HOW DID THIS RUN? Honda ATC 250r
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- In this episode, I Help a fellow youtuber @AllBackTires out and try and figure out why his 1982 Honda 250r (first Gen) wont run, Come along as I tear it down and try my best to fix it. This is my first attempt at a first gen 250r, so if I can do it, so can you. 1982 Honda 250r Top end rebuild piston, rings, How to hone a cylinder using a flex hone, first fire up, will it run?
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Gotta say I love the dogs!
Watching you has given me courage to restore an '84 TRX200 that my wife bought as a project. Parts are so scarce that we ran across a parts donor for $100 so with watching your TRX200 AND ATC200ES videos, getting an original service manual from the local Honda dealership (for free if you can believe it) I think we have the knowledge to put together a complete bike.
Thank you for the great videos! When you have time please keep them coming
You can do it scott. Just take your time and follow the manual.
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Assembly lube is always very important... when I did mine I used my bel ray 2 stroke oil on the wrist pin and bearing put some on the rod needle bearings then on the rings and smeared some in the intake ports and on the reed pedals so as soon as it fired it was getting oil all over... smoked like crazy but oil is cheap top ends aren't
I over do it with the grease, "if a little is good...... than a lot id better" lol
@@mrcbuilds yes sir
@@mrcbuilds The bigger the gob the better the job! 😁
@@christopheryarznbowicz6071 I do use up a lot of paper towels. Lol
Man, I have an 81 that looks just like that. They are very similar bikes the 81 and 82. My plastics are original and in a bit better condition, but like you said you were just trying to get it running I completely understand that. I had to rebuild the top end of my 81 baught a top end or jug from ebay and sent them mine luckily I had a spear from another bike that I sent to them not my original because when I got it back with the new wisco piston there were some broke off air fins, witch I was not happy with at all, but I was excited so I pushed forward and put the thing back together and to my Dads surprise the bike started third kick. God Bless my friend.
Awesome story thanks for helping, there is something really special about the first gen. 250r's.
Nice top end rebuild. To bad the carb bad bad. Thanks for sharing brother.
Save the Two-Strokes!
Love the video. I wanna make the idle my ringtone. It makes me believe we can fix them all! Cheers! enjoy the rest of the weekend! See ya at Trikefest!
Thanks Joe, I'm making plans now to be there. I appreciate the support
Should have opened the ports a little and surprised him hahahhaa
That's the kick I needed . Draging my 82 out tomorrow! Po told me it's got 310cc kit in it. Can't confirm but I threw a 32mm carb on it and need to tune the jetting. & finish installing swing arm. They had all thread and I sorced a oem swing arm bolt 🔩 that wasn't cheap...
Hey Chris and Randall, Awesome, glad I could light a fire under ya. 310 kit is going to be sweet!
I've got a 86 xr600r & 1979 xr75 too . Like me some old honda
When you check your ring gap it best to do it further down in the cylinder, that’s where the wear on the cylinder develops,
I will keep that in mind next time, thanks Chris
Fantastic job as always, can't wait for the ride video. Busy day today, picked up my other truck, loaded up a 700 Sportsman and waiting for a seat cover customer to pick up his Brute Force 750 seat. Rode the dx225, 250sx and a 1990 300 fourtrax 4wd I picked up from the original owner, last night before dark and thats the way to end the day. This week I'm building shelves for plow mounts and preparing for the winter project of adding 8ft. steel shelves for the blades and push tubes. Looks like I'll be grinding till the bitter end but I'd rather burn out then fade away.[Words from Neil young]. Take care and I'll be sending a strongly worded message to Harvey.
Thank you sir, you are certainly a busy man, the brute force are huge machines. Be careful.
@@mrcbuilds Got a couple of them in my stash for plowing and towing. Appreciate the thought.
Best ATC vids out there
I would whole heartedly agree, lol thanks for the kind words.
I love your videos, and appreciated your help when I messaged you, that 84, 200m is running like a top, and I’ve had it out on a few trail rides, I love it, thanks again.
I'm glad to help MB thanks for watching and supporting the channel
Brother some people amaze me I jus bought a old 750 Yamaha motorcycle got a inline 4 cyl and dual overhead cams went to crank it no compression took valve cover off and somebody didn't install timin chain lol love the vids brother
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Those hones are good to deburre the sharp port edges.... a good chamfer on the port edges is often overlooked but very necessary
Good investment for time in this one!! Rewarding!! I never was a fan of these high strung 2 strokes, I would take a 200x or 350x any day. Just my opinion, but I sure do appreciate, learn from, and enjoy every one of your videos!! Thanks!! Keep up the good work!! 👍👍
Thank you Chris, I try to educate and still entertain, thanks for watching and subscribing
Keep it up... another great video man! I always like to complete a leak down test on any of my 2 strokes after a rebuild 5 - 7psi for 5 minutes. I like to check crank seals and reed block / boot just to be overly cautious while I am doing a top end especially anything that has some hours on it. Ready to see more of your 250r! Take care buddy!
Hey Taylor, that's a good idea, I will pick up a leak down kit asap. As stated in the video, these are new to me and I'm always willing to learn something about.mechanic. thanks for sharing.
love the content bro, been a honda fan for many years still have my 1985 big red.
That's awesome, Love the Big Reds too. Thanks for watching
Another informative build to help the next guy. It's probably going to be better to heat cycle it with a new carb anyway the break in will go alot more smooth and easier to read.
Your right hanky, that carb is toast. And yes heat cycle and oil change is in order. Thanks for watching
Good job 👍
Grosse force à vous 💪
Merci d'avoir regardé, je suis content que vous aimiez les vidéos. Vive les années 80 et les VTT classiques
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16:25 exactly correct.. technique has very little to do with it, technically its not even a hone it's a "deglazing" but the company is called flex hone.... honing is the second step of oversizing the bore with fixed stones on spring pressure but that's alot of hair splitting...hahahah your explanation is descriptive and down to earth
I'm a simple guy with a simple understanding of mechanics. I try to explain things so everyone can understand it. lol Thanks for the info.
Honing is honing. Over sizing the bore with stones is just user error Increasing cylinder bore size is machinist work. 🤣
@@mrcbuilds it helps keep it up
@@Thumper68 I am an engine machinist. honing is done with fixed stones and fixed guide shoes.... look up sunnen products company see what they have to say about bore finishing and honing...abrasive globules on plastic stalks is not honing.. its deglazing... honing is taking out the last few thousandths after an over bore job, to fit the piston to correct clearance, and yes in the wrong hands stones can do harm
@@tricycleguy2657 I never said abrasive globules on plastic stalks was honing. Stones is way I was taught by my old man. He’s a master machinist and mechanic. My first memories is handing him wrenches and helping him build nasty sbc engines for late model dirt cars way back in day when probably only handful of people in the country could build 700 hp n/a sbc that could run 100 laps lol.
Another awesome video 🤙🏼
Thanks Alex, I'm glad you liked it. Please share with your friends
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Glad to see you MQT&T
@@mrcbuilds If I ever had a low reading, I sprayed oil in the plug hole, and if it went up, it means the rings are bad.
That was a great video on how to use cylinder hones and how to use them. I just realized that on the 82 250R that the chain and sprockets are on the right side of the bike, don't know why I didn't see that before. But always, you do a great job of explaining how things go, and how they should be. BTW what part of FL are you in, I'm only 20 mins south of Orlando. 👍
Hey CJ7, I'm in Tallahassee area, yeah took a while for me too. The chain moves around on different models, most are on the left side but not all. Same with the exhaust changes sides too.
@@mrcbuilds Man, i wish you were closer to where am. Where I'm at all the places we used to go riding are pretty much gone, the freedom we used to have was when we lived on a dirt road, and there was not that many people around, now the home developers have raided up all the land and keep building. If I had the chance, I'd move up not far from where your at between FL and GA, just to get away from the craziness of people, It would be like going back in time over 20 years ago at least.😎
Good stuff man 🤙
Thanks
And the crankcase doesn’t hold oil, the oil is suspended in the fuel and coats the parts as it’s drawn around the crank, the crosshatching holds a small amount of oil to lubricate the piston rings
Tha is for the I fo Chris. These 2 strokes are still very new to me
I notice you always work on boots. Have you ever tried working in flip flops??
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Someome probably took the base gasket out when the rings started sticking thinking it was losing compression.
That's certainly a possibility, seems like a lot of work, but people do odd things. Thanks for watching
They may have also heard that by deleting the base gasket on 2 stroke ehgines you can raise the compression ratio. If deleting one helps? then deleting both base and head gasket should turn it into a rocket right?Lol! Base gasket deleting is very common on "hot saws" (chain saws for competition)to increase the compression ratio or make the piston to head distance closer and squeeze out a little bit more power.
It's easy and no machining is required.Get it wrong though and busted heads and bent rods will ruin your day. I would assume that all of the exhaust ports on that cylinder head could also be polished and the intake ports flowed out and enlarged like a saw also? Anyway, it was a great video!
@@superdog1964 thank you, you never know what you will find when you tear down a 40 years old engine.
Did you do a leak down test
Guns and Roses 👍
1988 was an awesome year!
@@mrcbuilds yup I was 8 years old and riding my uncle's 185s
So cool how there’s no timing chain. Why can’t they all bec2 strokes.
2 - strokes really are the easiest engines, they have a lot less moving parts, this is part of why they rev so fast, I am still learning these myself. But I could get use to cheaper rebuilds. lol
So if you were on the 3rd size piston and the cylinder was damaged can you put a fresh sleeve in those? I just got an 81 250r and I'm just curious.
It might be cheaper to replace the entire cylinder. But yes my understanding is they can be resleaved.
I’ve been watching your channel 250 R on my carburetor has been acting up. Where can I get one of those carburetors from
Www.223cycles.net you you do not see one on his website email him directly. The first gen 250r carbs are hard to keep in stock. Thanks for watching.
Hello I need a little help. I have a 1981 Atc 250r and I did top end and it has 165psi but only confusing part is that It started then it went straight into high revving itself so I shutoff gas. Idk what's wrong with it. Hopefully you can help. Or anyone in comments plz 🙏🏾
Sounds like the carb stuck open. Or may be the cable. Recheck your compression, fill the bowl of the carb with fuel, verify the throttle cable is not sticking, turn the fuel off at the tank, Check you fast idle setting you may have it screwed in to much, you may have the slide in the carb backwards and its hanging up. After checking all this, start it up
And you work on stuff yup we could be friends
I learned early on, if I was ever going to have anything nice, i was going to have to build it.
@@mrcbuilds I hear that
No base gasket raises compression
That may be so, but I don't think its worth the chance of a leak. Thanks for sharing NorthTexasFarming, I visited Dallas once, I always wanted to go into North Texas.
Hi, everyone.
Honda atc 250r 81,82 wheels colours Please. Y-1 ivory yellow?
Nice video.
Hey, the 81/82 250r wheels were painted gold, not anodized like the 85/86. I found a antique or Aztec gold to be pretty close
@@mrcbuilds Thanks for your help.
@@mrcbuilds thank for Help, matt,satin,semi gloss or gloss?
Regards Marques.
@@heldermarques9681 Satin
Many thanks.
Will the same size dingleberry tool work for a stock bore trx 250R?
It should it's based on bore measurement
I’m trying to find correct size since I have stock bore how would I find what size to purchase
@@AlexTorres-ks6kz if your certain tou have the stock bore, then google a std piston for your machine, then take that size piston and convert it to mm using an online calculator. Then search amazon for that mm size flex hone. But the one that is the same or just a mm or 2 bigger.. or use the link in the description for the 250r I used.
What hone part number for 86 250es big red?
This will work for a 74mm bore. amzn.to/3AeF67k
Hello do you sel a saddle for a 81 ?
No sorry i dont.
Verry dificult
What’s the stuff you sprayed on the gas tank
Gas tank? I used diesel fuel as my lubricant for the hone.
Don’t you have a 85 86
@@Hondaatc250r yes i have an 84 and 86
Whats the time stamp in that video do i spray something on the tank? I dont remember.
@@mrcbuilds The stuff you sprayed on the tank when you where working on the on the on the 86 I think and you were polishing it and then you sprayed something on it what was that stuff
First
Good Morning Tricycle guy!
@@mrcbuilds good morning my ATC brother
Don't your feet get hot in them there boots??
A little, but I'm moving so fast there a good breeze