Is the Mazda MX-30 R-EV with rotary engine the better EV?
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00:00 What is the Mazda MX30 REV?
01:33 Rotary engine details
03:33 Exterior design and length
04:29 Interior with freestyle doors
06:45 Rear seating
08:18 Storage and battery modes
09:58 Cockpit overview
11:21 Trunk / boot
12:39 Fuel and charging
13:03 Driving motorway with acceleration
17:43 Acceleration hybrid vs EV mode
20:47 Real-world range EV and petrol
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00:00 What is the Mazda MX30 REV?
01:33 Rotary engine details
03:33 Exterior design and length
04:29 Interior with freestyle doors
06:45 Rear seating
08:18 Storage and battery modes
09:58 Cockpit overview
11:21 Trunk / boot
12:39 Fuel and charging
13:03 Driving motorway with acceleration
17:43 Acceleration hybrid vs EV mode
20:47 Real-world range EV and petrol
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This car makes sense: You can use the batteries for local commuting, school runs, pop into town for some groceries. And then, unlike with the pure EV, you can also take your car on long road trips. No range anxiety, no time wasted planning a trip around charging points. You can hit the road and enjoy it.
Making it a pure EV with longer range would mean bigger batteries. Therefore added weight. Therefore a less agile and less fun car to drive. A constant with Mazda cars is that they're all fun to drive.
Exactly 👍
That intro was German humour at its finest 😂
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Vibes of Raiders of the lost ark.
Keep trying
More funny was seeing a German trying to be funny than the joke itself 😂
This actually makes a ton of sense for PHEV. Most PHEV users barely use their gas engines so all those components are being hauled around as dead weight. Not ideal. So realistically, you want the lightest and most compact gasoline powertrain possible. Even if the efficiency isn't as great as a Toyota Prius engine, it doesn't matter that much because it is just a back-up powerplant in a mostly battery driven car. It is inefficient to haul around a big engine that is not used too so the rotary makes perfect sense for a PHEV. There when you need it (which will not be often) but it won't weigh the car down much and make the battery work harder than necessary. Seems like a really well balanced and logical platform. I'd buy one!
I wonder what Mazda have done about the high servicing costs of rotary engines, and how are the apex seals lubricated?. Right up to the last purely rotary engine (Rx8) they suffered from high emissions, short life expectancy and poor fuel economy.
i think u are mistaking : a contrario, all phev relies a lot on their gaz engine since the battery is small and the electric consumption is higher since the petrol engine is heavy
yea but Rotary promises light petrol engine@@vivienstaehle1326
@@onecookieboy I’m also enthused about this car b/c all the shortcomings of the rotary engine have been addressed/negated by this smart, limited use of it… namely at speed which also eliminates starting problems. With the average commute in the US being 40 mi/day, if charged regularly the rotary will likely be used sparingly on trips at highway speeds.
The Mazda MX-30 R-EV is the worst of both worlds.
It is inefficient both as an EV and as a hybrid ...
Thanks Thomas, brilliant review helped by your twin brother 😂. Not the most compelling hybrid solution real world but Mazda make quality vehicles with a unique character. That Soul Red Mica finish is beautiful. 👍❤️
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I just love this for its complete quirkiness. Thank you Mazda for making interesting cars.
Maybe it doesn't make sense for Germany: Speedy highways and long distances... But the idea of putting in gas and driving electric for almost 500Km is awesome. Who cares for a little generator noise or efficiency? The really disappointing part of this MX30 REV is the interior packaging. For a 4.4m car, it is really small inside, with a small trunk. Why can't Mazda make spacious vehicles, is beyond my understanding.
Ive always loved the mx-30s design, it's unusual and not for everyone for sure, but I really like it. What made it unworkable for me was the short range (my journey to work and back totals 130 miles) and so this version certainly fixes that. I would definitely buy this version.
Same. This is the closest thing to an RX-8 I could get new in today's world.
@@noseboop4354this is nothing close to an rx8. The rx8 is a sports car this isn’t.
@@noseboop4354That’s not how this car works unfortunately so you aren’t gonna get the same experience. Since the rotary is at a constant rpm and just powers the electric motors only up to 85mph it’s great for commuting but for fun not so much as the rx8
This is where you got it completely wrong. Besides the doors and rotary engine, nothing is similar, not even performance or feel of the engine.@@noseboop4354
Always fascinating to watch your reviews. A range extender is ideal in a country like here in Thailand where the charging infrastructure is woefully inadequate. They might be more complex and have less pure EV range but if I have to drive outside my home city of Chiang Mai it is easier to find hens teeth than a charger and even inside the city there are pitifully few, but there are many petrol stations. So while Mazda might not sell a huge number this car certainly has a good niche appeal.
It is always so refreshing to see a german person with a sense of humor, it gives hope for mankind…….
I am driving the MX-30 as a 2nd car - the reason at that time was the very low leasing price - and I am very happy to drive around it for a reason. I can charge it over night from 0-100 in a Level 2 outlet (240V), I can drive any target back and forth 160 km, if its more I will have to charge once a bit. I also tried for fun and giggles a long distance trip around Germany - well....no fun and no giggles, it's not build for it. But I learned how to deal with EV´s and what is important to know. It's a great city car, compact, light for an EV, perfect for parking anywhere. I don't see at all the value in this rotary app. Mazda does not offer any longer distance EV - this does not help either.
Great honest review! You kinda made my decision to just stick with my MX-30 (non Rev) because I have 100 km total travel to-and-from my job and for that it does just fine, I like the ICE-motor less silence, and the really great feel it has for driving, it makes my work commute not feel like work at all, my 5 year older ICE car, well - that I felt, every minute and it's night an day, can't be compared, not to mention my electrical charging cost is like 50-70 euro every month compared to 300-350 euro in gasoline costs, so it kinda pays for itself that way, with way more driving comfort and actual driving fun, albeit she's not a sports car or a supercar, it's still pretty good for the price, I bought mine second hand for less than 20K euro and that had only 1000 European miles on it, so it was a bargain, can't possibly afford the starter electrical cars in my country that starts at 50-60K euro and is more basic than the Mazda at that price, so right now... the low range is actually an advantage for those looking for their first Electrical car, and it does turn heads for sure.
Thanks alot for the real measurements of the boot. Wish all reviewers would do that 😊
A great review.
As it happens R-EV’s pure electric range of around 50 miles suits most of our journeys as a second car. Because we can fill up at home from renewables, we are not bothered by comparatively low efficiency of it on pure battery. Where it scores for us is the occasional need for the full range and the ability to operate when we are away from home fill up. Being slightly faster than the EV only version is a bonus.
I think if we wanted an EV only, the alternative would be the new Mini Electric, which might be more fun to drive but slightly less practical.
I love the concept of this plug-in hybrid with rotary range extender in this Mazda and just hope they use the power set available in this vehicle in other cars in their line up.
Kids will love the electric seat buttons on the back of the seat.
😂😂😂 Dumbest feature ever if driver can’t disable it.
Great video, Thomas. Cheers!
Aaa this is dissapointing ...was expecting way better numbers...
Love the intro 😂 and greeaat review as always 👏🔥
Cheers m8!
you may want to check other posts from ppl who actually own the car, you find this guy is off, in more ways than one.
@@gregdee9085 realy? What they say?? Thanks
I'm a sucker for those doors, it's like a better looking i3. If they could just remove the cladding entirely, lower it, maybe stretch out the back end to a coupe and fit the motor back there to drive the rear, maybe a second rotor and larger battery to bump up the power and then figure out the manual part .... Just give us a Modern RX-8
So if the max theoretical range with full battery and full fuel tank is 680km. The best fuel consumption is thus 1l/13,6km (not including the full charging of the battery). If this is true it is a horrible number for such a modern car. Even if you would use it so that you would use the battery the most you are still dragging around a full fuel tank + generator. I really cant see the upsides of this car. Especially if comparable cars such as a Lynk & Co get easily 1l/20km.
2012 Toyota Prius which is literally from more than a decade ago is consistently above 20km/L and I drive spiritedly, never holding back acceleration. This car is truly a fashion choice over anything
That is NOT max range, NOT max fuel consumption. Stop spreading lies. It is mixed range WLTP. It is inefficient at highway speeds. Tests have shown at 130-140 kph it consumes ~8-9l per 100km. At lower speeds it is much more efficient. ~6l rural driving max 100 kph, less than 3l in slow urban traffic. So don't make up bs lies on your own.
Also your comparison with the Lynk is another BLATANT lie. OBVIOUSLY that only gets 1l on the FIRST 100km with a full battery. The Mazda has a pure EV range of 85 km mixed (in city driving it can also do 100 km pure EV), so it can do the first 100 km with 1l too... In hybrid mode the Lynk doesn't get any better fuel economy than the Mazda, anyone can look up tests of the Lynk and see that it needs 7l+ if the battery is empty. For example ADAC test, 7,6l per 100km in hybrid mode.
Your Prius can't drive 80+ km without using any petrol. Also it's not a crossover / SUV, much lower air drag. Acceleration is worse.@@michaelan9688
Imo the competition for this car are regular PHEVs
And Mazda is a bit cheaper to buy
and might be cheaper in maintenance as well, because the petrol engine is not connected to the gearbox.
But the car desperately needs towing capacity.
Imo towing is the main use case for PHEVs.
This car should have just got the 4 cylinder from the mazda 3
I'm the owner of a 2023 Mazda MX-30 GS as my first EV because I like the look & finish and the way it handles. Price wise, it's pretty good as Mazda offers a 4000$ rebate and another 12000$ in rebates from the federal & provincial governments (Quebec, Canada). I have to say I use it as a second vehicle to do all my shopping/groceries/meetings etc... all within 40 km from my house and I won't use it during winter time (October 31 to may 01). I understand the range is said to be 160 km but I've done more than 180 km on rural roads & city roads and it was showing15% left! I forgot to mention, my average is 16 kwh/100 km. So if you add the rotary engine with a smaller battery, you may as well just get a Toyoya Corolla or Prius hybrid which will do 4.5L/100 km average or an EV with a range of 360 km (minimum) instead of 7L/100 once you've reach 70 km on the battery on the MX-30 R-EV, no? 🤔
This is the same concept as a i3 Rex. I had one and it was an excellent car when charging infrastructure was poor. This concept isn’t needed anymore.
No, it’s not the same concept. Really not.
Haha first steps for movie acting for Thomas. A nice refreshing video from the channel . I like it .
Loved the review and the humour 😂
In Germany (and probably most other countries?) this is the LOWEST priced PHEV on the market, but at the same time has a MUCH longer pure EV range than all similarly priced PHEVs - german prices (date 5.10.2023) and pure EV range:
Mazda MX-30 REV: € 35.990 - 85 km
Kia Niro PHEV: € 38.690 - 65 km
MG EHS PHEV: € 38.790 - 52 km
Kia Ceed Kombi PHEV: € 37.890 - 50 km
Mitsubishi ASX PHEV: € 39.390 - 48 km
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV: € 37.490 - 45 km
I hope this drivetrain will be offered in the next generation Mazda 2, it should fit size wise bc of the rotary engine.
it is also the only one that has 11kw three-phase charging AND DC fast charging, making it much more practical
also the same sort of money as a model 3... when you put it like that, it's pretty shit.
Just 16 kWh battery. So now people can't say that MX-30 is an EV. Now it's just a Hybrid. Even some PHEV have bigger batteries than that.
This drivetrain seems perfect for most of the US -- for most people there's enough electric range to cover a typical day's driving, but on a longer road trip you have the advantage of quick and easy refueling. Unfortunately this body style (pretty though it may be) won't appeal to most American buyers -- the suicide doors, the tiny and cramped back seat, and the lack of quickness, and the disappointing fuel efficiency rule out most market segments I can imagine that would be interested in a smaller vehicle.
16:28 yes there are parameters, it's just "traffic jam assist", so for slower speeds. new Mazda3 and CX-30 just got a highway steering system (and a 10+ inch screen), surprised the R-EV wasn't updated with this stuff
(and that green steering wheel symbol comes on for lane keep assist which is what you just experienced. i don't know what traffic jam assist's symbol is)
It is basically a two-seat hatchback sedan EV with a gas range extender, intended for solo commuting within the EV-only range.
I own one…. You are exactly right…. Driving as a daily commuter on the Autobahn going 144 KM an hour at 45 percent battery I average 10.7 liters per 100km. My commute 250 km is predominantly autobahn and highways. Using it heavily in charge mode has me add one liter of 0-20 Mazda Rotary oil every 2000km. When I use it like you described I am at less than a liter per 100km.
@@czottolo1 So adding oil regularly to rotary engine even tho driving mostly as an EV?
Lol this new format is funny. Good job!
Cheers m8!
best intro yet 👌
See a new character evolving there - love it!!
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Beautiful design! Excellent video!
Loved that intro 😂👌🏾👌🏾
21:21 Achssprung!!! What a payoff to that setup earlier, how did you manage that super smooth transition, abit like the dual nature of the car 🤯
Love the that twist ❤
cheers m8 :)
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Beautiful little car.
So 85 km of electric range out of 17.8kw battery, that is not very good and then bit over 500 km out of 50 liters of petrol, that is miserable economy.
I think for city driving this kind of hybrid is more efficient than the other type of hybrid.
i watched other reviewers, mostly italian and spanish for the last few days, they managed to get from 4.2 to 5.5 average fuel consumption. of course those who had full time charging mode ON, used more than 14.0 l
I love how a couple rode by, and the bloke turned his head but wife (?) kept going - this happens to heaven knows how many families 😁
I like most things about this car, especially the EV drivetrain supported by a range extender engine, but I couldn't live with these awkward rear doors which seem to give you the worst of all worlds.
imagine it is a coupe with 3 doors. Difficult to get to the rear seat right ? everytime you need to move the front seats. Then magically, you have the small reverse door at the back so you dont need anymore to move the front seats.
Do you see that vireo quality improved? like they added polarization filter? Nice picture
I tried the electric version when it came out, it was lovely but a real world sub 100mi was a deal breaker.
That and the suicide doors.
@@callmeedaddy Seem triggered, dad.
I like it much more with the rotary.
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It’s a great idea, just an oddball execution. I’m a Mazda fan, owning a Mazda 6GT with a cool skyactive engine for great gas mileage. The concept is great but it would be even better if you took that drivetrain and put it in my Mazda 6. You’d have a useable back seat with real doors and the more slippery shape of the sedan would probably get better mileage and be a nice alternative to a Camry or even a Tesla Model 3.
Electrify the Mazda 6!
I wished we had a proper car with this concept but IMO Mazda just playing around with this car rather than making a practical car
Love the intro 😅
The European and American will totally ban this genius marvelous creation as stated in history.
May well be a good solution in a rural context.
Particularly is there are very few public charging options - or your region is subject to occasional power outages.
to answer your question....as a driver, I think YES. It relieves the range anxiety of the pure ev. Pure EVs needs a significant amount of infrastructure meaning charging stations around the city/country. If your city/country can not support that then pure EVs are not a good idea....yet.
According to Mazda, MX30 is an experimental car hence why the name starts with M and not C. Future Mazda plans are to further develop the Rotary Engine with different types of fuel consumption aside from gasoline.
You appear to discount the most obvious use case.
For a commuter car that travels perhaps 50km in a day, you'll never need the rotary engine.
The engine is there to deal with range anxiety. To go anywhere without worry.
For most people, this car may as well be pure electric.
It is Pareto Optimal. Run as a pure EV 80% of the time (or more), and with the engine 20% of the time.
I think there is value in the lighter weight, and thus a lighter use of resources in the initial construction.
You are correct. This IS the lifestyle this vehicle was created for. The Rotary Engine will be rarely used. Home (and work) charging will be an absolute necessity - it’s for a very specific lifestyle with the Wankel Extender Unit as a last resort - not as a daily continuous primary propulsion (assist) system.
Is it OK to leave the fuel unused for a long time?
@@stephenhookings1985 Good question; I’ve been thinking the exact same thing. Especially in the UK with the dodgy E10 Petrol being peddled to motorists as a green solution. That stuff degrades pretty quickly in the tank - apart from the dire lacklustre performance your engine produces when running on it.
I also wonder whether E10 is good for the MX-30 R-EV at all?
I like the efforts from Mazda to keep the Rotary Engine alive whatever the cost or the reasons...
You can setup the battery levels in the infotainment system.
what is the consumption like in charge mode or with battery depleted?
I wanted one of these. I've owned rotaries and they're lovely and smooth on long journeys. I use my RX8 as a long-distance cruiser belting down the motorway.
140kph is too slow for travelling long distances .
only a german can say that
Best concept ewer
Surprising choice from Mazda. Usually they do these as concept cars and never release them. If they can substantially improve the efficiency in a future version, YES, but currently there are other options.
The problem with rotary engines was, and still is, that the seal between cylinders, on the rotary piston, wears out relatively quickly. The RX-8 rotary engine had a life span around 100k - 120k km, after which the whole engine needed to be rebuilt... Here it might be a bit better as it is working in "optimal conditions", but still that's the reason we don't see these engines with other manufacturers
Nice reviews. Th German accent is my favourite part though 🙂
We are looking forward to seeing rotary powered sport coupe EV
"they still need my petrol hehehe"
Untuk orang eropa mungkin kurang logis tapi untuk asia ini sangat membantu dimana tempat pengisian baterai masih sedikit. Menggantinya dengan generator (gasoline) yang mudah di dapat
Reviews starting to come in now for the R-EV model and they are not great..but not a surprise to most I feel.
So much more tempting in this form
Mazda engineers love a challenge. "PHEVs are very complex. How can we flex?" "What about a rotary engine range extender?" "Brilliant!"
The MX30 is a great car, thats the thing it's great to drive, to look at and to sit in. It's just flawed in it's execution and sadly as you say Thomas the two new halves of the system still fails to make a whole. It's still flawed. That said it's still a brilliant, quirky, beautifully made car and Mazda is a brand that's easy to love; there's still a wholesome story there and many will buy this with their hearts and they will enjoy it the most!
rotary is crazy good fit for this application, let it spin. Mazda thnx for doing this.
Hilarious... that attempt (and I say that kindly) at a Yankee accent was priceless.
It won't age well... but I appreciate the entertainment. LOL
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Great video. I wonder which car is better, this MAZDA MX-30 R-EV or the new Hyundai Kona Hybrid N-Line?
12 years ago, GM Chevy Volt and Opel Ampera do it first, and should I dare to say, better... Think about it.
10:28 there's a setting to enable touch for AA/CP. is it missing from MX30?
Its such a beautiful vehicle, if they get it to 200 miles it would absoljtely sell here in the u.s. 100 miles is just 2 short for a country that requires long commutes
So if its turned off cold, will the engine flood? Even as a range extender I wonder how Mazda has handled the previous issues the rx8 and 7 faced. From what I read it will idle at a constant rpm, will this cause carbon build up? I love rotaries but I'm just curious if this is something the average person needs to worry about, along with regular oil top ups.
Nooo, Thomas!! You forgot to mention Autogefühl in your presentation!! 💀
Jokes aside, your German-Texan oil baron cousin, Tom, is quite the funny guy. Maybe you should have him appear more often, eh! 🤣 👏😁
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amazing
Thomas has gigachad potential
Even my little dog can't get comfortable in the back because of these fixed windows. Well done Mazda... It is obviously premium...
I vote more skits at the beginning of every video 😂
Probably great around town and short journeys. Had the mx30 R for 2 days as a rental. Comfortable, quiet, very easy to use lcd interface BUT, after 400 miles of mainly motorway, the cost to refill the fuel tank equalled 38.1 mpg. Doesn't seem good value as the small rotary only powers a generator, not the wheels. My wifes 15yr old Nissan 3.5 V6 does 27mpg on the same journey.
I like it apart from the top speed. In my country, you are limited to 120 anyway on motorway but I've often overtaken cars on country roads and needed more than 144. That is a problem. If it was 180, it would be ok
At the Mazda webpage it says it does 1L of fuel per 100km is that just the first 100km or the whole drive?
I want an Rx-9…please Mazda!
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lol ok that opening got me cracking up... cork will absorb oil and cant be removed .. so any oil or some spills get on it. not good
Cork looks nice when new, but I suspect it will become dirty in no time, as there is no way to clean it properly.
Does it offer one pedal driving, and if so, how well does it work? Thanks for the review--looks like a great little car for someone who only rarely needs to drive longer than the EV range.
No one pedal driving, but you do have pedals on the steering wheel to adjust regen easily up to a strong level.
18:40 power isn't maximum without the rotary engine i see (in EV mode). see the power needle doesn't go to the end this time like it did your previous acceleration test
Thomas. They may have solved the range with putting an engine in but it still a small car inside and 85mph (140 kmh) is very slow. Even for England 😊. Think this is an exercise in a company being seen to do something rather than wanting to do something. A bit like Lexus d their low range expensive cars.
It's a shame they also halved the electric range.
7:44 Thomas testing the rear seat
"Wait a minute , isn't that the hat of the guy we met?".....that made me laugh :))))) ... Thomas congrats for the reviews, also for the cinematic acting ;) , you have it, maybe we will see you in a movie next years to come :)....What do you think is Mazda's approach the Hybrid way to go or Honda EHEV is a better approach ? Maybe a hard question, but just for the talks :).
You can trust Mazda! 😊
A true 'series hybrid' . Well done Mazda
Hi Thomas, I just want to mention a vehicle like this would make perfect sense in our country South Africa. We don't have a fast charger network and actually we hardly have enough electricity to power our homes. So a hybrid would be a nice combination for African countries.
thanks for the feedback !
@@autogefuehl You are very welcome :-) I hope you see you in a Hyundai Ioniq 5 N pretty soonish!
Great car, only criticism from my point of view, it's vastly underpowered.
lot more torque than the petrol version
I liked Good Thomas/Bad Thomas. I wonder what Bad Thomas's favourite colour is... Thomas Black?
The car is definitely more appealing with the rotary engine. If they'd remembered when designing it that people were supposed to fit in the back seats it would be even better. Pity. This powertrain in a Honda Jazz would be nice.
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These range extender cars are not what reviewers EV nerds petrolheads like, but will actually do well with ordinary ppl.
Does it still have the cheap torsion bean rear axle?