Want To STOP Your Bookmaker Accounts Getting Gubbed?
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- How to avoid being gubbed is one of the big questions in matched betting. Its well known that bookmakers restrict the accounts of winners and value takers. This video will provide all the information you need around the subject of bookmaker gubbings.
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When matched betting bookie restrictions are a massive burden, this video will provide you with the top 4 hacks you can apply which can increase the life span of your bookmaker account and allow you to continue making money from matched betting with oddsmonkey.
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If I were a bookmaker - changing the odds to decimal within 30 seconds of opening an account would be a red flag 😆
good point lol
I currently work as a trader for a bookmaker. And I've worked at a few different companies. All bookies will be different but theres lots of reports bookies will print off.
Examples being....
First deposit reports.
New acount reports.
Winning customer reports
Losing customer reports.
Free bet reports.
Racing performance reports (this tells you what percentage of horse racing bets are beating SP - anything above 23 percent is a red flag)
Doing accas won't keep your account open if you're beating the sp on them.
So if your first deposit is £500 or more for example they will be looking in to what you're doing, and if your first 3 or 4 bets seem to be associated with bonuses or whatever you're walking in to the trap.
It also depends on the trader as well, some guys just glancing at accounts might not be thorough and just let the account pass through the system but you'll keep circulating through the system so you're bound to be found out eventually unless you 'mug' your account up.
Any large withdrawals will also be looked at.
I could sit here all day with pointers but a lot of it is common sense. Put yourself in to the shoes of a trader.... Does your account look like a shrewdie/Bonus bagger or a genuine punter?
Whenever I access a new 365 account I'll only deposit £50 or £100 and I'll place some premier League football bets.
Hi, very interesting comment.
What would you consider a large withdrawal? I have around £5000 in one of my accounts and I'm wondering whether withdrawing it in smaller amounts will avoid it being looked at... will this work? Thanks
@@_TJ_0 funnily enough I was looking at a new account today and he split £1000 worth of withdrawals in to 17 withdrawals ranging from £20 to £200. His bets were fine but I did wonder why he did that. If you withdrew £5000 at my firm I'd be looking all over your account. But it depends on the firm and how long you've had the account.
If you've had the account 3 years and are losing 20k the withdrawal will probably pass through but if you're a brand new account and you're clearly shrewd you'd probably be paid and factored down accordingly.
Great video, and love the channel. Small comment as get its hard, but try to look at the lens of the camera rather then yourself on the camera screen, much more captivating for us as viewers. Keep them coming!
Here’s a better idea than your mug bets thing. Take note of which teams you back with which bookie. You aren’t going to back Man U and Man City with the same site. Also, use your mug budget differently, instead of burning a fiver on slots, bankroll this. Take up offer with site A backing team 1. Back team 2 on site B. Back the draw on site C. Use round numbers. Let’s keep it simple and say it’s an even match. You’re backing 1 for 10 so you’re laying for 22.65 or something. Stick a tenner on each and use the exchange for the outstanding difference. Yes it’s less efficient, but you were about to burn a fiver on a slot. What looks more suspicious, betting your regular amount, with no bonus on the team you seem to like. Or, doing an offer and then losing a specific amount on the casino.
Great video mate. I've only just started MBing. I've seen a few videos on this subject and you've highlighted more tips that I can use to hopefully keep my accounts open for as long as possible.
I do wonder how you've managed to keep your accounts open for as long as you have, considering the amount of business you do with bookmakers. I would imagine my monthly targets are quite modest compared to yours so hopefully this will allow me to stay under the radar for longer 🙂
Hi David, thanks for watching my videos, I appreciate it mate. Unfortunately one of the downsides to matched betting are the inevitable gubbings! The best thing to do is scale-up and continue making as much cash as you can whilst your accounts are healthy and unrestricted!
Another great video, very useful for me. Thanks
Not a problem, thanks for watching!
Great stuff! What is considered a good account life for matched betting then would you say? 6 months maybe? A year?
Hi mate, wouldn’t a good way to prolong a gubbing be to take bets where it’s probable the lay bet is more likely to win than the back bet, and thus you register more losing bets with bookmakers and more winning bets with the exchanges, thus obfuscating what you’re doing, to a point?
I was thinking this too. Essentially attempting to not withdraw and re-bet any winnings on the bookie matched with a lay bet on the exchange (similar to what is done on qualifying bets). Eventually, all the winnings will be able to be withdrawn (minus associated fees) from the exchange upon winning with lay bets.
Or, you could just move over to the exchange. They definitely won't restrict your account,.
But they will probably increase your commission if profitable long term.
You can't have it all of your own way, but at least you can continue to make money going forward.
Thanks you so 😢😢
On average how much profit could you make from a bookmaker if you follow all these tips while Arbing?
How much should you stake on mug bets , thanks
There isn't really a perfect answer for this as nobody really knows the answer, bookies want to see their customers betting on bad value if you do this and then lay off your bet on the exchange it's likely you may preserve your accounts for a little longer
Thanks for the Vids! Really helping a beginner. Quick Q; I saw on one of your EP vids you say you can back as many horses on a single bookmaker as they are placing EP's on. So if Bet365 are offering it on 4 horses you would back 4 at Bet365. Would you do that under one account or 4 separate accounts?
Not a problem, thanks for watching them!
That is the rule of thumb for just one account, however, if you want to be more cautious with the account, getting on no more than 2 runners for the EP might also be a good idea
@@ProfitPineapple You're the man for replying 👍🏼. I made my Odssmonkey a/c through your link. Watching your EP vids now to try and get my head around it. OddsMonkey could learn a thing or two from you about explaining the more difficult stuff. They put effort into explaining the Bet X get Y offers but their explanations of the more intricate MB offers leave a lot to be desired for people who are completely new to betting let alone Matched Betting.
Hi I have a question, I’m coming to the end of the sign up offers. Would you recommend going straight into 2 up or would you continue doing daily offer calendar and odds boosts instead?
Both… there aren’t good 2 ups everyday so get on them when you do find good matches.
Focus on whatever you feel comfortable with would be my advice mate, the 2up offer is a great offer but it is fairly different in the way it works in relation to boosts and free bet offers.
The 2up offer is more of an ROI offer, the more you put into it and the more you scale up the more profit you will take out. With free bet offers and boosts the profit you can make is usually a fixed amount but they don't require as much money to put into them
When I'm dutching on horses do I need to avoid having too many horses who are from the same parent company (I.e. Paddy Power and Betfair)? Does this affect whether I might get gubbed?
Its recommended to split up your bets across different accounts as best you can with dutching, this will limit the amount of exposure your bookmaker accounts are taking on
What do you mean by the term arb?
Arb, is short of arbitrage betting. I have a video on CZcams which explains the concept in detail
Great Video! Would it be possible to only withdraw on the exchange? So to re-bet any winnings, matched with a lay on an exchange similar to a qualifying bet. Then continue to do this until most has been lost on the bookmaker giving the appearance of a negative balance, however this would then be found and withdrawable from the exchange who wouldn't care. 0% fees would be essential.
A worth watching and Subbing channel, thanks for the efforts :) a fellow creator :))
I dont understand why they dont like macthbetors if that matchbettors not always winning from the sportbookies but sometimes from exchanges.
Over the long run Matched Bettors win more money off the bookmakers from winning bets than they lose from losing bets, this happens as we use basic maths to defy the house advantage. Bookmakers only cater to punters who bet on gut feeling and do not bet at value
I don't disagree with any of your techniques to avoid being gubbed, however one thing puzzles me. You often refer in this and your other videos to "taking value from the bookmakers", and that is what I don't understand. When I make the required number of bets in a week in order to receive a free bet some of them win and some of them lose, in fact, because the bookmaker stipulates longer odds on the qualifying bets, more lose than win. The fact that I've laid off the bet with an exchange does not alter the fact that the bookmaker has won my money. I appreciate that you can't get into the head of a bookmaker but perhaps you can point out something that I'm missing.
Taking a close match or an arb is taking value, its as simple as that
Hi John,
Taking value from the bookmaker in matched betting is done by using promotions to our advantage, so things like free bets, the 2up offer and additional places in horse races.
Your right, in the qualifying stage of matched betting you provide value to the bookmaker by placing bets on their odds which are not valuable (unless you have an arb of course).
The value part comes on the second stage when using the bonus. Instead of sticking your free bet on Acca or using it to bet each way on a horse which most recreational punters do, you are likely to always bet on singles at odds of around 4.0 and 5.0 and then lay it off on the exchange for your profit.
The problem the bookies have with this is the fact that your free bets can and will win and therefore you will make a profit, unlike recreational customers who will then slowly but surely feed their free bet winnings back to the bookie placing poor value bets, you will just simply repeat the same procedure over and over again, and as your using free money from the bookmaker, over the long term your account will win more than it loses and this isn't the kind of customer the bookmaker wants
@@ProfitPineapple Yep, see where you're coming from. Thanks.
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Just an idea! What if after you won your bet, you stake your entire winnings on a popular event and back the team that is less likely to win on the bookie's site. Then, lay it with an exchange assuming there's enough liquidity. Then, if the team you backed at the bookie's loses will essentially nullify your previous winnings and the money (with some qualifying loss) will "transfer" across to the exchange from where you can withdraw it. Would this work? From the bookie's perspective you never truly win anything long term, just lose constantly.
I do this
So how much money should you place on an ACCA per week? Say you do 10x £100 Bet365 2ups per week how much should you bet on an ACCA? You don't want to be hitting your profits too much or there wouldn't be any point. 😄
You would just have to weigh it up for your situation I would say mate. Your absolutely right, I wouldn't stake enormous on them or you will cut into your profits and the whole thing would become pretty pointless, on the bright side, at least you wouldn't get gubbed haha!
@@ProfitPineapple 😄😄😄
Is 2 ups worth up?
once a week i will make a 5$ hail mary parlay to make me look square
I have been given the sack from Corals, Boyelsport, William Hill, Ladbrooks, Betfred, Limited with a few others, One of those accounts I was losing money with them.
Problem with bet365 is they hold on to your money and don't let unmake withdrawlals