The British class system isn't like this...
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2023
- Today's video is about the very complex and nuanced subject of class in the UK! For sure everyone has their own views and opinions about this, and I definitely don't wish to offend anyone! Next week we'll continue talking about the 4 remaining "myths" 🧐
The Great British Class Calculator:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/20...
0:38 Caveats
1:21 What is class?
1:36 Lower class
1:53 Working class
2:46 Middle class
3:22 Upper class
5:15 Myth #1
12:15 Next time
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這讓我想到之前聽外國教授（忘記是英國人還是歐洲哪個國家）說，在許多人炫耀著自己買了什麼名貴的包包、車子、鞋子或豪華別墅時，物質上的炫耀在北歐國家已經過時了，現在北歐人的炫耀方式是說自己的生活方式有多環保、健康或人道，例如買了fair trade的水果、連瓶子都能分解的沐浴乳等。當然，這肯定有個體差異，我教授的說辭也可能是根據個人經驗並簡化後的結果，但我覺得這是相當有意思的現象（
很喜歡這類英國文化的介紹，謝謝Susie
聽舒萱的英語很舒服，內容又非常有水準和深入，感覺都快被舒萱帶入上流社會的環境中了😂
我覺得不是*上流社會* ，而是 *有教養的思想，見解*
的前提下，自然產生的英文口語，語調。
非常喜欢Susie做这种有自己insight的视频，其中很多短语用法也很有用。Big fan！
love your linguistic ability to swap between fluent Mandarin and English so seamlessly ❤😊
謝謝舒萱，讓我們知道英國文化跟東西方文化差異。 感恩
Your video is always enjoyable because you are such a charismatic and cultivated person. Keep it up Susie.
Such a fascinating video. Thank you Susie
susie我每次看你的视频都能有英语能力、视野开拓等等方面的收获，感谢分享❤❤（而且还可以看美女😊）
Thank you for explaining this complicated topic with this fair, succinct video! BTW, I like your acting from 05:55 😊👍
You’ve navigated the sensitivity of this topic beautifully, well done!
Really good topic and thanks for sharing!
非常棒的分享❤！期待之後上課學習
Tks to Susie for ur good work n insights shared😘
这次拍摄的这个花园好棒，Susie，可以聊一下英式花园，感觉你聊起来会非常有意思。
This is very well said! thanks Susie
like your facial expression while playing cricket. very entertaining and informative session, well done Susie
謝謝你的解析😊
I really like your videos, they are interesting and I can learn English from them. Thank you very much.
非常喜歡這集 謝謝
去英國唸過書，就很可以理解Culture對於社會的關聯和影響
感謝製播，萬分佩服美女的勇氣，非常有內涵，這是聯合王國人民不願提及的現實 … 🙋
Outstanding content. Thank you!
非常認真的影片，像讀了一篇專欄文章甚至小論文！
Thank you very much for this interesting topic ❤❤❤👍👍👍👍
Thanks, Susie. It’s interesting.🙂
很中立的影片 👍
Dear Susie, I am really impressed by your insights of the topic, hence your intelligence. A lady of distinct temperament, and great beauty.
You reminded me of Catherine McCormack in The Brave Heart..😊
Beautiful British accent and subtitle I can be understandable, looking forward to seeing more video like this. Cheers.
Thank you very much Susie for explaining this interesting topic to us! Would you mind having another video talking about another related topic, Downton Abbey the British TV drama? I'm curious how British people think about this drama as it seems quite popular. Does it reflect a certain kind of mixed feeling of curiosity and admiration from the audience?
+1
Yes, in Downton Abbey it seems to me that class division in Britain is very serious, you have the noble that doesn't need to work the land and people who worked for the nobles, but at the end of the series, we are seeing how society is changing since the First World War.
It's a very nice piece. Feeling so much consonant here.
I have struggled a couple times to explain to some of my Chinese new immigrant friends (usually didn't go well) how the system is working here, why they don't have to so obsessively pursue a higher social economical status or classes, don't necessarily squeeze out every single pocket coin sending the kids to private schools...
Behind these bunch of behaviors actually there are something even bigger in the mindsets, like stereotyping people by their ID of class, race, ethnicity, panicking to living in a sunburb seeing more poor people or lower class/race moving in, politically tend to conservative which is totally fine, but more like a remnant in the mind of believing in absolute power other than democracy.
I v been diving into such an ideological world and trying to understand its bottom logic. Simply people have their mindsets established from their life or survival experience. They believe in power in a whole, not necessarily distinguish power, money or class as they treat them the same thing which can guarantee them safe, extra resources, and supremacy to others. All these are deeply rooted to a society with a highly unificated power - totalitarianism. No strange a highly hierarchy society in history usually was also a monarchy country.
Modern societies have evolved with a more diversified value system which allows people can live their lives with a more individual and personal way. It's the base of the freedom and thriving.
that's a funny topics sharing, thanks for the tips !
第一次被CZcams推薦，你中文太好了吧
Yes, I agree that down-to-earth is a lovable personality/character, and appreciate Brits' modesty as well! Street fashion is so appealing that it makes one look urban-chic expressing strong sense of individuality, I(from HK) love wearing in this style too!
I wish to see more videos of you playing cricket. You know, as a Taiwanese baseball fan, we are fascinated by cricket.
Beautiful kitchen, I like it.
好棒啊！这一期！
不过中文字幕有些许错误。9:57 Deprivation 或许不应该翻译为堕落状态。“沉醉其中”或许是不是好一些啊？
拥有了就不太在意，未曾有用却让人向往！加上个人对唐顿庄园的绝对挚爱，所以想感受一下贵族生活，唐顿的影响力+1😂😂😂。我觉得英国人大部分都很有自己的想法，多元多角度，有点小哲学家的意思❤😂很多观点对于我这个亚洲人来说很新奇，我觉得非常好。
Now I get to know more about British culture. Thank you Susie. By the way, the house is posh 😆
I think your opinion about class is cool, like it
Love the content and how you deliver it ❤
舒萱好有气质！
小萱的鼻翼最动人可爱，因为微笑在那里排队聚集
舒萱，我很喜歡這個主題，
1. working class
2. middle class
3. upper class
有個問題想請問您，在觀賞"英國"的電影和電視影集，來至英國和美國的朋友會告訴我，這位演員正在用勞工階級的英文對話，另外那個演員用上層的英文說話對話，我的問題是，這是因為演戲的需要而改變說話模式，還是目前在英國依舊會有很多人用上層階級模式的語言，無論他們的真實的身分，只是想讓自己展現禮貌，或讓別人覺得他們更有格調和上流的身分。謝謝
Love that someone gets to talk about class system in Britain. Sometimes it seems (marginally) to be a taboo!
Btw, ‘shrinking’ = 縮小；‘下滑’ = slipping/sliding downward
Thanks for sharing and that's a thoughtful contrast of culture between East and West. With home origin from Hong Kong, I can say in our cultural context, getting wealthy and climbing up the social ladder are always desirable in general.
你说英文的时候太快了！
I think we can’t categorise people base on their wealth, but conduct ,behaviour and attitude of a person would determine with his or her quality. People as like yourself has an excellent quality and very graceful attitude. I am impressed
根據BBC測試，我是Technical Middle Class的階級。其實在英國社會階級的辨識還是很重要，不管你想做什麼，一定會遇到這個偏見情況。
😄 原來國協同胞自己也要作測驗啊？俺以為那是寫在 DNA裡的認知耶 … 😉
我的DNA一定是混血過的血統，沒辦法從我的DNA裡認知分清楚我的英國社會階級。我是北歐民族的血統那肯定很清楚。在英國Technical Middle Class 是一個新出來的社會階級，這個階級佔總人口6%，那樣我算是一個英國少數民族原住民吧！@@leesimage
@@realtaichi 哇塞，感謝您的回覆，您的華語太厲害啦！祖籍北歐又在英格蘭工作，並會流利的中文！太佩服啦！🙌
Learned a vast British vocabulary.
从Ins来的，加油！
These four classes are similar to Hong Kong, based on different statuses in groups of people.
A fascinating topic to listen to the society.
❤謝謝分享
你好！很喜歡看到你出現及教學英語，但每次學習只感覺到你說英語時都很快速，對於我在學習課題上很費力，有感學習時聽及看追不上一致，學習上感有點吃力，如你能關注到這點就更完美！！我也在期待有一天收看你片時能流暢到完全了解及聽講一致。謝謝！
謝謝分享
That is very different from what I thought!! I thought more Brits want to be related to like royal families.
Thank you!!
上流跟王室貴族應該是兩種東西，王室貴族是祖上傳下來，平民即使再有錢也不會成為王室貴族哪一族群。
Cool subjects to understand English cultures 🌷🌷
Very interesting discussion and part of it amusing.😊It seems rather anachronistic that there are still people out there these days who are still concerned about their social status without realizing that even noble birth is totally meaningless. After all, you can't choose your birth but what really matters is what you do. You would never see the real super rich brag because they don't need to do. If they are decent, they devote their energy on a cause rather on vanity.
OMG Susie looks so elegant
Any sensible real upper class person would surely won't want to proclaim themselves as one in my opinion.
What a lovely place by the way!!
My experience so far is that nearly all Brits are humble, friendly and down to earth, though some of them have a nice Land Rover, and have summer holiday in Spain/ Italy/ South America. Maybe I don't have any chance to meet any upper class people yet.
Good video
It is human nature to seek status, power, recognition and money. Lots of my friends around me are striving for them, some are British, and some are non-British. E.g., one is my PostDoc Supervisor who is British, is now CBE, FRS, FMedSci, Non-executive director of companies and Professor at a top UK University. Essentially, they just want to feel good about themselves. ❤
我记得读过一本书“the Englishness”, 也讲了很多起名，生活class用语，穿着，哪里买东西。。。等分出class。😂
I was wondering if the background is CG then I saw the sun ray changed and realized Susie is in that house. It is interesting to me because most of the time I saw British flats are small, people living in such a big house must be extrordinary wealthy. Then Susie said it is not her house...
INTERESTING!
非常有趣，感謝分享。我聽過的解釋為英國階級固化，沒有多少上流的空間。也有可能這兩點相輔相成，因為長期階級固化，因此大家都放棄繼續向上流動，而形成不同的文化？
Thanks!
Thank you so much Michael! 💝
希望年輕的時候就看過這部影片 ，省去一生好多空泛的念頭。
Have you read "Watching the English" by Oxford anthropologist Kate Fox? It could give you interesting topics to talk about. Of course, I enjoy your discussions too.
It's really interesting to learn about the stereotypes regarding social classes in the UK! I find it particularly convincing when these perspectives come from a native in England.
I'd like to discuss the quote you mentioned: "There are fun people and arsehole people scattered throughout the income and class sections of society." However, I believe that things are quite different in Asia or Hong Kong. I admit that this is a sensitive topic, but based on my observations, individuals from the middle-class or upper-class (I am referring only to income here) are more likely to be open-minded or "fun" in nature. This is because they often have greater opportunities to pursue higher education, study abroad, or travel, which contribute significantly to their knowledge, experiences, and personalities. While it is still possible for individuals from lower-income families to be "fun," it is generally more challenging in Hong Kong or Asia, at least in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing, Susie!
I don't think you need to be educated and experienced to be a kind person. And on the contrary, I have been seeing a lot of kind people who are so willing to give, but just because they are so willing to give their resources away, they don't have enough savings to enjoy themselves.
In 1989 when I went to the UK for the first time, there was a firm that would ONLY employ graduates from the public schools.
毫無疑問，英國的階級分別現在主要看你有多少財富而不是出身名門
想起以前看過本 Watching the English/the hidden rules of English behavior，再看了這集Susie視頻。你怎能不喜歡英國文化呢？
👍👍
Hi susie, how do you do your doubsle subtitles, thats something i'm always struggling wiht. its hard to outsource.
Not only Britain, all countries have such classes. Some divides seriously.
The Brits might be very subtle to talk about class, but it does exist. Just check out Central, West and East London, and you can easily experience the distinctive gap.
the survival of the fittest ,the proverb by a great biologist ,Darwin 達爾文 妳很漂亮!!
Love the video. To me, the word upper class now represents an old definition that no longer represents people who are really rich or powerful and therefore become a symbol of unwanted. The fact that it symbolizes something less powerful and has less potential in the future is the real reason it became unpopular.
Yes, I remember someone uses the terms "old money" and "new money" to distinguish the nobles who inherited their lands and titles, and those who become super rich in the modern world, like those oligarchs from Russia, or rich kids from China.
Nice
可以說一下Oasis的Wonderwall 為什麼在英國人心中有特別地位嗎?
👍💫🧚♀️😇love it
Just completed the survey from The Great British Class Calculator, I'm relieved to find out that I'm in the category of the Techical Middle Class 😂
see last name Woo, but still, when video started, DID NOT expect mandarin... i am 75 percent Chinese and yet English my only hope
Thanks for sharing Susie! My result is Elite, but I think it's mostly due to how much money/ asset I have. The US, with its comparatively lower taxes, might be a tad easier to build wealth in than the UK. Choosing where to live can reshape one's life, and often, it's a choice many don’t even realize they're making. I once took a leap from Beijing to West Africa in pursuit of opportunities, and that journey led to a scholarship at University of Notre Dame (US), and eventually I decided to live in the US. I built my financial freedom over the course of seven years, and now I no longer work for money. Today, after teaching at Arizona State and launching my own businesses, I'm crafting videos to champion financial literacy and inspire others. I always wonder: if not for that first leap, where would I be? 🌍📚🎥🌱
This is interesting. I agree that the classes are very blurred and outdated as my friend told me many decades ago, some naughty boys in the state schools teased girls in grammar schools as upper class. Now you can't hear any people talk about this topic in UK, because the lifestyles are very diverse and it is meaningless to talk about it. It's true that chav says 'you are posh' to insult people who look 'special' to them, but in fact, they are ignorant and silly.
猫不需要人承認，永遠都是貴族🤔
4:13 翻譯有誤： live theatre ≠ 看生活，戲劇
Interesting perspective. Even though the idea of class may no longer be a in-you-face thing, but could it be that it still simmers in the British collective subconscious?
Malcomb Gladwell once made this observation on the British class system, "How awesome is that you can live in a society in 2011 where people are still paying attention to things like, was there a moat around the house you grew up in."
So, a guy may dress like bum, but he might really enjoy telling other people, in a nonchalant fashion, that he went to Eton and employs a butler.
Because if I were rich, I'd do that. :-)
Mixed n blended as society develop
Let’s do a social experiment: visit the local Poundland in the stereotypical attires to each social class and let’s find out how people perceive you based on your appearance, your accent and your mannerism.
As a parent based in London, lots of English parents said they don’t want to send kids to private but next term you found they changing school. I think about private education, international parents are more honest than British because British feel a bit shame and uncomfortable to be posh …….😂
like posh spice
Most English university students wear oversized Jack Wills outfit, Oxford students will always be in their black and white gowns.
Well, what I feel here is that quite a few guys in both working class and upper class don't wanna stay inside their own class that much, since working class guys have to face their inflating consumer prices, food prices, utility bills and transport spends, and even struggling to rent their own home if they live in south England, meanwhile upper class guys have to face their 40% or even 45% tax let alone other taxes like VAT. One of my ex-girlfriend 15 years ago she stayed and studied in UCL for 8 years, I have no idea about her class should be counted in London according to that. But my favors and tastes are quite old-school and kind of "jazz-classical era" should I call, a little bit "regular" things in literate styling. I'm not sure how to tell.
just love it this topic
贝克汉姆好像就很想当up class😂
If i may say Susie, it is a lovely loft "flat " 😊😊
OHCH... I LOVE THE CLASSICAL N POP MUSIC...JUST HARD TO USE BACH N THE OTHERS IN THAT.... I TRY TO TENNIS...NOT GOLF, I'M POOR THAT I GET TO RENT IT'S ITEMS IF I HAVE TO...GOLF...NOT FUN TO ME