The Time When I Went to a Prophetic Seminar.
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- I went to a Shawn Bolz Prophetic Night Event back in 2019. It was meant to “teach people about the prophetic and make a safe space for people to practice it.” The ad for the event said it’s a “powerful evening seminar on hearing God's voice and incorporating the prophetic into your sphere of influence and daily life.” I actually recorded this experience to later make a video out of it. Well... I made a video out of it. This is NOT a hit piece on Shawn Bolz. I found him likable, well-spoken, and empathetic. I do, however, am troubled and have many concerns. I share clips of my experience, and give thoughtful commentary that I hope is firm but fair.
Timestamps:
00:05- Intro and What Even is a "Prophetic Seminar"?
00:48- Three Preliminary Thoughts
04:04- Part 1: First Impressions and Notes from the Seminar
11:00- Part 2: Clips of and Thoughts on Prophecies
30:46- Part 3: My Conclusions
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Note about the speed sound of the video:
When I was editing, there was a default speed I put it on to edit quicker, and I forgot to turn it off when I uploaded it. My apologies if it seems like I speak fast in this video, as that's why.
Ewps.
Steve Kozar pointed out that this guy also uses the registration information to find these people and get their information. So the couple whose middle names he knew were likely known ahead of time and he had probably researched about what they do for work. It’s a total scam.
"I feel like..." "I felt like..." said no Biblical prophet ever.
Well said!
He’s from Cali so like it’s going to be in his vocabulary
🤣💀☠ that's the first red flag I noticed
Exactly....
Said no prophet ever
‘If you want to hear God, read your Bible. If you want to hear God speak aloud, read the Bible out loud’
Amen thankyou Jesus 🙏
Amen!!
I love it! Praise and glory to God!
A few Charismatics I know say that this attitude is "Biblidolatry" or "Father, Son, & Holy Bible" as a rejection/quenching of the Spirit :( they trust their own personal words over the Word of God
@@Crazychickenlady448 a
'Disagreement does not equal attack" is a message in and of itself, and should be preached.
Especially in today's culture.
Yes! 💯💯💯💯💯
@@MelissaDougherty just wondering if there has ever been a time where you have actually seen something that you didn't have a problem with or knew was real?
@@godhandninja good question
@@MelissaDougherty You wrote all of that on an offering envelope? 🙀 You go girl, you’re doing a great job! 👍🏽👍🏽
I was a medium and I was saved by Jesus this past year. I have renounced all New Age stuff. Your content has given me peace coming out of the New Age. From experience of talking to familiar spirits, it sounds like he’s talking to them. Since he is saying “I feel like” I think he’s talking to familiar spirits not God especially because he is forcing prophecy. God is sovereign, He speaks whenever He is ready.
I agree
This was GOOD!
Praise God for your testimony 🙌🏻💖
My husband is a pastor and always says if someone says something prophetic that will happen and it does not come true they are not a true profit of Gods word. God does not make mistakes. God is also very clear in every instance in the Bible. The was no question it was a word from God.
I spent about 10-12 years in WOF and NAR movement. I suffer with a rejection issue. I longed to be picked out of a crowd to be prophesied over. I was a conference junkie. I have been prayed over by the likes of bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, patrica king etc. NOTHING came to pass, absolutely NOTHING! I yearned to fall out in the spirit, speak in tongues, and see angels. Bought the tapes and books and t shirts! I was never able to do any of it and came to conclusion that God did not love me enough and something was wrong with me. I was left feeling abandoned, disappointed, angry frustrated, you name it. I woke up after the Lakeland revival debacle. Praise God, He plucked me out of that polluted river of apostasy. I threw out all my books tapes notes etc and will stick with the Words of God. All my friends continue in that deception 😥
💯 Can relate to the rejection bit.
My friend I am sorry you went through that but in the long run you figured it out. The Bible is enough and I don't need to hear Prophecies, Signs and Wonders. It is gobbledygook and very confusing. We are equally Annoited and there are no super Christians. The Word of God is enough. That is all we need. If you noticed they never prophesie that something bad is going to happen in someone's life. Ear tickling messages with no Gospel. We should keep it simple as Paul did. All we need is to understand the Life, Sacrifice and Resurrection of Christ. I know how hard it is to talk to Charismatics and get them to see they are chasing things that will never happen.
Yep me too - WOF Kingdom Now, Manifest Sons of God - oh my goodness, I had no idea that the stuff I was being taught back then had a name for it!! We were heavy into this, and was looking for our 'perfect place' where God wanted us so He could prosper us. Let's just say we moved alot, and were very very unhappy disillusioned people. Manipulation is big but subtle sometimes. Brainwashing, peer pressure to believe to be part of something 'big', etc. Sorry Melissa, I left the Charismatic/Pentecostal/Non-demoninational thing 10 years ago and am actually AFRAID to go anywhere near it, the mental emotional spiritual fallout was so bad. Not gonna do it. I can't even listen to a sermon by one of those people without being triggered. And yes, after being totally on board with all gifts, I am now a cessationist. I see no point in the gifts for the present or future - they had to do with the new Covenant coming in, proving Christ was who He said He was, and proving the Apostles gospel. Everything I need to know to live a Godly Christian life is in the scriptures, and it will take me the rest of my life just to even come close. I have been prophesied to numerous times, and always it was about how God was going to bless us, etc., nothing ever addressed the sin in our lives, always something we wanted to hear.
Same her sis, same here
What you are saying confirms what I always thought when I was part of that crud....EVERY SINGLE PERSON who is part of this and goes after it is suffering from some major self esteem issues.. rejection etc and it just causes a lot of jealousy and envy within these circles and welp, you know what the bible says about this!!
My wife went to a prophetic meeting as a,backing vocalist for the worship team. I went to support her. When the prophet came out and prophecied over everyone. I went into prayer. I prayed God I will reject any prophecy over me unless it is 100% you. The prophet completely ignored me. I shared this with a few people who also attended the meeting I was rebuked for being too judgemental.
wise
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You did nothing wrong . People are too quick to prophecy and too quick to be prophesied over and the prophesies we tend to hear are blanket vague prophecies . I don’t need anyone to prophecy over me I get the message straight from God myself . It’s called the bible . I have the Holy Spirit who was sent as a helper . So why do we need a hit or miss prophecy to be spoken over us when we have been given all things that pertain to life and Godliness
I am also careful about whom I allow “lay hands” on me. Good for you- using your mind while looking to Him in that moment. PTL.
Way to go! Your prayer protected you and thank you for sharing this information as it serves as a great reminder we should always seek Him in any circumstance we find ourselves in.
Prophecy should be specific, line up with the Word, and comes to pass. This was so good, thank you!
And if it doesn’t come to pass…we can’t stone them but we can kick them to the curb! Speaking for GOD is serious business!
But come to pass in God’s timing. Not ours.
@@kooplala1 Yes but, prophecy should also come to pass when the “prophet?” says it will...
Not entirely. Without prayer and obedience of the people hearing the prophecy, some prophecies will not come to pass.
@@JDH_MUSIC true.
But some happened in the Bible whether the people liked it or not.
Melissa, this hits home to me. I grew up in a charismatic church that believed in prophecy and it sounded a lot like this. One detail here. One detail there. Very vague language. My faith was in my experience and feelings, not truly in Jesus. I’d be so yearning to hear audibly from God that my mind would play tricks on me and I’d be talking to myself. It wasn’t healthy. I almost broke up with my wife before we got married because I had a voice in my head tell me to. Never mind the scriptures that say that finding a wife is a good thing. It caused me inner turmoil that led to severe marital issues that almost lead to divorce. I walled myself from God because of my guilt that marrying my wife may have been against God’s will. I carried this for the first 6 or so years before God slowly, but surely worked in my heart to draw me back to Him. To not rely on my experiences, but to know his Word and examine experiences from that. My charismatic leaders were way too affirming to my feelings and didn’t question me enough. And it led to bad theology that eventually turned into a shattered faith that God had to rebuild in me.
I used to partake in crap like this thinking I was a Christian and in the right road. Boy was I wrong. I've learned SO much in the last 2 years especially the last year. So glad God opened my eyes
You are not alone!
Amazing, good for you, God is surely with you.
We watch your videos as part of our homeschool. We pause a lot, and discuss. We often shout at the TV 😆, and today my 17-yo said, "Mom--you say everything right before Melissa does! You guys are BFFs."
The funny thing is this: when I don't, she does.
Thanks for helping us not feel alone when the red flags pop up all over the place and we seem to be the only one who sees them!
Wow, I'm so honored to be a part of your homeschool! Tell them I said hello. I'm homeschooling my girls this year too. You've given me an idea to watch debates with them.
@@MelissaDougherty will do! 💙
You two are in Tune because of the Spirit..that's a beautiful thing
God bless you for homeschooling your children. My son’s wife does the same and I’m soo proud and thankful. I know it’s not easy, but very necessary. 🙏🏻
@@GarrettFemister to me, it's actually easier than sending them away, not knowing what on earth they're being exposed to. Also, the way schools are today, parents pay for so much and end up peddling wrapping paper/magazines/cookie dough...seems the work never ends for the "free" public school that our children attend! I'd rather do it my way; any "work" we do is chosen by me, and not for the benefit of a school system that isn't godly to begin with.
I'm glad your grandkids are being homeschooled! 💓
My sister is currently like this. She just went to a Messianic Jew who says he can talk to people in the spiritual realm. Not God, other people! I said that sounded a lot like meduimship, and her response was "Well, I'm really close with the Holy Spirit, and I didn't feel anything off about it." Because I'm not super emotional about my faith, she thinks I'm not as mature in my faith and should be pittied. Never no mind the fact that at 30, she still hasn't read the bible all the way through even once. I don't know what else to do except pray God gives her wisdom and discernment. She's completely closed off.
Us he messianic or kabbalah
Is not us
@@vintagetalesstudiowithjenn7002 I asked if he was kabbalah, but she didn't know what I was talking about. She just said "He knew the bible really well and seemed really close to God" 🤦♀️
I must respond, more for your benefit than that of your sister.
Clearly you understand that there is something wrong with your sister's presumption that being led by one's feelings, is a sign of spiritual maturity. The Spirit of God leads us according to the word of God, Jesus said, My words are Spirit and truth.
It is also written, The testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy.
Looking for direction spiritually apart from the Bible, is a dangerous pursuit, opening the door to demonic influences.
We are clearly taught to avoid those that seek messages from the dead. There are familiar spirits that know things about people, even the dead.
Hold to the head, do not swerve in your walk with Christ.
Do not involve yourself with your sister's sin, but continue to pray for her repentance, and for God's mercy.
Grace and peace be multiplied through the knowledge of God and of Christ.
I'm so sorry. I've lost friends this way. It feels very similar to cult-like behavior when loved ones become closed off. My heart breaks with you. I just pray your sister and my friends will stop pushing down that healthy doubt that is actually HS letting them know It's not scripturally accurate. Blessings, Sis.
I love you for protecting people's privacy. I appreciate your handling this in love.
Yes, I care about these people and don't want to do this in the wrong spirit. I appreciate that.
This is soothesaying. I've seen mediums do this exactly identical thing.
Yes, same!
Agree
Did God not create all things including expression? so ofc the enemy perverts it.
Exactly. I recently saw a show on TV about a medium doing "readings" at an event. It went along just very very similar to this clip of Bolz's seminar. I have nothing against Mr. Bolz, as I had never heard of him before watching this video. Very interesting.
@@MelissaDougherty Saw a "medium" do this on TV recently.
This was a well balanced assessment. People are drawn to fortune telling. Christians can be so drawn to knowing what the the future holds that they hunger to hear anything claiming to be from God.
Scouting out the promise land only brought fear and wandering (over simplified to make a point).
I love "money in the mail" stories, but I grieve for the people who go home to an empty mailbox and loss faith in God.
Wow. You are so right. Brought back bad memories of my time in that movement. This is one of the things at the heart of that teaching. And YES, scouting out the promise land did bring fear and wandering for us!! Moved many times looking, and had a cousin who I didn't realize was into this did the same thing! Thank you for your comment.
They speak with their own imaginations like God spoke about in the Old Testament. They love to say, Thus sayeth the Lord, when you hear that, beware.
Notice how Bolz kept saying when 'prophesying', "I feel like" or "I feel like God is saying" but a true prophet would say, "This IS what the Lord says" followed by what the Lord actually says and followed with it coming true.
Fairly common, you're actually trained to talk this way in the movement. You aren't supposed to presume that what you are hearing is absolutely the truth of God and that it should be tested against what you're hearing.
I noticed that too. I wondered if I was over-thinking it....but you're right.
Exactly. While I can't rule out miracles, if one happens, we likely will not know about it! In that sense, miracles probably happen all the time. God sends, prevents, provides, interrupts, permits someone to have an idea he wouldn't ordinarily have gotten; all sorts of things.
Who can ever figure any of it at all?
For us, the Word of God, mediated to us by the Holy Spirit within us, is the only safeguard against deception.
Exactly. If you look at the OT prophets, they were very specific in their "thus saith the LORD"s.
Followed by most people not enjoying it. If reading the prophets has taught me anything, it's the LORD sends prophets to the rebellious, who usually don't like what the LORD has to say.
I am 50 years old. In my early twenties I had a couple prophetic words spoken over my life. These were mountain top prophetic words, not anything going on in the valleys, between the peaks. They were things that I have seen in the past 30 years come to fruition. Also in my early twenties, there were several words spoken by individuals that did not resonate with me one bit and were out of their own head, of their own spirit and fell flat on the floor and that's where they stayed. I may never have a prophetic word spoken over my life again, and I'm okay with that. If I cannot live my life based on the written word of God, then that's a problem.🧐
That vague prophesy you just gave over me about a big decision and a storm and how God’s going to get me through it…so true for my life right now! (And everybody else’s). Thanks for this video.
Yes, and let's just drop that business part.
Haha yes...I've always became annoyed when my fellow brothers & sisters would jump & shout. I wanted to grab the mic & ask who does this NOT apply to?
99% of us face big decisions & are in some type of storm.
Thanks Mellissa! "GOD loves you even when you're not twitterpated all the time"... That's the most encouraging statement of this video... and Yes! I am "a second-hand" Christian and I will love Jesus just as the same even without 1 single supernatural experience in my life...My death will be one when I join hands with him in paradise ❤️ Amen!
This was so good. I loved how you pulled it apart. When I was 12, I grew up in a Pentecostal Church. I had just been baptized, and making my “confirmation”. I was sent to a room, where the elders and others would pray over each of us, I think there were 3 of us at the time… we were being prayed over to receive the gift of tongues. I remember being “coached” and on how to do it. It was extremely awkward, and after some time had passed, I just started to fake it.
It was concerning to me, that in a room full of godly people, no one confronted me that I had been faking it. I remember thinking, are these people really tied in with the Holy Spirit the way they say they are? Because if so, wouldn’t they KNOW I was faking my speaking in tongues? Nope, instead the praised and praised God that I had received my gift.
Shortly after, I had decided to see if anyone would notice if I spoke an interpretation out during service. So like usual, someone would get up, speak in tongues with a message and normally there would be someone to interpret it… I interpreted the message! In my own words!!! No one approached me asking me about it, I was only approached with praises!!
Last, months later I spoke a false tongue testimony in church, wondering if anyone would be able to interpret it, since it wasn’t real. Sure enough, someone interpreted it!!! I was so shocked and remembered thinking so many things about what I had been taught. It’s when all my flags started to go up.
My grand parents, who I love dearly, who are strong Christian’s… still hold to the Pentecostal church asked me about speaking in tongues. I told them, recapped all of this for them, they were a part of all of this with me while growing up… they were shocked! I told them that I have a lot of doubts when it comes to what this church movement teaches. And rightfully so… I tested it 3 different times! And the “church” failed them all.
I’m the last 10 years, I have had two people tell me that God had a prophetic word for me. One person I knew well, another I didn’t know. And the one was extremely vague. I remember thinking wow, how cool that God gave him a message about me! Too bad it wasn’t more specific, it sounded like he could have had that message for anyone. So your video here helped me clear that assumption up. The other time, it was more of a statement over my life, and I still feel like it could have been real, especially since he was speaking to me about something that no one else should have known. When this person spoke, it was comforting and peaceful, the words I received. I’m still out on whether or not it was real. It wasn’t prophetic, about something to happen, it was a statement about where I was at in my walk with Jesus.
This was way longer than I intended lol but I appreciate your videos, and your truth based from scripture so much!! It’s extremely refreshing and it’s helpful to know, I’m not alone in how I read and interpret the Bible!!
Hey there. Thanks for sharing, just wanted you to know that it would seem you have a gift of discernment which is being able to tell what is actually of God and what is not. The person who spoke over you had a word of knowledge which is also found in the Bible. They knew something about your life because God gave them that word over you. It should be encouraging because God truly sees you. He has seen you since the beginning. I pray that you would completely put all of your faith in Him because He is able to lead you, speak to you, teach you, show you the Way of Life which is found only in Jesus.
When you speak in tongues given to from the Holy Spirit you will not have to have any one lay hands on you
This is like the psychic conference I went to when I was in New Age. She did the same thing, “ did you guys….?” “I feel like…”
I have never heard him before, but I did encounter several "prophets" & I would use myself as a testing dummy, as I have always been fairly unique & don't follow the typical paths, & none came close to being accurate. It helped some of my associates to see that they were fishing & trying to use people's eagerness to decive them.
ALL of this is why I appreciate Melissa so very much!!💞
I remember having a similar experience at a prophetic conference 20 years ago where almost every woman in attendance had a prophetic word spoken over her. Meanwhile I was desperate to hear from God. My life was in tatters, I believed in my Salvation through Jesus but I was crying out to God help me in my unbelief, and I thought I would receive that help at the conference; I never had a prophetic word given to me.
Fast forward to present day and I know completely that God was protecting me in my vulnerable state. I believe fully that I am loved, even when I don’t “feel” loved. God perfectly loves me, He perfectly shows me His righteous, holiness regarding my relationship with Jesus. I trust God’s Word to reveal who God is, and not to tell me what is going to happen.
Thank you for sharing this experience Melissa and for being faithful to scripture and what the Lord has taught you through His word.
Amen! What Jesus did at calvary when he poured out his blood is enough.....his great love for us and grace is sufficient. 🥰
I appreciate your wisdom and the courage to speak on this topic. When I was a young and experience -seeking Christian I attended a "prophetic' evening with a then popular so called prophetess. I went with high hopes, believing I would hear from God. I was completely passed over that night and I ..WAS..CRUSHED. The devastation I felt ultimately led to my walking away from Christ for 38 years. I felted unloved by God, small and invisible. I spent years wondering the proverbial desert but Jesus found me and I have rebuilt my faith from the foundation -up. The Charismatic movement is dangerous and has led to the fall of many, many people.
Yep, ex experience seeker here. I wasn't even saved !, but different experiences kept me blinded to that fact. Praise God in 2008 He led me to REPENT & then receive Salvation. balanced body of believers , Like Melissa, grounded in THE WORD.
The mistake we make is that we want a person to confirm to us that God loves us and is concerned about our struggles instead of personally spending time with God in His Word and praying ourselves, getting a Word from the Holy Spirit while reading the Word and fellowshiping with God. Jesus was rejected and abandoned by everyone yet He knew that His Father loved Him and would never let Him go. Seek that kind of relationship with God yourself by spending time with God through the Word and prayer and He will confirm His love and acceptance to you Dear one. He promised if we seek Him with all of our heart we will find Him. It is up to us to individually seek Him. Once we do no matter who confirms us or doesn't we won't be shaken because we know whose we are. God bless!
@@philnasca6454 Completely agree with you on every point! Our personal relationship with God through prayer, meditation on His attributes and His living Word is all the ‘experience’ we need. Christ be with you brother💙
Growing up in the Pentecostal denomination, this was a common thing. There was a lot of fortune cookie 🥠 prophesy with no sound Biblical foundation. It was kinda weird how there were many people who would receive prophesy all the time vs. those who did not, which is the group where I fell into. For a while I believed that God wasn't interested in me and that I wasn't spiritual enough to be prayed or prophesied over. Glad I saw the light after I graduated undergrad.
It isn't real. I'll copy and paste what I just put up to correct her regarding the cessation of gifts that happened in the first century. The Lord Jesus Christ appeared to Paul and said he would reveal things. This of course refers to the dispensation of grace given to Paul for us, and the fall of Israel, they mystery of the riches of Christ. It was not all in prophecy. It would be revealed and not all at once. Paul said we know in part and prophecy in part. That makes perfect sense. Prophets were speaking on behalf of God. This would stop with all the scripture released. Tongues were a sign to unbelievers. Those of a different language understood others at Pentecost. It is not a personal prayer language or whatever cliche the local "Pentetcostal" church calls it these days.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is complete has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
Melissa I went to church was praying, heard a voice saying I am going to my hometown and take all my family to church.. I prayed everyday giving thanks to the Lord and trusting him to get me there...a week later I was gifted a ticket to go to my hometown... took all my family to sunday service..the ones that were not interested in going. I said to God your lord touch them I will wait.. sure enough they all went... it was a still small voice which I heard very clear.. I knew it was GOD... :) Praise you Jesus..
This was terrific. If you’re unable to watch the whole video, please listen to at least the last few minutes. It’s that desire for a sign from God, something visible that hints at our lack of faith. God is enough! Scripture is enough. God has given us so much revelation, but in the end He is so much higher, and his inexplicable nature is what makes him God. Naturally we’re going to want to see signs & wonders. Like Gideon we’re going to want dew on or off our garment for proof. Even our declaring of great parking spots as “blessings” hints at our desire for the invisible to be visible. And God does give us so much tangible declaration of his love. But in the end we need to make him alone enough.
I was this person too. God and scripture are definitely enough! Signs and wonders? There were enough recorded in scripture to prove Christ was the Messiah, not only that, they were prophesied in the old Testament so that when they came to pass they would know for sure this was the one! I realized several years ago when wanting God to prove His existence, that I am surrounded by 'signs and wonders'. Amazing and astounding nature and our human bodies - the intricacies and tiniest details just stagger the mind! The more I thought about this, the more I couldn't believe that the evidence of God was right here in front of me all the time!
I totally relate to your conclusion. During 2020/21, I had alot of dreams. Dreams that were correcting, as well as affirming. Then suddenly they stopped and I was left wondering, what did I do wrong? God, where did you go?
It really bothered me, until I heard someone ask essentially the same thing. Without the spiritual experiences, is God enough? It humbled me quickly. Of course God is enough, but I couldn't deny that these experiences made me feel special.
I then read in Matthew 16, where the religious leaders bated Jesus to show off his power and He called them, "a wicked and adulterous generation..". They were greedy for the razzmatazz, but their hearts didn't desire the truth. This convicted me, it still does. Jesus is our bread of life, he is our living water. He is enough, He is sufficient. The work of the cross that brings about the saving of our souls is really all the razzmatazz we need.
Went through something similar a couple months ago. Received some dreams about some stuff, and then it completely stopped. I was left feeling the same way you described. Thank you for commenting this, it gave me clarity and correction.
Amen!!!!!!
An articulate, well-mannered, and charming individual is much more likely to persuade and/or manipulate an audience with a maligned version of truth. These prophetic nights look to be little more than the psychic palm readers downtown who can tell your future for the right price. You make a great point, Melissa, when you say we should not be so eager to seek out the super-natural. God speaks to us through His Word and through prayer. Take care & be safe.
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Yes, thank you. I have a heart for those who think they're some sort of second class Christian if they're not being "zapped" by the Holy Spirit every day. It discourages those who are more sensitive and limits those who tend to be more cerebral.
This reminds me of when people thought I was a prophet and then went to prophetic nights at my church and had visions to give people. Now I realize it was all new age and not biblical. Hurts my heart that I deceived others by doing this.
In my past, I could have seen a woman doing this over me, and myself immediately falling for her and being super-obsessed with her. Praise God that did not happen, and Praise God that you are out of this nonsense.
What were those visions? If you don't mind sharing ofc
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@@vaishnaviteeluckdharry8054 words or images of different things, depending on who I was praying for a prophecy for. Always positive, was taught prophecies aren’t negative.
@@nancygardner5586 ha I was taught prophecies aren't negative as well ...smh
“Twitterpated”. A really good point. Not to totally throw shade on emotions… it seems to me it’s about balance. I don’t want to live by feelings because they change all the time. Nor do I want to totally live in my head, because I’d be missing out in some beautiful experiences. Gotta have both.
Exxaaaccctttllllyyyy.
100% agree. For years the feeling of being an "incomplete Christian" because I wasn't "given the gift of tongues" drove me in the New Age direction. Thankfully, reality slapped me in the face and I got back to the God of my childhood.
Hearing you talk about it made some pieces fall into place for me and I realize that "failure" in seventh grade led to over a decade of decisions driving me from God. Pretty sad that such was foisted on me by a "Christian" church.
I love this video, Melissa! I was obsessed with "prophetic" channels and I noticed they often sounded like mediums, psychics, etc. I had transitioned from an addiction to tarot, psychics, etc., to so-called prophets, and barely noticed a difference and finally, I was set free from it. I walked away. I've learned so much about God's word and what it actually means, and I'm so glad that I'm free from this. I want others to be free as well. Thank you for sharing this video!
I relate with everything you said Jessica. I got an accurate word from a psychic after i gave my life to God. I was still lost, with no guidance, so I called a psychic. The word actually revealed the devil at work in my life. This sparked a desire to hear from God, but I didn't hear from Him so I searched for a word from people. It was all unhealthy.
I thought I was the only one😮 I'm no longer listening to prophetic words on the internet
I can relate with your position of left of center charismatic very very much..not cessation but caution!
The phrase "i'm fishing here'" should raise a big red flag and start all kinds of alarm bells.
He used a lot of 'I feel' and 'i think' statements about what he's receiving from God. That is completely unlike the definitive statements found in scripture. Maybe because he doesn't understand what he's getting he is adjusting it to protect himself
I think he shouldn't say anything he isn't certain of. That can really mislead
Years ago I went with a friend to a prophetic, healing revival (this was in the early 1980s). There was a lot of emotion, but neither my friend nor I felt God's presence or even an opportunty to praise God. Afterward I asked my buddy, "What did you think?" His reply was, "Spiritual masterbation."
Now, we both still describe ourselves as evangelical Christians, but find a need some 40 years later to warn people about the emotional highs that get promoted and being taken up in the genuine presence of God's Holy Spirit.
Another fine presentation, Melissa. Keep up the good work.
Wow! My husband and I were talking with a friend and said the same. People are so desperate for a word from God and this supernatural feeling!
I’m not against God using people to speak still, but have been more doubtful since coming out of the charismatic stuff. If God never speaks to me that way…I’m totally fine! I have the word. My husband has given people specific words, and to specific people….not to a room full of people asking if anyone is there who it relates to. I never see someone in the Bible asking a general question to a group and then having the person say “yeah. That’s me you’re talking about” lol
If you wait for a voice watch out the devil will accomodate you . First read the Word, learn the Word, and find God through His word, then He will speak to you whichever way He Chooses.
A church that I was heavily involved with(I was one of 3 elders) decided to do a Shawn Bolz book for their homegroups to study, chapter by chapter… it was ‘Translating God’.
When I brought up the issues I had with Bolz(having done some rather deep looking into him years previously after a weirdly specific ‘prophecy’ over a friend of mine which didn’t come to pass in the slightest), the pastor’s wife who had chosen the book said she’d heard it all, but that he was all about love, so it was ok…
So because he said it’s all about love, it didn’t matter if he was truthful or legit or doctrinal…?
It blew me away completely.
She’d even tagged her location at the event, and posted about how she had decided to go to the Bolz show at the last minute…
I kid you not!
Great job clarifying your stance on hyper charismatic teaching and practices. I have friends at a church that is hypercharasmatic (my husband and I used to be hypercharasmatic and attended this church). I, too, believe that the gifts are in practice today and that God is certainly able to move without needing to change. We just have to stick closely to the word of God and remember that human nature tends to corrupt for the sake of power, pride and selfishness.
I love dancing before the Lord and singing expressively because God has been incredibly good to me. I may even take a lap, but God's word is paramount and often taken out of context in the hypercharasmatic church. One day I'll find a church solid scripturally AND with expressive praise and worship
"The Charismatic Movement in general is doubt looking for evidence." (From the series Charismatic Chaos by John MacArthur) I used to be open but cautious. Not anymore. I now consider myself firmly in the cessationist camp, especially as far as the revelatory gifts are concerned. (Tongues, prophecies, interpretation of tongues, dreams, visions) I believe that God orders the steps of those who belong to Christ and that miracles still occur but not to authenticate someone as an apostle or prophet. The foundation has already been laid by Christ, the Apostles and prophets and that's why I believe that the sign gifts are not in operation in the church. I'm 53 years old and spoke in tongues the first time at age 7. (1976) I started preaching at age 17 (1986) as a Oneness Pentecostal. At age 34, in 2003, I left my parent's Pentecostal church and joined my wife's family's Baptist church that we were married in. (We left over some legalism that was being taught over Christmas) It was the hand of God. I thought I could help that church out but instead God was helping me out. I asked God to show me if the Trinity and the security of the believer was true and He did. I didn't even know what justification was or the attributes of God were. It was embarrassing but doctrine is what I needed. I knew a lot of Scripture but it's like the Bible came to life when I began to see the doctrines of grace. The light bulb was turned on in me. All that being said, It was probably 10 years or so before I stopped praying in tongues and was beginning to become more and more convinced of the error of the Charismatic Movement. The biggest change in my life has been in the last 3-5 years and especially in 2020 when none of the prophets of Baal could see COVID coming or Biden being president. Jesus is coming very soon and Judgement begins at the house of God. God bless your ministry and quest for truth, Melissa Dougherty. Maranatha!
This was such a good comment! I can totally relate about coming out of the charasmatic church and also about the doctrines of grace. It is like the Bible came to life!
Wow. You did a great job handling that in a gentle, intelligent and wise way! Agree with you in most of the things you said here. I’m very much in the charismatic ‘stream’ but we are slack at reading our bibles and just enjoying and accepting the simplicity of his love through the scriptures. I love His presence and there’s definitely room for ministries that help with inner healing, ‘feeling’ can be dangerously subjective, and they can often be open to manipulation. I also thought it was interesting how the focus was on upgrading material things often- Nothing wrong with that per se, but often God is more interested in kingdom things like upgrading understanding of holiness, or the virtues of patience, or of His ways. Haven’t seen any of your other videos yet, but you deftly handled this one.
Thank you, I appreciate that, and your thoughts as well.
💯💯 yes He is concerned about our holiness & not increasing our materialistic things
Thank you so much for this!!! I’m currently in the middle of leaving this kind of theology and I’m desperate for the deception to be revealed in my own deceptive and wicked heart 🙌🏼 I have been desperate for God to reveal anything that is not truth!! Your work has become such a help!!
Yes, I went to see him in 2019 too. I was still trying to decipher Christianity and the prophetic movement. I was really confused with the readings at the end, lots of fishing and vague thoughts with encouraging words. It reminded me of an audience psychic reading when I was in the new age.
Yes, yes Melissa
You are doing just fine, stop apologizing.
They are going because they are seeking not God but a WORD. YES ask, ask questions. Like the term fortune cookie term.
WHAT????
I KNOW why you have the concern. Yes ask, the questions. YES!
"I prophesy that nothing interesting will happen to you this year. You'll spend the year working in the same dead end job, trying to make ends meet and going from one day to the next."
- no one ever
Almost 70 years ago, I was born into a non-charismatic, cessationist family and church. My whole life I have been blessed to live in the security of knowing God loves me because the Bible tells me so! Your last point, Melissa, makes me sad for those who have been led to base their feeling of God's love on prophecies, etc. I am thankful for being taught to trust in God's written Word.
Amen
I appreciate your balanced assessment so much, Melissa. You are correct that true Words of knowledge are very specific and those sharing it don’t ask questions to fish for info; they declare it because the Holy Spirit is pressing upon them and they can’t NOT speak it forth. Prophecy must stand up to scrutiny against the written Word of God or it is not prophecy!
Rebecca Shafer I agree. If it's "God" that's supposedly speaking through a person, why would they need to ask anything?? God knows everything and has no need to ask..
I was caught up in that for some years but by the grace of God I have been out for approximately 5 or so years now. The transition isn't easy. Old habits are hard to break. Mindsets are the worst. I must tell you that Melissa's videos have been a tremendous help to me. Some others have helped too but I do appreciate the way she gets her points across without sounding all crazy. I don't mind the critiquing of others teachings at all, but don't be laughing and such while you are doing that. That's not what I am there for.
Same! Exactly what I was thinking, sounds just like a medium!
The "prophecy" was definitely just like a cold reading. I thought the same thing the moment he started it.
Thanks for sharing this, Melissa. I grew up in a small town Pentacostal church and, after school, joined a hypercharismatic church where these kind of things were the norm.
Your closing thoughts describe in the finest detail my life for ten to fifteen years after this. That constant craving for the supernatural even had me into progressive Christian thought circles for many years as well as abandoning my faith altogether at some point because ‘obviously I’m not one of God’s favourite kids’.
Thank you for your insights, especially at the end. This has been a struggle for me for about a year now, and your wisdom has pointed me in the right direction.
Thanks for the great work you do Melissa... I'mma learn to be as gentle as you, that is, if I can. I'm a bit on the straightforward and brash side.
The first "word" from Boltz though....he said "I feel like...." so many times I just blanked out. The prophets in the bible never felt like God was speaking. When the word came, there was no doubt about the speaker: God!! I also noticed that most of Boltz' crew only "prophesy" nice things on their own people, never calling out sin or the need for repentance which was actually a core message with most, if not all, biblical prophets. May God help us in these last days as we take a stand for truth.
As a pentecostal christian I 100 percent agree with everything you said so far (I had to pause half way through) in my own experience prophesying over someone looks way different than what he is doing. I drove 7 hrs on Easter because I felt like God was telling me to go speak at my uncles church and I was reluctant because the message was all about repentance. I was literally trembling on stage trying to get the words out, truth is I'm not God so I don't even know who it reached or if anyone was moved by it, I just had to obedient to God.
Love how you explain "twitterpated" for God. It is so true. I often feel as if God is not interested in my life because I don't "hear" from him daily or have these experiences you speak of & I know I am not alone. Feeling as you say, a 2nd hand Christian because we lack these experiences, as if having Jesus alone is not enough, is really perpetuated by these prophetic & hyper charismatic circles. Everybody wants that spiritual experience from one who hears from God.
I sat in a church like that for nearly 2 decades, where "prophets" would come to visit. What I noticed over time, was that God never had a word for the average person, say teachers or nurses or retail workers etc. No, the front row people always got the prophecies or those who owned businesses cuz God was going to bring them increase & they would do great things. I even remember the one prophet who could give people's addresses & then told one lady to expect a $300,000 check in the mail. She was in the pastor's inner circle. Many years later, the check never came & she no longer attends the church as is the case with myself & thousands of other members who left for many reasons.
It's just disheartening that Jesus isn't enough anymore.
Jesus is enough and He always will be. This WOF and NAR nonsense is what's never going to be enough.
I thank God for your ending statement. Jesus is all I need. Blessings abundantly to you and your family
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Another great video, Melissa. Thank you!
Now I'm like: what if someone that he was 'prophesying' to be like 'Nah, I ain't tellin' you, you tell me - you know, right?'
Ooh! Like Nebuchadnezzar did with his "prophets" and soothsayers. They couldn't do it, but Daniel could!
"I fee like God is saying to me..." I heard this so often from the members of a church I recently visited. I started to wonder why I'm the only one God is not speaking to. (being sarcastic!) What I also noticed is how all these prophesies was always good news, like you mentioned and I started to see a pattern of "ear tickling". Surprisingly, as your friend mentioned as well, I was never prophesied over because I was not really part of the "family".
So blessed by this!! Wow you just called so many eye-opening moments for me and I really appreciate it 👏
This is such a good topic & teaching! Thank you! ♥️♥️♥️
Thanks Melissa for once again treating this topic, with skillful thought and grace.
Most of my walk with the Lord was in the hyper charismatic space. Up until 5 years ago when after listening to such amazing bible scholars like Dr. R.C Sproul and Dr. Wayne Grudem. I slowly began to learn a sound biblical systematic theology.
I appreciate the clarity and light you help to bring on these issues 😊
Beware of Calvinism and Reform Theology. Follow Jesus and let no man glory in men,. Grace and Peace.
@@danmarley2886 why do you say to beware of Calvinism and Reformed?
“Bad theology hurts people.” - you said it well. That’s a big part of why gently but directly voicing disagreement about harmful teachings is both loving and helpful. Keep it up sis. (Former hyper-charismatic here btw. I briefly embraced cessationism, but currently I’d call myself a moderate continuation’ist lol)
I needed to hear this. Thank you
Please never stop making videos. Your Chanel is what I needed.
This is good, extremely good. Now I’ve had prophecies that are extremely specific that came to pass. But also there were “prophecies” I had that were vague and not of God. Those vague ones make Christians look bad and the gospel look weak. It is rampant in the church.
We cannot force God to speak, period. Thank you for diving deep into this and sharing my sister in Christ🙏🏾
Thank you for this. I have been uncomfortable with how much has been clumped under the prophetic label. I know I have the prophetic gift, but I’m very careful with when I speak to people as I hear from the Lord. I don’t treat it casually and I always tell them to ask the Lord for confirmation. I know it’s also something you do have to do in order to fine tune your listening skills in connection to the Holy Spirit. I acknowledge that I am finite and will make mistakes but I also give it to the Lord every time and ask that only His words remain with the person and not ones that may have come from my human impressions/desires.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but how do you "know" you have the prophetic gift? I've met people who claim that and seem sincere but only seem to give vague words ( and general positive encouragement) although they may be sincerely trying to "help" it causes more confusion and unnecessary suffering.
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I appreciate your commentary and willingness to touch on these tough topics. Thank you.
I am so glad I found your channel! God Bless you and your ministry!
Thank you Melissa! I’ve been in charismatic circles for a few years now and have avoided listening to any challenging view points out of fear. God is now helping me step out and be challenged and I’ve found your channel to be a very healthy resource in this time.
I definitely understand the part where you said 'have avoided listening to any challenging view points out of fear.' YES, I was like that too, why is that? Was it because I was taught to 'touch not God's anointed'? or that to question was to invite God's wrath? or maybe we were afraid of being 'double-minded' and keeping God from fulfilling his so-called promises made by these people? I was also taught the we had the 'full' gospel, and others didn't. I don't know, but when I came out of that circle, I sincerely asked God for understanding while committing to read the scriptures daily (I was not a big Bible reader up to that point!), thinking and pondering what I read, setting aside everything I thought I knew so I could see what I was missing in the scriptures. Context was a big part of it! (these people like to cherry pick scripture and twist meanings of them. There was a lot of indoctrination to be undone/corrected.). God has helped me so much. He is a patient, kind and gentle God. He didn't mind my questions either! I wanted to be a Berean - one who searched the scriptures to be sure that what was being taught to them was Truth. We have permission in scripture to question. :0)
I just love your videos! You have taught me to really question and validate even the most popular teachings, I am always (ok no so much now) shocked at so many false teachings. I too just crave the truth but also want to understand what others believe so I can better defend my views with the backing of scripture. Thank you for doing this!
I love this sister so much.
Wow...I really need to ponder on that last question.
Thanks for sharing Melissa, this was good
You just nailed something that happened to me on a woman’s church retreat! Twitterpated, is the word that best describes the annoyance I felt around them. If they weren’t in constant worship or verbiage, it was like not in constant step. It annoyed me deeply. I absolutely love Yeshua my whole life, but I know there’s a balance, or your just going to turn people off. It in some way it’s like politics, I don’t need to be in constant discussions of it, so I don’t give the impression I have my head stuck in the sand. I absolutely love these women, they have a huge heart so I know they mean well. We are all in our own little prisons of beliefs. 🙌🏼❤️🔥🙌🏼
That is similar to a guy I was getting to know.All he talked about was the Bible,healing and politics and it was so annoying.I love the Lord but their needs to be a healthy balance in life.We were on the phone once after a deep theological discussion and as it was finishing up it just got quite.He had recently started a new job and so I asked how is that coming along??He says oh so you don’t wanna talk about the Bible anymore...👀🙄Don’t get me wrong I love talking about the things of God but I mean bring it into every conversation and over spiritualizing everything is unhealthy.
Thank you Melissa- very good video here!! Sadly, I relate -I went to see him (Bowles) and many others in NAR for over a decade- -but your candid words toward the end of your video really hit home. Misinterpreting hearing from God occurs, and toxic cycles from inner woundedness a contributing factor, leading to addiction sensation. I’m watching your other one you mentioned in this one -Thank you ❤keep up the good work!! I am new to your channel- this video is a year old 😊
Sorry my comment got X’s through I could not correct it
I really enjoyed this. But at the end you really pierced my heart in a good way I guess. I'm one of those people that gets jealous of other people's"stories" and whatever else God has done for him or said to him. One time I asked somebody why do I never get to experience Jesus that way? And I was told because once would not be enough for you. And that is so so true. If He did it once then why is he not doing it now when I need it more than ever! You are a very very wise person Melissa. Thanks for all you do
Thank you for helping to be perceptive, and discerning.
Loved this content and really relate to it. In my charismatic environment there can be a lot of talk about prophets. At first I was really drawn to prophets. Until I began noticing that it’s often getting to be like christian fortune telling. God doesn’t give prophesies at my time, but at His time. When He finds it necessary.
I’ve “liked” this after only 2.5 mins because I know from watching your previous videos, you will present a fair and accurate view of this charismatic environment! 🙏🙏🙏
Awesome video.Great job.Hope you can bring us more like this
Healthy skepticism is soooo necessary in the body of Christ...it should never stop. That's why we are called to try spirits and judge according to fruit and the word of God. That skepticism wanes as you get to know someone, but it still remains. Your growing relationship with someone will make you use that skepticism to even protect them as you grow closer.
Melissa, you said "when people got prophecy, it was incredibly specific". I have recently finished reading Isaiah, and have read the whole Bible, and every prophet with a book comes to mind: Daniel, Joel, Habakkuk, etc. [I'm just going to say all of them]. While there may have been some specifics, large sections of prophecy is not specific, and specific or not, it's not all clear...until that prophecy is fulfilled, and in some cases quoted in the New Testament. I'm now reading Revelation -- clear as mud -- detailed, yes, but how many books have been written on the possible meanings of it all, who it applies to and when? You make some good points about how he's going about delivering his prophetic words: Birthdays & anniversaries, asking certain questions, and even "does that apply to someone here?" I'm just pushing against the idea that prophecy is always specific -- or if it's specific, against the idea that its application would be clear. In the case of Isaiah, is "the servant" Jesus? (Isaiah 53) or specific apostles? (Isaiah 49:6 quoted in Acts 13:47), or perhaps any servant of God doing the will of the Lord? In giving His word, God does not make clear that the "servant" He's referring to is different from one chapter to another.
One important thing I think we need to do is to ask God for His interpretation of whatever He has said or shown us before we open our mouth about it, or take action on it. We should ask God for understanding, and what He wants us to do with the information.
Good point! A lot of prophecy in the Bible is somewhat vague and confusing but it was still true.
Very interesting, I from this type of theology thought process but in the last 10 years I got on the right path and have a better understanding of God’s word. It’s a long road to get on this track and stay on it without going or looking back. God is so loving and patient with me.. thank for this video now I know I am not crazy. Also learning from a good leader that reads his Bible and trust in the Lord for the right direction. If I don’t agree with a speaker I right down notes and talk to God and read the Bible for the truth.
Amen Sister!
Thank you, and God bless.
You did a great job Melissa. Thanks!
Thank-you for your videos. They are so helpful and you do a great job. I've never had a super natural experience with God or Jesus and I've been a follower for 42 years...but, I know how much I am loved by God. I'm reminded everyday. Thanks again, Melissa 💜
I appreciate this video well explained and explored. And your intro explaining where your coming from was good. I like how you said God won't bypass our minds and go straight to our heart when giving a prophecy. I remember when I was in the new age one of the people in the group said they had a christian prophet walk up to them and tell them God was very pleased with them. This person DID work in community services helping vulnerable people but she was also a practising psychic. She walked away thinking Christians are just doing the same thing she is but with more rules and dogma in place. I was new age and am now charismatic but i fully understand why we need to be careful especially after coming from new age and our addiction to psychics and tarot etc. Sometimes there's just simplicity in the Bible and it's nice to just be content with that. Sometimes it's probably better to say, 'hey while you were talking i had a thought do you think....', rather than 'thus says the Lord'.... for me i ended up in the new age, in part because I was going through something bad and i said God, if you can't come down here and actually help me i don't want to be hear anymore. I thought he's made this world, it's aweful and I'm supposed to follow a bunch of rules in spite of constantly being pooped on or he will judge me and I'm going backwards instead of forwards in life. That was what i thought. And he did come save me from that but then the new age insinuated itself into the space that had opened and i got pulled away from Christianity all together. So i didn't have a proper comprehension of the gospel and i was struggling to walk the path. He brought me back though, cause here i am 😂
Thank you for sharing. May God continue to guide and bless you. ❤
You are spot on in my way of thinking.
Thanks for a great video.
We've received specific prophecy that still blows my mind during a Sunday service. This prophetess did not know my husband's car accident, spine being fused, TBI, & gastro issues. Yet she asked us both to walk around the church together as she walked w/ us stating God told her that He will make my husband's organs anew! Since the prophecy my husband has been able to eat food, he went nearly 10 years w/ inability to eat solid foods & constant vomiting. He was concerned he would need a feeding tube. Now we continue to pray for the spine & his head. He battles w/ daily migraines & chronic pain.
Amen that's awesome! Praise 🙏🏻
Not saying you would disagree but I would like to remind us that we owe all praise to God who is the author of true miracles. Here it seems like she was a willing servant. Please remember to always put your trust in God alone. People can fail within seconds as Jesus demonstrated on Peter. Later on Paul had to rebuke Peter for the conflict of Jews and Gentiles. He failed for we all fail as humans. Nevertheless God will lift us up if we humble ourselves before him. He is Lord and only He is worthy of our praise 🙏
@@adampetersen2415 amen yes absolutely!
@@Ephesians5-14 yes we definitely consistently praise God for His mighty work in my husband. As a church & as a couple we often reflect what He has did & continues to do in his body.
This was a brilliant video Melissa! You gave a loving, balanced breakdown of this issue that I learned a lot from. I've so appreciated hearing your commentary and experience when it comes to this topic. God bless you!
I've recently been trying to become more open to the reality of spiritual gifts and learn more about them, and I share your sentiment so far about rarely seeing them authentically and not being abused. It's tragic. There are ecclesiological issues causing this that stem from unbelief and idolatrous lusts. I personally feel there is a systemic lack of testing when it comes to supposed "prophecies". What gets said in a service is too unmoderated in some circles and is not checked beforehand by leaders. Thus, false prophecies slip through and the idolatry of the supernatural is allowed to thrive. I think this is often well intentioned. Some churches are wonderful churches - the sermons are great, the worship is fabulous and the community loves the Lord - but still suffer from these issues. People seem to feel like they don't want to stifle the Spirit's work, which is a good sentiment, but we must come back to what God has said in His word and the instructions we're given on how churches should be run. We cannot presume we know better based on our own feelings. We need to take care to follow Scripture, and leaders need to do their jobs as shepherds of God's people. Ensuring spirits are tested, discerning truth from lies, and teaching the congregation to do the same.
Granted, I don't have a lot of knowledge and experience with these things yet. Anyone who's reading is welcome to share their thoughts!
Melissa I so agree with you, this is so on point.
This is so well laid out. Thank you. You put words to the experience I had with churches I attended when I became a believer.... it has been a long journey. This video affirms that the Lord does love me and that I do hear from Him...I questioned things all the time and felt crazy. It wasn't until I moved that God showed me Himself and the truth of all of this. People just wanted to put the HS on display. So sad. Bless you 🙏.
Thank you Melissa, right on point. And, yes, the true Jesus Christ in scriptures is more than enough for me and I thank Him daily for helping me come out from under such years ago, my faith was almost shipwrecked, but so glad it wasn't once I left that kind of ministry. God bless you and your family and sharing this also. And thank you for helping keep the privacy as well very respectful. 🤗💖🙏📖
I asked a friend how he knows if a prophet is from God. He cited Deut. 18:22 “when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.”
Deuteronomy 18:22 ESV
Then I asked to read Deut 13: 1-3
““If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.”
Deuteronomy 13:1-3 ESV
Jesús and the apostles warned about the last days signs of many false prophets. Do not be deceive!
Well done. Spoken with grace and wisdom.
This couldn't have come at a better time. I was getting so caught up on the experiences and stressing myself out so bad bc I wantrs to have a supernatural experience. I'm really struggling and this just eased my heart so much. I just fully truthfully honestly want to serve God with my whole heart mind and soul. I'm so afraid of being les astray bc I already did that for the first 30 years of my life, but it seems like it's just as easy to be led astray even in the christian world as it is in the world and that frustrates me so much. Every time I ask a hard question that people don't have answers for they say well read the scripture when they themselves can't tell you the scripture that makes them think that way. It's like how am I suppose to understand the scripture your telling me to read if you don't even understand it yourself....I'm sorry to unload in your comment section, but I just needed to get this out I guess. Thank you for what you do.
My first impression was that it sounded like a cold reading, too. I come from a charismatic background, and the misuse of the gifts. And I tend toward the skeptical. I'm open to see the gifts used properly, but I'm not sure I ever have. Thanks for your insight!
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this and God bless you sister! Grew up in Assembly Of God churches, and as Pentecostal as I am, I’ve always had questions and concerns about ministers who claim to have the gift of prophecy, so I’m right there with you, and I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you breaking everything down and discussing the ways that it can truly be problematic and harmful it can be, if it’s not being done biblically
Thank you for those captions. It means a lot to understand what was being said!
I went to a prophecy class at my church when I went there (I moved). One of the two biggest things they made sure they drove home is learn God and His word and also to learn the hierarchy of the church. Because if someone had a word for a person they are connected to the Word and also if a person had a word for the church they ask the pastor or elder before giving it. It was a wonderful time and the opposite of the class you went to lol
You cannot teach people to "prophesy". This is so unbiblical and dangerous because of the very obvious reason that you don't know where that person you are teaching is at in regards to sanctification and renewing of the mind. To give someone a big gun like the gift of prophesy when they may indeed be very unhealthy and broken spiritually, mentally and emotionally is going to lead to a lot of injured and wounded people including the person prophesying.
@@leonoreburciaga2023 somewhat agree. Prophesy cannot be taught, but it’s given by the Lord and Him only. He chooses whoever He wants.
We ourselves cannot give that gift to anyone.
Why would there be a class for prophesy?
Regardless of the appeals to what the real prophetic gift looks like in Scripture, churches seem to want to throw it out in favor of what they want it to be.
@@mellidrarobin7369 A class to learn about prophecy perhaps?
Prophet Melissa you were spot on with your word! that completely hit home with me!! Thank you for your obvious authentic gift of prophecy!!!
Sheilaboughtahonda!!!
teaching is teaching and prophesy is prophecy bro they are different
@@amanbushie7605 did you watch the video?
Women are not prophets, a prophet is a man.
Moreover, under the new covenant, there is no prophetess as it was the case in the old testament. Anna was the last mention of a legitimate prophetess.
In the book of the Revelation, there was at Thyatira, a woman named Jezebel, who called herself a prophetess, whom they allowed to teach the people to eat things offered to idols.
We do not all have the gift of prophecy, but simply having the gift does not qualify one as a prophet..
Prophecy is unto men, for edification, exhortation and comfort.
In the Church, prophecy is subject to be judged by other prophets. It is not always a foretelling of events, but it may be simply a magnifying of God under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, as on the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts, or in Acts 19, when certain disciples received the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues and prophesied.
Think soberly, as God has given to every man the measure of faith (that is to say, gift). And as every man has received the gift, let him minister the same, and prophecy according to the measure of faith given him, and be not vain glorious.
Grow in grace and in the knowledge of God and of Christ.
@@MelissaDougherty yes i did sister melissa and i got a question ,if u don't mind me asking.