Ashley's Analysis | Silverstone Road Rage
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- Road rage is a daily occurrence on roads worldwide. In this episode we explore how it escalates and what we can do to stop this happening. A big thanks to my viewer for sending in this interesting Dash Cam footage.
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Can you imagine if we approached walking through doorways the same way? Two blokes wanting to go into a Tesco, a little old dear slows them down. There's a bit of trolley swerving. Next thing you know one of them is flipping the other off, then chasing each other down the fruit and veg aisle with one telling the other he'll be banned from the shop.
I want to see that happen now, that looks like fun lol
I think that sort of thing happens in the USA.
When I'm out on the bike I basically let every mistake slide by, as there's no educating drivers while they're doing the driving. Much easier to stay calm and let them be.
Sometimes the worst thing to do is provoke people. If I make a mistake, I flash by hazards or put my hand up.
@@forza223bowe5 Yeah hitting the hazards to say sorry is the best way to de-escalate a situation
gggjmmm doesn’t always work, they’ll clam down a little bit, but they’ll sometimes be like, just because you put on your hazards on, doesn’t excuse you from the fact you’re twat of a driver LOL
100% agree with you Rob.
My Dad always used to tell me “you don’t drive for yourself. You drive for everyone else”
Thinking this while driving has kept me safe on the road for 20 odd years now. Best advice he ever gave me.
Good video. Cheers.
A sound philosophy! I can understand why modern driver education downplays the idea of "right of way" because it creates a sense of entitlement on the road.
And that’s what parents are for.👍🏼
Had a bmw the other day doing 35 mph in a 50mph zone he kept braking for no reason, everytime we came to a roundabout he came to a complete stop when he didn’t need to. I tried to overtake at the only safe place he speeds up so I can’t pass as my defender isn’t built for speed, I ignored him didn’t react and when we got to residential area and I turned off he absolutely hammered it away!
Some people are just out there to create dangerous situations for some unexplainable reason.
scottlaaa 1984 what a weirdo, I’d love to know there motive behind that.
CompetitiveEllisy i don’t have a clue because there was a vw golf between us at first and that turned off then he started being a bellend lol
I had this too - 20 to a 30 and I sped up and the car in front decided to back off again and so did I. Then as I followed (2 secs at 20mph not the same as 2 secs at 40mph) they clearly thought I was tailgating so slowed again to 15mph (in a 30) and so I had to back off again.
They then brake checked me hard at a green light where I almost hit them and the car behind almost hit me - both of us predicting the green light and watching left and right for pedestrians as it was a park) Then as i sat and watched them throw all sort of gestures at me the lights changed to red and they ran the red light into the now 20 zone.
I can only think they didn’t see the speed limit change to 30, assumed as they slowed I was trying to make them go faster in those moments as I backed off again and overall thought I was tailgating - which I was not (I even counted 2 secs to make sure)
What was weird was it was the passenger who was kicking off at me and not the driver
I have met 2 drivers like that already... All I can think of is they're real life trolls, all they want is to make others angry.
I had an issue where a car wouldn’t let me overtake him, I don’t know if it was jealousy or what
I'm still guilty of this and it's hard not to react. I like to think I can see the early signs of an "idiot" driver, but sometimes people make mistakes and it's nothing more than that. I've made mistakes while driving myself and most people don't react and give me a break, so I try to do the same.
Excellently put, I wish everyone on the roads had your thinking sir!
@@Royal-lc5mh so you wouldn’t get shouted at any longer?!!
You become said idiot driver when you react poorly and unnecessarily conflate the issue
This video has a beautifully philosophical ending.
Both men are now engaged, after 2 days in a Travelodge.
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I don't often spit things out laughing, but you managed to get gross chunks from my mouth stuck to my phone.
To EACH OTHER !?
@@ppheanix Man2Man X
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Premier Inn , I think , going by their latest adverts showing two men in a bed together ...
In Urdu/Hindi we have an idiom about a situation like this which when translated means Ït takes two hands to clap".
I think the focus is mostly the problem here, he caused the initial incident and escalated it considerably by brake checking.
I agree the focus is the main instigator, but the cammer could have avoided the escalation at every step of the way. If they didn't flash their light, didn't overtake, didn't try to overtake again, took a different exit on the roundabout, this would probably have stopped.
@@Timooooooooooooooo I agree with most of that except I don't consider a headlight flash of disapproval after someone has cut you up much of an escalation. The first real escalation for me is the brake check.
@@Timooooooooooooooo A headlight flash or a beep to say you messed up there could make someone pay more attention next time and could prevent a future accident. People don't learn if they don't realise they did wrong.
Good job my dad wasn’t driving there lol
People's egos as Ashley says are appalling nowadays. How dare you admonish me for doing something wrong. Perhaps more police might help..
I remember, once, driving home from work in Birmingham. For some reason another car drew up to my nearside and I could see, from the corner of my eye, the driver gesturing and trying to attract my attention. I ignored this and, for a while, lost him in traffic. He managed to catch me up and assumed a position next to me, this time on the off-side. I thought I had better find out what his problem was and so lowered the window. At which point the other guy shouts across to me 'Your near-side-rear tyre is flat'. Cheers buddy! (Pulled into Sainsbury's near the JLR plant. Sure enough, N/S/R tyre flat and buggered!)
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People who cut me up make we want to give them a Callum's Corner-type spinning elbow!
This video was so good. The thinking that you made me go through will make be more calm when I am on the road, for sure. Thanks
The end of this video is life advice as well as driving advice.
I had a situation a few years ago where a driver came storming up behind me. I think he reckoned I had pulled out in front of him and he had to brake.
I don't think I did (unless he was doing considerably more than the speed limit) but regardless of that, his attempt to relentlessly pursue me was far more dangerous than anything I did as he was clearly intent on a confrontation.
I was a mile from home which gave me both a problem and an adantage. The problem was I did not want him knowing where I live (particularly as it is a cul de sac) but the advantage was that I had lots of local knowledge. He clearly didn't because when I tried to turn right he drew alongside to prevent me doing so and go out.
So I turned left instead and by the time he got back in I had disappeared down another road and he didn't follow me.
This has got to be the most thought provoking and informative video I have seen in a long time. It` the intelligent persons answer to road rage. You get the better of people with road rage by OUT THINKING them.
I don’t think most people would ever want road rage, it just happens because of external factors I believe, if you’re a person who’s had a bad day or pent up anger and frustration, they may likely be more to act on road rage. Same thing if the person has a short fuse and generally quite a angry person. I’ve seen plenty of people on dash cams compilations that blare and beep their horns at the smallest issues that I don’t even think is that a big of a deal. And I’ve seen situations where I definitely would’ve gotten angry at, and yet the person in the video calmly dealt with it LOL honestly at the end of the day, two wrongs dont make a right. Unless you’re both taking a left turn 😏 (lame dad joke I know)
I always lock my doors and I have laminate windows so people can't smash them in. But the most important thing is to make sure your driving is absolutely immaculate. You are going to make mistakes, just calmly apologize for them and move on. If other people make mistakes just create distance to diffuse the situation and take a roundabout twice or slow down. Angry people usually (want to) drive faster, which is typically what started the argument, so they'll be gone soon enough.
In 13 years of driving can admit I've got angry, with people cutting me up etc.
But the focus driver is just a bully, I wouldn't like to share the road with him. :-(
Thanks for uploading Ashley, although the clip is about road rage, it’s great advice all round for any situation you find yourself in in life, If we just learn to breathe properly for 10 seconds when something like this happens, it can make all the difference, problem is, we all have our sh1t going on in our lives, and it only takes 1 little minor incident to set things off, I guess as you say we’re always learning and the best we can do is to keep on trying to get better and better at what we all do.All the best to you and your family in these difficult times we find ourselves in, #stay safe.❤️👍
Ashley you are spot on about letting it go ...how many times have we seen news stories where road rage has ended in tragedy? ..yes sometimes our egos can the better of us but far better to just not rise to it ....keep posting the videos ...I find them Informative
I completely agree with what Ashley's saying, of all the bad incidents I remember from years of cycling, they're invariably the ones where I either shouted or swore at a driver for their poor driving, which then escalated the situation and caused them to either abuse me back, try and run me over, or get out of their car to assault me. I'm sure I've had plenty of other incidents where there's been poor drivers around me, but I only remember the ones that escalated into a proper confrontation and they always left me more shaken / angry / upset in the end than the ones that I brushed off.
Part of it is a desire to not be a pushover, sort of a "got to stand up for yourself or you become a victim", but in the end I always feel worse at a result
When I taught in Leicester we Called it ‘the road rage Capital of the known Universe.’ I think road rage is just something we all need to deal with and keep ourselves and others safe. Frankly it’s a hazard like anything else in driving and we just have to learn to deal with it safely.
I drive real casual now, spent my youth flat out, it always ended in tears.
I always take that advice and have the mindset you mentioned at the end of the video. Nice work, Ashley. Stay safe! ❤
I might be cut-up or something but by not reacting I know I have the moral high ground 🙂
Completely agree with you. That's the one thing you need to do when you're on the road is avoid confrontation, avoid getting road rage. Generally when I feel upset at someone else's driving, I'll put the A/C on full blast and that tends to cool me down. The last thing anyone should be when they're handling a several thousand pound vehicle is angry.
Great vid Ashley! If you kick off it stays with you all the way home & through the front door. Take a step back & diffuse yourself & the situation you won’t even remember it happened. Took me years to get wise of that.
Some interesting comments and, as always, great advice from Ashley.
I admit that, in the past (before being diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome) I would often react badly to other people's mistakes.
Almost every time I go out there are incidents of stupidity displayed by other road users. Instead of leaning on the horn (or otherwise), I prefer to just let things go and have a laugh about the situation later.
If something needs to be reported then I will do so.
It takes a better person to avoid a fight so why bother?
Stay safe everyone 👍👍.
Excellent video - have used this tactic many times myself - love the channel!!
Having a grumble or swearing at drivers is perfectly fine in my opinion. Just don't let it affect your driving.
Speeding or driving poorly because of something someone else did is where I'd draw the line!
Hi Ashley, thank you for this, a calm and sensible attitude made clear again. I try to think that while like you I have a strong sense of natural justice, it is probably a good idea to treat the use of a car and the roads to drive it on as a privilledge not a right, and to be as tolerant as I can of the peccadilloes of other drivers. Cheers, Richard.
4:50 - The Focus and cam car are speed matching the bus at 44mph, so neither should have been overtaking. Just shows people have to beat the bus, even when the bus is over the speed limit.
Bus did slow down as it went up the hill though. If they drive that road often, they may know that happens.
Edit: Wait... What's the speed limit there? I assumed it was 50.
@@tin2001 Speed limit is 40mph and never seemed to be under that when the 2 children started playing funny buggers with each other in the cars.
How in the hell is the camcar supposed to overtake the bus when the bellend in the Focus is matching it's speed?! Check the start of the clip where the Focus first appears; the camcar was quite happily building up to overtaking the bus but got blocked by the Focus.
I’ve had a fair few instances where people have been screaming and shouting in my face. I tend to just let them get on with it and keep totally calm. Wastes time and energy to engage them.
you really muct be doing something wrong if a lot of people are getting that angry with you
Excellent video as always Ash. I totally agree with your advice on avoiding confrontation, avoid eye contact for most situations. In addition to this, I would also suggest that if YOU are in the wrong (I know it's NEVER our fault, but humour me)...If you do make a mistake on the road, just apologise and move on with your journey.....chances are, anyone affected by your mistake is more likely to also move on if you apologise and hold your hands up (not literally holding your hands up, keep your hands on the steering wheel).
Forgiveness! The importance of forgiving others on the road. In my case, an example occurred at the Eagle Tower traffic lights on Bath Road in Cheltenham a couple of weeks ago. A following driver repeatedly blew his horn in an increasingly aggressive manner to remind my pupil how to coordinate the gas and clutch correctly when the lights went to green. Well it did work. Sort of. But only after I advised my pupil to apply the handbrake, select neutral gear, take a deep breath and try again. He moved off smoothly when the next sequence of the lights went to green! The following driver gave us another blast of his horn for good measure as we turned left at the next junction and he went straight ahead.
My pupil and I parked up safely a couple of junctions further down the road where we discussed the importance of seeing and responding to other road users, but ignoring their bad manners. Part of the conversation almost directly followed your clip Ashley. The importance of remaining calm and forgiving others their mistakes. While being careful to consider the possibility of our making mistakes too.
And while I'm on this subject, is it ever acceptable to bully a learner driver or indeed anyone learning a new skill for the first time? I suspect that 75% of drivers on the road at any time of day are late. At 8:45am in the morning it's more like 90% of drivers that are late. No, it's nothing to do with calculating enough driving time for the journey. The driver in front of them is to blame every time.
Yes well someone needs to tell them the same two words I tell any of my employees that show up late, "Leave Earlier". Immediately followed by assuring them that if this advice is not followed formal warnings will follow next time. Sorry but unless some major event happens that cannot be foreseen there is really no excuse and no a minor fender bender on one of the roads on your route or anything else that can be fixed with a short diversion really doesn't count. If your planning can be broken by such modest disruption you need to plan better.
@@seraphina985 Completely agree Seraphina.
just got back from 10 weeks driving around Spain, never saw 1 incident of RR and rarely heard anyone so much as beep their horn. a pleasure to drive there.
What part of Spain if i may Ask?
@@ThePhoenix109 drove down from Bilbao in the north to Torrevieja on the Costa Blanca then days out along from Benidorm down to Mojacar.
Obviously not many British drivers there
Yes, cammer-man could have de-escalated that from nearly the beginning (and not gone over the top with speed), and yes, the advice to not engage is correct, but wow, that guy in the Focus has (had?) a problem! After pulling out in a marginal position, he then reacts like that to a flash?! I’ve made some marginal decisions and had a reaction - I knew immediately that I was on the wrong side of the margin, and would hold my hand up to the car behind, and just move out of its way. Focus dudes reaction is nuts, and bound to make it worse. Then when the cammer-man wants to get away from further conflict (admittedly a little too quickly), Focus dude comes right back into the fray, driving like a kn0b, gesturing and ending up getting out of the car and threatening cammer man with a ban from the site! I’m sorry, but the whole set of actions from Focus dude were mad; a clear case of red-mist. I hope I never meet him on that road, but I’ll be wary of Focuses from now on. I just hope Focus dude was having a bad day or had a bad journey, although there is no room for that once he stepped into the car. And Silverstone site security rocks :).
Who was the man, and why was there two security guards there ?
He's the big boss man of Silverstone. In a Focus. No wonder he was angry. Loved how he showed himself up in front of security😂
Forza223 Bowe I think he must be Mr “Dont you know who I am?”. Errr... nope!
2 security is fairly normal - its a big site with lots of comings and goings, a lot of small businesses on site, the Porsche Experience centre, track days etc etc. Just counted 59 businesses silverstone-park.com/silverstone-park-today/directory ! If one gets caught up with one visitor, others can keep folks moving, and as in this case, if anything kicks off, they have backup.
Now I thought I was a good driver until I started coming here.
I gestured at people who didn’t indicate, would flash my lights and generally get too uptight and wound up. Sometimes I would make some other road users arsed off.
Hardly safe!
I now accept others may make faux pas, take risks, and may not be having their ‘best day’.
I now look solely to myself as a road user and keep things safe/mindful
Mention Silverstone and I come out in a cold sweat... About 15 years ago, before I had anything like a sat nav., I was heading down the A43, intending to pick up the A413, on my way to visit my brother in Aylesbury. Thanks to the low lifes whose main occupation at the time was nicking the aluminium road signs, (sited at 52.11628, -1.00612 - still not replaced,) I missed the turning, so carried on to the next junction and took the left turn there. Took the left turn at the roundabout, and headed towards where I thought I'd be able to pick up the A413. I was actually on the road in your clip. Realising I was going nowhere near where I wanted to go, I turned into one of the entrances to the car park, and turned around. Then I turned right, out of there, and unwittingly headed the wrong way down what I realised, when I got to the roundabout... was a dual carriageway. As I got to the roundabout, a car faced me at the exit. Obviously I was in exactly the wrong place, and realised it at that point. Would I have sworn, had our positions been reversed? I'm not sure, but the driver was very understanding when I held up my hands in a 'sorry' gesture, and from the look on his face, I got the impression I wasn't the first to make that mistake.
When I think back, I drove about 300 yards, on the wrong side of a dual carriageway. Thank God the road was empty, until I reached the roundabout. I believe they have now painted 'Turn LEFT' on those exits.
Its easy saying to ignore them, but driving in London....I find some are actually looking for confrontation...sitting in traffic you can't ignore them
Totally agree with de-escalating by not even getting involved. I got caught out by a three lane roundabout exit immediately filtering down to two and had to open my motorbike up to slot in safely in front of a stubborn car that didn't want to let me in. The car driver then took umbridge at me doing the speed limit (40) and started swerving inches from my rear wheel. I let the inside lane car progress a little and then allowed him to undertake me (was the safer option than risk him going for the undertake as I'm moving left). That should have been the end of it but I stupidly opened my mouth as I was filtering through the traffic at the next light. He ended up blocking me off, getting out, arguing and turning to get something out of his boot. I took off at that point (I couldn't move without hitting him before). Thought that was the end of it but he was chasing me down. Looks fun in the movies, but a 50/60 mph chase through a 20 zone when you're running from someone trying to knock you off is not fun at all. Eventually managed to dupe him at a side road to get away (a car parked too close to the junction meant he had to reverse to try and catch me up). Needless to say my trap has been firmly shut since then.
@James Stewart This was in South London. Highly populated, but unfortunately little of that population give a crap about what anyone else is doing enough to notice others in distress.
I think you missed the bit where he was attempting to knock me off my bike. In that situation I couldn't care less who's responsible (which is still him regardless of what I was having to do to escape). Didn't fancy my last thoughts being 'at least I followed the law and wasn't responsible'.
You did the right thing backing off and not winding window down. There has been cases of people spraying acid
Can you feel my heart, fantastic song.
Yeah, can't beat The La's.
The people with to much misery in life will always be out there and trying to share their own situation.
I wonder if excitement levels are higher because they at Silverstone? Watching these makes me a calmer driver and less likely to indulge in rebuking poor driving! 🧘🏻♂️
That was a good upload. I held back yesterday from watching one of your videos. I’d rather think I’m right than prove it 😂
Outstanding 👍
Good advice, Mr A.
Great advice. Its not easy not to feel “wronged” but as you say, best not to engage.
The guy in the Focus looks like Rylan Clark 😂. Hey Rylan, how's about checking your mirror and blind spot before overtaking on a dual carriageway?!
Well said
I had a car begin to reverse toowards me whilst in a drive though the other day - I touched my horn to make sure he was awere that I (a car behind him) was there.
He proceeded to get out of the car and scream something towards my car....I just gave him a smile and thumbs up. - the use of the horn was just a note of my presence, I never had an issue with him to begin with.
I had an old dude at a petrol station do that... Only he got out confused and talking to the lady who ran over yelling to stop... He didn't even hear my horn 😂
Unfortunately misuse of horns has drilled into people that it's a sign of anger and displeasure rather than a simple warning of your presence.
Its simple advice but some people find it impossible to follow. It's a decision you can make though. You can just decide to take the moral high ground, it's a winning strategy! I tell myself, "You're in control, it's your responsibility to fix the situation. You want them in front of you where you can see them". Then the situation doesn't escalate and I feel good that I chose to do the right thing. If only everyone could live by that. We really need to, because everyone makes mistakes and everyone has a bad day occasionally.
0:04 Careful now ;)
Oh and they both appear to be driving to Silverstone. Say no more...
Watching the many dashcam channels out there shows the point exactly. Over 90% of road rage normally comes from the car that’s been cut up (the victim so to speak) beeping or flashing at people. I was the same but nowadays I just let them get on their way without reacting. They know they’re in the wrong so telling them will not change anything.
I always remind myself that those that are in such a rush that they cut me and others up dangerously will suddenly have all the time in the world to start road raging if pulled them up for it.
The problem with a horn and flashing the light is that they are very inefficient as communication tools. They are either on or off (I guess you could use morse code!). You never know how someone is going to read your message. I saw a clip of a dude who simply flashed someone because he had a broken light. The guy with the broken light got angry and out of the car, most likely assuming he was being corrected for his driving.
People are so unwilling to admit mistakes nowadays it's unreal. It really is best to just mind our own business completely with things like that and stay off the nutters radars!
May I add a quote and advice from a publication called 'Not The Blue Book', written by a former Class 1 police motorcyclist.
"Restraint: One disadvantage of advanced motoring is that it heightens awareness of bad driving and riding by others. This can lead to frustration and the path towards ever-increasing 'road rage' incidents. It is therefore essential to use all your advanced skills to avoid becoming entangled in these drivers' antics.
Most people simply use vehicles as a means of transport or business and have no inclination to improve their driving, sometimes not even to government test standard. We have all been passengers in vehicles driven by friends, relatives or colleagues, they are really nice people and they would do anything for anyone but just can't drive a car to save their lives. It can sometimes ease your frustration with other drivers if you imagine the 'offending driver' is one of those people that you know."
Top-quality vid Ashley, I for once agree with everything you've said in this video aha, this is completely unrelated to the video but what is your favourite and least favourite types of roads to drive on (e.g. lots of roundabouts (mini or large), motorways, dual carriageway, residential wiggle roads, country roads, etc.)? Thanks, George
Can I save that question for my upcoming livestream? Hopefully at the start of next week if my deliveries arrive. Thanks, Ashley.
@@ashley_neal Yeah no problem cheers, I'm looking forward to it :)
How petty that situation was, there are a few more important things in life. If I ever get carved up I just let it go and feel good that I was able to rise above the situation. It's a win win as far as I'm concerned. Equally, if I have accidently wronged another driver, I will own up if there is face contact with an apologetic look and treat it as a lesson learned. I'm no saint but, if everyone used those tecniques, everyone would be so much happier and the roads safer.
Yes, a "sorry" wave can do the world of good if you do make a mistake. Unfortunately so many drivers willingly cut people up, then if they are called out for it with a flash or beep, they won't say sorry and go one further by brake checking or being silly. I agree, you're best not flashing or beeping at people for wrongdoings any more, it just angers most of them.
Nobody likes being wrong. That's why I don't use the horn in anger or any form of gesture including flashing the lights. Once the incident has happened, it's happened. Any action in anger after that is nothing but a gesture to fight even when you don't mean it to be.
People make mistakes whilst driving. It's never personal. Take a breath and let it go.
Exactly. Some people are utter 🛎 ends
Hey Ashley, I think you've done a great analysis and I couldn't agree more with your perspective! What I'd like to add is, in my opinion, that all the stuff you mentioned is pretty much applicable in every everyday situation where you'd like to avoid getting yourself into a verbal and/or, forbid God, physical conflict. And because we are not perfect by any means, like you implied, I think if we all could learn to think first, before saying something or doing something, rather than being triggered by our emotions first and thus doing something like responding to a individual who seeks confrontation, which leads to obvious escalation of that particular situation and then both parties would regret the actions taken afterwards. This is also a fundamental thing in driving, in my opinion, in every single situation on the road you should evaluate what is happening on the road, take into account weather condition, other road users, etc. which means always use your head first, think, because driving is not only about checking your mirrors, pressing pedals, rotating the steering wheel and looking through your windscreen!
I've always maintained there is no room for egos behind the wheel of a car. It should be placed in the boot before driving. This is why sports cars often have less room inside as well as a smaller boot. They should be driven with no ego whatsoever. With the increased performance even a small one can quickly lead to trouble.😁
Great video as per normal, the answer to road rage is calm down take a deep breath, get home and then post t on you-tube, simple. If a police officer had witnessed the incident then both drivers would have been fined.
I had the same thing happen to me this morning but I backed off and nothing happened we both just carried on like we would any other day no road rage incidents!!!! 👍👍
This is exactly what the cammer should have done
It just takes a bit of self discipline to not escalate. Feel the rage and decide not to act on it. Simple in theory, harder in practice but ultimately rewarding when you can exercise that level of self control. Taking a martial art really helped me learn how to control myself better (and be prepared if it does kick off).
I do shout expletives, especially on very close passes. But I don't try to chase them down or if i see them at the lights, go up to the windows to confront them. I sit in primary position behind,for the most part, but if it is a long queue and i can filter safely, i do so. I don't try to catch their eye a mouth off to them as i go past, as that would increase the risk to myself if they get triggered and want to a revenge pass or worse.
Its usually a good idea to keep the car doors locked whilst you are in it. I had a few instances over the years where people have tried to open the driver side door and should they be successful it leaves you in a very vulnerable position, making it hard to defend yourself. Also try to leave your car an escape route. Thats my advanced driving skillz lesson for the day. ;)
Another good video, no only for U.K in South American, avoid eye contact, and really never get out of the car, the other drivers will think you are a carjacking, any around can use a gun against you.
A while back another driver brake checked me on the highway, probably because he/she thought I was overtaking too slowly and was holding him/her up (I was actually going 2 km over the speed limit). At the time it happened I was too perplexed by the situation to even think about doing anything in return. Later, however, it irked me and I kind of decided that the next time something like this happened I would follow the other driver around until they stopped, so we could have a chat about it (and I do mean a chat, nothing aggressive, just to make them rethink their actions). Thanks to your video I have now reconsidered. It would probably be a waste of time and effort (and fuel) and would also mean taking unnecessary risks. Better to just get on with my day and not let it bother me. I always try to feel sorry for those who get so frustrated in traffic that they feel the need to use their vehicle in an aggressive way. Sad, really, if you think about it.
So, thanks for this insight, Ashley, and keep up the good work!
My best de escalate was I was in a queue, on a dual carriageway, I needed to be in the right lane to turn off a little further ahead so was monitoring for a gap, and I noticed the guy in the car next to me was head down so probably texting. The traffic started moving again, but he didn't react so I took the opportunity to pull into the right lane in front of him. This triggered him for some reason, I didn't cut him off, he wasn't moving as he wasn't paying attention, but I guess as he looked up he saw me pulling in front of him and this damaged his fragile ego. So, what he did was cut into the left lane and then aggressively cut back into the right lane in front of me. I could see him mouthing something and staring at me in his rear view mirror obviously hoping I would bite. Didn't work. What did I do? Smile, shrug my shoulders and mouth "I don't care" to him. That was the end of that.
I once made the mistake of flipping off a BMW driver who'd been tailgating within a foot of my bumper on the A38. Either he had someone in the back seat egging him on or he was specifically looking for my single digit reaction because he pulled back from overtaking and started screaming at me.. and I mean SCREAMING! He even threw a coin at my car as I'd basically dropped my speed and was deliberately ignoring him. It reached the point where I honestly thought he was ready to force me off the road but by some miracle he was due to pull off at the Stoke turn-off so we had this bizarre moment where he pulled in front at speed and then hauled over to the slip road where you could see he obviously wanted me to pull over and prove my manhood or something. Needless to say we kept driving but my wife was ready to call 999.
Wife and my 3 month old son in the back made the lesson all the more poignant and I've done my best to keep my cool since... Not always succeeded but yeah... :/
I do have to admit I got out my car once, I was not in a great place (my dad had died suddenly only a week or two before).
I was on a roundabout queuing in the right lane when a coach used the left lane to jump the entire queue (massive roundabout he wanted the 5th exit and was in the left lane passing everybody queuing in right lane), he came round and I was going right-left lane, I admit I saw him but decided not to let him bully me, so did my maneuver anyway. he held down his horn, so I held down mine. he then put his full beams.
When traffic stopped I got out and confronted him. He told me I was in the wrong, I told him if he thinks he's in the right he shouldn't be driving a car never mind a coach, there was more swearing on both sides.
It didn't make me feel better, in fact worse, left me stressed and tense. I should have just left it, not beeped back, or even just let him bully himself past, which I probably would have normally.
One thing that gets people angry when I'm at work is road speed, the national speed limit on single laned roads is 60, most people do 70, but most dont know van drivers have to do 50, though van drivers mostly ignore that 50, but I work for Royal Mail and our vans are tracked, so me doing 50 in a 60 that people want to do 70 gets a lot of roadrage aimed at me, drivers almost causing headons trying to pass me, tbh its a stupid law forcing 50 in a 60 where there isnt many overtaking chances, especially when 50 for vans isnt known by many.
I do like to anger law breakers though, I drive the speed limits everywhere, the amount of drivers flying up to the back of me obviously breaking the speed limit and having to sit behind me is hilarious, though I do get annoyed at the ones doing 10-20 slower than the limit as thats just taking the P.
When I was a young driver I used to fly about in the car, but after I had kids I stopped, I realised how dangerous it is, so came to the thought pattern I have now that I dont want to be the reason a Police officer has to visit a family to tell them I killed their loved one because I was speeding.
Best advice I heard recently for not ending up in a road rage incident - When driving imagine you're in a prestige car on PCP with TPFT insurance only.
Why does this work? Because in this case you would have decided to protect your car to just hang back a bit to make sure the driver didn't do something stupid. In the situation here if the driver with camera had done that they've left a decent gap and been weary of someone behind a slow vehicle. The driver of the focus wouldn't have risked getting rear ended by the vehicle we're in if they miss-read what was going on. So if one or both had followed that principle the incident would have never happened.
Disregarding your good points about ego, if someone got out their car and opened my car door, I’d be tempted to lamp them. I’m not sitting by while someone spits on me, punches, stabs etc. If you open someones door in a rage, you better be prepared for someone to defend themselves.
Yesterday another vehicle just pulled out in front of me on the motorway, requiring a pretty prompt change of course. However, there is no place for anger or disputes when travelling at 70mph. The last thing I need at that point is to be distracted and lose my own situational awareness, potentially causing another incident.
The worst thing happened to me, an older woman maybe late 60s was joining a dual carriage way she braked to about 5 mph and then pulled out in front of trucks, who had to slam his brakes on. Then I had to join 70 mph from a stand, in a car which will get up to 60 mph in 13 seconds!
Forza223 Bowe That does not sound like a good experience... It is also a pet peeve of mine that people don’t join at sufficient speeds. People sauntering onto motorways at 30-40mph?!? Not good. That’s not as extreme as your case though!
Other side Of Paradise It’s quite rare, but there is a lot of hesitant drivers around here
Forward planning, adaptability, self knowledge and situational awareness...good things to draw upon!
Thanks for the lesson. I am a cyclist and find it difficult to let anything go. Fortunately I rarely get the opportunity to react, but sometimes I put myself needlessly in danger. This 64yo needs to grow up!
I too find it hard to 'let go' when cycling - the frequency of genuinely life changing fuckups by motorists just builds up until I get so frustrated that I blow a fuse at some poor sod! When I am driving I can let anything go because compared to cycling dangerous situations are quite rare. Stay safe.
@@cyrilheslop6917 thanks for reply :)
Used to be a rep once...
Picture the scene, minding my own business listening to a comedian on the radio.
Pulls up behind another car at traffic lights and made the mistake of laughing at a joke on the radio.
Guy in front thought I was laughing at him and took exception.
Jumps out his car and starts beating his fists on my window...
A 10 year career as a rep ended that day....!
Rather than the situation where both parties are battling for ego, I've had the situation (granted a few years ago) where the other party is in the thick of being really angry and wanting to kick off at me and I'm laughing at them, completely entertained by how much of a fool their making of themselves, but I wasn't angry in the least with them.
In some US states, if a disgruntled driver turns his car around to approach another driver, the defending driver is then allowed to use deadly force,
Yes, you can get shot, LEGALLY , just like that.
It's like I remember infant and junior school"fights" starting off with gentle punches gradually winding up to the teachers having to pull us apart amidst a massive circle of the rest of the kids in the playground lol This escalation is an instinct wired into us and can be trained and learned out.
If you get out of your car in a situation like this and somebody is seriously injured or even killed YOU will be seen as the instigator.
Red Cross Emergency Response Volunteer and I've responded to fires, floods and major disasters in my own car and in our team's marked ER truck. I've been over taken and cut up when responding to calls. It is so frustrating and stupid.
If I was the cammer then I would of just sat behind the bus till the roundabout.
But the Focus driver saying the cammer could be "banned from the site" for something he instigated, I just shake my head at.
One tries to be neutral and I know I've been in the wrong in the past, but while one tries to avoid the road rage; there is a highway code which states there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things while driving.
I had someone the other day really annoyed with me for doing 30 in a 30, as he zoomed past he was giving me two fingers etc, I just let him get on with it and didn't react. Edited to add he overtook in the face of oncoming traffic. Pity there wasn't a speed camera 😂
Wars are started by small 'things' escalating into 'bigger things'
Interesting subject! My impression is that road rage often just happens. Anything can trigger your fellow road users. Even driving correctly. You can try to de-escalate, but that doesn't work always. There are a lot stupid and retarded people out there. Main thing is to stay calm under all circumstances. If physical threatening is imminent, try to drive to a gas station. They are loaded with cameras. Call as soon as possible the police. Try to remember the registration number of the car and the face of your attacker. Dashcams can provide a lot of evidence too. I have a little one on my helmet. Clearly visible for everyone. That seems to have a preventive effect on potential road ragers too
That's what happens when aggressive, unpredictable apes are given big mechines to operate
First viewing I thought the Focus driver was slowing down to argue with the bus driver over something we didn't get to see. But seems the camers flashing of his lights was the catalyst of all this.
Then breaks the speed limit quite alot btw to overtake the guy
Yes the speeding away just kind of had the Focus driver saying "Game on, I've found someone up for a fight". Or "how dare he speed away, I need to prove my penis is bigger now".
Random question but due to the corona virus my driving lessons have been cancelled for the next month at least, do you have any advice that might help me or things I can do at home to stop me from like forgetting the things I’ve learned. Thanks Amelia :)
CZcams video's
Before and when I started to drive I used to watch a lot of CZcams videos about ddriving. It really helped me
Yes, you are doing it by going on CZcams and watching as many videos from as many different instructors as you can. Subscribe to them, they will get income from CZcams. This will allow them to make more video's. Although you can't physically do the lessons, you will be more able to understand the briefings given before a new task. This will also as in Ashley's case allow you to learn some of the defensive driving and hazard awareness that is necessary once you are back out on the road and after you pass
I’m also in the process of setting up a live stream AMA, which will help 👍🏼
I never get road rage, whenever someone does stupid things it just doesn't anger me. Sure I get angry about other things in life but not over people's driving. My Dad on the other hand goes mental at other drivers. He'll get out of the car for a punch up over it.
i think i still would flashed or use a slight horn so very short time just to make them aware im there and to highlight there bad driving but i would of left it there, as the focus was speed matching, best thing to do in those situations is stay in the passing lane ( prob matching the bus) and go all the way around the roundabout , by doing that you make a bigger cap between you and the problem car what might help calm drivers down
How dare he overtake his ego
I have found the trick to winning arguments with people in traffic is to make an irrelevant point then then say 'f&ck you' before the other driver.
The Focus driver might not have been "none the wiser" (6.33) if the cammer hadn't flashed. It needn't take hand gestures,flashes or a horn for anyone to reflect that they might have done something better; I do that most times I drive, usualy without having noticed any reaction from another road user. I'm more likely to coolly self-criticise if other road users stay calm too.
I was Taught 'walk softly but carry a big stick'.
I find that whenever a driver twists my lemon, a quick, private blast of a choice expletive clears the air marvellously. I'm never in an altercation, because having done some martial arts, I know what a well-placed blow can lead to, and I don't want them to build a prison on top of me - even for those private hire guys who seem to have gained their driving licences via a Christmas cracket.
Judge Judy usually rules against the driver who gets out of their car because THEY escalate a situation leading to damage, injury or loss.
Road rage is aggression pure and simple. The culprit is unlikely to accept s/he was in the wrong. So any response, be it as mild as flashing is likely to induce more neanderthal aggression. Best policy is to ignore the provocation and give the plonker a wide berth. Karma will catch up with them sooner or later.
If this has happened to me, I always remember a famous beatles song "Let it be".
Nothing serious happened.
And that's where you're wrong. I am a perfect driver, because I drive an Audi. I was going to say BMW but that might come across the wrong way!
The guy who pulled out is obviously a BMW driver disgruntled at getting a Focus loaner while his 325 is in the shop from his last incident.
Although not the subject of the video, when the Focus was next to the bus, did he realise he was hovering in its blind spot? I see this very often on a dual carriageway & I am sure the drivers in the blind spot are unaware of this.