Russian Rifles of World War 1 I THE GREAT WAR Special feat. C&Rsenal
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Indy and Othais from C&Rsenal talk about Russian Rifles during World War 1.
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Fun fact! In Russia the Mosin-Nagant is just called "Mosin rifle". Nagant's name only appears in non-Russian sources because Nagant claimed that one of his patents was used on the rifle.
It isn't a "claim", it is a fact. Nagant was under contract to Russia for the rifle's development, with ultimately the magazine being his main contribution. He was paid for his efforts pursuant to the contract. Since Russia hardly ever credits a non-Russian inventor, it is no surprise that Nagant was somehow overlooked in their history.
First of all, Nagant had stolen the design of the main point of controversy, namely, the interrupter, from Mosin, who, being an officer, could not apply for patent himself. However, for political reasons Leon Nagant was paid ludicrously for the use of his patents by Russian government - and, one could say, for same reasons his name appears in Western sources alongside with Mosin's. Secondly, regarding Russia 'hardly ever' crediting 'a non-Russian inventor', I would argue the contrary - that is, that the West rarely if ever aknowledges Russian inventors.
It was simply called the Nagant rifle. Mosin is known to us westerners.
It’s also called the garbage rod
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C&Rsenal really does not have the subscriber count they deserve.
It`s a niche channel, even more so than forgotten weapons IMO, it sets a natural limit to the subscriber count.
Those of us with the interest will just have to watch even more videos hehe ;)
I don't know about your sub's but there's nothing wrong with
The mosia naguat
Jacob Eberhardt b
I agree, although I take consolation in the fact that they have a really high watch-to-subscriber ratio (which many of the much bigger channels can't boast at all about) and they are doing very well on their Patreon.
Well, strictly speaking there WAS cossack model of Mosin rifle. But they almost identical with dragoon rifle. Cossacks was not supposed to use a bayonet (they consider it as a peasant's weapon), therefore cossack rifles was zeroed to shoot without bayonet. Dragoon and infantry rifles was zeroed with attached bayonet only.
It is the only real difference, but in Tsarist army they find this thing important enough to consider dragoon and cossack rifles as a separate models.
Sword is the only real men weapon
The 6.5 Arisaka cartridge was way ahead of its time. What a great round.
Mae's grin after she shoots something always makes my day.
"You can train around that, or you can just make the gun idiot-proof"
WW1 guns in a nutshell
That Mp18 in the background is teasing me
Hagen, watch out! There is a shocktrooper!
We all get a little wall envy when looking at Othias's wall.
It could be an Mp 28
Ikr
Sir Boomsalot it’s the mp18 they did a video on
The Great War
FOR 'OUT OF THE TRENCHES'
What would happen if one part of a trench was taken, but on that same trench, the enemy still occupied it due to an unsuccessful assault (say 700 meters down)? Would they barricade the trench in the middle? Or move back on the whole front to another row of trenches? Or would the assault carry on until the whole line was taken over, which could take a significant amount of time if there is resistance.
I love your channel by the way and look forward to each video you make.
It`s a bad idea being ON a trench, just saying..
If you breach a trench, you secure its entry and flank out, getting more men in, then advance if you have the option to do so.
If a trench is overwhelmed, the decision to pull back depends on the force of the entry, if 10-20 men breach the middle of a trench and you have 50 on each side, you will regain that position and keep the trench, were it opposite, you`d likely want to fall back.
If I held a trench and a part was breached, I`d flood and rush if I had the opportunity, rather than falling back.
Not that I`m an expert in trench warfare hehe.
I think I have a problem, because I just realised i would still watch these shows if Othais described 'Russian Plumbers Tools of 1914 - 1918".
It helps that Othais is knowledgeable and articulate, and expresses the knowledge very clearly. He is certainly a joy to listen to and learn from.
I want to see those plumbers tools .
That's not a problem, that's having discerning tastes and knowing what you enjoy.
To be fair, I'd listen to either of these gentlemen read the paper or phone book.
They both have excellent delivery, enunciation and personality.
@@VarangianGuard13 Lol - it's fun laughing at stuff you forgot you wrote years ago.
@@the51project I know, right?
Ouch that hurt as a lover of Mosins 😂 I love my 91/30 and I have had zero problems with it and it is a truly reliable gun. The bolt is smooth, and it has that nice 7.62x54r round that you can buy for nothing. Once you learn how to put rounds into a clip properly it's extremely easy to avoid rim lock. Also it's easy to clean, requiring very little time and effort, no matter if you are using non-corrosive or corrosive ammo. It's a truly great gun.
This, this so much man. My little heart was a bit torn :( @C&Rsenal
I love Mosins too. Just because it’s imperfect doesn’t mean you can’t love them. Heck, apparently Othias actually likes Mosins as well, even though he knows the design has flaws
Interesting stuff. The Mosin Nagant did have a very long service life, but it wasn't a matter of sticking with the tried and true. The Red Army planned to be the first in the world with its infantry completely equipped with semi-autos, the SVT 38/40. But then along came the Nazis and they had to put the cheaper and simpler Mosin back into production.
David Olie forgive me if I’m wrong, but if they were working on the SVT til the Germans invaded in 41’, wouldn’t they have been the second army to have a common infantry semi automatic gun in the world. Cause America adopted M1 Garand in 36’, 5 years before the invasion of Russia.
@@Jegbmf not the entire American Army was equipped with the M1 I believe.
Jegbmf Mexico was the first army to adopt a self loafing rifle as its standard infantry rifle with the Mondragón in 1908
12:28 When will women's pants finally have pockets large enough to support multiple clips of WWI era ammunition. Get with the times fashion designers!
Honestly, we're lucky to get pockets at all
The smile on the lady who uses the firearms is awesome!
I have a M1891 that was made in Finland during the Winter War. :) Amazing rifles.
What model is it and from which factory? M1891s weren't manufactured in Finland, especially not during our independence, but we did rebuild old Mosins into new rifles.
Sweet! Two of my fave channels together, again!
The best special yet, well done guys, you’ve found the right formula. Keep it up, and I’m looking forward to more, and the WWII series too.
I love this pair up. Two fantastic channels!!
Indy!!! Do a video on the machine guns with Ian from Forgotten Weapons!! 💖🙏
PLZZZZZZZZZZZ
Gun Jesus shall bless TheGreatWar with his knolodge
Is that how people call Ian now? Gun Jesus? Very fitting!
As Gun Friendly the US is, it's still hard to get machine guns. It's best to just check out Ian's channel and Othais.
masterimbecile
they've been calling him that for ages....and Othais is Gun Santa
You guys are awesome! I love watching these on my free time!
Ian did do a Mosin Nagant mud test but it wasn't on Forgotten Weapons. It was on his other channel InRange TV with Karl.
Yes, they confirmed that the Mosin's bolt is especially prone to blockage. I think the only bolt-action rifle that hasn't utterly failed is the Type 38 Arisaka.
I hope you brought your flippers guys and gals, cos otias is on about russian rifles and that water gets pretty deep 😲
Best collaboration episode so far
oh yeah this is what I've been waiting for!
And here we go! I've been waiting for this one.... 😃
Mae is awesome.
Suggestion for a special episode: Herbert Hoover's Belgian relief effort. Hoover was a successful mining executive visiting England in July 1914 and decided to stay there to start the largest aid campaign of the war. The Belgian relief campaign brought him great fame and launched a political career which ended in the Presidency. In retrospect, his work in World War I was the greatest success of his whole career.
New stuff from 2 greatest channels and teams on line/TV/Radio ANY media. Nice way to make up for a crappy Monday lol
I bought my Enfield Mrk III SLME last month, I shot it for the first time yesterday. I bruised my arm pretty badly. Definitely not a waste, scared everyone in the range with the noise. The guy next to me had a 1920 Tommy gun so we got to talking. Its cool to own a firearm that is 101 years old.
Been waiting for this :D
Mae shooting the Nagant..Mae's tradmark smile of damn I love shooting..on the Nagant its more..damn I best TRY a smile for the camera
gosh what an awesome channel and awesom collab with this beardy gun guy :D so cool
I've been Watching this since the start, excellent series
Thank you for the video
About the 1891/30, they were plans to sustitute it by the Semiautomatic Rifle Tokarev (SVT-40), but they decided to keep the 1891/30 due to its reduced production cost.
Boom! Headshot.... Nice video guys
Would be so cool to see Othais compare and talk about sights and scopes from WW1
Nice!
Indy and Othais, will you have a top ten rifles that May would have carried into the trenches special? The why she would carry it over the others of the time?
I just saw another video where I think she said it was Springfield 1917?
You should invite Othais and Ian on to one show,that would be fantastic!
When I saw the thumbnails, instantly "mosin, mosin, mosin" are showed up in my mind.
I would be happy if this channel reached 1 million subs
Mae isn't afraid of recoil from that carbine !
Merle Morrison She fired a tankgewehr. After that, any rifle is like a bb gun.
The staggered loading method of a 5 round clip as by used with the British Enfield 0.303, may have worked better. However, the SMLE 10 round mag was a bit different.
Opa! They are beautiful blin!
awesome
My Father had a deer rifle that was marked from the Springfield armory that also had the Russian Imperial proof mark on the receiver and the date 1917. It was similar to the first 2 rifles you had shown. Have you ever seen a rifle like that?
Here in US the number of guns brought by the pre Czar Government for WW1 was incredibly. Springfield did do orders for Russian guns.
Remington and Springfield both made Mosin rifles under contract because of limited production capacity at the Russian arsenals
A lot of Winchester's development into the Model 1895 was NOT related to balance.
1: Previous lever-action rifles were quite weak, and weren't strong enough to use full power military cartridges like 7.62x54R. This meant that Winchester often had issues getting contacts for their guns from militaries.
2: Spitzer Cartridges do not mix with tube magazines. At the time of the development of the Model 1885, the Spitzer cartridge was just becoming popular, but save the M1886 Lebel rifle, spitzer cartridges don't work well in tube magazines and tend to explode when fired. This is why the rifle has a box magazine.
Will TGW do a country special on Belarus and Ukraine? this show is Awesome!!!!!
Trying to put something together on Ukraine at least.
I own a type 30 I would have been pissed if I never saw that bravo my friend that is the third one I've ever seen.
Regarding Indy's comment about which rifle was most popular with the men, I imagine they were just happy to have anything that fired. (Referencing a weekly episode that said there were times when weapons were in such short supply Russian soldiers had to scavenge rifles from dead comrades because they had none of their own.)
D'awww she looks so happy shooting those rifles. :3
Cringe
Your Amazon link for the books is not working, just so you guys know. Great episode :)
Speaking about the Winchester 1895 in military use having to work that lever action would be a real hassle working it while prone. That could be a real drawback in the field.
Not worse than changing a 30 round mag while prone. Angle the gun 60 degrees and work the lever.
Great vid. That woman’s having a great time too 🙂
i own a moisen-nagant m91/30, and granted mine was made in 1936, but mine doesnt have any of these problems and is super accurate!
I have a question please, for the out of the trenches.1. did the central powers and allies use the bayonet in the same way or did they have a different training method for each nation involved in the great war ?2. did the Italian and austrain costal fortifications, did they ever fire their guns in anger ?I enjoy your show, it really beats the torture of sitting through a 45 min doco.
No and no
Indy and the C&R, how Blyatiful!
Indy, this is a great video about the Russian rifles of WW1. You should review the Battlefield 1 Apocalypse DLC trailer. It's short, but I want your take on it
"goes into detail." biggest understatement of ww1!!!
do you have something against slings othias?
I'm surprised to hear him talk about all the problems w/ the Mosin-Nagant, as I've always heard it is some wonderful weapon...but maybe by Round 2 all the problems had been sorted.
In Russian Empire, as i know, the were three types of this rifles - long version, that can be used with bayonet for infantry shorter version for cossacks that can' t be used with bayonet, and short version that can be used with a bayonet for dragoons, but there were no sniper version, sniper version came only in USSR times...
They were pre- 1930s sniper ones made but they were done by other countries and private arms companies who made a small fortune in 1930s Great Depression.
Who wrote the subtitles for this episode? They are amazing! :-D
I did.
The credits are in the very bottom of the description
Who ever looks at the pretty person shooting a mosin, thinking "it don't really kick" better make sure they buy soft loaded ammo as well!
On everything I've owned two and shot Dozens and dozens of rounds surplus ammo... Then again I've shot the Modern reloaded "light loads" ... pretty was shooting the latter. Enjoyed this vid! Thumbs up!
Fun fact in serbia mosin nagant is also called "moskovka" which means moscow rifle
Being a busy body again. What I think a lot of people would be interested in seeing is all those photos, and movie footage, of guys with these weapons and other kit. If could be a slide show and Indy, Othais, et al could be sliding around the little red dot saying, 'that's a Mosin nagant yadayada..' With WWI soldiers they'd be more standardized, but during the Russian Revolution and Civil War, as these events progressed weaponry and kit probably become more 'eclectic' (rummage sale) and as they captured or over ran more conventional units and armories may become more standardized. Did Eisenstein get the machine guns right for Ten Days That Shook the World? (That scene told me all I needed to know about violent revolution. I'll stick with Gandhi and King.)
In spite of being referred to as the "Garbage Rod" I really want a Mosin.
Would be great to see a direct comparison of all the rifles and determine which were the best and which were the best relative to easy production and cost
Tr|cks any Mauser variant is the best.
I guess the game he's talking about is Battlefield 1.....I really think the game developers should have consulted channels such as this for 'historical content'. I have played it A LOT but put off now with the reliance on semi auto and fully auto for all classes except for sniper which is the closest you get to the standard infantryman in the Great War although there are some die hard players who custom games that negate all that auto crap!
I'm looking forward to the USA episode! Probably going to be overwhelmed with patriotic sentiment.
Moredread25 not rooting our horn, but the 1911 is incredible compared to its contemporaries. The 1903 is solid and the 1917 is also superb
Patriotic about copying the mauser k...
JUST BRILLIANT, Guys! MANY THANKS!!!
Othais, you mentioned that you're doing some research on Russian Imperial guns right now. If you need any reliable Russian sources, or need translating the ones already on your list - please, just let me know. Hopefully, I could be of some help...
I think you should get in touch with him on his own channel. Link in the video description.
Thanks, Flo. Sorry, I did not mention it in the first place, but invitation usually extends to the hosts.
I love the subtitles xD
I always see people bring up that Forgotten Weapons videos of the Mosin mud test. The thing is though, trenches weren't really a thing on the Eastern Front. I mean they were there, but much of the fighting was done around farms, rivers, railroad stations. Especially railroads. So mud wasn't really a problem unless the soldier was dumb enough to leave it lying on the ground on a rainy day.
Yes, mud is over rated. Usually soldier take care of his gun. Most problems whit gun(in wwII) was cause by winter or sandy soil. When there was huge artillery bombing (thousands of cannons firing for hours), it make what soldiers called "sand fog" . It jammed weapons alot.
The 3 Line Rifle AKA the Mosin was actually designed to withstand harsh winter conditions.
That's because Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian troops weren't entrenched for long. The vast landscapes allowed for a lot more maneuver. That was why in 1915, German high command decided on a major offensive against the Russians, since they couldn't break through the French and British lines on the Western Front.
Rasputitsa
I honestly love the mosin
That guy has enough firepower to take the Winter Palace.
After shooting my mosin i noticed that it loosened up the bolt making it easier to cycle the bolt.
Could you talk about Australia more on this show. I think it hasn't been given the spotlight it deserves. :)
Think how the kiwis feel.
I have a Russian 1891 Nagant Rifle with a 1914 production date and Imperial Russian Coat of Arms stamped on it. The rifle is stamped "The Peter The Great Tula Arsenal" on the hex head receiver. It did see replacement parts with many mismatched serial numbers with Kyiv Arsenal stamps on it my best guess is that mine was rebuilt in Ukraine and during or possibly after WWI ended. I scarfed it up for $100.00 and from what I can see it has no import stamps or marks on it making it a possible war trophy. I have Never had any issues with it when shooting it.
Pre war and early First World War rifles have a much better build quality than the later Soviet production which could probably explain it.
more than likely I did have a 91/30 it was ok but I was not happy with the grouping when target shooting. I do much better with the 1891 at 100 yards.
Came for the moist nuggets... stayed for the beard
This entire episode can be summed up in two words...MOSIN NAGANT.
You used to be able to buy a 91/30 for under a $100 at big five in California
This rifle has been used alot by Czechoslovak legions aswell, i belive that this rifle has seen the most wars out of all the guns out there. You don't see many ww1 or pre-ww1 designs still used today, yet Mosinka can be found on every corner in foreign countries.
I am driven vy slavic blood(Czecho-Russ), and i have done a huge mistake when i fired it's sawn off version (unofficial model but many people hacksaw poor mosins- i had one borrowed on range) without ear protection.
My ears rang for a week.
A. Week.
Don't try it kamarads.
On the Eastern Front, you fire the mosin nagant, in Soviet Russia, the mosin nagant fires you!
XBscout Gaming in Germany rifle come to u in Soviet Russia u find rifle
Nice Russian reversal there.
I start collect historical weapons... Russian Rifles are neat.
I wouldn't claim that the Winchester M1895 was known just only from "a recent video game". For every Russian weapons and in this case, rifles used in WWI, if you ask any gun nut, especially those that collect historical firearms will tell you right out of the bat that the Mosin Nagant and Winchester M1895 was the most commonly used rifles in the Tsarist Army. I mean, in every books and documentary, you'll somehow see the M1895 being in the trenches with dead soldiers from the Brusilov Offensive and even with smiling troops.
But like you said, those are gun enthusiasts and people who have done their research. For a lot of people who don't know much about WW1 or the Eastern front in particular it was probably a surprise to see a lever-action Winchester.
Jun Kitami I own the Winchester 95 in 7.62x54R great rifle heavy recoil though
"if you ask any gun nut, especially those that collect historical firearms"
Also theodore roosevelt's medicine.
Just Someguy you dont know about arisakas?
U no gunnut
Russian method of issuing rifles: "Here is gun, here is ammunition. go shoot"
And your ration of Vodka!
Great video...What was the most powerful/deadliest weapon in WW1 I heard gas was used and did mass damage question for out of the Trench’s... Thanks from Canada
Winston 1914 If by, "most powerful", you mean, "deadliest", then it would be artillery.
Andrei Valdez Thank you
@@evanbreakell837 my great grandfather got gased so my grandma and her twin sister had to work on the farm from early childhood while he was in hospital before he died
Indy please do a video on the white army in Russia
yes and no. The red army was mostly made up of pissed off people who were starving in the streets and tired of the war. Lenin was brought in by the Germans to spread his propaganda and invoke the overthrow of the Czar who was an autocratic nut to begin with. It's believed that with out the communist take over Russia would have still been a backward country lacking behind in the preindustrial revolution era full of peasants. I don't support many of the way the communists did things but they did do some good things for Russia but at the cost of the people.
Lever action rifles are also in pain to operate from a prone position.
I kind of miss the unedited specials.
Well, you can watch that as well, we just did it a few weeks ago and it's still online.
do ottoman rifles of ww1
MR BRICS ! That‘s tough to do
not the single shot ones used from the boar war
The most modern rifle they used was the m1903 Mauser rifle. They did also use the Peabody martini rifle but was only for 2nd line troops or artillery
They used Mauser and Winchester, they didnt produce anything worth mentioning
Did you watch the video lol
Still staring longingly at that mp-18 on the wall.....
This may be a little out of the time frame of the series, but why was the development of self loading rifles not pursued more? It seems like at least by World War 2 any modern army would have adopted them but if I am not mistaken most still used bolt action rifles.
Bolt action rifles still had the benefit of being more accurate and your troops dont shoot the ammo as quickly
Foreign arms suppliers: what rifle do you guys need?
Russia: Da.
"[...] thanks to some recent game developments!" ?!!! Come on Othais!
The Mosion-Nagant, the gun of the Tsar, and later the tool of the worker's armies; like the tommy gun, its worn hats of black, grey and white if you feel the welling of revolution
I never had much issues with my 91/30 I was shooting Golden Bear 203 gr ammo
I have 1914 model of Mosin-Nagant
my subtitles have been accepted.
hurray
Dear
Can I have a question?
How much does a Dragoon m19 rifle cost?
Please!
I've got a question, possibly for out of the trenches. I've watched all the weapons specials you have made about rifles from different countries, however I am wondering how much effect the differences between these weapons made in combat? Are there any examples of battles where one side suffered due to their choice of rifle, or did numbers, tactics etc always have a bigger impact?
That's a smart question with no simple answer. I suspect it depends on how much of the fighting is settled by two lines of infantry. Probably not after Napoleon.
The ten round magazine of the Enfield proved on numerous occasions especially in Gallipoli that even the small difference of five extra rounds in a magazine could make a huge difference in defensive fire. The Turks casualties were exponentially higher especially in the first part of the campaign when they had substantially more men available. The allies did not have many machine guns available, most of what they did have was old maxim machine guns. Rifle fire and the ability to put down more then what the Turks were capable of doing was one reason they were not driven back into the sea after the landings.
Singular! War WAS declared, not war WERE declared, unless it multiple wars.