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We Need To END The Two-Party System. Here’s How | Aaron Bastani meets Jeremy Corbyn
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
- Jeremy Corbyn was a Labour MP for almost four decades - and led the party at two general elections. However, this year, despite still being a party member, Corbyn was blocked from standing again in his seat of Islington North. As soon as Rishi Sunak declared a snap general election, and the Labour leadership chose a different candidate, Corbyn announced he would stand as an independent. He was consequently expelled as a party member.
Defying all the odds Corbyn managed to keep his seat, winning almost 50% of the vote. He sat down with Aaron Bastani to discuss that achievement, Labour’s performance more generally, the success of other independents elsewhere - and what the future holds for party politics in the UK. Are we moving towards a different kind of politics? One rooted in community, local networks and public service?
00:00 Intro
01:44 Election Campaign
15:13 Immigration
20:26 The problem With 2024's Vote Share
31:40 Foreign Policy
41:37 What Does the Left do Now?
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The three Corbyn rallies i went to will stay in my memory forever. Im.76 and i had never seen such diverse crowds come out for a politician, where i live, ever.
I went to listen to him speak in London at the protest against the first Trump State visit in Trafalgar Square. When him and Caroline Lucas were speaking, there were so many crowds, that the people at the back couldn't even see the TVs. I had some trouble earlier. The MET police racially profiled me on purpose and harassed me to try and keep me from going to the crowd assembled at Trafalgar Square. When I finally got there after what happened, I didn't even know I was hearing Corbyn's voice, there were so many people there. After Jeremy Corbyn and Caroline Lucas stopped speaking, a few people moved on, and I finally managed to see David Lammy on the TV monitor.
Coincidentally, the then Channel 4 Presenter Jon Snow was lurking around on the ground, listening to his speech. In the middle of the massive crowd, I ran headlong into him, I was open-mouthed, I couldn't say a word, and he smiled. When I blinked, he vanished into the crowd ...
Tbh I think there would have been huge difficulties if he’d been PM, because he’s a campaigner not a leader, but he touched on what so many people wanted, still want and have not got
@@normalaming3943😢
It's a frustration that he could never project this campaigner persona as a leader and overdid the diplomat persona as leader 🙄
@normalaming3943 I disagree. People are so used to lying self servers being primeminister, they think a good man is weak. There is nothing weak about JC. Compassion is a huge strength in fact! He had a manifesto that was approved by top economists!
When you are with Jeremy or not in relation to his politics, you have to support and admire his dedication to Islington North for 40+ years. That loyalty has been paid back now and has defeated the Labour machine.
Can’t stand the man on his politics, but you cannot the people’s loyalty.
What is there to not admire in the man’s politics for the many and not for the few military and greedy political establishment for a change. The manifesto with proposed changes was fully costed by a long list of academics and professors from the best UK universities.
If people have took the time to read the actual thing and looked at all the professors endorsements and not at what the crazy corrupt media was showing, redacting all of his actual speeches or comments to make him look ridiculous and repeatedly arguing how non-electable he was until people could not fight the force anymore and accepted the non-electability (not establishment approved, any way) point without giving it much thought at the end 😢.
The character of the man is beautiful, his politics have always been too. So sad you can’t run against the corrupt money machine of the establishment and the Israeli lobby.
@@PrivateSi Sure thing, champ. That's what is happening. Especially with how much of his platform was manipulated by the Labour Right psychos so Labour would lose in 2019. Keep pretending centrism and neoliberalism aren't the products of diseased minds.
@@PrivateSi You'd be surprised just how popular a lot of his policies are, when people are asked to judge them without any name attached to them. For example, he'd want local communities to have more of a say about how their area is run as opposed to central diktat. You probably like that one, just for one example.
Do you think they still deserve to have someone like Corbyn representing their values in Westminster?
If not you're suggesting the people of Islington North should have other people's opinions forced on them @@PrivateSi
Whenever I hear Jeremy speak, it's clear that he represents everything politics SHOULD be. The fact he terrified the political establishment so much (including factions of his own party) speaks volumes about the corrupt gravy train UK politics has become.
Whole heartedly agree!
I hate politics with every fibre of my body and I am a natural pessimist due to the hopeless policies I witnessed the past 20 years.
Jeremy Corbyn was the only politician in my lifetime to give me hope and I usually never cry but when the exit poll showed in 2019. I shed a few highly concentrated testosterone tears.
I hope nothing best for this amazing man!
The 2017/2019 manifesto was the best manifesto I have ever read.
I get the same sense of hope from the Greens
@@salembennett3232Wilson got 37% and 39% in 1974.
@penderyn8794and dolphins according to Douglas Adams. 😂
I cried too and this latest election brought it all back. Jeremy Corbyn, the best PM we never had xxx
God, it's so refreshing to hear him speak. Credit to Jeremy for keeping his head up through everything he's been through. Legend.
Jeremy will always be my prime minister in my heart
I genuinely do not understand how one can hate this man.
ZIonism - without Israel he would've been the UK Prime Minister!
Brainwashing and poor education.
Me either. I find it upsetting when pundits that I otherwise often agree with such as James O'Brien paint him like the antichrist.
He supports victim consciousness.
@@nathanaelsmith3553James O'Brien is soooo 'fabricated' left-wing...
Jeremy is an honorable man 👍
I love Jeremy's values. Congratulations to him on his win in North Islington. What a shame he isn't our current PM.
“What a shame he isn’t our current pm”
Move to Africa to get the Corbyn experience
What a lovely, wise, kind man.
I always have time for Corbyn
Hes my grandad and i wont have anyone say any different. I love this man
The algorithm has really throttled this video. Warning, may contain truth, hope, and choice.
I'm not sure what happened there. I saw it in my feed this morning and was going to watch it in due course, then it apparently disappeared entirely and I couldn't find it even when I searched. Now it's back (and I think the title changed?) and has been appearing regularly in my feed for the last couple of hours.
Just a guess but I wonder if NM pulled it for a couple of hours, for some reason or another :)
I get all novara notifications but I was never notified of this video.
Same. Everything but this one showing...
Observable reality: doesn’t contain any truth, hope or choice
Watching this made me so hopeful and determined and also made me laugh several times, in a good way. Thank you, Jeremy. It's so good you're taking up the Community Assembly cause and realising you're too good for the Labour Party ❤🙌✊️
Always a pleasure hearing his words directly. Another inspiring and revealing interview.
Really looking forward to building on the wins of the independents and having the opportunity to create a grass roots movement. It's the alternative the country needs.
Yes definitely, by the next election so many more people will be savvy to how important it is to get independents in!
@@sharonpole2090 Unfortunately people need to be broken of the obsession of only voting for the main two parties (it's the same here), every cycle they just jump from one to the other and are always shocked nothing improves. Drives me nuts.
@@joeavreg2254 I think people are ready to think about an alternative though.
@@joeavreg2254madness isn't it!?
Great conversation, thanks Aaron and NM. It is great to see JC re-elected as an independent!
💯 totally. Amazing interview. Great stuff by Aaron and NM.
Jeremy Corbyn’s ability to retain his humanity, personal & professional integrity in the hypocritical, rather degenerate & transactional political environment we’ve created is extraordinary
No doubt that is part of the reason some in Labor show such disdain
In him, by contrast, they can see themselves
Which is what makes him perfect for the job of PM. And his humility.
Wow, that was so succinct and poetic!.
So spot on!!
Thank you for this wonderful interview it has made me feel more optimistic at least for a little while.
I'm not sure they know the recipe. Wonderful. The crowing of labour mps over their 'big win' compared to this result. This was the result I sat up for on election night and I live in the North. What has upset me is that Starmers ridiculous war on the left was so unnecessary and has devastated the party.
Only a very narrow church will do for Sir Starmer.
No wonder his "My" Labour earned fewer votes than Corbyn's.
Jeremy articulates the voice of millions here at home and around the world - including mine. So pleased he won his seat and his voice remains in parliament.
Why was this only recommended to me days after it was published? I would have instantly clicked on it.
Om my god what a travesty. You've been robbed. Imagine if you'd seen this when it was first uploaded.
Not exactly the point intended. If you read the comments, many have noticed this phenomenon and would suggest the algorithm isn't recommending this video to people. Especially as every piece of long form content produced by Novara typically features prominently on my CZcams. Videos not appearing until much later will stifle view counts and channel growth.
Always refreshing and hopeful to hear from am honest and decent man. ✌🏻❤️
Voice of the people
What a fabulous man
He's right! Us?We little people have to stick together and support each other, for no one else will! JC in name, JC in nature.
Nobody - *nobody* - was singing Kier Starmer's name at football stadiums when "Seven Nation Army" came on
That's because Kier Starmer leads the Labour Party, not a personality cult.
@@Johnnie-dh1we Yeah I'm sure Keir Starmer would reject the idea of people showing affection for his politics and morals like they did and do for Corbyn, if he had a chance. Just give it a rest.
@Johnnie-dh1we Corbyn's personality is an allotment dwelling geography teacher, people liked his policies more than his personality. Hes hardly some amazing rabble rousing orator.
Starmer has no personalty or policy base to excite people with. He is unpopular and uninspiring. He won because of the sheer failure of the Conservatives.
People believed in the movement Corbyn represented. Dismissing it as personality cult just shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
@@AlexLoveLizard crowds of people chanting his name, posting on-line that they love him, wearing t shirts with his face on and getting furious with anyone that criticise him.
@@AlexLoveLizard all your posts shows is that you don't know what a cult is or how they function.
Heck YEAH!!!! Love our socialist king 🤴 💝
Elected representative, not King
Representative by consent of the governed. He’d be the first to disavow the title of king, even though everyone knows you didn’t mean it to specifically refer to the institution of the monarchy
Socialists need to look at socialism throughout history and tell me where its successfully being implemented for the good of a society as a whole?
@@Oliver-qd2smCorbyn was actually in favour of a social democracy and cited Sweden as an example.
@@Oliver-qd2sm Where has socialism - the idea of placing resources and workplaces of a society in the hands of workers themselves for a democratised economy and subsequently democratised society - been implemented on a national or international level to start with?
And on the other hand, you, I and everyone else is benefitting today from a whole range of rights and conditions that socialist movements, worker unions and their political organisations won from private capital starting in the 19th century.
Content with those two facts next time you pose that question, if you are asking it in good faith.
51 peoplehave liked this video and havent even seen it yet. Thats how poplular Jeremy Corbyn is. ha ha ha ha this is brilliant go for it JC
Love this man, and this conversation
Novara owe Jeremy many more interviews like this after not defending him properly from the bs antisemitism onslaught during his GE campaigns.
They even said he is going to lose his seat against Labour according to a so-called poll. They are shameless
Agreed 💯
@@fws2572to be fair they weren’t the only poll, even Corbyn was pleasantly surprised with the result I bet
But Novara and Owen Jones are certainly not as trustworthy on Corbyn as I would like
@@fws2572 ~That is a common tactic to boost votes
@@scallamander4899 No Owen Jones said from the beginning he will win.
What a person ❤
Literally moisturized, in his lane, thriving.
What a great man!
Great video again Novara!
I want to see Jeremy Corbyn as my prime minister. He's just a down-to-earth and compassionate man.
Whatever your views on Jeremy Corbyn he is a principled politician not in it for his own gain. His socialist ideology is sincere.
Genuinely love this man❤
Great guest, and so good to see Jeremy on the main platform at the Durham Miner's Gala last Saturday
THE best Prime Minister we never had.
@29:15 Jeremy, as usual, is on top of his facts. Time constraints probably prevented his being able to mention that on top of the fact that far from all 1930s German jews being made welcome in Britain, there was a class element too - very wealthy jews were fast tracked and of the working class jews "accepted" many were only welcome because they happened to be servants of those wealthy families.
If Corbyn started a party, not necessarily with as him as the leader as I'm sure he's probably had enough of that, they might be able to selectively target a few city seats and take them from Labour relatively easily, building towards a wider strategy - could target seats not being targeted by the Greens/have a coalition approach. If Corbyn asked me to campaign for a candidate, I would be there.
Mr Corbyn is more definitely right about hope; his election as Labour leader created a sense of hope and change especially amongst younger people whereas Keir Starmer got into government on a wave of apathy and lack of expectation the likes of which I cant ever remember !!
Nice one Jeremy, you are one of the few politicians I thoroughly respect. Have some great teddy bear shaped manhole covers where I live
Great interview with Jeremy : a really decent, intelligent guy (emotionally intelligent also !) , and a true democrat
Well said and so glad you mentioned JC has emotional intelligence also. Because that is what is sadly lacking in politics and JC is quite unique in that sense
I am so happy to say that I have voted for him every time I've voted!
I hate to admit it but I am absolutely awestruck by his speaking points and rationality. I had always thought he was more "untethered" from reality, boy was I wrong. I'd be interested in his thoughts concerning migration to fill jobs and the competing process of automation and AI. Great talk.
It's such a tragedy what the mainstream media did to stop more of the UK electorate understanding what he's really about. Let people know!
Can I ask what it was that created the impression of ‘untethered’ within your mind before you watched this interview? Thanks for sharing
@@GetGwapThisYear I believe I fell for the conservatives are more experienced on budgetary issues / economy and his talk about nationalizing the railways seemed like an anachronism. Perhaps that untethered from reality view was that, in fact ,he was ahead of his time NOT behind the times 😞
@@2010Sisko I appreciate you being honest about it.
@@2010Siskoeconomy means nothing, what good is a strong economy if it only serves the rich
We ended up with Johnson, I emigrated to Mexico - I was so pissed off. Jeremy Corbyn is a great man.
So you emigrated because you didn’t get your way.
Did mummy never say no to you or don’t you like democracy?.
@@user-tt6il2up4o You're right of course. I cried all the way to Mexico and to a nice teaching job. Weekends I played gigs in the local bars and restaurants. Tequisquiapan is the town. I had a 2 year residency at a restaurant that allowed me to eat there 6 nights a week, I brought 10 different Mexican girlfriends to eat there too. I missed 8 years of May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak - the whole Brexit fiasco. God, I'm such a bitter person! Hahahahaha!!! Hope you're good dude.
@@alanscott7798 so even somewhere like Mexico with all of its issues has a better migration policy than us. I refuse to believe a Brit is called Troy lol.
@@user-tt6il2up4oif the place doesn't suit one and he she moves to a place that does that makes a sensible person and highly likely to live longer if the person is happier good on you😊
@@alanscott7798 so then you should be thanking Johnson then?
I am with Jermy.
What I don't like about Jeremy is the fact he does not address that people in this country are not happy about the levels of immigration. And he really does not talk about ReformUK in light of the amount of people which want this change. It's his agenda or no agenda and that's why he got into trouble.
You guys give me hope ❤
Aaron always talks about reducing the number of seats in parliament. But with American-sized constituencies with four or five times the number of votes cast Jeremy wouldn’t have been able to canvass his way to a victory. Fewer seats -> larger constituencies & more voters -> money wins.
Good point
...and if you want proportional representation, you need multi-seat districts - and even if you get that partly by consolidating some (which I'm not in favor of, for the reason stated), you'd still need more per district if you want to give adequate representation. Aaron is indeed bass-ackwards on this.
Logic and common sense - expressed clearly - thank you.
I've come to terms that I will die angry about 2019, but this was a fantastic interview. PM of our hearts, looking forward to the future of an Independent Jeremy.
I love this man he is polar opposite what Starmer is labourers. He wants to represent the the people not the top 1%. I hope he lives a long and successful life. He talks people listen because he listens.
...'opposite what Starmer is labourers'?
Jemery corbyn enemy to middle class ?? He a communist
My heart full Respect to you both
Always great to hear JC
Funny you mean.
@@user-tt6il2up4o here you are again. Keep hate-commenting mate, it helps the algorithm. There’s a good bot.
The greatest PM we never had!!
he's got a nice sense of humour, I love that
JC on form, great interview
The prime minister of the people's heart.
Not many evidently form the election results?
❤
Jezza always ♥️
Aaron, it's okay to be nice to Jeremy, he's a friend of the show 😂. Stop this devil's advocate thing
Great interview, Love Corbynism
Listening to Jeremy makes me really sad, it was a huge missed opportunity. It was the first time ever I'd been excited in politics, really saw good things were going to come, and then nothing. I hate how he is now a bench mark for labour...they are needy pick me, shouting "were not like Corbyn!“, pathetic!
I love the idea of this style of local politics. People would get involved if they think they can make a difference.
And that’s why some form of PR electoral system is vital.
Seats won should reflect votes cast.
He's sooo back!
@Novara Media
Please make this video 'clippable', so we can extract the bit about them "not knowing the recipe" for humble pie 🙂
I just love this man. We were bamboozled with what we got.
Independents are the way to go, These 2 partys are the same 2 cheeks of the same arse.
Jeremy gave me hope when he became labour leader, which then disappeared when he was basically stabbed in the back. As disabled and living the highlife on universal credit because I am unable to work (that was sarcasm btw) the fear of what will happen to people like me increased. I felt labour had robbed me of my hope, with the noises coming from the DWP now, seems I was right to be fearful 🤬🤬🤬
I hope Jeremy Corbyn does pass on his many years of experience to the new independent MP's to allow them to be as effective as possible within Parliament. I do think if they can create a "prototype" as you have said that shows independents are capable of having an impact it will lead to more running and being elected in the future !!
❤ Jeremy so much xxx
Whenever I was told that Jeremy Corbyn was "unelectable", I would always ask "Why?". No one could give me an answer.
Yes please. A fair and kind man. ❤
Did Corbyn care that much about ending the 2 party system when he was a Labour member, even before he became leader?
He was ‘lukewarm at best’ when it came to scrapping first past the post in favour of a form of PR, which is the most effective way to end the 2 party system, especially as Labour and the Tories would then clearly split. His mentor Tony Benn staunchly favoured keeping FPTP.
Interesting to see Corbyn talk about France left alliance, the UK Greens, and other UK independents.
I wonder if in 5 years time it's possible to make a "left of Labour" pact so that candidates aren't treading on each other's toes. Maybe even the Lib Dems would be interested if electoral reform to Proportional Representation was part of a joint agreement.
damn what could have been with this man in font of a goverment
the uk and the rest of the world really loose a great chance to be better
Please, please, invite him regularly! So interesting. The best PM we never had.
Wtf
Has this video been shadow banned?
Or perhaps it was because the video was released on a weekend.
No Corbyn is irrelevant.
@@user-tt6il2up4o He got re elected. So he is relevant where it matters most.
@@metalhamster14perfect riposte 👌
@@user-tt6il2up4o lol. Yeah clearly. That’s why you’re here.
Good bless this man
Yes. As an Independent Parliamentary Candidate in GE24, in the Eltham and Chislehurst Constituecy, I speak from experience.
Always good to hear from Jeremy.
So long as there are two dominant political parties nothing is going to change. This debate raises its head every twenty years or so.
I live in Barking and Dagenham I even wanted to help out !! If I could have ❤
Brilliant conversation,that.
Novara should give JC an open invitation...esp after their (lack) of proper analysis about what was really going on to get rid of him as leader at the time...they could have done better, but nobody's perfect..
Yeh Jeremy will always be my PrimeMinister for the many not the few 🇵🇸🙌🗳️🤩
Brilliant interview. Disliked his Brexit stance but agree with everything else. Fair and compassionate man.
What stance?
@@syriacchristianity9007 exactly! It was obscure.
@@CLAUDIAMORT so sick of this bullshit excuse. Starmer’s 2nd ref policy made it into the manifesto, despite Jeremy’s wish to uphold the democratic vote, in its best form for working people. I didn’t want Brexit either, but the method of implementation was the greatest threat we faced, and the electorate went the wrong way because they’re gullible. That’s not Jeremy’s fault.
@@GetGwapThisYear I was not attaching blame to him for how the vote went. My issue was that many people did not know what his actual stance was. He was not very clear and it always felt he was sitting on the fence. Some say he is a europhile whilst others say he pro EU.
Not cocoa butter😮a man of the people😂
We’ll always love you Jeremy ❤
I always thought the economic argument for sustaining migration is just prolonging the inevitable. If our economy doesn't work unless we keep more people coming in, then it is essentially a ponzi scheme. Don't get me wrong, transitioning out of that economic model takes time but it doesn't start until we recognise the problem. It is basically another climate change that we are going to have to face at some point.
Better to make the moral argument for migration imo.
God he's so good.
Love JC and Bernie Sanders. we really need many more like them. There are still decent politicians like Zarah sultana and john mcdonnell etc
I would love to meet Jeremy just to say thank you. He has earned his respect and love. Thats what alot of MP'S dont understand!
Cocoa butter!!😅
Absolutely brilliant, as always!
I remember his speech in Liverpool as loto. Very emotional for me
as loto?
@@stuartwray6175 Leader Of The Opposition.
I’m 66 now,came politically aware in late in the 1970s or early 80s under thatcher and I thought that if enough people were politically motivated enough you could make a difference,I was wrong. It makes no difference what the majority of people want,it is what the establishment wants,hence all the Eton elites and when that fails the pretence of Blair and Starmer,I have now come to the conclusion that it is a waste of time to oppose them,we can’t win,plus you have the turkeys voting for Christmas
Winning does suit him as an independent
I am not impressed by how Aaron conducted the interview. A journalist is meant to challenge the interviewee, but this hardly happened.
Didn't he put at least four opposing views to Corbyn?
@@KatieScarlett2353 More like "I hope you don't mind I am going to pretend I don't love you for a minute" kind of question. So many opportunities for a real challenge i.e. I wish Aaron had challenged Corbyn on the issue of the boats and immigration: "Hang on Jeremy, human right yes but what about organized crime behind the boats coming. Surely we should do something about this, right?
Journalists can focus on & publish good news stories too. The interview wasn't about illegal immigration. I thought it was more about the "how he did it", & what that means, rather than focusing on a single issue, e.g. transforming the ways constituencies work via the community forums.
Challenge him on what?
@@GetGwapThisYear on his expressed views. Journalists are meant to play devil advocate.
Decency has value
The thing about politicians flip flopping on benefits and immigration is so true. These reactionary politicians get elected on anti-immigration rhetoric and when they get to power they’re like “oh shit we have no workers we need immigrants”.
I have some reservations about Jeremy. But all told he'd get my vote. He's just a better human being than most in politics.
I'll advise Corbyn to stop using the colonizers "P" and change it to the liberated "B".
So two barty system, free balestine, brotesting, etc....