Getting a Job in Tech | Prime Reacts
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I would just like to underscore 28:58. "you gotta make sure everyone can feel like they have a friend". This is why I love T-prime.
my man :)
That's true. I always try to do that, but rarely feel like people do that for me.
Okay honestly wasn’t having the best day, but man did those first 30secs crack me up!!!😂😂😂
Thank you Prime, really… You’re awesome
Always prefer referrals. If you give a job to a person that you know then that person will be more responsible and motivated. He will try to not let you down.
yep
Wish people were as thoughtful tho, i feel like population is majorly diseased with selfishness and hypocrisy tho.
I am from India btw.
@@ThePrimeTimeagen I'm curious, what % of people get interviewed in YOUR company because of their online presence?
Love your videos
@@monke1172 I think the majority is normal. Normal people don't "stink" and we don't see them. Weird psychos on the contrary are quite noticeable and we tend to judge the entire society by their unacceptable behavior unfortunately...
"Ten years ago there was more Data Structure questions" -- can this be because you were more junior, and that's how most companies test people early in their careers?
exactly, I don't remember any data strucutre questions 10 or 15 or even 20 years ago. That's likely solely for freshly out of university, since what else would you ask them anyway?
This video came at the right time for me.
I was laid off from a job due to them having financial issues, a few months after a relationship/step-parent situation fell apart.
I tried taking care of my widowed Mom for a bit, and as I was looking to get back into work, covid occured, making taking care of my Mom a nightmare, finally focusing back on my life now.
Life happens, and I'm trying to work into leveling back up, and through twitch, and youtube, have seen where my skills could be improved substantially. I really do appreciate your genuine takes and candor.
The thing is, networking and good social skills are essential for referrals. That's a skill and it's something you learn as the years go by so it's very difficult to be good in that aspect when you are fresh out of uni. Unfortunately we are entering an economic cycle where money is expensive and jobs are more difficult to get. It really does suck for juniors...
Imagine jumping on an interview and it’s Prime interviewing you 😂😂
As I primarily use c++, I hope not! /j
Me watching this clip on speaker.
My girlfriend: "Is that Steve Carrell?"
Now I kinda cannot unhear that you do sound kinda like him...
I'm so done! 0:20
Really love the content!
i was just so excited... i couldn't help myself
@@ThePrimeTimeagen That was litterally the laugh I needed for the day, thanks a lot! Keep posting BLAZINGLY FAST content like these!
@@ThePrimeTimeagen This was why I did the video last week. Made me laugh for a little bit, and tried to add to silly tech twitter. Helped out my week!
As someone coming from a career where I could walk into any interview knowing that I’m a top notch asset, to software, where I have no idea where I stand, this whole process horrifies me. Good thing I enjoy challenges, but damn.
Doesn’t help that online presence is something that I have zero practice with.
The opposite is for me. With software engineering, I know I will get tested and it will be clear when I can do the test or not, it is also clear when I can do the technical interview or not, and ultimately even if I don't pass, I know what I lack and should learn next. Interviewing in other career when they don't test you on the other hand is hard, because you can get rejected because of anything. Gray area like this is scary for me because I don't know what I lack, or even whether I can "learn" it on my own.
My trick for remembering names comes from my time learning languages. At some point during the conversation, I'll suddenly remember their name. At that point, I ask them if it's their name. From here conversation becomes a simple flow chart back to the original conversation
Explain the technique and then ask if they remember my name
if yes => mention how they're less likely to forget => return back to topic
if no => joke about how little I matter to them => depending on the person joke one more time before giving my actual name (I sometimes like to joke that it's literally "forgettable" at that point) => return back to topic
The reason it works is because after that recall your brain is soon going to forget, but by saying it aloud and having the person confirm it reassures you that it's correct and reminds you of it. If you go down the joke path, it's even more memorable. What's awesome is that often after this interaction, when you try to recall their name, not only are you usually better, but the person will often let you try to remember. After meeting for the first time, you'll have to meet the person again the next day to solidify it, but this give me a head start
This was a very interesting stream. Constant useful information.
Understand that if you've got 0-3 years experience, you're probably not trying to beat someone with 5-10 years. Why would a senior dev take a junior dev job?
Give it a little bit and they'll have hired all of the people who had a bit of experience and was let go.
Oh damn he’s handsome, what’s his number?
Yea my plan is to focus on getting internships and just making connections so I can get a bunch of referrals, but I'm still going to apply and hope for the best!
Wow, value bombs in this video. Much appreciated!
17:20 I'm one of those who didn't know what NixOS was before now. I don't know if someone wouldn't be hired because they didn't know what NixOS was or because they decided to ask a human what it is instead of a search engine or AI, but I searched it up just now, and now I have it installed on my MacBook. It made learning and using Docker seem super simple. And it might help me clean up my long list of Homebrew packages installed where I've already forgotten why I installed them.
I’m on the other end of the hiring table rn. I interviewed a guy that was “Not a good fit” in terms the skills he brought to the table weren’t the skills we needed.
Homie was a manager/architect guy. We just need a full stack dev on their grindset to build shit out.
The manager architect guy would be a slam dunk for this other product we got cooking, but that’s not the product we’re leaning on right now.
I just need a place that lets me code.... post that link, homie, there are a bunch of us looking.
Interesting start 😂😂😂
i got into it
Whew, the place Theo works at sounds kinda nice. Wish I could find a job where people referred you when you wanted to change roles or collaborated when you created something that helped increase productivity. My last job threatened to fire me cause I spent time writing software to manage their inventory, order picking, and shipments instead of just memorizing everything forever. Then when they got hit with ransomware I was the first one they looked at because I was 'the computer hacker'. Never again lol
Best intro to a prime video ever!😂
8:31 I swear you got me dead, the nonchalance you made that joke and move on 😂
I can really relate to your energy level in these videos
Through out my childhood I didn't have many friends and barely went out with any except for school but after some life-changing problems I had in my life I kind of woke up and after making one true friend it became somewhat easier it's still hard but not as much I now have a few friends because where of I am from I can't really find many people with similar interests and beliefs but I think my few friends are enough
P.s:Sorry for long read completely understandable if you skip
i am a few friend kind of guy
Few friends is the way to go, only because if you have too many it's hard to manage work, family and lots of friends... That's too many people...
Also probably why people lose their minds on twitter trying to make hundreds or thousands happy or impressed with you
@@GurbyTheGreat I agree
I loved this video, watching him go crazy at IMPACT made me spit my tea out.
The problem with "rather waiting 3 month for the right person than waiting 2 weeks and hire somebody who could become the right person", you loose 10 weeks of moderately productive work and on top of that you have to offer the "right person" a lot to stay with you, which not very few companies can afford and every few want to.
didn't expect a Tony Finau quote. Nice
I agree with this statement at 5:22. It's a correction not a crash. A reduction in the rate of growth is still growth.
Theo is now chat.
Man that beatboxing! Hot!
they took er jerbs
Its funny because I'm usually the "not the best/good fit" guy, but I think that is the most important thing on a team.
This is crazy. I have S tier social skills, I can’t believe this is actually a thing for success in this high cog field
The linkedin part might be true but right now I'm so frustrated for not being able to get a job and being rejected hundreds of times that I will do an arguably career suicide by ranting in LinkedIn.
For those who are bad at remembering names: write down their names on a notebook and associate the encounter (how you met them, their obviously characteristic appearance- blond, toothless, black nails). Names are abstraction. Make them concrete.
Getting rejected with "you´re just not a good fit" is really frustrating
yeah, i would really like to see actionable reason
@@ThePrimeTimeagen we don't like you wearing programming socks over your jeans. Happy now?
This is one of the more frustrating things for me as someone interviewing a lot of candidates (well, not so much right _now_). I’ve never been at or interviewed at a company that wasn’t trying to cover their own butt when rejecting
Getting accepted but being "not a good fit" is way worse. Just think about it...
@@vitiok78 i get what you mean, but still, i prefer someone straight up telling me that my code is the spawn of satan
The shift Theo talked about right, but his instinct to point out you don't know what the actual percentages are is very wise
I made the majority of my life long friends doing the advice he said near the end of the video
Came across your channel once last year and didn't really care. Came back to it again a few days ago and just started to enjoy it so much and ended up subscribing. I like your way of being and how funny you are at times. By the way I wanted to ask you, what's your thoughts on GPT4? when chat GPT came out a few months ago it seems a lot of channels were saying "It's ok AI won't take our jobs" and now with GPT4 it feels like that public opinion started to shift and now everyone seems scared. What do you think?
This channel is very cool. Entertaining.
I mean yeah, my previous job who I started as a regular "dev" then I got until CTO managed a team of ~10 people, in a 30+ people company, came from a referral, I did not interview at all, that's the difference, at a bigger company that doesn't happen.
WIth that being said, I was probably the only hire ever to get a job there without interviewed.
The true, is that their is no shortcuts, if you are recommended by someone and you can deliver it will show. It easily said than done, do the work (practice your craft) , learn as much as you can (enjoy it)and focus (drop stuff that don’t help). Surround yourself with people who are interested or support your path in tech
It isn't necessarily realistic to just "surround yourself" with people who support you. It is quite common to be the only one taking a particular path. You have to drive yourself, even if everyone else is giving you mixed messages.
@@msobota4080 what do you mean its not realistic? what I mean like ThePrime mentioned, is that their are communities who are into the sames things and passion isn't enough. its mix of desire and need. so every opportunity to make yourself better will help plus it will help with networking.
@@MrR8686 Sometimes passion is all you've got when you're balancing irl stuff and family on the side, especially early on. Networking is really one of those things you worry about once you've got a solid weight to your words.
Confessing my platonic love for ThePrimeagen!
me a junior looking at this and gpt4 capabilities, I will try to learn how to cook burgers
I really like what you're doing dude, and I think you come from a good place. I'm older than you though, and it's never been like this before... I'm older than you ;)
i am trying to come from a good place, but i am not good myself
The problem with oss community and impact is that they are long term endeavors, which require you to have a lot of faith and patience. You might contribute to OSS and never be noticed. But the real value in these things is they force you to become a truly good developer, whereas the other path actually take away from the time you can spend becoming a developer. So the first path is better for mature applicants who are committed, whereas the second is standard for new grads.
How can you really know that a person fits before they have worked a few weeks? Like, beyond whiteboard troubleshooting and interview focused indicators?
1000 engineers is still a pretty huge company, IMO. But yeah there is no comparison between 1000 and 80000.
amazing
Something now
i know, i know, i'm a madlad
Haha
I just got a job today
Damn. Two years until I complete my CS degree and I’m a bit worried 😅😅
i think you will do fine. degrees produce people that know how things work underneath the hood. which i think makes it much easier to sell yourself as an E4 or you will get there (engineer) quickly
@@ThePrimeTimeagen I know that stuff and I dont have a degree. You just need to be curios and want to learn things. Also degrees only teach you these things really superficially, they dont go deep on any topic.
@@jordixboy Personally I could learn this stuff through self-teaching it, but the degree gives me that structure I benefit most from.
@@Death_Metal_Head Yeah, thats really personal, I can understand both sides!
Good luck. I did one intro course in CS and decided to just learn on my own. its all in books or online but the structure and job placement opportunities will definitely help you out
Hiring the wrong person and giving them months to be determined so, can be much worse than taking the time to hire the right person.
Apparently, as always, it's not what thou brains, It's whomst thee knoweth.
11:47 transfers are significantly cheaper for the company as well, searching, interviewing, and onboarding is a huuuge expense
What confuses my about the tech industry like 1,000 employees at Netflix or 80,000 at Microsoft is...
How do they stay busy, how do they always have a project to work on. What are they doing?
What does an programmer at Netflix do, the platform is released, what do you build next? I understand maintenance but that takes a "skeleton crew"
my friend.... very few work on "maintenance" projects.
if that is what you are doing, you are dying as a company
I'm on a maintenance project right now and it suuucks. I'm hardly learning anything and I do hardly any programming. I'm working on finding a new job but getting a job that matches my goals of building software is difficult
I'm confused by that too.
there's always some stuff to do. New features to work on, new infra to support those features. New open source techs to integrate. Projects that will increase performance/reduce costs/increase dev productivity, etc
Then for companies like Microsoft, Amazon, and Google, these companies have hundreds of products each.
Looking forward for you to cover ChatGPT-4, Prime. I think that 3-years prediction of when AI will take over IT jobs wasn't unrealistic after all. Good thing I'm ahead of the curve when it comes to using my hands fam
using your hands in what field?
@@saucyruben Let's just say it has nothing to do with computers
If Wordpress didn’t make web developers obsolete, GPT-4 isn’t.
Just a bunch of wet blankets buying into AI CEOs telling fairytales like their crypto cousins. Go ahead, make an AI codebase that is compliant with any company worth their salt. It isn’t happening lol.
Chess models can’t even explain their reasoning. There’s no way in hell codebase models will be able to in an unbounded, higher order system like an actual production codebase.
@@parlor3115 czcams.com/video/-e1_QhJ1EhQ/video.html It will probably take longer, but I doubt physical or skilled labor jobs will be the last replaced by AI. Those jobs are probably tied spiritual or other roles people would distrust AI. You really think priests, pastors, and imans will be replace before skilled physical labor? I think the thing that will save you for longer is the cost. Physical bodies for AI are going to be very expensive for a long time.
'good fit' sounds a lot like 'well the real reason we want to fire you is illegal'
Hey Prime what open source project are you contributing in the moment?
Excalidraw
What tool is Theo using for this video visuals? Looks so cool
excalidraw here you go
nice video
It's funny how I am 100% the opposite. Never had a single job from a referral in my 21 years in dev.
real talk, i have never received a job from a referral either in my ~15 years
I feel like referrals are bigger in game dev. But since my first and only job in the field was a referral, I may be biased.
best way to get a job:
insane amounts of free labour
drinking copious amounts of booze at events (sorry i mean networking )
having a job already inside the company
seems like a healthy system that prioritised sustainable growth :)
Theo did a good RCA (root cause analysis) on the situation. Let me know who did a better job.
I lost a job for wearing a button up shirt
honestly I think these numbers are really wrong, maybe it “feels” that way for FANG but there is no shortage of jobs. My company has hired more this year than last year and none of them came internally or through referrals… I think the news just over hyped stuff
What da F IS A GOOD FIT!?!?!?
How do you n Theo make it work since ur both power bottoms??
Got a job at Netflix? remote? don't wanna leave Uruguay... if u want I will learn rust but not gonna use Vim. Great channel btw always very funny.
I'm literally Nate
One take that's changed the way I think is "Your credentials are probably the same as most applicants. Try to highlight what makes you different". Don't listen to me though cos I haven't successfully been hired for a few months now 😅😂
Pls do a video on how to tell if you're the weird kind of weird
Team transfers valuable if a its not initiated by team. Should be initiated by individual who internally announces he wants to be somewhere else.
Colorful rectangles are good and all that, but where are the numbers? From my observations the amount of job vacancies haven't declined THAT much...
I have been struggling so much to be active in ds communities, I have more like 3 amazing ones, but can't keep up with any of them... I guess I just gotta keep trying, wich I admit I haven't really been
Totally real talk to sh!t
Can't believe I just found this side channel. I'd defo not get hired.
Anime babe at 24:01 blink and you miss it.
Well looking internally first does not have to be like a contest or internal fishing. Think about that Google
dude 20 years. At management level you do know if one department is a bit heavy loaded, and could use some
weight lift. If you have another department in opposite situation... well you can do the math. This save significant time in training, getting into the company DNA, and you, well don't have to be an ass kick a 20 year old employee for no reasons
That being said - sometimes you need fresh blood, and new perspective, and wanna look outside the company. It just depends on the situation imo
How can someone find a job in usa from asia
I need answers. Can a lights out engineer be terrible at DSA?
Yes a lights outs engineer can be bad at data structure and algorithms, but a terrible engineer can’t be good at data structure and algorithms.
If good at data structure and algorithms then you are probably a decent engineer
@@moneymaker7307 Interesting. Currently stuck between going down the building apps with different technologies to improve mastery and leetcoding till I vomit
@@OfoeNelson If I am you, I will spend my time grinding leetcode, studying systems design and OOP
Building a react app tell me nothing about u as engineers other than you know how to interact with the react library api.
If you have good understanding of OOP,
Working with most libraries will be trivial.
If you have good understanding of data structure and algorithms, then writing basic logic will be trivial.
If you have good good understanding of system design, then working with a cloud provider will be trivial.
@@moneymaker7307 Prime also said data structures and algorithms and leetcode are not the same thing. Which left me even more confused
@@OfoeNelson they are one in the same.
It is not common to ask people write a red/black tree in an interview this day but when solving a leetcode type question in an interview you are expected to explain why you pick a certain data structure over others.
There is no way you can solve most leetcode problems if you don’t understand many popular algorithms and have great understanding of data structure.
The reason why most algorithms textbooks start with sorting is that, if you understand sorting and the intuition wish is use to come up with most sorting problems, then you are on your way to solving quite a lot of leetcode problems.
i guess, i am your friend
"Finding a good community" I can't emphasize how true this is. A good social community will amplify your social IQ through the roof!
7:40 1-2,000 engineers... nah not that big lmao.... our company does over a billion a year and we have less than 10
Why the hell you sometimes look like Michael Scott from The Office
Ugh gross... (2:00 - 2:29) I've seen this *too often* in academia as well. The phrase "good fit" is essentially how companies get away with practicing discrimination when the remaining candidates are still considered "qualified" after interviews are done. At that point, there's often no objective way to say who will prove themselves to be "best" for the job, so people begin using motivated reasoning and specious rationalization to justify their biases, preferences, and peeves in the hiring decision. It's just icky to be on the hiring side when there are no "lights out" candidates.
....huh? You're basically picking a new friend, of course it's very discriminatory ....
I’m Black American and I get this a lot. I even passed the initial tech round a few times and got rejected
@@mjohnson510 ¨Sure, everything is about your race :D. Is there something else that black people think about other than playing a victim?
I find it really hard to listen to Theo.
Why you comparing google and Netflix 😂
dude if you want a job go watch primegin cuz god is he mature as hel
stop it
stop what exactly?
the jobs?
@@ThePrimeTimeagen to smell the flowers duh
**comment not related to video** After a lot of research I have come to conclusion that Rust is going to be the next big thing in software industry. I'm currently a full stack developer and have knowledge of low level code only from compiler design classes I took in my Major. Can anyone guide my how to get started with Rust and low-level programming?
A company hiring the perfect fit, never works in the long term. Your prefect fit may not be able to adapt to new coding tools in a year or so.
Internal transfers, promotions especially, can decrease the level of competence. It is the last desperate thing to do. You're taking a competent person and making him incompetent at a new position, hopefully temporary... And making a hole at the previous place. It is double trouble.
You get thumbs up not for your views but for an interesting clip. Here are my two problems with it - there are more but I chose these two.
white male is not a good fit these days. The corp. I work for now was requiring HQ to approve any new hire that was not diverse at least for a decade now. The definitions of diverse change over time but diverse never meant white male. You could be hired but your boss had to show that there was no more diverse candidate than you. How is this good I do not know. Just complicated but sometimes you get the HR to deselect you for these reasons.
As for a real perfect fit - that is silly as there is no such a thing. You always have to adjust. I was consulting for decades in one big corp. 3months here, 2y there. There was always ädjust to project and team" time which in my practice was at least 3monts to be fully operational and effective. So you spend months on your quest to find a perfect fit you just spend time. The result will not be better really. You may convince yourself you are right about this or that strategy - that always works.
Perhaps the thing you can’t say, but I’ve seen quite a few people hired for “diversity” reasons who are questionably capable.
So I have Never build a linked list or so because I use js and rust. Do you just go and just impl some datastructure? I mean noone would understand what you do.
pleaasse someone give me a working discord invite linkk!!!!!!!!!
edit :- solved it. open the invite link in discord and not in browser. smh.
discord.gg/theprimeagen