? I said yes, this is not even that long ago.
china doesnt need to be paint negatively, its already negative by itself
How did go from the #1 economy in the world to the worst economy in the world, say much about China
They used to but ain’t no more
Suddenly they were the No.1 economy? Lollll. Thought the West never recognised that.
“You’re trying to make us look bad!”
“You do that yourself”
I don't think anyone has to "try" to make China look bad, they're doing a great job themselves
Winnie the pooh be fuming right now