Is CrossFit Killing The Games? // The Rich Froning Podcast 025
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Nothing will compare to the 2010-2014 era. CrossFit had everything they needed to succeed, the diehard fanbase, the talent and product, the corporate backing and funding, the media and outreach, and lifelong customers. How can you mess this up? All they needed to do was keep doing what they were doing with the media team, the games, and respecting the affiliates, maybe push for bigger sponsors and corporate backing for funding. Literally a well-oiled machine that was taken down and dismantled one piece at a time, to the point where we are here now.
TV deals as well
2010-2014 was the golden era!!!
How did they fumble the bag this bad? It's truly amazing that they could do that.
That was a really good era, I didn’t realize this, but there were a few games athletes at the time that were still working full-time jobs!!
The best.
The Leadville edit is sick. Well done Scott. Thanks for putting that together.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It also helps the fan experience when media people don't buy seats and have a dedicated area. Being at Rogue and having photographers sit in front with their massive camera gear, trying to get the best angle which usually included standing up, etc. made it hard to see and unfair because we bought those tickets to be there and have a decent view. Very few of them looked back and said oh sorry.
That's a great point, and one of the reasons it's better for everyone to not have a ton of media members in the stands.
Now imagine them with no designated area... meaning they now right on top of you with their camera gear. Not only that media sells the sport. No media - no coverage - no growth and eventually no Crossfit Events
Well done! I agree with Scott! Every affiliate should get to have at least 2 media passes and an on the floor designated area. Yalls behind the scenes was the only way I got to see my favorites. Keep up the great work!
I wish so badly I still cared about the open. For an “average” competitor like myself. (Quarterfinals when it was top 10%)….
I feel like now, CrossFit doesn’t give a crap about the everyday athlete.
THANK YOU MAYHEM for literally keeping my interest in the sport
Yeah, they seem to only focus on the top five or 6% of people worldwide, but there’s still a lot of us labor working individuals who still make time to Crossfit several times a week ❤
The fact that we're even having this conversation just shows how unserious crossfit is as a professional sport. Making media teams fight to advertise your sport is an absurd position to take as a business
100%agreed! CF needs to support the major promoters of the sport!
Why doesn’t CrossFit have an end of year conference with all the biggest training camps to discuss this issues and come to resolution. Crossfit needs to be more transparent.
Things like CBS, ESPN, etc are antiquated entertainment models. It may not seem "fair", but access should be given to athletes with bigger followings. That's how you grow a niche sport. Look at the explosion of sports like Strongman and Armwrestling over the last couple of years. Guys like Brian Shaw, Eddie Hall and Devon Laratt have single handedly made their respective sports explode simply because of the reach of social media. There are much, much bigger events with much, much bigger prize pools popping up all the time now in those sports because a few business savvy entrepreneurs figured it out. That is the world we live in now.
Don't forget to mention the Stoltman Brothers. They have an amazing youtube channel.
You did a good job, Scott. I was impressed.
I’m so happy Angelo talked about the emom workout from a few weeks ago.
Emom
-10 cnj @ 185 tng
-14 ttb unbroken.
I feel like 185 tng is absolutely wild to me. I feel like this was a ChatGPT moment
I would need all the Gatorade and Gummy Bears in the planet I mean wow!!
It was nuts
@@angelodicicco1329 did you do 10 tng? Must be the badger milk 🦡 🥛
Loved the Leadville edit!! It only fired me up to get out and bike more. Any chance the upcoming Leadville winners training schedule/plan could be made available on the mayhem app? Would love to follow along with them.
That's a good idea!
If we have to look at the statistics of how non paid media has grown businesses as well as sporting events... its absolutely mind boggling how they don't give media for teams or individuals. It's a joke. Crossfit Games has become a joke... community they say - yet they now have separated Teams, Adaptive and Age Groups 😂😂😂. Then for a Sporting event with NO media team... wtf. Help me make that make sense... it doesn't!
Great watch, I know everyone hails
Glassman as a super hero, but a lot of these changes that have led to a downfall in media etc all happened under his watch, could it be that he not only created CrossFit, but potentially also created it’s slow death?
Dave said its 200-300 yards to Vendor Village and the programming will allow time for people to go there in the breaks
For Mayhem Hunt, you should try to get Jared Allen, former Vikings player, I've seen video of him spearing an elk years ago.... Or Robb Wolf when he got an elk with an Atlatl on a discover show...
Sounds like a fun time
Where can I sign up for the first responder competition?
I love the idea of the public safety open...
Media access could be based on number of athletes an affiliate has competing at the Games.
What president biographies is Rich reading for each president?
CrossFit games vs CrossFit Methodology - Many get lost in the games, but community aspect is in the methodology. Every sport needs its gladiators and spectators. The latter spend the money to support the games. One can't exisit without the other. Business is Business.If the fans don't get the quality access to the gladiators...it will die
One should feed the other and vice versa like you are saying
I started CrossFit because the coverage of CrossFit and watching rich
Such a shame the games has become what it has. Im so glad I got to compete at the games in 2018 - The last year the games was great!
Probably going to have intervals each for time. A lil Fibonacci open 😂
It would be really cool if Mayhem did more with adaptive athletes
Nice shirt Rich, how do I get one?
When/where are the shirt Rich is wearing available?
the search for Alec Baldwin's name tho... 🤣
Greed and Ego seem to be the running theme at CF HQ for the last few years. I don’t think CF games has any complicated thinking, they just are greedy and it is showing. 🤦🏻♀️
would love to hear about richs shoe choice recently....seems to be a lot more barefoot shoes??
I get what Scott is saying about the Mayhem being a team and having “teams” get access but the thing is at this point crossfit doesn’t have those kind of teams and so if they did allow that then they would have to allow that for every crossfit gym in the world or every individual who now has their own CZcams channel (which is a growing number) because those athletes could point to mayhem and say well their team has access why can’t my team have access. I just thing it would create a bigger problem than already exists. If you went that team route you’d have to have a formal certain number of teams which I’m not sure how that would effect the community side of things
Team = training camp and media members allotted is determined by percentage of athletes participating? Just a quick thought. There's definitely a working solution that isn't what was said on here probably, but also isn't what's in place.
@@CFProjectMayhem I agree there is probably a solution to the issue that isn't being put into place. Even if its something like Rogue where they just make a set of rules and stick to it but at least yall would know and the fans would know whats what. Its frustrating to me because I personally really enjoy the bts videos of the mayhem athletes and like hearing about the workouts from their perspective. In any case, I can't tell yall how much I really enjoy yalls content on this channel and am stoked beyond belief for Mayhem Hunt channel. I appreciate you Scott and Ben and any other media member idk about, thankful for yalls work.
CrossFit has to make money for their investors. They have to monetize everything they can.
I think they chose to tell media there would be minimal to no media options after ticket sales sold out because they knew that media outlets like mayhem or prvn or hwpo, etc would buy up the tickets and then fans would have less available seats to purchase. I think CrossFit hq knows what they are doing
Let's say every training camp large & small purchased 1-2 tickets each...looking at 10-20 seats sold to those outlets max. If their argument was there would be less seats available to purchase it doesn't hold much water. If they want to eliminate media members in the crowd of fans, that could be solved with policy rather than the way it was done. Either way it's not an optimal situation
"RIP. He's still alive."
It's amazing how Crossfit athletes do everything they can do to be considered "pro athletes" and have the competitive side of crossfit considered a legitimate sport and year after year the governing body does everything they can to make it amateur hour on "open mic night."
😫 stop teasing us! I need mayhem hunt and those new T,-shirts!
Looking at this from the outside, all this us vs them is so confusing. You say CrossFit and how they are shooting themselves in the foot but there are CrossFit gyms. Would it be possible for these gyms to just pull out from CrossFit and just create their own ranking which could be digital leaderboard. How is CrossFit structured? I've always been confused.
Beanie hat. I’m gonna wear that on the podcast. It looks good. -Rory (grown man)
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Hey fella's I've been watching Rich since CF media days. Can you honestly discuss the state of CF. The choices made recent, pass. Are 🤔🤔🤔🤔 my opinion, they feel they over paid & they're (over lord board) treating it like a fitness fad.
Y’all couldn’t name any Baldwin???? Hahaha
Scott's not emotional... I remember back in the day some very emotional moments in CoD: Warzone hahahaha
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Yes insta loved the 🐻 video 👀😂
I don’t watch the live stream of the games usually bad quality, I just wait for you guys to release videos lol
Thanks 😅
Same, livestreams are a complete waste of time
Need more Into The Storm!
We're uploading them again on the Into The Storm CZcams channel
What's good Team Mayhem?! I know Rich has something cool going down for Leadville in '24 with the Mayhem Mission and Leadville Trail 100 Legacy Foundation. Can I get contact info for someone that is involved with that initiative to send some info over to speak on a possible collaboration? The Ride Series MTB Skills clinic would love to get involved to add more to the experience for your winners. Much love.
Shoot us a DM @mayhemmission IG and we will get in contact!
@@CFProjectMayhem Will do, good looking out!
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I have worked in professional sports broadcast for many years....Press Passes are NOT free for professional sports.
Unless your argument is that they're paying licensing fees for rights to the footage (which is a huge expense to be fair), than in most cases it's free. I've been on the sidelines of a lot of professional sports venues and not paid a dime to be there - Scott
@@CFProjectMayhem did you work in the media department for a team or media outlet? If so, that press pass is not free.
So are you saying you walked in the event on off the street and somehow got on the media list, got a full access pass and it was free?
Do ya’ll think that “The Games” brings people into affiliates? I don’t know how much it costs CF to run the Games but if it doesn’t bring people into the affiliates and the affiliates are the big contributors into the money CF gets then why spend the money to run The Games? I’m wondering if HQ is thinking about cutting costs and if The Games isn’t just too big of an expense.
Our thought is that is brings people to affiliates the same way professional sports brings kids to youth sports. That being said, it's up to CrossFit to make that decision for their company based on the data they have.
@@CFProjectMayhem I’ll give a little pushback here because I don’t think professional sports is what gets kids playing sports, their parents put them in the sports or their friends play and the experiences keep them playing and watching. A few examples here, I’ve had an affiliate since 2012 and I can count on my hands the number of members who came in and said it was because they watched the CF Games. Oly lifting grew in popularity in the last decade because CF had people doing the SN and CJ so until people did the lifts they had no interest in watching them. Maybe this is a chicken or the egg thing here but the genesis of the sports fan is not from the viewing but from the participation in the sport. Do you know anyone who started playing golf because they watched it on TV or is it because they played with friends first. Just a difference of opinion not trying to hate but I’d like to hear what you think of my reply. I personally think focusing on the transformations of the unhealthy person resonates much better with the general population than focusing on the top 1%. That’s probably why “Killing the Fat Man” is more popular than any other and I’d say even all of the CF behind the scenes. I hope this message isn’t received negatively I’m a huge fan.
Maybe in the USA that might hold but internationally the games gets more people in to affiliates that’s how I found it after watching euro sports in the uk I assume that was the original ESPN deal as Rich was competing.
Poor Rory and poor Angelo has a weak grip.
Rory is still scared of CrossFit HQ.
Just a friendly debate
Just a friendly comment
I think you’ve somehow confused thoughtfulness for fear. Before indulging in a longer response, I’m curious how you would come that conclusion?
@@rorymckernan7851most likely because you're not joining the mob who endlessly bashes CrossFit HQ.
Everyday Hero = Hospital IT Professional
Time stamps please!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
The goal for CrossFit isn’t “fairness” it should be how to best grow the sport. You do that by getting as many eyes as possible on your “main event” the games. You need to give the people who get the most views access, fairness be damned.
This is gonna be “rich”
You could say that
ALEC FUCKING BALDWIN! .... Oh they got it.
Starting a petition to have Rich do BCS CLASSIC with me.
sounds painful 😅
the best idea you guys had was letting crossfit use your stuff after you film. i think everyone wins there. but if you thjnk the NFL or the 4 major sports let's anyone near their product, they don't. tough to compare crossfit to them
weird that scott said 2023 games was amazing and the best access he's had or seen.........then said that that every year the media access sucks and is mediocre year after year after year........dude. which is it?
2023 was perfect...for us. Doesn't mean it was a good solution for all parties. Trying to look at the situation from all angles not just what is good for our purposes. As to your earlier point, if you don't think anyone is let near the 'product' of the major sports you can just look at social media & CZcams and see that they do allow a multitude of outlets the access they need.
@@CFProjectMayhem look, i'm with ya but the major outlets that are allowed access to the NFL "games" for example pay BILLIONS to get that acesss. and they still are only allowed to use NFLs films with consent for any game related material. News outlets locally aren't using anything other than highlights and the behind the scenes stuff is all team granted access w major money changing hands to allow it. the nfl and the 4 majors are cash cows. Crossfit is not. they would benefit from letting you guys run wild, for free. it is never gonna be popular enough to justify charging media groups for access especially when in the grand scheme, nobody watches other than once a year. You all should be there promoting your people. But if you think anyone other than an NFL employee gets near the field w a camera on game day, you're misunderstood.
Yeah CrossFit can’t take the major sports model. They actually should do opposite: let media outlets to cover them for free to pump up the sport and shouldn’t be afraid of criticism. I don’t see Roger Gooddell telling Stephen A Smith he can’t report at the super bowl because he speaks poorly of him.
On the media issues: I would like to see more athletes than the leader (aka TCT) and the athlete in 2nd place over and over and over again. For the love of god show more athletes during an event. No one wants to watch 1 athlete do 72 box jumps.Sheesh. Professional media would be such a great idea.
This is what made Dave Castro get his panties in a twist on his WIR? My gawd he’s soft, this was nothing.
Bring back Greg Glassman!!!
At 27:30-28 minutes (regarding why you should have to pay) I think there’s a point being missed. We are forgetting that CrossFit created an event that people are interested in. The very fact they created that event is what gives you an opportunity to create content so you can then make money off of your content that you created. But you wouldn’t be able to create that content if CrossFit didn’t create the event/brand. (at great expense.) in fact, there would be no Rich Froning podcast or any reason for me to be viewing this if it weren’t for the CrossFit brand.
The fact is that CrossFit has created the games and this is a discussion on what the best options are moving forward. Another fact is that we (and other platforms like ours) are promoting & trying to help push the sport and methodology forward, as you would say, at great expense. We’re searching for a better solution to a complicated problem.
@@CFProjectMayhem Understood, and I agree. I was referring to the question of why people would have to pay to function in that content creation/media role. I think this is a good discussion.
@@CFProjectMayhem another function of paying to be involved is that it will weed out those who may be less serious or professional about their content and it’s quality.
Even if the content you create promotes the CrossFit brand and the sport, CrossFit still has to be careful to protect the brand. And if your content was designed to harm the brand, they wouldn’t let you near the event at all. It’s definitely a mutual relationship. CrossFit invests money to create the event. You invest money to create content and promote the event. Ultimately, hopefully everybody benefits.
Also, remember, the more you help the brand/sport grow, the more you benefit, and the larger your audience becomes. A rising tide lifts all boats.
CrossFit must have picked a shiity venue if it is too small for media
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I think it would be cool to add a games athlete to the podcast every week. A Luke, Baley, Page, etc
Rory still the company guy. Not necessarily bad points, but they don't hold as much weight as the other fellas.
Very valid points. But, don't forget that CrossFit is a business. CrossFit as a business is hurting for cash. Charging media is another way for them to generate revenue. Secondly, you brought up the Chiefs and other professional organizations having their own media. You're talking about multi-billion dollar franchises that have endless spending to pay media that promotes their own brand. CrossFit no longer has that. Hence why the sport is on the decline. While these videos do help promote CrossFit, media in the CrossFit space are competing for views on their own channels to generate revenue. Otherwise, most of these "camps" wouldn't be relevant nor would they be able to fund their own media teams. CrossFit doesn't see any of that revenue. Ergo, they're losing out on money. While I whole heartidly believe that this is wrong, there is some validity to the changes. PS... I promise I didn't vote for Biden.
Sound mixer or whatever the guys role is behind the camera. It’s not that hard to understand why the CrossFit Games made the decision that it made regarding media restrictions. Stop comparing CrossFit to other sports media teams. Especially NFL. Other sports have this flexibility due to the amount of revenue being poured into the sport. Unless a billionaire decides to sponsor the CrossFit Games these media restrictions will continue.
That's awesome that you figured it all out. Thanks for the helpful suggestions 👍
@@CFProjectMayhem No worries at all. Happy to help. Have a blessed day 😃
Are the games killing CrossFit?
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The games are the only thing keeping it alive
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Buckle up
@scott I’d like to eat a hotdog while you’re behind the camera 46:08 😉
Froning thinks that CrossFit revolves around him, where in fact CrossFit made him and he needs to be thankful for that. Its about community, not him.