The Existence Of The Star Child - 40K Theories
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- Is there any truth to possibility that a godly being formed from the belief in The Emperor’s divinity, such as the mythical Star Child, could indeed exist?
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You forgot 2 recent points :
-the vision of Eisenhorn in Magos. A vision of a man with 18 man and one girls.
-the second is the mysterious saint in plague war, a saint named anathem by a demon.
In regards to Plague War I only managed to read that after I had done this video xD
I say that just for complete your excelent vidéo Inquisitor Remleiz.
The ''Anathema'' refers to the Emperor. That's how the Daemons call him, and in Plague Wars, the Living Saint is controlled by the Emperor himself, hence why they call her the ''Anathema'' because they can sense the Emperor within her.
Celestine for exemple was never called like this.
@@quelric3297 Celestine story is far different, she had powers granted to her by the Emperor, while the girl in Plague Wars is a host to the Emperor's spirit, that's the difference.
Also, Celestine died in combat but if she hadn't, she would've been immortal.
The Living Saint in Plague Wars is slowly dieing because of the immensity of the Emperor's spirit within her, she's basically possessed by the Emperor, instead of empowered like Celestine was.
Rewind 2018: "I sleep."
New 40k theories video: "REAL SH!T?"
I think you missed out an important point. The Living Saints, the Sanginor and the Legion of the Damned have all been speculated to be daemons, for lack of a better term.
What if they are Daemons of the Star Child, much like a Bloodthirster is a daemon to Khorne.
Actually, the Legion of the Damned are supposedly created from a Chaos plague. The serve the Emperor because they remember their duty as Astartes, not because they are true daemons.
I agree with you, im pretty sure they are just examples of the chaos version of big E Sigmaring himself a new army out of those he deems worthy.
Robert, during the Fall of Cadia, the Legion of the Damned faded from existence along with Celestine's power when the Necron pylons were reactivated and began suppressing the Eye of Terror along with all other Warp phenomena. This can leave no doubt that the Legion's creed would be "Even in death, duty does not end."
@@jpray87 by Ulrich !
And every soul that dies in defense of the MANKIND is joined to The good of hope & righteousness!?
Who in the Imperium will raise him? Gulliman : "No, Star Child - you must eat your Wheaties 1,000 at a time..."
The job would go to Kitten, blatantly
@@40KTheories No, Lord Adorable will do it. Then Boy and the Star Child will be siblings. Besides, Kitten's busy playing straight man to Magnus the Crotalid wrestler.
@@40KTheories czcams.com/video/Tp-YuLjAiK0/video.html
The Space Corgis.
Kitten is the savior of humanity and the Imperium. Not only has he helped bring the Emperor back into direct communication with His Imperium, but he defeated the Chaos God of fate, plots, and bullshit at his own demonic game.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think that the Emperor IS humanity.
He embodies our greatest successes and characteristics, along with our struggles and, one could possibly say, our flaws. One's goodness shines brighter when compared to one's sins. It shines brighter when compared to darkness than other lights. And that to me is the Emperor.
Yes, 40K is a work of fiction, but it is beautiful and thought provoking.
The more I read the novels, the more I am convinced that the universe is speaking through the writers and leaking reflective details of what is in actuality going on in reality. There is so much historical and esoteric knowledge incorporated into these works that it is almost impossible to ignore it. If you know anything about esoterica you know that it has a way of signaling its presence by "coincidence" or synchronicity.
The More i learn about this universe the more I'm fascinated with the lore the horror and the War
@@gringofett3944
You're absolutely right. Like most considerably fleshed out settings, it's based on real life facts, people, and places.
@@isaiahkayode6526
You're right as well. Since the 40k setting is so vast and deep, there's almost always gonna be something for any person's tastes within it.
The more I read about the Emperor, the more I think he is a bastard... XD
Since 40K draws so much from Catholicism, I will propose this:
There is what is left of the Emperor, in his throne.
There is the Star Child, which is the humanity that the Emperor expelled from himself in order to destroy Horus.
Then there is the manifestation of the *idea* of him, from countless humans believing in him.
The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost.
You're planets local adeptus soritas and inquisitor they are attached to will be speaking with you shortly.
sounds like dropping your human-self, your human-ego -loosing your place in this world, for the sake of power.
@@ClarinetInThePark you have it worse, my friend.
“You’re” grammar teacher will have a word with you.
@@ClarinetInThePark I'm contacting the Blood Raven Librarians to teach you a thing or two about English!
@@erikho6936 lol
Does this mean, that before the emps removed his love and affection, he actually loved the primarchs, so what Guilliman stared upon was really a emotionless husk, not the father that loved him? If this theory was real
The Emperor must have „loved“ them, I always felt it was wrong that they changed him from viewing the Primarchs as Sons to viewing them as Tools, because if he view them as tools it would make no sense that he hesitated to kill Horus.
@@Swiss_femboy the Emperor hesitated to bring his full on battle to his son Horus, but saw the slain son Sanguinius (hallowed be his name) and ripped his emotions from himself to psyker kill Horus. I believe the star child is that bit of the Emperor to make him whole once more.
@@user-yq3fz9ch5q Newbie to the lore, so this may be obvious, but: Would that mean conceivably, if you could somehow drag the Starchild out of the Warp and reunite it with the Emperor on the throne, he would be "complete" enough to actually start recovering from his injuries instead of being kept barely alive by the Golden Throne, instead of needing the Emperor to die to fully empower the Starchild's apotheosis?
@@Swiss_femboy Couldn't it be a case of both? He mostly saw the Primarchs as tools, but also felt affection and even love for some or all of them to varying degrees. And he seems to have some affection for humanity, too, but also contempt for and lack of understanding of much of what actually *makes* us human. Like our emotions.
Noob here. Is the "Emperor removing part of his humanity" schtick canon?
I am convinced that there is some kind of warp god of the emperor. Be it the actual emperor, the star child, or a gerstalt of the beliefs of the imperium.
Because the chaos gods get a second hand kind of devotion, for example, most people who fight do not do it for khorne. The emperor however gets devotion shot straight into its bloodstream
well, it would be more cartilage than blood.
Good old 'gerstalt'.
@The God Emperor fucking Lorgar was right all along
Nice!
The God Emperor your CZcams account is heresy...
Oh, the joys of being subscribed to someone in Britain. Bedtime stories from across the pond.
@DefiantBoris That sounds like a very unlikely scenario.
@DefiantBoris They do fear the day myths walk the land once more.
@DefiantBoris First of all that happend in Britain which we all know is quite special when it comes to law. Secondly Britain ain't the EU so your example does not have any relenvance. And they didn't ban the speech. They arrested a guy that shouted it at pedestrian which reported him....so please learn to read.
Fasta boy like dis storee
Gud job Hoomans!!11!!
Oh, the joys of being subscribed to like thirty people from America (and being from Germany). Excuses to stay up at night from across the pond.
So, the emperor removed all kindness and good from his heart. That explained why he was a ass to Papa smurf. But the “Goodness” in him has started to help the Imperium through Miracles and Saints. Throne on Earth, that’s a lot of problems to fix.
The God resides on earth on his cold golden Throne,
The man resides in heaven within the warmth of human compassion.
See what they do alone.
Imagine what they'd be united.
Khorne: Oh, it's you, big E.
(Makes a place for him to sit.)
Tzeentch: Take a sit, fellow Chaos God.
(Emperor sits.)
Emperor: So, what are we playing tonight?
Nurgle: Risk.
Then he cuts them all down as he’s a god of order
Did they ban Slaanesh for [CENSORED] and [CENSORED] having a [CENSORED] going [CENSORED] [CENSORED] [CENSORED]?
Whatever happened to Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker?
@@zeronikku3549
Tzeencth kept cheating after he lost to Kitten so they found a new game to play
@@zeronikku3549 That is on Tuesdays.
MAN Emperor of Mankind!
ALL HAIL THE MAN-EMPEROR OF MANKIND!!!
Yey
Adil Zia AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Heresy all of this is heresy!
Darth Vader AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I think the Emperor doesn't really want this apotheosis- after all, he's proclaimed repeatedly that he's not a god and even told Lorgar he didn't approve of the Lectitio Divinitatus that has served as the basis for the Imperial cult ever since the end of the Horus Heresy. But if it does come to Emps carking it and what's left of him merging with the Starchild, then yes he might not be too keen on the apotheosis, but things rarely go the way anyone wants them to in 40k. The Emperor might not become a Chaos God, though, but all the deities left over after Slaanesh came along are all playing their own games and he could get caught up in them, sadly enough, if he doesn't outplay them first.
...hang on, that's the Inquisition knocking.
ClockworkFreya Nobody expects the Imperial Inquisition!!!!! Our two weapons are fear and surprise!!! Fear and surprise and a fanatical devotion to the emperor, three things!!!!
I think, you speak of heresies by insinuating that they are gods. Nothing more than entities to be slayed for the glory of the Imperium.
maybe in 10 thousang years he decided to take that apotheosis . .
ClockworkFreya Man, he’s gonna beat the hell out of Lorgar once all is said and done. That public humiliation at his greatest city is going to look like a gentle swipe on the hands after he’s done with him right here.
Choir boy better hide his buttcheeks, cause that ass whopping gon’ be biblical.
I think he didn't want it initially, but has since realized that his ascendacy is now the best possible route left to achieve his goal. Which is probably why he's quite happy about Guilliman being back.
16:22 My understanding was that this was Guilliman speaking to him. Hence the “I was once, almost, for my sins”, referring to him nearly being declared emperor during the imperium secundus.
The figure asking him if his duty was ended was essentially Guilliman seeing if he was suitable for internment in the dreadnought casket - Guilliman not being the type of commander to do such a thing without first assessing the candidate.
An interesting counterpoint, I will admit ^^
Though it doesn't quite explain the aura of golden light and angelic choirs, but yes it is admittedly feasible :)
40K Theories Good point, think I had glossed over the choir and halo rather than stopping to think through the possible implications. It is interesting to think about in context of the fact that Primarch are described as having a nearly oppressive presence (take the clone of Fulgrim, for example), like the Emperor, but on a lower magnitude.
With the fact that the warp was almost certainly used by the Emperor in the Primarch project, maybe both could be true?
As much as he would hate the idea, maybe Guilliman can be used as a psychic channel by the Emperor/star child?
Anyway, thanks for the video, top-notch as always!
I was thinking the same thing.
40K Theories that could be a hallucination, considering that Cassian was mortally wounded and had probably lost considerable amounts of blood.
The aura of light could be : psychic light emanating from papa smurf or the light of a medical table.
As for the choirs: space marines, especially cult members, often cosider themselves as paladins... It wouldn't be odd if theyd had choirs sing in the background of an operating room of wounded space marines..
"Once, almost for my sins."
That sent chills up my spine. I am convinsed with that phrasing that that was Horus. The only man to ever be "almost" emperor.
What if thay psychic blast did not destroy Horus but PURIFIED him? God emperor the irony if he returns and Saves humanity from chaos. 😀
Bruh that would be the ultimate plot twist, that it was actually a purified Horus all along
John O'Hara seen some similar stuff elsewhere in here. Someone suggested that the part of the emperor that was expelled during the fight merged with the partially purified soul of Horus.
Timecircle Blue honestly that’d be a really awesome thing to be canon
@@TimeCircleBlue jaded Rowboat vs redeemed Horus. i'd watch that fight.
That would be such a good twist, the psychic blast the Emperor sent to Horus was his own purity and kindness so that his son may save himself (and maybe others) in the warp....
Dear 40K Theories,
I was inspired by you to try and make my own theories about the star child and other things; however, the Inquisition did not look favorably upon me. I now reside in a cell awaiting execution for Heresy, thanks a lot.
hmmm where did you traitor hide the cogitator
edit in his cyberdong.......
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Don't vvorry about being executed , I've got it on good authority they're only gonna turn you into a servitor vvith a cushy job of pre-lubing cyberdongs .
"Only in death does duty end."
Never gets old, that's the right answer lieutenant.
You should collaborate with Oculus Imperia. The Emperor would smile favorably upon you both.
This made one of the 'if the emperor had text to speech' episodes more sense
fuck yes! the battle for the gate of khaine has been the best episode of that series for me since the first time i saw it, and after this video it makes even more sense.
Then I'd like to know why was Karamazov of all people a perfect host for the Star Child. Opposites attract?
@@TheSynthPunk he's already lacks the emotions that make up the starchild. So there won't be any competition in his mind between his own emotions and the Star Child
@@michaelcarman9820 Yeah, he's basically the Throne Emperor without the intelligence or sense of humor.
Can the starchild be entirely contained in a body made out of cyberdongs?
So long as the body's head is made from a servo skull the cyberdongs vvould indeed contain the Starchilds essence & if not he'll probably just possess kitten .
There are no memes like TTS memes.
Sly Marbo is THE TTS meme.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!
@@angelusumbra5741 Is Sly Marbo the Starchild?
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
No
The Star Child is the Fyodperor, duh.
It's clearly Dominique :P
@@40KTheories No, he's a dove now.
@@gabrielaubry1334 a STAR dove!
And the fact that I got a reply... I love Remleiz. He's a warhammer nerd, and I envy that. Subbed.
Blessed be Dominique, and i hope he finally got his sandpaper cigarettes.
I always thought the vision in Crusade was Guilliman asking the Lieutenant if he wished to die or continue as a dreadnought. The answer he gave " Once almost for my sins" could be referencing the events of imperium secundus or the aftermath of the heresy. That was my interpretation at least but it has been a hot minute since I read it.
Hans Madsen I agree, especially as when he meets Guilliman after his internment, Guilliman is already very familiar with him.
The Imperium has worshipped the emperor for millennium and given how the warp reacts to worship the star child most likely exists as a minor chaos god slowly gaining power. Well the inquisition has found me.
@Woogoo Gaming you would have to bring army if you want to kill me inquisitor
I wonder if gulliman is gonna run into the star child?
Girleymann vvill probably get bitch slapped by the Starchild for handing back an empire thats split in 2 . Definately NOT hovv the Big E left it 10k yrs ago .
Emps would realize it’s his damn fault and thank roboute for doing his best
@@logandelaharpe6362 he would bitch slap him for splitting up the imperium's forces like the last imperium butter on a galactic loaf of bread.
I often thought about this idea if the Star Child is all of the emperor's love, and then speaks to Guilliman then this would probably make Guilli believe in his father ones more maybe even as a god
“Once. Almost, for my sins.”
He was the emperor once. For his sins, he is paying for them by being in pain as a corpse, not really complete as the emperor, but he will soon die and be reborn. Hence the “almost” he revealed, meaning he will soon become the emperor once again.
I'm curious of what will happen when the book series gets to that point. It seems a bit odd now the idea that the Emperor was too attached to Horus. Like a parent, when the books show that the Emperor doesn't actually think of the Primarchs as children but as tools.
TearDownGenesis I think it was just an excuse to cover up the Emperor being weaker than Exalted Horus. Or the Emperor could have had a crisis of conscience at the worst of moments. After all, he did raise Horus, unlike his other sons.
@Zach cash I believe the part I'm thinking of was how he viewed Girlyman
Or there's the get-out-of-jail-free claim that "All Black Library works are of questionable canonicity", meaning the Emperor could be a doting dad or just an Oscar-worthy puppet-master.
Old Golden Bollocks told that Tech Priest who was assisting him on operating on Angron back in Master of Mankind that he just saw the Primarchs as tools.
However, that was what he said. The Emperor lied.
Add to that, that Arkhan Land himself expected this answer from the Emperor since he deemed him the Omnissiah, and Emp needed the rest of the Mechanicum to play along.
I love how all the lore and history of the Warhammer 40k universe is so vast but also intentionally ambiguous. It just keeps growing as new officially recognized contributors add to it. We may never meet aliens or explore the galaxy. But our minds have created a universe far greater than reality could ever live up too.
Better hope you’re right. Maybe we believe this is terra but it’s not and we all live in 40k right now.
I was waiting for another video on the “Chaos god of the Imperium.” :D super happy to see it great work again you terrifying Dino Tech Priest.
Edit I squealed again and lost my manly voice when I saw that heart!!
if you do not see a tech priest in him then you must be blind
Axton Dragunov Well, he kinda looks more like a guy with armour and a robe than a dude sporting metal appendages.
@@Tacoguy1000 he has cyberdongs
This is interesting ... if its true about the expelling of those warmer parts ... it would reconcile the issues a lot of people have with Guilliman descriptions of the Emperor in the newer books .... claiming that they are changing Big E ... as he did care and love his sons ..... but with this that can be true as well as Guillimans descriptions as the Emperor before being shattered did care and love his sons but did not let if it prevent him from doing what he thought was necessary until his confrontation with Horus .... but what remains on the Golden Throne only has the devotion, duty, ambition, drive etc. of the Emperor .. what you would call not necessarily negative but colder aspects of his personality ...
5:05 could you imagine a single ork saved the imperial if it’s true about dying and becoming a god
Then holy shit
“Da boyz in green ‘ar da best”
I was there. It was Olinius
Harkon Maskaluk it’s in the washer
Wasn't it Olinius first, then the Astartes Terminator decided to be a glory hog, and then -you- someone dared the other Custodes to do it too?
VestedUTuber SHHHUT IT
HAHAHA!
I love how so many of us reference and acknowledge TTS as canon.
@@angelusumbra5741
Well, commonly accepted fanon, anyway. It wouldn't be canon unless GW said it was, and as awesome as it is it's a bit too nobledark for modern day GW, which decided to drive 40K (well, most of it, anyway) into Grimderp territory lately. It would definitely fit in with earlier editions of 40k, though.
THAT ENDING SPECULATION IS
H E R E S Y ! ! !
Well done putting commercials at the ends!!!! This makes your work exceptional !!!!! Thank you!!!!
It was said before but that golden figure is clearly Guilliman. The quote "Once, almost, for my sins," is clearly a reference to Imperium Secondus, because even during the HH Guilliman was troubled by his plan and at times considered his idea even worse then what Horus was doing.
Chaos baby Jesus
The important question raised by this episode is "Does the nascent Greater Good God have a bitching moustache and designs on Finland?"
I'm totally giving my Ethereal a Stalinesque mustache because of this comment lol
@@bosschono5610 Can Tau even grow facial hair? Or any hair except for a bit at the top of their heads?
What is that picture at 4:52 from? Looks highly heretical.
Heresy?!
(Arms bolter)
HERESY?!
PURGE THE HERETICS!!!
@Woogoo Gaming *CYCLONIC BOMBARDMENT COMMENCING, BROTHER*
Rain down the Emperors wrath!
*picks up chainaxe*
Love your videos! Keep them coming, mate 👍
look I think we all know that all the terminator and custodes stood in front of horus after they saw the previous guy do the same in an effort to out do him.
id like to point out a mind blown: the entity the primaris spoke too in death said "once; nearly; foolishly" the emperor didnt foolishly plan anything, and he was the emperor not trying to become one. so plot twist boys n girls. that is horus. horus born anew by his fathers love, a different horus, a new one more powerful then his father before him. who has spent an entire age of men within the ether likely cradled in his fathers spirit merging with it and becoming something new entirely.
this merging is why he also says once. the emperor is part of him, but only in so far. and that this entity will come to the land of the living and destroy lorgar as he tries to corrupt the imperiums faith in order to establish a new church. the emperor makes no mistakes, he wanted horus warmaster, he wanted him his successor not another one of his brothers.
so the emperor decided to give his favorite son a second chance. this time by actually being a father?
I would like to believe that the emperor “loving” side is still alive out there making plans to reunite with the vessel
god the emperor bits are so fascinating
thank you for this
btw I like the voice actress
I love the good quality of your videos
I have to disagree with your final point with the primaris lieutenant. I'm pretty sure that it was supposed to be Robute gulliman
Been waiting for this one! :D
This would explain the cold way he addressed roberto gulliman by calling him a weapon. He kindness has been purged from his body but, about the legion that dwells in his body?
This theory is also in line with how the nature of the Emperor on the golden throne is experienced by Roboute Guilliman in the book Dark Imperium as being cold and distant because the part of his soul that was merciful and kind was cast out to defeat Horus, which became the Star Child.
Hold the press... I am coming... Just need to finish off something.
Ok what about me
@@themachinegodomnissiah2146 I'll come back for you... :D
@@StarFyodperor ok
ILLUMINATI!!!!!!!
Edit: I love how there is art of an Ork dethroning the Emperor.
Robert Nelson " 10,000 years dungeon !"
Yet the picture doesn't show all the orks dying horribly from bring sucked into the warp from the emperor being removed from the throne. XD
@@Makorze The WAAAGGGHHH protects them.
@Robert Nelson it probably won't. Tho I can imagine the orks trying to put him back on the throne to "try in fix that sparkully chair thingy" only to make more of a mess of things XD
Really good video. I enjoy a lot.
Is this a Berserk Reference,
Oh no the Emporer has summoned the God Hand
I love the narration at the end about the dream Casien had. That narrator is fantastic
nice..... but most importantly Magnus did nothing wrong
Yes Magnus did nothing wrong. It was all logars fault
Ahzek Ahriman Lorgar did nothing wrong! Istvaan/Isstvan/Isstvaan* was an inside job!
*i have no clue how it's spelled.
@@lioneljonson8556 yea....is it emperor's fault :)
Logar told the furry boys to distory my legion so everything is his fault
@@goby281 this Heresy gave me gases.
What if 40k theories was the star child 🤔
He would be reborn as the Emperor made entirely out of cyberdongs
Great story master, really nice to understand your deep views on the matter. (Turns away, vox in inquisitor primus, “alpha exterminatius 9427, commence”) - teleports.
Thanks for another great video!
I'm curious what anyone thinks about the possibility that the fetal positioned humanoid (11:40) is a depiction of a primarch (horus) being cast into space after having been snatched away from the emperor...Especially if the missing tablet portion depicts not just fire or the aquila but infact an aquila that is on fire #LetTheGalaxyBurn. Especially if the tablet depicts the possible/ alternate future foretold by "the Cabal", wherein humanity burns out along with chaos. Especially if the tablet reads chronologically from bottom-to-top.
I believe the Star Child is, in fact, the compassionate shard of the Emperor and is coalescing in the Immaterium to become the true God-Emperor thanks to the adoring masses of the faithful. Simultaneously the Tau God of the Greater Good is forming, while surviving Eldar deities await the maturity of these newborn deities. The outcome, I believe, will result in a pantheon of Light and Order directly opposing the lords of Chaos and Darkness. Hopefully this will herald the dawn of a new age of GW leadership that recognizes that their products are too expensive and their codices need to be combined under broader categories like Forces of the Imperium, and Forces of Chaos. I know...never going to happen :(
I think the 'child surrounded by star light' was a reference to the Emperor being born. Old ones at the bottom, creating their races, then come the Necrons, it's not until around 8,000bc did Emps swing on to the scene.
Last time I checked. Fyodor was the host body of the Star Child and was on his way to the realm of the Dark Elder.
Yes
Really good video. Thanks
Really enjoying this series.
40K ''due to the fact'' Theories
Hey, Here's an idea- are Ynnead and the star child linked in some way, like say that they are one and the same or that the eldar god of the dead is actually using the starchild as a sort of foundation to come into existence?
Your elaboration is downright beautifully crafted, my good sir! I can only hope that this is theoey is proven correct in the long run!
That the Emperor held back against Horus has always been one of my strongest arguments against what Guilliman experienced when he came back, the argument being that after 10.000 years of suffering and seeing his dreams die he just wasn't ready to exude feelings of fatherly love, even if he felt them deep down. Then someone made the argument that if it truly is Ollanius Pius that dies, maybe the emperor had kind of given up this reality (refering to "the emperor being a multiverse-being and each reality is an experiment to find the right way"-theory) and half arsing it through the fight, but when he saw the perpetual Pius die he realized that Horus could give him a "real" death and that why he went all out to win.
Now I'm even more disillusioned, but it fits the grimdark too well to not make sense.
Well, if the "star child" does become another chaos god, then I'd be more than happy to join Malal in his quest to destroy every other chaos god.
My question is if the chaos are so powerful how have they not already won, where are the gods of order that protected and shielded the universe?
David Schmidt
because they are no unified. They fight each other as much as they fight mankind.
They *can't* 'win.' Not in the sense of pulling all of the materium into the rift or turning all sentient life into meat puppets or whatever seems like the current goal. Without thoughts and emotions generated in the materium, Chaos would starve. What Chaos *can* do, though, is keep the materium unbalanced and full of the yummiest emotions. Which they're succeeding at just fine.
So THAT is why the Emperor isn't quite so... empathetic once he got his text-to-speech device
FOR THE STAR-FYODPEROR!
I like to believe that the old ones, the chaos gods and the Emperor are the in-game manifestations of GW. So, in a sense, creatures in wh40k interacting with those beings were interacting with their creators and thus breaking the fourth wall.
3:04 and there is the answer as to why he treated Guilliman so coldly upon his return in the latest novels.
Long live the star child
Very good ... i love it .... i watch it twice !!!!!!!
You forgot the possibility that age of Sigmar has become bound to the 41st millenium's universe and is in fact within the warp now.
:Question: Is it possible that if the star child indeed had many religious aspects to it like the angelic choir, is it possible that big E's compassion was like the germ that the religious energies were attracted to? A mote of dust that attracts water in the air and eventually forms a cloud?
Going off an earlier video about Logar and the Cult of the Emperor, I believe the Star Child is Logar atempting to acheive apothosis to become a God to take out his anger on the Gods of Chaos who twisted him into giving them his brothers and destroying the very thing he loved and worshiped, ie his father, Most of this is due to way people in the books discribe seeing the Emperor in visions, the angelic forms and stronger emotions would be more characteristic of Logar rather than the Emperor as he never saw himself as a god or wanted to be considered one. So in my opinion if this image was the emperor then it would have less pomp and realism. Again if anyone has more to add please do i have not had a chance to read all the material i would need to make more informed theroy.
I dont know if the gravitas and significance of the duel between The Emperor and Horus could be realized in film or animation media. The head cannon will always be better in my head. It is so ridiculously epic and such a defining moment in the 40k universe.
Makes me think of the yin-yang symbol. The white side representing the materium plane, abiding by the laws of physics. And the Black side represented by the immaterium frothing with chaotic raw potential. But in the center of the white there is a black dot, perhaps reflecting the eye of terror & great rift. Likewise the star child could be the white dot in the center of the immaterium. It would be ironic if both sides invested enough into their respective dots that the result would be a switch of domains and usher in an entirely new paradigm.
Does anyone know the song used in the beginning? After the intro.
nice lore as always...
The Star Child turns out to be Emps' shard of compassion and he possessed Fyodor as his new host.
I misheard you and my brain started trying to figure out what the art style "warp spawn deco" would look like.
Casian likely saw Robute Gulliman. He tried to play Emperor which matches the statement of the figure
Where is the warp entity of hope and redemption, aspects of these I would assume be shone threw many chapters and humans and even eldar
Could this also explain the emperor receiving guilliman as a lost tool. Not a lost son?
I remember a Necron leader once talking about a "dark seed in the east". The image of the human fetus on the broken tablet you talked about may refer to the very concept of this "dark seed". Considering that Earth is located in the galactic east it would seem to me that Humanity may be that "dark seed" that he referred to. Seeing as humanity has wrought utter havok upon the children of the old ones, the Aeldari, orks and various other xenos, humanity has unwittingly performed on the old ones xenos exactly what the necrons wanted, Vengeance. We unwittingly weakened them for the necrons and all they're doing now is a mop up. On the tablet the human fetus is located behind and above the necron image as if the human image is something that would come after and/or from the necrons. It can be concluded that the necrons are the ones to have planted the seed of humanity. Look at ancient human architecture being so similar to necrontyr architecture, human words like pharaoh being similar to to phaerons of the necrontyr ruling council, the way that necron heads are shaped so similarly to human ones, the similarity of human occult symbols to necron symbols, our psycholgical tendency to be very morbid and warlike, our predisposition to be worshipers of death and our internalized fear of it and lastly our constant search for some way to become immortal. These were all traits of the necrontyr before their biotransference. Humans have these very same traits. It can be rationalized that the necrontyr could be a distant ancestor or they may have visited Earth and passed their ways on to us. Considering that they took their sleep almost 65 million years ago they may have been responsible for the very extinction of the dinosaurs in order to make way for us to evolve and become what they could not, the destroyers of the old ones children and the rulers of the galaxy. But something must have went wrong the humanity that is now isn't what they expected or maybe the plan all along was to sow chaos, havoc and destruction. I've heard the theory that the Tau are the children of the necrons but it seems like they took too long to evolve into what they are compared to humans. I know it seems like I'm speaking heresy but I'm just positing a theory based on evidence of visible parallels between humans and necrontyr.
TLDR: this is a thoery that humans are children of the necrons and the star child image on the tablet is just their "Dark seed in the east".
So if the emperor were to recover from his current state without reforming with the star child and the star child were to become what would be more or less the imperiums second deity and emperor and with how they are technically the same entity still linked but but also independent from each other would that also make them like gork and mork but without the eternally fighting each other
I think that the Emperor's staunch opposition to any kind of religious cult around worshipping him might have had the main purpose to prevent the forming of exactly such an entity in the Warp. Such an entity might probably be completely autonomous from the Emperor and might wield considerable power, creating one problem more for the Emperor to manage. Complete and automatic alignment with the Emperor's goals and wishes would not be a given.
On the other hand, the thought is intriguing that in his present state the Emperor might even welcome the forming of such an independent entity because it might somehow allow him to return from his present state, for example by usurping the entity's powers in the Warp and ascending to a new level of might. That way, somewhat ironically, the billions and trillions of people worshipping the Emperor for 10 millennia against his wishes might still have contributed something worthwhile to his great plan.
What if the starchild on the tablet refers to the death and rebirth of the emperor (he is a perpetual). And thus heralding in the new age of mankind.
The starchild theory is explained in full in the inquisitor trilogy by Ian Watson and is old canon, which was retconned for the most part ever since. Give it a read
I think I just found something for my homebrew successor chapter to believe in.
Does the blast of emotion the Emperor use against Horus explain the later scene where Guilliman goes to the Eternal Throne and gets the impression that the Emperor never really cared for his sons? That they were instead only tools?
0:35 GLORIOUS.
It exists that's for sure. It would also explain the living saints and the legion of the damned behaving like warp entities but for the sake of humanity
"She who THIRSTS " :) We all know what that means and its no wonder Slaanesh was murderf$#ked into exisatance : )
If I remember correctly the imperial saints started emerging after the emperors fight with Horus. It’s possible he really is a deity now but at the moment a minor one due to his soul not being complete but empowered by the beliefs of humanity over time. My question though is this: Do you think that’s why Leman Russ had his vision and took off into the warp? Supposedly visions can be granted by warp entities. Maybe the emperor wants to restore his physical form to have a perfect vessel for real space? If he is a warp deity he can’t return to real space anymore unless he can have a vessel to contain him.
One thing to add to the exodite stone tablet is that below the possible star child is a mysterious character wielding a staff ofcourse what that depicts a human? Xenos? Who knows but that mysterious depicted character might play a role in the coming of the starchild
I think the "simple solder" was an agent of Chaos, whose purpose was to make sure Horus lost. Even if he was an actual space marine. The only reason he made it to the bridge was to ensure the outcome by "inspiring" the emperor, he was a pawn of Chaos.
So Tulpa Effect (extreme belief making it physically real) meets the Collective Subconscious (Immaterium, given the explanation by Magnus). Could this mean that Emps will ascend to full Godhood and Guilliman will be crowned Emperor? It would be insteresting to see how it would unfold in the large scheme of the galaxy.
That would be great, leave the emps to the warp fuckery and guilliman will build a real empire show EoM how its done
The stuff about the emperor not wanting to go all out due to compassion, or lamenting the lossmof sanguinious is interesting, but we've repeatedly seen that the emperor only thinks of the primarchs as tools, not sons. It'll be interesting to see how the books will handle this stuff