Austro-Hungarian Rifles of WW1 I THE GREAT WAR - Special feat. C&Rsenal
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Indy and Flo sat down for one of our live streams about historical firearms again. Othais from C&Rsenal explained the various Austro-Hungarian rifles and pistols of the First World War. Among them of course the famous Mannlicher rifles. In our next episode we will also have a look at the iconic Austro-Hungarian pistols.
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A-H rifles are the black sheep of WWI rifles. I would say alongside the Italian Carcano rifles, the A-H Mannlichers are some of the most understudied and under appreciated firearms of WWI.
The entire A-H empire is understudied aside from their Archduke got shot. Not even Serbia's great victories over them are mentioned in mainstream medias
Yeah, thats because both Austria-Hungary and Italy are understudied in World War 1. That's why we don't hear much about their rifles. Actually, we don't hear much about any rifles used in World War 1, people just assume everyone used the same kind of bolt action rifle or musket in fighting.
German Gewehr and Enfields are probably more known.
Charles' Milsurp Firearms carcano is based on a styer
The 1895 is still used as a ceremonial rifle in Hungary (along with the soviet SKS) to my knowledge.
You are correct
magyarok! :D
In Austria too I like that
Shiny wood and steel look better in parades. LOL
I'm quite lucky, because I live in Vienna and it only takes me a half-hour to get to the Austrian army museum that is also the arsenal where tons of every weapon the Austrian army has used in the last 2 centuries (and even older stuff like armor and swords) are stored. Every rifle shown here and even all the variants (sling swivels on the side or below, cut down, ...), all the types of ammo and the bayonets are on display. There even is one that got converted into a machine-gun back in WW1. It kind of looks like a pile of scrap welded together but at least it did what it was supposed to do. If you're in Vienna one day visit this museum, it's worth it.
I can agree, the Vienna Heeresgeschichtliches Museum is a brilliant, albeit huge museum. I've visited it last year and was very impressed. The only shame is that it's actually too big. One visit won't be enough to appreciate it fully. Well, I guess that's just something more to look forward to when I visit Vienna again :).
This museum, is like a meeting point for Russian and (I know Russia is in Asia) Asian tourists. I really like it, it has the FN 1910/12 our archduke was shot with and even the car he got shot in.
I don't have the problem of not having enough time since I live in vienna.
Greetings from Vienna!
Do you mean in WW1? If you do then look at the casualties. There were always more Italians killed. My great-greatgrandfather was at the Isonzo and probably killed some Italians and when he got back he only had Malaria.
The point is that you shouldn't write something this offensive since many people died back then and it is just rude to disrespect the brave men who gave their lives for their nation, it doesn't matter if they were Italian or Austro-Hungarian soldiers.
I appreciate it.
Greetings from Vienna!
I have only been to Triest for one day when I was coming back from my vacation in Dalmatia. I would love to see more parts of Italy someday.
If only the guns made up for the commanders
*cough* Hotzendorf *cough*
+Agent Camtho then France would have been f***ed
+scarfacemperor I can picture Joffre siting there, "Well, it's a good thing they're morons because our rifles suck."
+GamesLegitament lol
+Agent Camtho Don´t forget Potiorek. I´d say he´s worse.
+Agent Camtho Well, technically, they could, if someone would have the balls to aim it at the proper target.
If there's one thing the Austrians did right militarily, it was weapons manufacturing!
One of the weapons manufacturing legacy the Austro-Hungarian Empire was laying the foundation for Czech arms industry.
+BHuang92 This still remains today...
Even though Austria is a pretty small country with only a few big companies, austrian arms industry founded 2 very iconic weapons: The AUG and the Glock-Series
+Patrick3751 Not just that, but all over the lands of the former empire we now have very good arms and military manufacturers. In Croatia we also have a very successful and highly export based small arms industry, and it produces highly successful lines of pistols, assault rifles, helmets, body armor and military clothing.
asger734 Alot of Czech firearms were exported almost all over the world and many firearms were based from the Czechs.
I read about the Austro-Hungarian Empire and it wasn't just arms manufacturing they did well. They did most manufacturing well. Too bad their heads of state were too proud to realistically accomodate the various nationalities within their realm.
My grandfather actually fought with the Austrian army. He told stories how both the Italians and the Austrians (and Russians, Hungarians,etc,etc) picked up each others guns. After a few years of intense close combat fighting, There was hardly a 'national weapon' left .At the end of the war soldiers carried a mix and match of different guns. ,hand-granates, etc,etc. picked up from enemy corpses along the way. Russian, Italian,German. whatever worked.
Austro-Hungarian Rifles are a hole in my WWI collection. I need to get a full sized M95 soon.
+Milsurp Mike i have on but its not for sale sorry
+MarsTheGodOfGaming where did you get it?
Krešimir Koržinek my father got it at a store when he was a kid
'Murica
+Company007 .........
"Schritte" just means paces by the way and was equal to 75cm. The Austrian army thought a soldier could judge distances better this way. This measurement was already used in the muzzle-loading era, e.g. on the Lorenz rifles. Great video, keep up the good work!
I love Mannlicher M95s, I have one that belong to Bosnian Herzegovinian Inf regiment :D
+Petro1683 Interesting find.
You guys are gonna get so mutch traffic because of battlefield 1 and its great for you guys honour to you all!
yes, these are some of my favorite episodes.
+Biker Jim Thanks, we love them too.
I hope we can have more focus on Austria.
I am a big fan of the country just because of The Sound of Music.
Yaaay, finally!!!! Great work both channels! Love both of you :)
+Krešimir Koržinek I love you.
+C&Rsenal As much as this has sent butterflies fluttering through my belly, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is your flu medication talking. Rest Othais, we need you in full health to make us those excellent primers - and talking about primers, there is still the matter of making a full episode on this certain Mannlicher rifle.
I love you too C&Rsenal, I love you too :)
+C&Rsenal love your stuff. Btw the annotation at the end doesn't lead to your channel, i think it might be a type-o. Cheers
+Marko Docevski Sorry, CZcams had a hick up and we fixed it. But you can always find it in the video description too when we do collaborations.
I think I like the Austro-Hungarian bolt action rifles because of the breech opening.
yeees more gun presentations! I love these. Good job guys!
Absolutely love this project! I'm a huge WW1 nerd as well, which until this series I thought was somewhat rare among Americans. Recently saw your channel linked on "the firearm blog". So very happy to see this project becoming more widespread! Keep up the good work y'all.
+Court Lively That's great to hear.
I was excited to learn about the Austria-Hungarian rifles since I knew nothing about them before this video.
Indy, you should do a live stream where people can ask you questions about WWI, that would be pretty cool.
+Anthony Zorn ^^
+Anthony Zorn We'll think about it.
+The Great War Why thank you Flo! You guys do an awesome job
Can't wait for C&Rsenal's full episodes on the Mannlicher rifles. Been really interested in learning about all the variants.
+ritterbruder212 We have lots.
This is such a cool collaboration. I've heard the recoil on the M95 Steutzen is horrific with the later 8x56mm loads.
The M95 does have a reputation for kicking like an angry mule.
+fhsreelfilms I can confirm my 95/30 is not fun to shoot.
I have a photo of my great-grandfather from 1916. On the photo he had Mannlicher 1895. (He was 17 years old at the time)
I'm waiting for the Atni-Tank rifles!!!
SPOILER !!!!!!! xD
+C&Rsenal BOOM *grin*
+C&Rsenal LOL, I was just about to post on here that everyone needed to head over to your channel to see that.
You meen "rifle" because T-Gewehr was the only anti-tank rifle of WW1?
I am less and less surprised by the greatly supreme quality of your videos. Loving the show! Quite interesting how these weapons worked, especially considering this video covers my favorite Empire XD
Great work from both channels!
+Animativision Studios Thanks, glad you liked it.
These collaborative videos are great. Really gives you a broader perspective on the subject. The one on the hand to hand fighting methods with shovels and clubs was fascinating and gave great insight into the average soldier's actual experience vs. the thinking of the commanders when choosing weapons and equipment. Thanks for the videos.
+TheShoreman1 Thanks, glad you liked it.
Cool. Thanks for this. So my grandfather trained and qualified on one of these; to a high level of competence, because...after he deserted... and emigrated to the Unite States, and either joined or was drafted in 1917; he was praised for his shooting in training, given a Rifle badge (Maltese cross, with 'rifle' hung below it). But then when he explained that he hadn't learned hunting around a farm "I'm not a farmer" (He was Polish from Vienna) but had instead learned in the Austrian-Hungary Army; they said, "You can't be in our army. You could be a spy."
Great show. Thanks for all your work!
Love these collaboration episodes! Keep up the good work Great War and C&Rsenal!
+themajor Thanks and will do!
I really enjoyed this episode and I like how excited everyone was talking about the guns.
These are awesome episodes! Loved it
The M95 carbines and rifles are real fun to shoot. I've got a pair that I cast bullets for and they're an interesting addition to any history buff's collection. Thanks for putting up such an informative and thorough review!
Love these, great work to both of your channels
+Field Marshal Erwin Rommel Thanks.
Yes! I've been eagerly awaiting the return of Othias on this channel! More than anything else, I think I really enjoy learning about the history of the weapons and tactics of this conflict. This little part of the show is one of my favorites because of that.
+RedCrownActual We have a whole other channel you know...
+C&Rsenal And I am a subscriber! But what I love about this team-up you guys do with The Great War is that you run through the weapons by country all at once. It really gives perspective to the march of progression each country had, especially in the ever-evolving battlefield of WWI. Love both channels!
RedCrownActual
Thanks man!
an extrem lovely and educational video , good work and a great crow
i been waiting 2 years for this episode!!! thank you thank you!!! lots of love from Spain
+Jorge de lprado Hope it was worth it!! Keep an eye out for the pistols episode next :)
+Mae Guns It definetly was, thank again and eager to see the gun one :)
Damn, that girl has best job in the world XD
She holds rifles weird though.
If she hits the target weird is fine.
I do envy her
Yuri PRIME she's hot tough
Watching her load and fire the small arms of the Great War is one reason I never miss any of the firearms specials!
I was honestly expecting the Austrian rifles to be of kinda poor quality but apparently it seems they were actually pretty good!
+KirbyComicsVids That's what we expected too actually.
Awesome work both channels
i absolutely love the depth,
that you and your guests go to ,
in order to inform us unwashed masses.
thank you for your hard work.
molly
+molly clock Thanks for watching.
the great war,
i study ww1 and ww2.
the work you've done has greatly increased my understanding of not only what happened,
but more importantly,
why.
love, peace, and mercy.
molly
Othais is a masterful presenter. I really appreciate his attention to detail.
I love your channel so much!!! It's like a crave I constantly want to learn more and more about world war 1
i always enjoy your and C&Rs collaborations!
+milcoll73 Thanks, we do too.
Good video. I had not considered how a straight pull action was basically the forerunner of the semi-auto. When you said that, it was very obvious. Thank you.
+James Bond Learn something new every day :)
I'll be watching this on the morning commute tomorrow!
Hemingway's protagonist in A Farewell to Arms likely faced these rifles.
Interesting to see how this straight pull compares to the Lee Navy and Swiss K11.
davo171 The Itailians copied it
I love to learn this stuff! I'd like to see someday the comparison of the rifles in the fronts, like the mannlichers VS the russian equivalent, or VS the italian, or russian rifles vs ottoman rifles and so on...
Nice serious work you guys doing!
Nice Arisaka 99 Shirt.
*Type 99
I'm Austrian and the M95/30 in 8x56R is my favorite rifle.
It's great.
I know I’m 4 years late but are you guys allowed to shoot those over there?
@@blabboo Yes we are and we can own them without any restrictions as soon as we turn 18. Austria's gun laws are very liberal when compared with the rest of Europe or even some US states
@@user-kf6nc5jv3l Wow that’s awesome! I’ll have to visit Austria someday!
Good video that cements the fact the commanders cost the Austrians the war, not the weapons or soldiers.
I love how technical, yet straight forward these weapon segments are. I often feel somewhat marginalized as a gun-owner, but I love being able to own such significant pieces of history!
+nelson3300 They are part of war history of course. No way you can ignore that, so we thought it deserves some attention.
Really nice episode. Also, Indy, can you tell us from where you got that vest? because its really good looking.
Wow! You guys have a great channel can't wait tell you get to WWII rifles.
You'll have to wait 20-30 years for that.
1/4 of a million subs! It's getting there! :D
+Ola Justin YES!
C&Rsenal does a great job. Love these specials.
Cant wait to see the one on Serbian weapons.
+Warhund Serbia Will the make one? I was not aware Serbia produced its own weapons.
Well we used a specific riffle variation called the Kokin-Mauser, produced by Mauser but partly designed by one of our engineers. It would be interesting in the perspective of Serbia using probably the largest variety of weapons in the entire war. We used weapons produced by German, Austrian, Russian, French.. old types, new types.. Weapons captured from the ottomans, all kinds of artillery.. It would be interesting compared to Austrians arsenal.
A lot of all these weapons where modified by Zastava arms but i dont know if that counts..
Warhund Serbia Ah I did not know that, I just figured they used whatever they could get, like you said. Russian, German, Austrian etc.
Well Serbia did use all it could get but a lot of this stuff had to be modified since it would be a nightmare in maintenance department.
An interesting thing is that the first anti-air defence (dunno the exact name for it in english) was performed by Serbia in WW1 when they used a modified cannon to destroy an Austrian airplane near Kragujevac. Dunno what the type of artillery was that and what was the modification but i think its kinda cool
Warhund Serbia I also thought it was interesting how the Serbs used grenades against the invading Austro-Hungarians and they were quite taken aback by that since they had not experienced grenades before.
wow i didn't know straight pulls were so prolific the mannlichers, the Ross rifle the lee navy rifle i even had the privilege of seeing a Swiss straight pull rifle at a gun store a while back thanks for the video
+MrAwsomenoob Interestingly enough out of the three types you've listen the Ross rifle is the smoothest straight-pull I've handled so far.
+Mae Guns i heard the ross rifle was a very bad rifle for some reason
On page 126 of that Serbian Mauser book is a diagram of the Púska M95/41 7,9mm. That's the semiautomatic Mannlicher he talks about. It was formulated and tested weeks before the German invasion. They used M95s that were rechambered for 8mm Mauser and configured the magazine similarly to the Gew88/05 for stripper clips.
Great Vid A+!
Love This!!!
cool stuff with sub titles Indy ty
Funny to see that "Stutzen" rifle in Othais's hands looking like a bb gun but in Mae's hands looking like a full lenght rifle😎
The M95 is my favourite gun in Battlefield 1. I use the infantry variant at medium-close range.
I know that I am ages behind but I'm yet to see a video on Marksmanship and how it effected performance. Having grown up in the country and had firearms as second nature I've often been amazed to see just how bad others who have never been around guns are at shooting even quite large targets. I also read Audie Murphy's "To Hell and Back" and noticed how his childhood of hunting small game may well have saved his life over and over in his WW2 experience. So I'm kinda amazed that there is so little discussion on the marksmanship of conscripted and volunteer soldiers.
Great Video! Love it!
Interesting is, that actually the Austrians had some really good engineers in that time, and made some real pioneer work. Günther Burstyn made in 1911 the first concept of a modern tank with turret, which was never built (because Austrian Generality was quite conservative). The Navy was better. The Torpedo was for example by Giovanni Lupis invented (an Italian from Rijeka), and first built and tested with Robert Whitehead in Triest
Excellent episode guys! I hope you guys also cover other countries rifles as well (such as Britain, Russia or the Ottomans)!
+kaboom138 All on the way. Ottomans will be tricky but we're working on it!
Russians also used a lot of Arisaka rifles, so I hope we will see a Japanese rifle special as well. (and ofc they fought in the war on the side of the allies in Qingdao/Tsingtao as well)
Hanna-Justina Wallia Rosalind Sieglinde Marseille
Yep, we will be including the Type 30 for Russia and the Type 38 for Japan
Excellent collaboration; can't wait for the Austro-Hungarian pistols!
+MadMatt1990 Those are some weird pistols but definitely fun to shoot!
+MadMatt1990 No ETA, yet but we're working on it.
great show
Well that explains a lot. As an active reenactor whose grandparents fought in the Austro Hungarian Army during WW1, I've shot a lot of these rifles (both full size and Repetier-Stutzen M1895) and absolutely hated the stiffness of the action and weakness of the extractor, especially when compared to the Gewehr 98 or the Mosin M1891. Turns out the problem was time and slapdash assembly, not a design weakness as I thought. Although putting the bolt back together after cleaning is still a fiddly mess ...
+Wingsofwrath Use a dime!
Superb! Very well done! I've read in a book about the development of "storm troop" tactics by the Austro-Hungarian k.u.k. that there were crash programs to make Stützen length short rifles/carbines during the war. In addition, there were proposals, apparently, to simply do away with shoulder arms all together for the storm troop groups so that they'd simply have flame throwers, hand grenades, pistols or revolvers, and all of the "gonna get medieval on your a$$" type melée weapons, e.g. daggers, maces, clubs, knouts, truncheons, bludgeons, coshes, etc. etc. And sharpened spades. As it happened, the pistol and revolver production lagged even further behind all of the other infantry weapons, so the proposal went nowhere.
It is also my understanding that in desperation, many rear-echelon troops, militia and reservists in the k.u.k. widely used captured foreign arms and also very, very many obsolete pattern single-shot rifles. Great videos and a very nice collaborative effort! Very informative. Love the "sights" point-of-view shots with the hideous "no man's land" background.
+Dave Carlson Did you see our special and our collab on trench raids?
+The Great War Oh yeah. More great stuff! In Barthes memoir _Poilu_, which you Great War folks reviewed, he mentions French raiders as a sort of highly specialized separate force brought in from elsewhere to conduct the missions. My sense is that many "frontschweine/poilus/tommies/mehmetçik/grunts/diggers/etc./etc. looked askance at anything that might add more chaos and artillery to the sector... Be it a trench mortar installation, rifle grenadiers, trench raiders, tunnelers/sappers, what-have-you. Thanks for marking the anniversaries, terrible as they are.
I always love these weapon videos. If we run out of each nations main weapons (pistols and rifles) before the four years is up, will there be any videos about directly comparing and ranking each model of gun? (distance, power, etc)
+Jeremy Meadows Oh don't worry, there will be guns to come!
8:27 Last to give it up, first(and only) to land a man on the moon. :) Before anyone gets upset, I am joking. Thanks for another great collaboration.
+haboob308 Put on the moon thanks in large part to your pardoning of Nazi scientists ;)
+XLesky I didn't pardon anyone. But yes, America was able to utilize European scientist better than Europe did, or would have.
Wow! the Ausrians had a different measurement system! cool.
Agreed that the main downside is the greater need for precision manufacturing. All in all, though, Austria-Hungary had some high quality small arms for the time. While the A-H armed forces had lesser combined arms variety, they at least made up for it with some good infantry and artillery tech.
nice video. always wanted to see my fav. rifle m1895
You know, these C&Rsenal segments have really grown on me; they're definitely quite good.
+farmerboy916 thanks. There is way more detail on our channel
Just shot one today at the range. It was fun.
you guys should make a video series talking about the weapons in battlefield 1
I must say, the Austro-Hungarians did a great job with their rifles, I've noticed they really liked straight-pull bolts, which (when you look at the mechanism from the soldier's view) is an advanced weapon that could beat rotating bolt rifles.
Edit: Yet they're fragile
My immediate response to the question at 4:02 "Not great for the one getting shot! Duh." I may or may not be having an intelligent day.
Later on I think a potential Out Of the Trenches question appears, that is if it hasn't been mentioned in one of the many awesome videos: What measurement systems did the nations use and did that cause issues? I've read that in WW2, US and UK manufactured airplane parts weren't exchangeable.
10:36 - a Berndorf Helmet? Really like the design...
I love this channel.
+jesse van Ravels So do we!
+jesse van Ravels We love you too.
I love the Mannlichers nice quality and really interesting
you are a champion men!
I'm surprised that there's nothing in this video on the Austrian conversions of captured Russian M1891's. Surviving records showed that at least 114,000 captured Russian rifles were converted to fire standard Austrian ammo and using the standard Mannlicher clip - and said conversion didn't include rebarreling or boring out the barrel (the first conversions did, but it made the conversion process too long).
Since said surviving records only went to the end of 1915 IIRC, it's likely one heck of a lot more were converted.
A bunch of collaborators . . . I like the cross referencing and linking to expert analyses. This acts to lift the series up out of the sea of its contemporaries and in to a better place for the veteran documentary fans out there . . . me among them.
+William Cox Thanks.
The straight pull is literally genius along with the stripper clip. Mannlicher was an einstein of guns.
Do a video about different grenades used by different countries and the grenade evolution from start from the war to the end
Oh yeah, great suggestion oh glorious leader!
The Austro-Hungarian bullets are nuts.....like shooting batons at people
Damn, I love it
Hi Guys, great channel. Unfortunately I was late to the party, only finding you guys around Christmas 2015 but I'm enjoying catching up with past videos. I'm really interested in military history and although I know a little bit about a lot of the main points of the war, I think it's a great format to be covering the war week by week because, in doing so, you cover a lot of areas that I know little or nothing about. Keep up the good work! I have a question for OOTT. Apologies if you've already covered it in a previous video. The use of mines by the British as a precursor to an offensive is well documented (for instance at Messines Ridge) and I know that the Germans counter-mined, but did the Germans use mines as part of larger offensives/operations or were they only used defensively?
+Ben Leaney Can you ask that question again when we talk about Messines? We will gladly add it then.
+The Great War Sure. It's some way off but I'll try and remember. Thanks
love the show can you tell me when the UK program comes out please
+andres Hemingway Othais is still getting together British rifles, so it will take a few more months at least.
That straight pull action on the 1895 Manlicher doesn't look as smooth as I imagined it would be
Not too glassy
The M.95 in 8x56R produces a serious amount of free recoil as well, I have shot mine with 1937 production ammo. As an odd aside the 8mm here is .329 in while mauser 98 is .323in so reloading for the 8x56r is not nearly as easy as 8mm mauser
I have a M.95M which is a conversion between the wars to make the M.95 shoot standard 7.92x57 Ammunition and use Mauser Stripper clips. (new barrel and modified feed system)
Great series. Will you be doing a program about Canada's infamous Ross rifle?
+rsvp KNIGHT Everything you want to know and more about the Ross Rifle: czcams.com/video/2uGYSQ_-FJU/video.html
+rsvp KNIGHT The Ross will be included with the UK.
I can't get over how long the bullet is on the older cartridges.
i got a stutzen. such a fun rifle
Enshuldigung, @A&Rsenal, but can you put a silent film filter when at the firing range and perhaps a replica uniform? Thanks
I've just found your channel,very interesting,also that you'r in Berlin ?
Some units even got M1867 Werndl rifle.
Will you ever do an episode on British rifles and other firearms employed in the first world war? I would love to see it!
Yes, it's very difficult to find them in WW1 configuration though.
Will you go over artillery? I know it would probably be impossible to give a demonstration but i would love to know what made German artillery better then French or British.
Stutzen or Stutzer used to be a class of musket in the 18th and early 19th century, which was distinguished by carbine-length barrels and rifling. They were popular with hunters and were later adopted by the Jäger regiments (literally "Hunter" regiments) of various German states and even copied by the Russians. Britain's famous Baker rifle was essentially a Stutzer.
they did make pretty good Artillery and shells.