Why are 3D CNC Router Carvings So Expensive?!!
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- I get this question a lot! Hopefully this video helps folks understand the time investment, as well as materials and energy, that brings some of the items we make to life!
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You don’t pay a carpenter to use a hammer, you pay the carpenter to know how to use the hammer.
well said
Better still, a screwdriver.
What you think you are worth because of your knowledge is not necessarily what you are really worth.
@@neotroncs awesome said
Actually, if the carpenter doesn't ever use the tools he knows how to use, he earns no money and builds nothing. It is not knowledge alone, then, that is of value but the actual work of building also.
I'm a machinist turned fabricator and I think every skilled profession suffers from the same thing, people see a little of what you do but have no clue about what it really takes to get something done or the time involved in doing it. They see a snapshot of someone working and often they make it look easy if they are good at their craft but they do not know everything that goes into getting to that point. I may spend ten hours on a project that someone would assume took an hour or so. With machining and welding it is often the setup that takes the most time but people only see a glimpse of the machining or welding.
Thanks for making this vid...Really impressed with your setup.
Great Video, Thanks for explaining this. I am sure many of us have struggled with this.
Just found your channel, this was a fantastic explanation of CNC set up and tooling! Thank you for sharing
Thanks so much for sharing your experience and knowledge!
Thank you so much for this video, it's very informative and gives a very good insight into what's involved in these projects - really appreciated!
A wonderful presentation sir.
Thank you for explaining the processes involved in making these.
I'm sure you don't charge customers when something goes wrong and you have to start again.
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the software,machine time designer time ,operator time,shop time ect its a lot more than just chucking a piece of material on a machine and pressing the go button.
machine,software,learningtime,designtime, NOT newer can charge to customer, no big factry can charge customer if build and use 200million $ machine. only thief and idiot charge customer you busines own investications.
Excellent video, I am relatively new to CNC wood working and I've been over these steps many times already. I come from a design production background in a relative field and the design time, computer/layout time, and analytics involved in best process equate to work and we haven't even touched the machine. As I said, excellent video, well done.
It takes hours and hours and hours on the computer before you're ready to go to the CNC for another 2 hours or so.
Thank you for sharing, enjoyed your open honest presentation...
Best wishes with future business.
KCB... UK.
Hooyah! Love the warfare devices! Cool to see two things i love come together!
I love my CAMaster. Nice job. Thanks for the video!
i was looking forward to buy one
.is it affordable ?
i was looking forward to buy one
.is it affordable ?
What program are you using for drafting and toolpath/gcode generation? I have bobcad but its hard to draft on bobcad for me because I learned to draft on SolidWorks and generate gcode on Mastercam.
Just started cnc. Loved the video, like your style, I've subbed. Thank you for your time..... more videos please!
I wente to learn sofe set and bed. How can i learn sofe set .please give me advice
I don't do this, (I wish I did), but I know that the cost of the machine is high as well. And let's not forget maintenance on them and the fact that they don't last forever. Plus your time is valuable and you've got to make s profit, otherwise what's the point? I'm impressed with what you do.
@Robert Ross That's good to know.
Quite right. Replacing bits, the occasional collet or collet nut... it all adds up
i dont agree.........CNC-machine High ZS 720 720x420x110mm, its fully out of heavy allu-profils, with german steel-track, german step-motors, its around 60 KG hvy, with CNC-Software+Hardware and Beginner-Bits with needed minimum i payed around 4000€,
i NEVER cleaned it complitly since 2014, i always oil it, and clean it without opening anything, since 2 years i run out of original oil and now i use motoroil for cars, since 2014 i only had to replace in the motor the (german: Kohlenbürsten) because 2 years ago motor stopped running.
Machine is still accurate down to 0,05mm (tested), driving same track 7 times different deepnes you see nothing of the deepnes steps..
Definitely worth watching!
Great vid and presentation.
great video + presentation + explanation! well done mate! thanks for sharing!
Great video. If you had to buy a new CNC machine today, would you change anything?
What is the name and model of the sanding wheel for your drill? I have been looking for a tool like that for a while and even went to some wood shops and ask them the closest I found with some Dremel piece of junk that cost a lot of money and it's too aggressive even on the Dremel lowest setting
did you create those files or did you find them online? i need to find them so i can make one for my collection. if you did create them, could you teach me how you did it? i have a pretty good backgroud with CNC but not so much with 3D relief or 2.5D
Great content. Thanks for the content.
You make it look effortless 👍. Nice machine, can you buy them or did you build it?
Excellent video…..can you share what kind of sander attachment you used for your clean up ?
What big brush are you using on the drill for cleanup? Cool video
Reuben hey by any chance were you in The Navy on board the Ticonderoga?
Part of me says a craftsperson should never have to justify their prices. You owe nobody an explanation for what you charge for your time, effort, education, etc. But thank you for your thorough breakdown!
When I ran cnc machines in my early 20's I was just an operator and I just made small adjustments as the inserts wore down because we had to hold medical tolerances. So when you are creating a "tool path" do you have to say G** spindle on G** rpm G** move so far then G** up across down etc???
@RB Wood Creations any chance you could do a short video on setting up the tool paths on a job like this? I struggle to grasp how you can tell it what to cut when you appear to be selecting a multi contoured face. Or is that the trick you select all the faces at once?
I might do that. Aspire is pretty user-friendly and is pretty good at keeping one from getting into trouble with toolpaths.
I am a cnc machinist full time. I also have a 4x4 cnc router. For what we charge cutting wood on a cnc router is no where where it should be. If a customer goes to a metal cutting cnc shop you can expect to pay $75-$90 per hour plus setup times. So charging lets say $50 on a project that takes maybe 3-5 hrs, the customer is getting a bargain. That same time in a metal cutting cnc shop would run upwards $450 for 4-5 hrs of machine shop time.
Charge for the product not the time.
@@chrisreynolds2410 worst advice ever. You have to pay yourself a wage
LG that’s your opinion and it’s also subjective depending on the type of tradesman….are ya a shitbum turning out shitbum products or are you the cream at the top of the crop turning out product that drops people’s jaws?
I already know the answer based on your retort to my statement.
That being said I’m pretty sure I’ve came from a lower place than you and surpassed your earnings and earning potential……that’s also why I added my positive opinion/advice trying to uplift a person rather than shit on them.
Why are you so mad?
Great video! Can you share on where you purchased the sanding mop?
Try entering 'nylon sanding brush' into www.banggood.com
Very nice! What software are you using?
Really good video man. Thank you for sharing.
Hey would you be so kind to tell me the software you are using to convert 2d in to relief models?
Hey, good job! What is your spindle RPM on a 3D task?
So how much exposure would one of those pieces cost?
This video glosses over a lot of important skills and items that go into what is being made. CNC software is not cheap, nor is it easy to learn. A cnc router operator is part crafter, part computer software artist (2D and 3D), sometimes part programmer, etc.
Bits, Feeds and Speeds too. A lot of these machines only work correctly if the operator understands what bits to use (there are many) and which speed and feed rates to set for each bit to get the best result out of them. As someone currently starting in CNC routing myself, I was surprised to find out how much I was going to have to learn in order to get my machine working optimally. These machines and tools have costs associated with them too. A single good CNC router bit can easily cost $50+ and they are consumable, meaning they have to be replaced when they dull - then there's maintenance, waste disposal... on and on.
As a lifelong learner, the biggest lesson I have learned is that if something looks "easy", it's very probably not. You are paying people for their skills, tools, knowledge and experience because you don't have them. If you don't believe me, you can find a small desktop CNC machine online for $200-300. Pick one up and give it a go. :)
What software are you using to create the reliefs?
Yes, you're right.
what is your setup program?
could you please tell me what model cnc is that
Good video. Those pieces came out nice. I agree, customers just do not understand everything that goes into making such a piece. Doing "3D" also ties up your machine for longer periods of time which means it is not running to do other quicker jobs. Remember, time is money in the equation too.
NOT sure have, if cnc make work you can do lot other work same time, not newer can charge customer you own freetime or other work time you can charge customer only how much elektric go spindle and motors this time and thats is 5-10$ big work. not more, its you own fail if broken bit or need make same again new manytime. not customer fail.
I have been doing engravings for over 20 years now. I don't know what part of the county you are in but in NYC your stuff would go for 5x as much as you have them for on your site. People just don't seem to understand, Time Is Money.
Where do you get that sanding mop?
On your timelapse, you should put a timer in the view of the camera.
amazing work man
Good video.
I think you are using Ventric Aspire for your designs but what are you using to control your CnC. I’m using Mach3
I have the same setup, Camaster Stinger I, when the machine is purchased you have two options, Mach3 or WinCNC, I opted for WinCNC, what he uses. The difference between Mach3 and WinCNC, is that Mach3 is software based controller and WinCNC has his own hardware controller, PCI card installed on your PC that connects to the machine's box. Hardware controller is more predictable which creates the step and direction signals with hardware. WinCNC costs 4 times what Mach3 setup does.
worst dangerous software, under windows not good not realtime safety and lost alltime lot steps because not have realtime machine. very dangerous, use linuxcnc have lto better safety TRUE realtime not lost lot step, no broken toolpath.
are you able to do something like a warship? I’m looking for wood carving of USS Yorktown (CG-48). I was a commissioning crewmember and wanted to get one done with the word plankowner underneath. I have a ton of fellow plankowners who would also order, but please advise how I can get pricing and what the pricebreaks would be for quantity. Thanks.
Excellent video my friend!!
Thanks for the educational video. Sounds like you have a good handle on the technology. People are funny...when I do a carving (by hand) they're like, "HOW long did that take to make?" Same thing with this technology. You don't just plop down a 12/4 plank and go to town. People.
Some do. With expected results.
Not to undercut your explanation but 10:10 The work your machine does is so awesome to see in action. None of my jobs fed into a fancy designation. Oh well
Professor Eggplant I’m a retired Navy Diver. How can I find a dive pin to try to carve? Thank you
Sir, may you tell which software you used for design????
great content. appreciate.
Thanks, I was thinking of getting into cnc, but thanks to you I decided not to. It takes much more time then I expected.
A lot of it depends on what you are planning on doing with your CNC mill. If you wanted to get into it as a hobby, there are less expensive ways of going about it, using open source software and a lot of other free/online tools.
If you were going to get into the commercial side, that's where a lot of these costs start coming into play.
This guy sucks. He's using a cnc machine to do easy work, and he's charging for hand carved work because it's a "complicated process." Get into cnc man, don't let this discourage you. Cnc was invented literally to make machining easy and cheap. If you have a computer, an arduino, and a couple old cd drives you can build a cnc mill YOURSELF in a day.
Mellonoma The Great lol, your an idiot
Would you please share a link to the sanding item you have chucked up on your drill? thanks
Can these be cut in negative to make a mould?
Just a question - would doing a 3d (or 2.5d) scan using LiDAR to produce the model be better, easier and produce an overall improved model?
LiDAR is only good (in 2020) at room scale modeling. There is photography based tech at the desktop level, or better but you still need a perfect model. Which solves the 20% at the cost of 30%.
I just bought a shark hd5 extended with the all the way to aspire software and having a blast. I'm making a 11 by 13 inch oak portrait with a nice frame around it this also cnc'd with my daughter holding my first granddaughter. For the finish I used to 16th ball nose and did the entire workpiece. The finish pass ran for 16 hours. If someone could post a tool diameter with cutting speed as a cheat sheet which would be really nice. I did the ruffing at a 50 per inch and finishing at a 30 per inch. The finished product looks absolutely awesome but I need to utilize time better.
So you make a photo into the carving?
Excellent video! Bravo.....
Well done!
Well explained
Hey Reuben at 16:20 you point out that your spoilboard may have leveling issues as some areas did not cut all the way through to the point they can be seen visually... I am pretty new to CNC and I am curious if fixing that issue is as simple as resurfacing the spoilboard?
Yup, that would do it... it had been a while since I resurfaced it... I live in Georgia, so temp and humidity changes daily. MDF loves that lol.
You should see hand log caving, they do 7m log in full detail by hand just amazing .
and it takes 6-8 months to make
@@walterhynson2898 So like 50 bucks, right? ^_~
What species of wood did you use for this project?
I was actually more interested on watching that machine work than seeing you changing the router bit
I've been looking into getting a CNC wood carving set up is there a huge learning curve with the one you own ? also how much could I expect to pay for something similar to what you're using thank you
Did you get one?
First of all, thank you for sharing all that info; most people wouldn't take the time to do it. My question is (and this is from somebody that has no clue on CNC work, I just love the art): Why do you start out with such a thick piece of wood if the first pass is going to dig in so deep into it to get to the working depth? My thinking is you can probably save some money on thinner pieces of wood. Great video, thumbs up!!!
The thicker the piece of wood, the more depth/ dimension you can achieve.. A thin piece of wood compared to a thicker piece, as far as the end product goes, isn't really a desirable look.. You are extremely limited to what depth /dimension you can achieve.. The end result will look flat.. You would be better off painting something or wood burning something on a thin piece of wood over carving it. I have a video on my channel showing a high relief carving.. It may give you a bit more of a Idea as to what I'm saying...
I do rotary carving or power carving. Not cnc..
do you do the dishes and vacuum while that is printing carving machine the wood
are you at all concerned that the sanding mop will break/sand too much?
Great video. Can you please post a link to the sanding adapter you used on you drill? Thank you
I as well would like to know which sanding mop you used, please.
Im just here for the standing mop
*sanding
I don’t believe he’s going to share the info. Business secret
Which tool use replie please
Great video of explanations!
My only question was I couldn’t quite catch what that drill attachment was?
It's a sanding mop.
What software are you using
Great Video and explanation
Where did you find that monitor/keyboard stand?
it was a desk-mount swivel arm that I modified slightly and attached it to the bottom shelf of my cnc stand... swings in and folds up nicely when not in use.
Not being familiar with the process, presuming the software determines the pass by the tool selected? Having to create models for each pass would be considerable effort and didn't see mention of that.
What's the software you're using
That is an interesting monitor that you are designing on. Tell me about it please?
Don't forget machinery cost, overhead. Broken tools. Screw ups. Not to mention. You seem pretty versatile to me with your programing. Most people aren't. It would take then hours just programming. I've been using cnc's for about 8 years. Always learning. Never a dull moment. Cnc costs run around 150$ per hour including the salary of the person programming and preping and all other costs associated. Based on the time and material. I wouldn't sell each item less then 150$. So that's a 600$project if I had to do it. Unfortunately you didn't mention your selling cost. Great video.
Nice vid!
Why so expensive? So I can buy that automatic tool changer that I do not have yet...;P
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Awesome! You live right down the street from me.
My wife and I get our cnc machine tomorrow so I can make better soap cutters (and she can do her stuff) along with the soap I make.
I wouldn't mind learning more. I'll have to subscribe just cause we are neighbors. That alone deserves a sub.
Hello from Martinez.
Nice let me know if u need any help!
Well said man
every time you change Gcode it's better to prepare equal boards. Possibly cut one and move only the positions in the machine without changing Gcode. Use a small milling cutter to set the milling of only the object element, not all of it, and preferably to generate a path, for example, around letters.
do you sell the STL of this work?
Hello from Joe,I am a fellow CNC wood worker and I am starting a small business myself associated with the services. Where did you purchase the files or if I can purchase the files from you of the warfare devices and stuff?
Some files I design myself, other's I get from reputable model designers. Good places to look for military-type models are: www.designandmake.com and www.cncmilitaryemblems.com
Do you 3D model in aspire or do you use another software like blender or maya?
I use aspire. I wish I had the time to learn other modeling software!
@@rbwoodcreations1039 I started with SketchUp, then moved to Fusion 360. Once you model parametrically, it's hard to go backward. My new thing is OnShape; created by the founder of SolidWorks, it's full parametric CAD in the cloud. No local software. No version control nightmares. Never any lost work as it automatically saves as you go. True real-time collaboration, too. Fusion 360 is CAD+CAM. OnShape is CAD-only, so Kiri:Moto completes the CAM portion of the workflow. Really great stuff.
John Coloe Hi, I recently started learning Fusion 360 but never tried onShape. Would you rather recommend learning onShape or fusion ? Is there any benefit to using both ?
I wish sketchup was bit less or had few more features, it my favourite 3D designing thing as faster but need other design software for these machines to run, wondering if possible to control cnc by cura or fusion360 as still 3 axis like printer
Great video on this project, a lot of good useful information! Noticing your files in this one are Navy insignia. Were you in? I own a small CNC in the pangs of birth of a nicer small desktop machine. I'd love to share some knowledge about carving this type of stuff and just where you source your designs! I'd love to make a few of these bad boys for some shipmates, both afloat and retired!
aaaaaand crickets.
Give him a minute no need to rush into anything
Great Video! It should answer the questions to other people. I like your monitor!! how big is that?
34" ultra wide. Makes having 2 windows open side by side a dream!
You can buy usb adapters to plug monitors into now. Put 3 monitors side by side. I haven't used them because my video card supports 3 monitors.
@@rbwoodcreations1039 Can you tell me what model, and what resolution you have it at? Thanks.
It's an ASUS PG348Q with resolution at 3440 x 1440. It's a bit pricey for monitors, but I bought it during a holiday sale and got it for $300 less than usual price.
The largest 2.5D I've ever done on my Shopbot was a double sided 48x96 sign. It took nearly 2 days to cut. I know your pain of customers not understanding what all the work that goes into carving. And 2.5D is still 3 axis, not two. If you're using Aspire then you can do double sided and achieve almost 3d and with a rotary axis even closer to true 3D. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I'll probably be pointing some customers to it!
Curious to know how much you sold your project.
Actually that wasn't the largest sign I made, it was a 36" x 144" double sided. It went for 4K and the 4'x8' was an airbrush painted landscape carving and was 6K out the door.
Thanks for the info.
Did you have to join multiple pieces of wood to make a 48"x96" board?
The substrate was made from 2x4 cedar with the rounded edges cut off on the radial arm saw, then stacked together to forn the 4x8.
Let's not even talk about trying to recoup the cost of the machine or the hours of learning software both for design and to operate the machine or the amount of rent you are paying for the garage portion of the house. Just figuring what the piece of wood cost, stain, sealer, sandpaper, electricity, wear and tear of the machine, replacing worn bits, etc. with the prices on your Etsy store, you are almost giving them away at your cost. I bet you are lucky to make $10 an hour on them and if you break a bit or have a board that doesn't turn out you are paying people to buy them.
Nice work and nice video. I think that you should recalculate your prices. I stay away from 3d stuff because it is just too difficult to make any money with it.
Show of work...parabéns amigo
I used to program the earlier type c n c. by the plus 10 left10 etc everything has to be workout in my case I done it in my head or on a sheet of paper I only guess the process is not the same
The clever ppl of us would have written programs todo that. Its like adding by hand what you do, there is nothing more prone to errors. EDIT: It is not prone to errors because it is difficult, no its the easiest math op ever, but its a boring repetitive work humans are very bad in doing without making financially devastating errors.
Who makes the sanding mop you used in this video?
Most hardware stores have them. I found some I think in the Marine section or paint. It's not actually sand paper I'm talking of but a semisoft plastic Bristol brush
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07P1TGXB6/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&th=1 that should be a link to those sanding wheels. They go from 80 grit up.
the machine is awesome
What software are you using please?
Vectric Aspire
I have the luxury of a 10 pocket tool changer and a very dependable Fanac controller where I have run up to 24h unattended paths on the weekend.
People still want to screw you down on price.
You saint got no ..... FANAC ....... running nothing unattended. Do you even know what FANUC is ? F A N U C
Could u please list a link for the bush u using on the drill ? I would appreciate it
Dan Namo Yes I will also like to know
PissTest I bought some bristles different grids from amazon, I havnt got it yet , but I’ll check it out see how it is and I’ll let u know brother
Dan Namo thank you
One of those as like a stamp would be cool to signoff letters andn whatnot